Toju200:
if Apache ,chinnok ,tiger, black hawk,MD500 mirage 2000, Rafael fighter jets and helicopters can't handle terrorist in mali.then what what will u say about it....Do u think it is all the platform in the NAF that is based in maiduguri....you were emphasising on our MI35 being shot down or crashed.what of in Syria when Russian sukhoi 34 was shot down by ISIS the almighty sukhoi..... If u say that the MI35 was shot down it might be true cos the battle was intense and it was pretty dangerous for the NAF to get that close to provide airsupport....You saying we don't have an airforce is a complete lack of understanding, We operate very advance ISR systems and even make use of Geospatial platform,something very rare in black Africa never compare us to other Africa airforce.....The tucano also will survive in a contested airspace if u say no what then is the use of it's air to air capability and also Early warning systems,chaff and flares and high maneuverbility....why would the US acquire tucano when they have the A10 and F35,F16 even Africa Superior airforce uses a less better Aircraft than the tucano (Egypt uses the air tractor)

pls fanboy which Su -34 was shot down by Isis? And pls how old are you.

Toju200:
so u think fighting terrorism is that easy eeh....Now tell me which nation on Earth fought terrorism single handedly without the foreign deployment of troops for combat assistance until they were downgrade to hit and run "Goats" eeh.Terrorism in Syria and Iraq where fought with the help of NATO(that's the combination of super powers) in Somalia with the help of Kenya Burundi Uganda e.t.c in Mali it's like the whole world is there france, Germany,China, Egypt, Netherlands,canada,Chad,senegal, Australia e.t.c in Cameroon France... In Niger France and US in Chad France and US..we only get training assistance from foreign countries...u may say what of the MNJTF yes because all are experiencing the same problem...Nigeria fought BHT till they moved to lake Chad region.. 2016 /2017 was hell for BHT NAF rained down fire and brimstone with the#Punny Aircrafts we have.......

fan boy pls since when did Russia, Iran ,Hezbollah became NATO?

You guys are forgetting the most important tool against this problem which is intelligence gathering. As long as the dss simply continue their misplaced priorities and the nia and dni are sleeping, this problem isn't going to stop. We need to start gathering intelligence on the government itself. They have proved to be untrustworthy.

I don't understand why the Nigerian army havent placed an emphasis on border security and surveillance. You guys praising that super tucano don't know shit. We need aircraft purpose built for air support.

A10 warthog with its insane 30mm gau-8 avenger machine gun

Ah-64 and super hind attack helicopters

Fully armed Predator drones for 24/7 area monitoring, intelligence gathering and strike capabilities when the need arises

We need to upgrade our soldiers equipment. I rarely see these guys with manpads. And long range sniper rifles. Those would be effective against the terrorists and the soldiers would be able to hit them before they get dangerously close.

you'd be expecting to read something mind blowing and someone is in awe of just a 30mm air gun

This thread!

phazotron:
surveillance. You guys praising that super tucano don't know shit. We need aircraft purpose built for air support.

A10 warthog with its insane 30mm gau-8 avenger machine gun

Ah-64 and super hind attack helicopters

.

So the Tucano that's sold with the poster "COIN aircraft" suddenly becomes unsuited for it by phazotron?
They don't know shit but they know the Tucano;
1) has a higher on-station time than any Attack Helicopter. Which is very useful in a situation where even after the Aircraft expends it's ordinance can still serve as eye-in-the-sky
2) has lower flying cost
3) Lesser Turnaround time
Etc.

Now any 10mins Google analyst will know that the two CAS specialists ahead the Tucano; A10 & Su25 are beyond reach. So truly, you know shyt,cause u just posted it.

giles14:
pls fanboy which Su -34 was shot down by Isis? And pls how old are you.

Sukhoi-25
A Russian Sukhoi-25 ground-attack aircraft has been shot down in a rebel-held area in Syria's north-western province of Idlib.

The Russian defence ministry said the pilot had ejected into an area believed to be controlled by the jihadist Hayat Tahrir al-Sham alliance.

Although he survived the crash he was killed in a ground fight, Moscow said.

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham - formerly linked to al-Qaeda - said it had shot down the plane.

The Syrian government, backed by Russian air power, launched a major offensive in December against rebel groups in Idlib.probably not a su34

#COIN
#THROW BACK
#FALL OF CAMP ZAIRO

A-29 is purpose built for close air support in low threat environment. If BHTs had the technology to bring it down, then our MI35m helicopters won't be carrying out sorties in the Northeast because they actually fly slower and certainly lower than the A-29.

The Afghans have been using this same platform against Taliban and ISIS for almost three years yet they haven't lost a single one against enemy fire. And Taliban is surely more deadlier and more sophisticated than BHTs.

USA is also considering fielding same platform.

The Super Tucano has been proven beyond reasonable doubts to be exactly what we currently need. All emotionally-bore criticism is unwarranted and pointless. This is s done deal, if you wail from now till next year nothing would change, so move on.

phazotron:
You guys are forgetting the most important tool against this problem which is intelligence gathering. As long as the dss simply continue their misplaced priorities and the nia and dni are sleeping, this problem isn't going to stop. We need to start gathering intelligence on the government itself. They have proved to be untrustworthy.

I don't understand why the Nigerian army havent placed an emphasis on border security and surveillance. You guys praising that super tucano don't know shit. We need aircraft purpose built for air support.

A10 warthog with its insane 30mm gau-8 avenger machine gun

Ah-64 and super hind attack helicopters

Fully armed Predator drones for 24/7 area monitoring, intelligence gathering and strike capabilities when the need arises

We need to upgrade our soldiers equipment. I rarely see these guys with manpads. And long range sniper rifles. Those would be effective against the terrorists and the soldiers would be able to hit them before they get dangerously close.

Odunayaw:
you'd be expecting to read something mind blowing and someone is in awe of just a 30mm air gun

This thread!

You will marvel at the level of ignorance that is slowly creeping into this thread.
These are comments you would expect to find in any defence related post that mistakenly reach the front page.

giles14:
fan boy pls since when did Russia, Iran ,Hezbollah became NATO?

Mr Man when did I mention Russia, IRAN and #Hezbolla as among NATO Iran didn't even contribute to the fight against terrorist in Syria while Hezbollah is another demonic group from Lebanon..... So read well before writing

bidexiii:


You don fall my hand; ... later you will be abusing our politicians and top military brass that they're corrupt, when you do not trust yourself.
Any way's it's not ur fault, an average Nigerian is born corrupt.

so seeing money on the floor is also stealing
If I see such a money on the floor, I might not return it.

SLBMS:


The JF-17 might not arrive until 2025. The Super Tucson 2022. These aircrafts are being built from scratch so we are at the mercy of the manufacturers. If the four new Mi-35 helicopters one has been shot down already.
The whole country is on fire because the Air Force is stretched too thin to checkmate these flashpoints of violence. The Army is supposed to have a dedicated Aviation Corp.. we've heard nothing about it . Meanwhile the COAS is still commissioning building projects.

There was a time the Nigerian army trained some officers and even gave them wing, what aircraft do they fly now?

Toju200:
don't mind them bidexiii those keyboard warriors don't know what they are saying (NAF is a laughing stock yet Top military powers wants to partner with NAF because they admire our mode of ops and the gaint strides we made) One stupid person here is telling me that Nigeria has the least protected airspace 157 years of Liberia independence how far have they gone better than us?

see insult

Have you been to Liberia before? That country is a very poor country, Nigeria would be as worst as Liberia if not for oil.

SLBMS:


Your inability to understand what contested or well defended airspace means proves you are the ignorant one. The Super Tucano is too slow and light skinned to survive enemy fire. This was the exact reason the USAF dropped its earlier plans to acquire A-29s as a low cost measure. The risk to the pilots life was just not worth it.

You keep talking about COIN assets and it appears you never learn from history. If 13 Alpha jets and 8 F-7Ni and a complement of L-39s backed by Mi-35 helicopter gunships cannot prevail agaibst Boko Haram that has no credible air defence capabilities, and deny them the ability to operate with impunity, then we have no business having an Air Force.

Smart bombs like JDAMS and guided munitions are useful against fixed high value targets. You gonna expend munitions that cost $50,000 apiece on Boko Haram fighter or Toyota Hillux truck?

Shoulder fired MANPADS will make mince meat of this aircraft. It's too slow, it's service ceiling is too low to avoid anti-aircraft fire. It has no ejector seats. Missions like this is what helicopter gunships and used for. The have the armour and versatility and is cost effective.

What happens if we find ourselves in a situation in which we are forced to defend our airspace or critical infrastructure against air attack? We start shopping for combat aircraft? $650 million will transform the NAF into a 21st century fighting force. By the time the Tucano arrive Boko Harams complement of SAMS would have increased significantly.

All the countries in the world operating Super Tucano have at least an air force with significant air capability. They have fighter jets in numbers that makes strategic sense the TUCANO is used only for complementary and specialized missions.

Nigeria has no airforce. Ten jet trainers and F-7 does not constitute an airforce. Against a near peer adversary the Nigerian airforce will be wiped out within minutes in a suprise attack on the ground.

If the planes manage to take to the sky they will be shot down with little effort. The Super Tucano doe not constitute an air defence or strike asset. We are not getting the bang for the money spent on that propeller driven aircraft. It's a pointless acquisition and won't even arrive until 2022 or 2025. By that time the Nigerian airforce may have ceased to exist.

forget it Liberia that has been existing for more than 100 years can't defeat Nigeria
A lot of Nigerians just funny, out of all the serious country for Africa, nah Liberia person fit use compare Nigeria
Benin and Togo military is even far better than that of Liberia.

Toju200:
if Apache ,chinnok ,tiger, black hawk,MD500 mirage 2000, Rafael fighter jets and helicopters can't handle terrorist in mali.then what what will u say about it....Do u think it is all the platform in the NAF that is based in maiduguri....you were emphasising on our MI35 being shot down or crashed.what of in Syria when Russian sukhoi 34 was shot down by ISIS the almighty sukhoi.....

@ the bolded

Where did you get this nonsense from please

I don't think you know anything about the SU34, ISIS does not have any capability of taken down a SU34 even Nigeria can't take down a SU34, just a squadron will tear apart all the military base in Nigeria. I don't think you know what you're talking about sha.

This guy is not a serious person

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5icum4sgxs


Action starts at 7.07

credit US Military News

What if we have defeat boko haram by first quarter of 2020, what will use the tucanos to fight again maybe IMN terrorist group

BabaOwen:
so seeing money on the floor is also stealing
If I see such a money on the floor, I might not return it.

You know fear God .....

Xbee007:
A-29 is purpose built for close air support in low threat environment. If BHTs had the technology to bring it down, then our MI35m helicopters won't be carrying out sorties in the Northeast because they actually fly slower and certainly lower than the A-29.

The Afghans have been using this same platform against Taliban and ISIS for almost three years yet they haven't lost a single one against enemy fire. And Taliban is surely more deadlier and more sophisticated than BHTs.

USA is also considering fielding same platform.

The Super Tucano has been proven beyond reasonable doubts to be exactly what we currently need. All emotionally-bore criticism is unwarranted and pointless. This is s done deal, if you wail from now till next year nothing would change, so move on.

God bless you for the bold part of your comments.

SLBMS:


All this is useless. Will the GBU missile with laser range finder pick up a 5"11 man with a Strela 3 MANPAD waiting ? Can the Super Tucano outclimb or outrun a missile traveling at mach 2 or hyper velocity 33mmm radar guided cannon Boko Haram now wields in abundance. Its slower than the Alpha jet with a much lower service ceiling. How many of these smart weapons are we getting? How much do they cost? What qill they be used against? Toyota pick up trucks? $55,000 per missile.

Terrorist won't even see the tucano coming because of it's ability to fire it's missiles at long range,secondly tucano has countermeasures and Early warning systems... Tucano has the ability to acquire it's Target at long range

BabaOwen:
@ the bolded

Where did you get this nonsense from please

I don't think you know anything about the SU34, ISIS does not have any capability of taken down a SU34 even Nigeria can't take down a SU34, just a squadron will tear apart all the military base in Nigeria. I don't think you know what you're talking about sha.

This guy is not a serious person

it was an error I was talking about the su 25......(Sukhoi-25
A Russian Sukhoi-25 ground-attack aircraft has been shot down in a rebel-held area in Syria's north-western province of Idlib.

The Russian defence ministry said the pilot had ejected into an area believed to be controlled by the jihadist Hayat Tahrir al-Sham alliance.

Although he survived the crash he was killed in a ground fight, Moscow said.

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham - formerly linked to al-Qaeda - said it had shot down the plane.

The Syrian government, backed by Russian air power, launched a major offensive in December against rebel groups in Idlib.)

Toju200:
Mr Man when did I mention Russia, IRAN and #Hezbolla as among NATO Iran didn't even contribute to the fight against terrorist in Syria while Hezbollah is another demonic group from Lebanon..... So read well before writing

this is my first time of hearing this.

Pls can you post links to back this your NATO claims.

Hope you are not thinking Libya is Syria?

Toju200:
Sukhoi-25
A Russian Sukhoi-25 ground-attack aircraft has been shot down in a rebel-held area in Syria's north-western province of Idlib.

The Russian defence ministry said the pilot had ejected into an area believed to be controlled by the jihadist Hayat Tahrir al-Sham alliance.

Although he survived the crash he was killed in a ground fight, Moscow said.

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham - formerly linked to al-Qaeda - said it had shot down the plane.

The Syrian government, backed by Russian air power, launched a major offensive in December against rebel groups in Idlib.probably not a su34

pls link of the Isis report on shooting down the Su25.

Pls am waiting.

Toju200:
Terrorist won't even see the tucano coming because of it's ability to fire it's missiles at long range,secondly tucano has countermeasures and Early warning systems... Tucano has the ability to acquire it's Target at long range

oga bidexii pls warn this guy.

What is this tomorrow he may even declare A-29 stealth aircraft

SLBMS:


You my friend have just displayed your ignorance to the rest of the world. You have zero clue of what you are doing about. Terrorists are not running amok in the streets of Paris and New York. ISIS is not overunning bases in these countries. The Mali mission is an intervention force. This was what the Nigerian military was once known for....we couldn't even lead A mission to Mali. You are a very ignorant person.

Yes we have advanced ISR platforms but we have just two and they are basically the only long range early warning systems we have in military. You want to know what is rare in Africa? It's rare for a nation to spend billions of dollars annually in security allocation yet NOTHING to show for it. I mentioned for the past 3 years Nigeria has been alloting $1 billion a year for bullets and munitions. ONE BILLION DOLLARS. BILLION.

The entire defence budget of Cameroon in 2018 was $320 million. For Chad $300 million. We spend more on bullets and munitions and operational costs than the entire defence budget of the two strongest militaries in the francophone world. The $650 we spent on 12 turbo prop planes is what morw than what these countries can afford for their entire defence annually. Yet 13 years later you do not see the problem in Nigerian soldiers digging trenches and waiting for Boko Haram to attack because they do not have the necessary armoured vehicles and air cover to go on the offensive. Majority if soldiers still weild AK-47 assault rifles. A quarter of our tank fleet has been wiped out or stolen. Our bases are being overrun. You cannot isolate air power from land forces. Boko Haram is able to do this because the NAF is stretched too thin with obsolete equipment. Each time soldiers brave up and go out on offensive missions without air power they get massacred or ambushed...so now they just did trenches. The Army aviation Corp was a welcome development but there are just too few assets. We have Boko Haram into he north, bandits encroaching down south, the Shiite uprising is rearing its ugly head. Yet the nation's Air Chief is commissioning sewing machine factories, buildings, gym faculties, fish ponds. A nation at war is holding sporting competitions. There is no sense of urgency to squash Boko Haram once and for all and focus on national development. We just keep dragging along on a never ending war of attrition and folks likw you are here giving the criminal and corrupt cronies a round of applause and approval. Unbelievable!!

me and you now is ignorantwho told you the whole defense budget allocated annually is for weapons procurements Alone.. And since when has BHT overran a major military base .. BHT has been trying to do that to special forces school in yobe but always meet their Waterloo...they only overrun smaller unitz and FOBs most times not successful...the day BHT tried to overrun the MNJFT they paid dearly NAF responded with the MI35 and Alpha jet..... The military has made great progress in the fight against terrorist groups unlike before we would hear bomblast here and their even during festival periods...it has now drastically changed our military onced hired foreign pilots and private military institution to fight for us it has all changed now though we need improvement and all but we have to appreciate the little that our military is doing it's not an easy job.the military is using both kinetic and non kinetic ops to fight insurgency not everyone is perfect our Boys ain't super humans that is always winning...there is always a breach of info somewhere...that's why our FOBs are usually attacked....And some of you need to learn manners always offensive while talking to someone is wrong SLBMS

giles14:
oga bidexii pls warn this guy.

What is this tomorrow he may even declare A-29 stealth aircraft

Is he wrong that the A29 can see and release a guided munition out and away from the envelope of a Technical's sight or range?

giles14:
oga bidexii pls warn this guy.

What is this tomorrow he may even declare A-29 stealth aircraft

I never said it was stealth don't u get...... Being that I can acquire and attack it's Target at long range makes it less vulnerable to enemy fire that's what I meant Mr man

Toju200:
I never said it was stealth don't u get...... Being that I can acquire and attack it's Target at long range makes it less vulnerable to enemy fire that's what I meant Mr man

pls what's the name of the missile

giles14:
pls link of the Isis report on shooting down the Su25.

Pls am waiting.

It is true.

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-russian-su-25-shot-down-over-syria-2018-2?r=US&IR=T

giles14:
pls what's the name of the missile

AGM 65 marverick

rka2:


It is true.

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-russian-su-25-shot-down-over-syria-2018-2?r=US&IR=T

thanks for helping me out with link

Toju200:
it was an error I was talking about the su 25......(Sukhoi-25
A Russian Sukhoi-25 ground-attack aircraft has been shot down in a rebel-held area in Syria's north-western province of Idlib.

The Russian defence ministry said the pilot had ejected into an area believed to be controlled by the jihadist Hayat Tahrir al-Sham alliance.

Although he survived the crash he was killed in a ground fight, Moscow said.

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham - formerly linked to al-Qaeda - said it had shot down the plane.

The Syrian government, backed by Russian air power, launched a major offensive in December against rebel groups in Idlib.)

His this a recent invent or old ?
If it's old an Su25 as been shot down in Syria before- https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18216/russian-su-25-frogfoot-attack-jet-shot-down-in-syria