Toju200:
well first the pics is just an illustration I don't think UN Humanitarian service Operate Mil17 in Nigeria only Bell 412 I know secondly it didn't crash it safely returned back to The airstrip...

Whyem15:
[/b]Many of us here have noted the disparities between the numbers of terrorists killed and number of weapons recovered,well I recently read a comment from a COIN expert (David Otto Endely) that the idea of the super camps have greatly limited their access to arms and ammunition. We all remember how they used to overrun FOBs with superior numbers and firepower and leave with large caches of weapons. There are rarely small formations of troops for them to overrun and collect weapons from so they've resorted into giving one riffle to about 5 terrorists to share, when one dies, another picks the riffle up and so on

FieldMarshall06:


Sometimes, we should understand that people in government know better and have more info/advise than we ever will.

I support the retention of the Service Chiefs because the immediate past provides evidence against sacking wartime chiefs.

The greatest error of Goodluck Jonathan was removing Gen. Ihejirika..... and this is a fact. Ihehirika pummelled boko haram so badly that northerners were shouting. Under him, boko haram remained caged and they stood no chance. This fact is well known in the army.

Immediately Gen. Ihehirika was removed and replaced with Gen. Minimah,,,, and ACM Alex Badeh replaced Adm. Ola Ibrahim as CDS, the war went down... and spiralled out of control that boko haram started holding territories,,,, and soldiers started fleeing ..... something that never happened under Ihejirika.

When you sack Gen. Buratai and AVM Sadiq Abubakar,,, the new service chiefs would need at least 3 months to set-up and consolidate their machinery.... that is 3months of refresh for boko haram,,, as happened with Gen. Minimah. And we take the war back to square 2.

Please understand that govt is govt and they know more than you ever will ....

Please, changing service chiefs now does not help you. It does not affect you.... Nigeria needs them to remain there for now...President Buhari is not stupid

SamuelAnyawu:


It only had bullet holes and safely got back to Maiduguri. Luckily it was just the crewmen going to Damasak for pickups. Tho they have cancelled all flights for next week. More relaxation in Maiduguri

BabaOwen:
Nah wah o. See wetin punch dey talk for here
The Punch newspaper report says that two person were killed, including a 5yrs old boy

https://punchng.com/boko-haram-attacks-un-helicopter-kills-two/

Toju200:
dat one na still prototype na.
At least it has GPMG.

joshingjosh:
Happy Sunday All

This is a battle field discussion thread....I will like anybody that has an opinion to comment on this my question.

Why do Boko Haram overrun some(remember I said some) Military bases??(some of the bases have enough men to secure them)

1) Is it because of Lack of Ammunitions and Equipment:(Remember after successfully overruning the base, the loot weapons and Ammunitions.)

2)Is it because of Lack of Confidence??(Most times we hear of soldiers Neutralizing these attacks).

3) Is it based on their training?? (Somebody once said here that Depot graduates 4000+ recuits at once. Is it that during training their are not taught how to coordinate and return effective fire during attacks??

Gentlemen let us debate

ugo4u:


1) Most atimes it is as a result of poor situational awareness, Boko guys will collect intels on the numerical strength of our troops and triple that number with high volume fire using unconventional weapons such as AA, SVBIED, RPGs etc. The said base maybe in an isolated area with weak defensive setup so it will be easier for Boko to engage them for hours since they know backup either from other land forces or the NAF won't come ontime to rescue the situation.
2) It's not necessarily because of that most atimes it could be as a result of faulty equipments such as unserviceable vehicles, tanks etc that will enable them do their job effortlessly and as a soldier if your equipment fails you the only option is to japaa( tactical retreat) so that you will live to fight another day.
3) No matter how poorly trained we feel recruits are, they are better trained than the Insurgents, sometimes the media blow some of these attacks out of proportion and also the military have done a shoddy job the other part of the war which is Media propaganda. I don't think Bokoharam fighters are trained for more than 3 weeks after which they are shipped like zombies to fight. If you even see some of the videos of their attacks the way they move and fire their weapons if you're a trained eye you will notice that they lack coordination or discipline, they take advantage of numbers, ambushes and suicide attacks to win battles.

joshingjosh:
Happy Sunday All

This is a battle field discussion thread....I will like anybody that has an opinion to comment on this my question.

Why do Boko Haram overrun some(remember I said some) Military bases??(some of the bases have enough men to secure them)

1) Is it because of Lack of Ammunitions and Equipment:(Remember after successfully overruning the base, the loot weapons and Ammunitions.)

2)Is it because of Lack of Confidence??(Most times we hear of soldiers Neutralizing these attacks).

3) Is it based on their training?? (Somebody once said here that Depot graduates 4000+ recuits at once. Is it that during training their are not taught how to coordinate and return effective fire during attacks??

Gentlemen let us debate

youghs:


It couldn't have been said any better.. Spot on

ugo4u:


1) Most atimes it is as a result of poor situational awareness, Boko guys will collect intels on the numerical strength of our troops, equipments etc and triple that number with high volume fire using unconventional weapons such as AA, SVBIED, RPGs etc and all other weapons that goes against Geneva convention. Again the said base may be in an isolated area with weak defensive setup so atimes it is easier for Boko to engage them for hours since they know backup either from other land forces or the NAF won't come ontime to rescue the situation. This is one of the reasons army super camp was setup and so far it has being a success because many soldiers were pulled out from their outposts to fortify bases but not w/o disadvantage as it has given BH leeway to operate freely in ungoverned areas.
2) It's not necessarily because of that most atimes it could be as a result of faulty equipments such as unserviceable vehicles, tanks etc that will enable them do their job effortlessly and as a soldier if your equipment fails you the only option is to japaa( tactical retreat) so that you will live to fight another day.
3) No matter how poorly trained we feel recruits are, they are better trained than the Insurgents, sometimes the media blow some of these attacks out of proportion and also the military have done a shoddy job in the other part of the war which is Media propaganda. I don't think Bokoharam fighters are trained for more than 3 weeks after which they are shipped like zombies to fight. If you even see some of the videos of their attacks the way they move and fire their weapons if you're a trained eye you will notice that they lack coordination or discipline, they take advantage of numbers, ambushes and suicide attacks to win battles collateral damage isn't their business.

lebuhsi:

(*4) - I don't think it's quite fair for you to say the cadets are poorly trained, the 6months they spend at jaji can only be describe as an initio training, along their carriers, they partake in various courses depending on their units

E.g the amphibious train school(ATS), in calabar
It runs courses for amphibious units right after they are posted, I.e calabar
There's the boat course I through 3, and a vast arrray of other courses, before you are promoted there are cateria to be met, one among others is to complete this various courses

Again, before been deployed to the N.E, there are sent to jaji 3 month before hand for Specialized CT/CION training, they work with BMATT and other partners

SamuelAnyawu:


1) Ammunition might not fully be a factor only. As most Bokoharam attacks on Military base are with Toyota Guntrucks.

2) Our Soldiers morale are kinda low bro. Some already got the feeling that this war is politicised and corruption by top heads of which they are not ready to pay the supreme. Sometimes Bokoharam attacks a base with fewer Guntrucks that what the military base has in it's stock.

3) The Psyche of our Government/Top Military needs to change. We are giving the Bastards so much room by not taking the war to their households. We cannot defeat these bastards by Repelling only. "Haba an Nnamdi with an AK 47 comes to my house and we engage each other in a shootout, next week Nnamdi comes and we engage in a shootout , Next month Nnamdi visits again and we engage in a shootout. I no need brain to tell me say I suppose go search for Nnamdi on the streets to fall am na because if I keep on waiting for Nnamdi's visit soon I'll be scared of watching the English premier league in my sitting Room with my back on my window.

Repelling has now become a sign of Victory on how to end this Insurgency war by our leaders .... like WTF?


4) Too many stories on how the top Military diverts funds meant for fallen heroes and how they are so quick to chase the families of fallen heroes out of the barracks without their entitlements. Go and see most hotels now being builts in Kaduna and even Abuja by Military heads. The worst is those soldiers Missing in Action. Voicemail things.

We need to take this war to these Blood savage thirsty Terrorists and send them to judgement ASAP.

joshingjosh:
Happy Sunday All

This is a battle field discussion thread....I will like anybody that has an opinion to comment on this my question.

Why do Boko Haram overrun some(remember I said some) Military bases??(some of the bases have enough men to secure them)

1) Is it because of Lack of Ammunitions and Equipment:(Remember after successfully overruning the base, the loot weapons and Ammunitions.)

2)Is it because of Lack of Confidence??(Most times we hear of soldiers Neutralizing these attacks).

3) Is it based on their training?? (Somebody once said here that Depot graduates 4000+ recuits at once. Is it that during training their are not taught how to coordinate and return effective fire during attacks??

Gentlemen let us debate

komekn:


First of all to make a deduction on quality there has to be a comparison index with key performance indicators for that measurement to be objective and not emotive sentiment based.

When l look at the gross crazy indiscipline and many a time consistent deranged behaviour.

Where is the co-relationship concept of " Gentleman and a officer " most of our combatants behaviour is like wild dogs and civilian are thier target practice. That's an outcome deliver of our training, this a hard bitter TRUTH that many will not find palatable.

In most ended you have the physical training and methodology that can all be totally negated ny mentality and prevalent behaviour that creates the overriding organisational culture.

I have considerable association with Nigerian, Turkish, British, German and US combatants. So l inadvertently make comparison.

komekn:


Are we ready for that debate are we ready to face hard truths.

We have two main camps here.

The first one is the Nigerian armed forces can do no wring and any criticism is an act of subversion and treason group .

The second is the knowledge based group mostly objective but still critical.

komekn:


Are we ready for that debate are we ready to face hard truths.

We have two main camps here.

The first one is the Nigerian armed forces can do no wring and any criticism is an act of subversion and treason group .

The second is the knowledge based group mostly objective but still critical.

komekn:


Are we ready for that debate are we ready to face hard truths.

We have two main camps here.

The first one is the Nigerian armed forces can do no wring and any criticism is an act of subversion and treason group .

The second is the knowledge based group mostly objective but still critical.

lebuhsi:


The perception that civilians are to be treated as 2nd class citizens haven't helped either, I lot of my peers have joined various branches of the Nigerian military and i unequivocally tell you their attitude towards other citizens are very 'civil'...

The pre 90's generation had and still have a certain perspective of how things should be, been born and brought up in a very militarized era, you can't really blame them, things are changing for the better as it concerns civil-military relations, you can see the efforts of the military to work with local populations in front line areas, the process been made by NAF and NN, the NA is late to the party, but it is improving albeit slowly

the bolded is a key factor as to why the Armed forces lack that civilian care, support and love.

The airforce and navy are doing a pretty decent job in terms of reconstructing this broken relationship.

But the army I think would need a complete overhaul.
You can't win a war without the civil support.

Toju200:
COUNTER-INSURGENCY: CAS COMMENDS AIR TASK FORCE, CHARGES THEM TO INTENSIFY OPERATIONS FOR TOTAL DEFEAT OF INSURGENTS

The Chief of the Air Staff (CAS), Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, has commended the Air Task Force (ATF) of Operation LAFIYA DOLE (OPLD) for the successes recorded in its renewed offensive against Boko Haram Terrorists (BHT)/Islamic State of West Africa Province (ISWAP) elements in the North East of the Country under subsidiary Operations LONG REACH I and II, stating that he was pleased with the progress made so far. He however urged the ATF to sustain the onslaught in order to ensure total defeat of the terrorists. The CAS disclosed this today, 4 July 2020, while addressing personnel of the ATF at the end of his 3-day operational visit to Maiduguri to assess the conduct of the Counter-Insurgency Operation.

Speaking further, Air Marshal Abubakar, while conveying the appreciation of the entire NAF family to the ATF for its relentless efforts in the fight against insurgency, remarked that Operations LONG REACH I and II had been very fruitful in further destabilizing the BHTs’ new leadership and curtailing their freedom of action within the Theatre. He noted that this was the hallmark of successful air interdiction missions - “to destroy the enemies’ eggs in their nests before they can be brought to bear against friendly forces or innocent civilians”. According to him, “we are satisfied, we are very excited that you are making substantial progress in ensuring that the Boko Haram Terrorists are eliminated in the North East, so that our people can go back to their farms and live their normal lives”.

The CAS highlighted that the NAF’s ability to operate simultaneously in multiple Theatres of Operation, including the North East, North West and North Central, amongst others, were only made possible because of the Federal Government’s support to the Service, which had enabled it to acquire 22 brand new aircraft. He noted that this capability would be further boosted when the 16 other aircraft being expected; 12 Super Tucano attack aircraft, 3 JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighter jets and an additional Mi-171E helicopter; are delivered. He disclosed that selected air and ground crews for the JF-17 Thunder had already started their training in Pakistan, while those nominated for the Super Tucano would soon commence their training. Air Marshal Abubakar equally revealed that the NAF’s operational capability had also been enhanced because it had been able to reactivate about 25 erstwhile grounded aircraft within the past 5 years. He highlighted that one of these was the ATR-42 Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) aircraft (NAF 930), which had just returned to Nigeria after completing Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM) in Germany. He added that the aircraft would soon be redeployed to the North East to further enhance the ATF’s intelligence gathering capabilities.

Air Marshal Abubakar therefore expressed appreciation to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, President Muhammadu Buhari, as well as the National Assembly for their support to the NAF towards meeting its air power goals. He equally thanked the Governments and people of the frontline States of Borno, Yobe and Adamawa for their continued support to the Service. Air Marshal Abubakar also specially commended the ATF Commander, Air Commodore Precious Amadi, as well as his officers, airmen and airwomen for their hard work and dedication to duty which, he said, was evident in the intensive rate of effort, with missions being conducted day and night to attack terrorists’ targets as well as provide support to ground troops, whenever required. He emphasized that the existing synergy with the Nigerian Army and other security agencies must be strengthened to ensure total victory. He said the NAF Headquarters (HQ), on its part, would continue to provide the necessary support so that platforms are available, logistics requirements are promptly provided, personnel are adequately trained and personnel’s welfare needs are properly addressed to enable them execute their constitutionally assigned tasks more effectively and efficiently.

Before departing Maiduguri, the CAS, who was accompanied on the visit by the Chief of Training and Operations, Air Vice Marshal (AVM) James Gwani; Chief of Aircraft Engineering, AVM Musibau Olatunji; Chief of Logistics, AVM Mohammed Yakubu; as well as Directors from HQ NAF, took time to individually interact with the crews of all the NAF platforms deployed to the OPLD Theatre, including the Super Puma and Mi-35M Helicopter fleets; Alpha Jets and L-39ZA Jets; CH-3A Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) as well as the Beechcraft King Air and ATR-42 ISR aircraft crew members, where he again commended them for their consistent crucial roles in the fight against insurgency. He urged them to sustain the tempo of operations whilst continuing to display professionalism in the performance of their duties.

It would be recalled that the ATF of Operation LAFIYA DOLE conducted subsidiary Operation LONG REACH I from 16 - 27 June 2020 and commenced the currently ongoing Operation LONG REACH II on 2 July 2020.

IBIKUNLE DARAMOLA
Air Commodore
Director of Public Relations and Information
Nigerian Air Force
4 July 2020

komekn:


Are we ready for that debate are we ready to face hard truths.

We have two main camps here.

The first one is the Nigerian armed forces can do no wring and any criticism is an act of subversion and treason group .[/b]

The second is the knowledge based group mostly objective but still critical.
[b]

Texman21:
waiting for you to highlight your last paragraph.