shahydbinaliyu:
someone should please post the pictures here

truthman2012:


Moderators: please move this thread to muslim section where it will be appreciated.

truthman2012:


Moderators: please move this thread to muslim section where it will be appreciated.

truthman2012:


Moderators: please move this thread to muslim section where it will be appreciated.

truthman2012:


Moderators: please move this thread to muslim section where it will be appreciated.

shahydbinaliyu:


like i care

Abuamam:



...especially since it negates our cherished xtian belief that the Kaaba is full of idols and fetish objects. We do not want to see any disturbing evidence that will negate that belief.

Ifeann:

[s] Everybody who knows Islam, knows inside the kaaba is as empty as Islam. The kaaba itself is ur idol. However Muslims venerate, revere and apotheosize it, even more than roman Catholics that choose to venerate statues.U Muslims considered the kabba a woman and dress "her" in black "hijab", .and after doing ur circling and chanting u kiss the black stone. If u do NOT see the idolatry in this then common sense will not make u renounce Islam. My Brother in humanity don't tell us its harmless fun. Its disgusting idolatry period. [/s]

Ifeann:


Everybody who knows Islam, knows inside the kaaba is as empty as Islam.


The kaaba itself is ur idol. However Muslims venerate, revere and apotheosize it, even more than roman Catholics that choose to venerate statues.

U Muslims considered the kabba a woman and dress "her" in black "hijab", .and after doing ur circling and chanting u kiss the black stone. If u do NOT see the idolatry in this then common sense will not make u renounce Islam. My Brother in humanity don't tell us its harmless fun. Its disgusting idolatry period.

Cc shahydbinaliyu, Rilwayne001, empiree

onetrack:
I don't see a reason to hate on the Ka'aba. It's a very significant building in terms of history; I've already looked up pictures of the interior sometime in the past. As an atheist, I can never visit it, which is a shame, though visiting Saudi Arabia has never been high on my list.

I studied history and I can appreciate buildings associated with religions if they have particular historical, cultural, or artistic value. I've visited the Vatican and thoroughly enjoyed seeing the sites there, even if I don't believe in the Catholic religion.

No need to hate on a building just because it is associated with a religion one does not like.

Abuamam:


La ilaha illa Allah... there is no Diety worthy of worship ; except Allah!

If you only knew what an average Muslim would think of this your comment above...

Reminds me of the saying: "Better to remain silent and be suspected of foolishness than to open your mouth and dispell all possible doubt."

La ilaha illa Allah... there is no Diety worthy of worship ; except Allah!

truthman2012:


From the history you read: Who built Kaaba? There are biblical and islamic evidences that Abraham never stayed in Mecca.

Check: https://www.nairaland.com/2279859/true-story-abrahams-journey-mecca

onetrack:


I don't believe in the existence of Abraham. I think he's a mythical figure like Zeus or Sango. The Ka'aba was built by polytheists no more than a few hundred years before Muhammad, maybe even just a few decades before, and it was not the only such shrine in the Arabian peninsula.

Ifeann:


Everybody who knows Islam, knows inside the kaaba is as empty as Islam.


The kaaba itself is ur idol. However Muslims venerate, revere and apotheosize it, even more than roman Catholics that choose to venerate statues.

U Muslims considered the kabba a woman and dress "her" in black "hijab", .and after doing ur circling and chanting u kiss the black stone. If u do NOT see the idolatry in this then common sense will not make u renounce Islam. My Brother in humanity don't tell us its harmless fun. Its disgusting idolatry period.

Cc shahydbinaliyu, Rilwayne001, empiree

true2god:
Who built the kabba (back-up your claims with historical sources)?

shahydbinaliyu:



i resemble history teacher? or i resemble google? if you wanna know the truth, do research on it yourself...


to give you a hint... Abraham first built Khabah...

true2god:
Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael Movement to Mecca Ibn Abbas narrated:

"... Ibrahim brought her (Hajrah) and her son, Ismail while she was suckling him, to a place near the Kaaba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. [/b]Ismail's mother followed him saying: "O Ibrahim! [b]Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)? "She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her. Then she asked him: "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said: "Yes". She said: "Then He will not neglect us." and she returned (to her child) while Ibrahim proceeded on his way. On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him, Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer: "O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Thy Sacred House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer: so fill the hearts of some among men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they may give thanks." [Surah Ibrahim 14 :37]..." [Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583]

The salient points here are:
1. Abraham led Hagai and her son, Ishmael to Mecca and went back to Israel by allahh's order without looking back. At that time there was nobody, no building, nothing was on ground. Since Abraham left immediately without looking back by Allah's order, how can it be justified that he stayed there to build Kaaba. He had to stay there to be able to build Kaaba because Ishmael who joined him in the building was still sucking at the time.

2. Abraham could not have gone back to Mecca, having been ordered by allahh not to look back.

3. Quran confirms there was no messenger in Mecca prior to the coming of Muhammad: But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners ([Quran 34:44]).

It means Abraham was a prophet (messenger), not in Arabia but Israel. Therefore Kaaba could not have built by Abraham who was not there, but Meccan pagans for their idols. Why did Muhammad convert it to house of alllahh if he (allahh) was not an idol.

Ifeann:


Why did u say



Did my comment shake your faith that much that u needed to recite that.

Ifeann:

Look dude. Can u give us one reason;

1. why u circle the kaaba in a ritual mirroring that of the clearly pagan Hindus.

2. Can u also say why u dress up the kaaba in a black hijab

3.Can u tell us the significance of kissing a black dirty stone.

4. Can u tell us why u bow towards the kaaba

All idolatry that u deny.

Abuamam:


You are a small girl; believe me. The only thing you have got going for you on NL is that you don't reason. I stated it to remind YOU of Who we Muslims worship.



1. Circumnabulation is an act of worship. It is done round the Kaaba, because it is our Qibla; the focal point to which we direct our daily prayers. If the Hindus have a similar custom, then I can only commend them on perhaps retaining a memory of part of the true religion of Islam that they were taught through the prophets previously sent to them by the Almighty; and exhorting them to accept the total way of life brought by the final prophet of Islam (saw).

2. The Kaaba cloth is known as the Qiswah not hijab. It is a mere cloth used to protect the Kaaba from the elements; for the Kaaba is mere built up stones and subject to the elements. It has been of different colours through the ages, it is only black in current times. No Muslim ever thought of the Kaaba as a 'woman'. Only a bigoted xtian could have invented such stupidity.

3. Again rephrase your question without insults. I do not know of any 'dirty' black stone. The only 'dirt' I percieve around here is in your heart.

4. We bow to Allah alone. The Kaaba is the focal point or direction to which we turn when we pray; which previously was the mosque of the prophet Sulaiman (as) in Jerusalem. Had the Kaaba been an idol which we worship as you claim, the prophet (saw) would not have previously prayed facing Jerusalem.

Idolatory is worshipping Jesus as a god; when he passed to this world through a woman's privates, ate, drank, shat and pissed, and even DIED according to you... High above all these activities is the Almighty. It is also taking your pastors as gods beside Allah; serving them; taking their whims and caprices above God's laws; to the extent of obeying them when they tell you to eat grass, drink petrol, or commit adultery with them; to the extent of carrying their pregnancies, with your foolish husbands' consent. That is idolatory.

truthman2012:

Jesus was Son in flesh and God in the Spirit. You may not understand this as a carnal man.
People worshiped Jesus, even as a newly born baby. Those people were not Christians.
Any pastor who preaches outside the bible should be queried. All pastors are not true pastors. Satan is also into churches also but the difference between the church and mosque is that the church belongs to Christ and Satan only intrudes but the mosque is his own establishment.

true2god:
(back-up your claims with historical sources)?

Abuamam:


Follow your own advice for the above rant...

Abuamam:

If the Hindus have a similar custom, then I can only commend them on perhaps retaining a memory of part of the true religion of Islam that they were taught through the prophets previously sent to them by the Almighty; and exhorting them to accept the total way of life brought by the final prophet of Islam (saw).
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