Why was Prophet Muhammad’s Father Called “Abdullah”?

It appears there is some confusion on this issue as Prophet Muhammad’s father’s name (Abdullah) meant the “slave of Allah” – questions have been asked as to why the name Allah was known BEFORE Islam was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (p).

Typically, our Christian missionary friends have been spinning this as to mean Allah was a pagan god as the pagan Arabs knew of the word “Allah” before the coming of the Prophet and Islam.

Highlighting ignorance…

This simply highlights the Christian missionary’s/critic’s ignorance as the word Allah was initially used in a monotheistic sense by Ishmael (son of Abraham) and those of his followers. However, with time, these Arabs later slipped into paganism which ultimately led to the Arabs of Mecca leaving the pure belief of Allah being the ONLY God by making Allah a high god of their pantheon of gods.

The Prophet Muhammad (p) brought the Arabs back onto the worship of Allah alone with the introduction of Islam – the same beliefs Ishmael (p) introduced to Arabia.

A brief history of Meccan-Arab religious practice

We know that the word “Allah” was in use before the time of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). If we read Ar-Raheeq ul-Makhtum we realise that the early Arabs did believe in Allah as the Only God. This is dated all the way back to the time of Prophet Ishmael (p) who resided in Makkah (Mecca) and learned Arabic as well as settling there [1]. He preached the message of pure monotheism; “Most of the Arabs had complied with the call of Ishmael and professed the religion of his father Abraham. They worshipped Allah, professed His Oneness and followed His religion...” .

This shows that Allah was known as the Only God, just like the Muslims believe Him to be. Indeed Abraham and Ishmael (pbut) are considered to be Muslims, i.e. those who had submitted to the Will of the Only God, Allah.

How paganism was introduced after Ishmael and Abraham (pbut)

The issue of paganism came into the equation as the Arabs forgot this pure monotheism which was taught by Ishmael and his followers. The idolatry was originated from the actions of a man named Amr bin Luhai, he was known as a devoted and righteous man, well respected by his peers. However, after a trip away from Mecca he saw idol-worship in Syria.

Upon his return to the Meccans he introduced idol worship to the Meccans by bringing an idol named Hubal back from Syria and this resulted in the spread of a great many idols across Mecca.

They now (wrongly) believed Allah to be the high god of many gods

Despite the Meccan pagans’ acceptance of idols they still proclaimed belief in Allah in the sense that they saw Allah as the High God but used the idols as ‘lesser deities’ whom they believed “could intercede before Allah for the fulfilment of their wishes” [4].

Quite simply they had a pantheon of ‘gods’ but believed that Allah was the High God of their pantheon.

The theory of Allah being considered as a High God is backed by Ar-Raheequl-Maktoum, Karen Armstrong and W. M. Watt.

Effectively over the years they changed their belief in Allah, from the belief that Allah was the Only God (the Abrahamic teachings) to the belief that Allah was the High God of their many deities (pagan/polytheistic teachings).

There were 360 different idols, belonging to the pagans of Mecca, around the Ka’bah when Prophet Muhammed took charge of Mecca. These idols were subsequently broken, removed and burned under the authority of Prophet Muhammed [3].

Prophet Muhammad’s father - Abdullah

Another source that attests to the fact that the pre-Islamic Arabs used the name Allah and held a ‘belief’ in Him is the genealogy of Prophet Muhammed, his father’s name was actually Abdullah (meaning servant of Allah). Interestingly enough, some of these pagan Arabs believed that Allah was the same God that the Jews and Christians worshipped.

Prophet Muhammad reintroduces Abrahamic monotheism

In 610 CE, the Prophet Muhammad began to call the pagan Arabs back to the pure monotheism which was taught by Abraham and Ishmael centuries earlier. By 632 CE the Meccan Arabs had given up their idols and returned back to pure monotheism – believing in Allah as the only god.

Sources:
1. Ar-Raheequl-Makhtum by Safi-ur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri, Darussalam, 2002 pg 26-28
2. Ibid pg 45
3. Ibid pg 45-46
4. Ibid 46
5. Ibid 63
6. Islam a Short History by Karen Armstrong, Phoenix Press, 2001, pg 3
7. What Is Islam by W.Montgomery Watt, Longman Group, Second Edition, 1979, pg 47


Learn about Islam:
http://www.thedeenshow.com
thefactsaboutislam..com

So many lies in the OP.

Ishmael learnt arabic in Mecca from who? It is said when Hagai and Ishmael first settled there, nobody, no building was there.

''How paganism was introduced after Ishmael and Abraham (pbut)''

It is untrue. Abraham didn't stay in Mecca. He left Hagai and Ishmael there without looking back.

https://www.nairaland.com/2279859/true-story-abrahams-journey-mecca

Ishmael was a baby when they got to Mecca. He could not have introduced monotheism to Meccans as he was too young to know the religion of Abraham. His mother was an Egyptian and same for his wife. Egyptians were known for idol worship and they must have influenced him greatly.

It is true Allah was the chief god to the other 359 idols inside Kaaba. If allah himself was not an idol, how was he their chief god? Can the true God be the head of the idols?

Every family in Mecca had their own idol inside Kaaba but the head was allahh. This allahh was Muhammad' family's god. It was this god (allah) Muhammad went to worship at Hira when islamic Gabriel appeared to him.

Tell me, was Muhammad a muslim when he was worshiping allahh before the appearance of islamic Gabriel? Which allahh was he worshiping as a pagan?

Unfortunately, Gabriel confirmed as the true God,the same allahh (the head of other idols). When did God start to be head the of idols?

Truthman2012 just ran from one thread where I was kicking his a*s to another thread where I will still kick his ass.

He claims Hagar and Ishmael met no one when they went to Mecca which is true, AT FiRsT. obviously the fact that ARAbS exist proves that there were people there, safe to say this bloke thinks Ishmael was the progenitor of the whole Arab fave which he is not!

Secondly the git claims Ishmael who was about 13 years old was a baby and was too young to know his fathers religion? Okay.

His questions about Allah is what this topics answer.

Now go back and answer my questions.

EzioAuditore:
Why was Prophet Muhammad’s Father Called “Abdullah”?

It appears there is some confusion on this issue as Prophet Muhammad’s father’s name (Abdullah) meant the “slave of Allah” – questions have been asked as to why the name Allah was known BEFORE Islam was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (p).

Typically, our Christian missionary friends have been spinning this as to mean Allah was a pagan god as the pagan Arabs knew of the word “Allah” before the coming of the Prophet and Islam.

Highlighting ignorance…

This simply highlights the Christian missionary’s/critic’s ignorance as the word Allah was initially used in a monotheistic sense by Ishmael (son of Abraham) and those of his followers. However, with time, these Arabs later slipped into paganism which ultimately led to the Arabs of Mecca leaving the pure belief of Allah being the ONLY God by making Allah a high god of their pantheon of gods.

The Prophet Muhammad (p) brought the Arabs back onto the worship of Allah alone with the introduction of Islam – the same beliefs Ishmael (p) introduced to Arabia.

A brief history of Meccan-Arab religious practice

We know that the word “Allah” was in use before the time of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). If we read Ar-Raheeq ul-Makhtum we realise that the early Arabs did believe in Allah as the Only God. This is dated all the way back to the time of Prophet Ishmael (p) who resided in Makkah (Mecca) and learned Arabic as well as settling there [1]. He preached the message of pure monotheism; “Most of the Arabs had complied with the call of Ishmael and professed the religion of his father Abraham. They worshipped Allah, professed His Oneness and followed His religion...” .

This shows that Allah was known as the Only God, just like the Muslims believe Him to be. Indeed Abraham and Ishmael (pbut) are considered to be Muslims, i.e. those who had submitted to the Will of the Only God, Allah.

How paganism was introduced after Ishmael and Abraham (pbut)

The issue of paganism came into the equation as the Arabs forgot this pure monotheism which was taught by Ishmael and his followers. The idolatry was originated from the actions of a man named Amr bin Luhai, he was known as a devoted and righteous man, well respected by his peers. However, after a trip away from Mecca he saw idol-worship in Syria.

Upon his return to the Meccans he introduced idol worship to the Meccans by bringing an idol named Hubal back from Syria and this resulted in the spread of a great many idols across Mecca.

They now (wrongly) believed Allah to be the high god of many gods

Despite the Meccan pagans’ acceptance of idols they still proclaimed belief in Allah in the sense that they saw Allah as the High God but used the idols as ‘lesser deities’ whom they believed “could intercede before Allah for the fulfilment of their wishes” [4].

Quite simply they had a pantheon of ‘gods’ but believed that Allah was the High God of their pantheon.

The theory of Allah being considered as a High God is backed by Ar-Raheequl-Maktoum, Karen Armstrong and W. M. Watt.

Effectively over the years they changed their belief in Allah, from the belief that Allah was the Only God (the Abrahamic teachings) to the belief that Allah was the High God of their many deities (pagan/polytheistic teachings).

There were 360 different idols, belonging to the pagans of Mecca, around the Ka’bah when Prophet Muhammed took charge of Mecca. These idols were subsequently broken, removed and burned under the authority of Prophet Muhammed [3].

Prophet Muhammad’s father - Abdullah

Another source that attests to the fact that the pre-Islamic Arabs used the name Allah and held a ‘belief’ in Him is the genealogy of Prophet Muhammed, his father’s name was actually Abdullah (meaning servant of Allah). Interestingly enough, some of these pagan Arabs believed that Allah was the same God that the Jews and Christians worshipped.

Prophet Muhammad reintroduces Abrahamic monotheism

In 610 CE, the Prophet Muhammad began to call the pagan Arabs back to the pure monotheism which was taught by Abraham and Ishmael centuries earlier. By 632 CE the Meccan Arabs had given up their idols and returned back to pure monotheism – believing in Allah as the only god.

Sources:
1. Ar-Raheequl-Makhtum by Safi-ur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri, Darussalam, 2002 pg 26-28
2. Ibid pg 45
3. Ibid pg 45-46
4. Ibid 46
5. Ibid 63
6. Islam a Short History by Karen Armstrong, Phoenix Press, 2001, pg 3
7. What Is Islam by W.Montgomery Watt, Longman Group, Second Edition, 1979, pg 47


Learn about Islam:
http://www.thedeenshow.com
thefactsaboutislam..com

There are many unanswered questions about Islam and it strong association with paganism.
For example;
1. Mohammed's Pagan father was called Abdullah, which means slave of Allah long before Mohammed started Islam.
2. The crescent moon and star is seen high above almost every mosque not to mention the moon god was allegedly one of the 360 gods of the kabba.
3. The muslim obsession with black clothes.
4. The Islamic black flag.
5. The kissing of the black stone done by Muslims which was started by Mohammed for no apparent reason.
6. The circling of the kabba.
7. Compulsory pilgrimage for Muslims which was done by pagans in mecca before Islam.
8. Bowing down and facing mecca when praying. Etc
9. Cultural Superstitions and unfounded hate for wall geckos, dogs(mans best friend), cats etc
All these are some of the red flags that indicate that there maybe more to Islam than meets the eye. These pagan practises are not seen in Judaism and Christianity which Mohammed claims are people of the book and says he is one of their "prophets". Could Islam be the worlds largest monotheistic pagan religion. Let's look at more evidence.
Muhammad was born of pagan parents. His father,Abdullah and his mother,Amina were both pagans and they used to worship many idols. His entire childhood (probably up to his teen) was spent in paganism.
Today, many Muhammadans will find it extremely hard to digest this fact. However,Muhammad's pagan origin is disclosed by Hisham ibn al-Kalbi.
On page 17 of his important work,Kitab al-Asnam(The Book of Idols)he writes:
'We have been told that the Apostle of Allah once mentioned al-Uzza saying,
"I have offered a white sheep to al-'Uzza,while I was a follower of the religion of my people."
In the statement above Muhammad clearly admits his past adherence to paganism
- the then religion of the Quraysh.
When Muhammad became an adult and started to attend the annual assembly of poets at Ukazhe was deeply impressed and moved by the thoughts, eloquence, sentiment, freethinking and humanism expounded by many of those poets.
He started questioning the idol-worshipping and began to start preaching a new concept of one God,the creator-similar to the concepts of the Jews and the Christians of that time.
Nonetheless, he was confused as to which god ought to be his God. Allah,at that time, was the supreme god of the pagan Quraysh. From Muhammad's perspective, their only fault was that besides Allah,they used to worship as the intercessors with Allah the supreme god, other smaller gods/goddesses like: Hubal, Al-lat, Al-Uzza, Manat…etc.
So, at the start of his new concept of an almighty creator,Allah was out of his mind. Besides, at that time the magicians, the soothsayers, the sorcerers, and even the Satan worshippers used to vow byAllah. Thus, Muhammad,at the very beginning, found it utterly despicable to make Allah his God (ilah).
During those pagan days the people of Yemen used to worship another deity whose name was Ar-Rahman. Muhammad,for a while, adopted the name Ar-Rahman for God in place ofAllah. Coincidentally,Ar-Rahman was also the Jewish word Rahmana which was a name for God in the Talmudic period.
(Noldeke: The Koran, The Origins of the Koran, p.53).
Muhammad cleverly thought that by using the word Ar-Rahman he ought to be able to attract to his new ‘religion’, theJewsas well as some pagans.
*** Please note that no where in the Quran does Allah say that he has 99 additional names including Ar-Rahman.
In fact these 'names' are Allah's ATTRIBUTES/ SIFAT and NOT NAMES ***
So, when he declared himself to be the messenger ofAr-Rahman,theMeccans,too, were at a loss and confused. The Meccans did not know of any Ar-Rahman,other than the Ar-Rahman of al-Yamamah (some writers say Ar-Rahman,was atYemen).
When we read, with an unbiased mind, the first50 Suras(in chronological order)of theQuran,we note Muhammad’s confusion regrading Lord, Allah and Ar-Rahman. He was quite unsure of whom he should consider as hisGod (Ilah).
Here is a summary of the first50 Suras regarding Muhammad’s idea of hisGod:
Only Lord—68, 92, 89, 94, 100, 108, 105, 114, 97, 106, 75 (11 Suras)
Ar-Rahman, Lord—55, 36 (2 Suras)
Ar-Rahman, Allah, Lord—20
Allah, Lord—96, 73, 74, 81, 87, 53, 85, 50, 38, 7, 72, 25, 35, 56, 26, 27, 28, 17 (18 Suras)
This demonstrates Muhammad’s initial vacillation, confusion and ignorance of the affairs of hisGod (Ilah).
The Quran also confirms that when he started to preach his brand of faithMuhammadwas lost, confused and did not know much of religion. Here is what the Quranwrites:
93.7 And He found thee wandering,and He gave thee guidance.
12.3We do relate unto thee the most beautiful of stories, in that We reveal to thee this (portion of the)Qur'an:before this,thou too was among those who knew it not
42.52And thus have We, by Our Command, sent inspiration to thee:thou knewest not (before) what was Revelation, and what was Faith;but We have made the(Qur'an)a Light, wherewith We guide such of Our servants as We will; and verily thou dost guide (men) to the Straight Way ,-
*** Previously,Muhammad,as aPAGAN,was heedless of earlier revelations ***
Initially,Muhammad even eulogized the important gods (or idols) of the pagans by agreeing with the Quraysh- at some point that these gods were the intercessors ofAllah(The Satanic Verses).On the same page Hisham ibn al-Kalbi writes:
TheQuraysh were wont to circumambulate theKa'baand chant:
53.19ByAllat and al-'Uzza,
53.20AndManah,the third idol besides.
53.21 Verily they are the most exalted females/cranes[Gharaniq]
53.22 Whose intercession is to be sought.
These were also called"the Daughters of Allah: al Lat, al Uzza & al Manat"and were supposed to intercede beforeAllah.
Muhammad,in a moment of desperation and weakness, to try and bring his Quraysh tribe to his way of thinking, compromised his monotheism by allowing himself to state that he received theABOVE'revelation'fromAllah.
The above represent theSATANIC VERSEScontroversy, where by Satan allegedly was able to easily mislead Muhammad into allowing his followers to have partners withAllah,as they had under paganism; that is to allow the three daughters ofAllah to share his divine throne by being intercessors between humanity andAllah.
When Muhammad realised that he had compromised his Monotheism,he later very conveniently, ABROGATED verses 21 & 22 and replaced them with the following:
53.19Have ye seenLat. and 'Uzza,
53.20And another, the third (goddess),Manat?
53.21What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?
53.22Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair
53.23These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
*** To cover up the fact that he had compromised his monotheism,Muhammad found that the bestSCAPE GOAT is to very conveniently blame the unsuspecting :SATAN.
As u do more research on Islam you see more evidence for yourself.
For more info visit: http://www.inthenameofallah.org /Muhammad%20the%20Pagan.html

EzioAuditore:
Truthman2012 just ran from one thread where I was kicking his a*s to another thread where I will still kick his ass.

He claims Hagar and Ishmael met no one when they went to Mecca which is true, AT FiRsT. obviously the fact that ARAbS exist proves that there were people there, safe to say this bloke thinks Ishmael was the progenitor of the whole Arab fave which he is not!

Secondly the git claims Ishmael who was about 13 years old was a baby and was too young to know his fathers religion? Okay.

His questions about Allah is what this topics answer.

Now go back and answer my questions.

In that your nonsensical thread, I asked you a question, which you are afraid of answering because it will flaw your claim.

Back to this thread, you said Ishmael was 13 years old when he got to Mecca. You have nailed yourself in the leg. Where did you get that there were people in Mecca and that Ishmael was 13 year old? It is only the bible that says he was 13 years old when he was cast out of Abraham's family. Islamic source says he was a baby. Again islamic sour says there were no people in Mecca when Ishmael and his mother got there. Which one do you believe, bible or islamic source?

You are sooo confused!

Check it again: https://www.nairaland.com/2279859/true-story-abrahams-journey-mecca

Ifeann:


There are many unanswered questions about Islam and it strong association with paganism.
For example;
1. Mohammed's Pagan father was called Abdullah, which means slave of Allah long before Mohammed started Islam.
2. The crescent moon and star is seen high above almost every mosque not to mention the moon god was allegedly one of the 360 gods of the kabba.
3. The muslim obsession with black clothes.
4. The Islamic black flag.
5. The kissing of the black stone done by Muslims which was started by Mohammed for no apparent reason.
6. The circling of the kabba.
7. Compulsory pilgrimage for Muslims which was done by pagans in mecca before Islam.
8. Bowing down and facing mecca when praying. Etc
9. Cultural Superstitions and unfounded hate for wall geckos, dogs(mans best friend), cats etc
All these are some of the red flags that indicate that there maybe more to Islam than meets the eye. These pagan practises are not seen in Judaism and Christianity which Mohammed claims are people of the book and says he is one of their "prophets". Could Islam be the worlds largest monotheistic pagan religion. Let's look at more evidence.
Muhammad was born of pagan parents. His father,Abdullah and his mother,Amina were both pagans and they used to worship many idols. His entire childhood (probably up to his teen) was spent in paganism.
Today, many Muhammadans will find it extremely hard to digest this fact. However,Muhammad's pagan origin is disclosed by Hisham ibn al-Kalbi.
On page 17 of his important work,Kitab al-Asnam(The Book of Idols)he writes:
'We have been told that the Apostle of Allah once mentioned al-Uzza saying,
"I have offered a white sheep to al-'Uzza,while I was a follower of the religion of my people."
In the statement above Muhammad clearly admits his past adherence to paganism
- the then religion of the Quraysh.
When Muhammad became an adult and started to attend the annual assembly of poets at Ukazhe was deeply impressed and moved by the thoughts, eloquence, sentiment, freethinking and humanism expounded by many of those poets.
He started questioning the idol-worshipping and began to start preaching a new concept of one God,the creator-similar to the concepts of the Jews and the Christians of that time.
Nonetheless, he was confused as to which god ought to be his God. Allah,at that time, was the supreme god of the pagan Quraysh. From Muhammad's perspective, their only fault was that besides Allah,they used to worship as the intercessors with Allah the supreme god, other smaller gods/goddesses like: Hubal, Al-lat, Al-Uzza, Manat…etc.
So, at the start of his new concept of an almighty creator,Allah was out of his mind. Besides, at that time the magicians, the soothsayers, the sorcerers, and even the Satan worshippers used to vow byAllah. Thus, Muhammad,at the very beginning, found it utterly despicable to make Allah his God (ilah).
During those pagan days the people of Yemen used to worship another deity whose name was Ar-Rahman. Muhammad,for a while, adopted the name Ar-Rahman for God in place ofAllah. Coincidentally,Ar-Rahman was also the Jewish word Rahmana which was a name for God in the Talmudic period.
(Noldeke: The Koran, The Origins of the Koran, p.53).
Muhammad cleverly thought that by using the word Ar-Rahman he ought to be able to attract to his new ‘religion’, theJewsas well as some pagans.
*** Please note that no where in the Quran does Allah say that he has 99 additional names including Ar-Rahman.
In fact these 'names' are Allah's ATTRIBUTES/ SIFAT and NOT NAMES ***
So, when he declared himself to be the messenger ofAr-Rahman,theMeccans,too, were at a loss and confused. The Meccans did not know of any Ar-Rahman,other than the Ar-Rahman of al-Yamamah (some writers say Ar-Rahman,was atYemen).
When we read, with an unbiased mind, the first50 Suras(in chronological order)of theQuran,we note Muhammad’s confusion regrading Lord, Allah and Ar-Rahman. He was quite unsure of whom he should consider as hisGod (Ilah).
Here is a summary of the first50 Suras regarding Muhammad’s idea of hisGod:
Only Lord—68, 92, 89, 94, 100, 108, 105, 114, 97, 106, 75 (11 Suras)
Ar-Rahman, Lord—55, 36 (2 Suras)
Ar-Rahman, Allah, Lord—20
Allah, Lord—96, 73, 74, 81, 87, 53, 85, 50, 38, 7, 72, 25, 35, 56, 26, 27, 28, 17 (18 Suras)
This demonstrates Muhammad’s initial vacillation, confusion and ignorance of the affairs of hisGod (Ilah).
The Quran also confirms that when he started to preach his brand of faithMuhammadwas lost, confused and did not know much of religion. Here is what the Quranwrites:
93.7 And He found thee wandering,and He gave thee guidance.
12.3We do relate unto thee the most beautiful of stories, in that We reveal to thee this (portion of the)Qur'an:before this,thou too was among those who knew it not
42.52And thus have We, by Our Command, sent inspiration to thee:thou knewest not (before) what was Revelation, and what was Faith;but We have made the(Qur'an)a Light, wherewith We guide such of Our servants as We will; and verily thou dost guide (men) to the Straight Way ,-
*** Previously,Muhammad,as aPAGAN,was heedless of earlier revelations ***
Initially,Muhammad even eulogized the important gods (or idols) of the pagans by agreeing with the Quraysh- at some point that these gods were the intercessors ofAllah(The Satanic Verses).On the same page Hisham ibn al-Kalbi writes:
TheQuraysh were wont to circumambulate theKa'baand chant:
53.19ByAllat and al-'Uzza,
53.20AndManah,the third idol besides.
53.21 Verily they are the most exalted females/cranes[Gharaniq]
53.22 Whose intercession is to be sought.
These were also called"the Daughters of Allah: al Lat, al Uzza & al Manat"and were supposed to intercede beforeAllah.
Muhammad,in a moment of desperation and weakness, to try and bring his Quraysh tribe to his way of thinking, compromised his monotheism by allowing himself to state that he received theABOVE'revelation'fromAllah.
The above represent theSATANIC VERSEScontroversy, where by Satan allegedly was able to easily mislead Muhammad into allowing his followers to have partners withAllah,as they had under paganism; that is to allow the three daughters ofAllah to share his divine throne by being intercessors between humanity andAllah.
When Muhammad realised that he had compromised his Monotheism,he later very conveniently, ABROGATED verses 21 & 22 and replaced them with the following:
53.19Have ye seenLat. and 'Uzza,
53.20And another, the third (goddess),Manat?
53.21What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?
53.22Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair
53.23These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
*** To cover up the fact that he had compromised his monotheism,Muhammad found that the bestSCAPE GOAT is to very conveniently blame the unsuspecting :SATAN.
As u do more research on Islam you see more evidence for yourself.
For more info visit: http://www.inthenameofallah.org /Muhammad%20the%20Pagan.html

I want to start by saying it is common knowledge that white was the prophets favorite color. And as for some of those practices I have already mentioned, just as there are some aspects of Christianity and Jewish religions emulated by muslim, some of these pagan practices originated right from the time of Ishmael and are infact not pagan practices. Just as christianity is good brought by Isa (AS) mixed with madness, so were these pagan practices. As to your question about the black stone, read:

Let us look at the Bible's sacred black stones:

Genesis 28:18
When Jacob got up early the next morning, he took the rock that he had used for a pillow and stood it up for a place of worship. Then he poured olive oil on the rock to dedicate it to God,

So here we clearly see that the rock that Jacob, peace be upon him, used for sleeping and resting became a holy object of worship that needed to be anointed by having oil being poured on it. We further read from the Bible about holy stones that GOD Almighty supposedly forbade the believers from even edging or trimming:

Exodus 20:25
25 If you ever build an altar for me out of stones, do not use any tools to chisel the stones, because that would make the altar unfit.

Other translations of this verse:

Exodus 20:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.

Exodus 20:25
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
25 If you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield your tool on it, you will profane it.

Exodus 20:25
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
25 And if you make me an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stones; for if you wield your tool upon it you profane it.

Exodus 24:4
4 Then Moses wrote down what the Lord had said. The next morning Moses got up early. He built an altar at the foot of the mountain and set up a large stone for each of the twelve tribes of Israel.

truthman2012:


In that your nonsensical thread, I asked you a question, which you are afraid of answering because it will flaw your claim.

Back to this thread, you said Ishmael was 13 years old when he got to Mecca. You have nailed yourself in the leg. Where did you get that there were people in Mecca and that Ishmael was 13 year old? It is only the bible that says he was 13 years old when he was cast out of Abraham's family. Islamic source says he was a baby. Again islamic sour says there were no people in Mecca when Ishmael and his mother got there. Which one do you believe, bible or islamic source?

You are sooo confused!

Check it again: https://www.nairaland.com/2279859/true-story-abrahams-journey-mecca

I mentioned 13 because is that not what your bible says? Are you not a christian? Read:Narrated Ibn Abbas: "The first lady to use a girdle was the mother of Ishmael. She used a girdle so that she might hide her tracks from Sarah. Abraham brought her and her son Ishmael while she was suckling him, to a place near the Ka'ba under a tree on the spot of Zam-zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Mecca, nor was there any water So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ishmael's mother followed him saying, "O Abraham! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her Then she asked him, "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said, "Yes." She said, "Then He will not neglect us," and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not see him, he faced the Ka'ba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayers:

'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Site of kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.' (14.37) Ishmael's mother went on suckling Ishmael and drinking from the water (she had).

Now clearly we see Hagar believed in God, she was not an idol worshipper and therefore she would have thought her son about God. Besides! Ishmael is a prophet, a baby or not does he not have Gods guidance? And read the part about Abrahams prayer.

But that is not all

After Ishmael's mother had died, Abraham came after Ishmael's marriage in order to see his family that he had left before, but he did not find Ishmael there. When he asked Ishmael's wife about him, she replied, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Then he asked her about their way of living and their condition, and she replied, 'We are living in misery; we are living in hardship and destitution,' complaining to him. He said, 'When your husband returns, convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold of the gate (of his house).' When Ishmael came, he seemed to have felt something unusual, so he asked his wife, 'Has anyone visited you?' She replied, 'Yes, an old man of so-and-so description came and asked me about you and I informed him, and he asked about our state of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and poverty.' On that Ishmael said, 'Did he advise you anything?' She replied, 'Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to you and to tell you to change the threshold of your gate.' Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and he has ordered me to divorce you. Go back to your family.' So, Ishmael divorced her and married another woman from amongst them (i.e. Jurhum).

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished and called on them again but did not find Ishmael. So he came to Ishmael's wife and asked her about Ishmael. She said, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Abraham asked her, 'How are you getting on?' asking her about their sustenance and living. She replied, 'We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything in abundance).' Then she thanked Allah' Abraham said, 'What kind of food do you eat?' She said. 'Meat.' He said, 'What do you drink?' She said, 'Water." He said, "O Allah! Bless their meat and water." The Prophet added, "At that time they did not have grain, and if they had grain, he would have also invoked Allah to bless it." The Prophet added, "If somebody has only these two things as his sustenance, his health and disposition will be badly affected, unless he lives in Mecca." The Prophet added," Then Abraham said Ishmael's wife, "When your husband comes, give my regards to him and tell him that he should keep firm the threshold of his gate.' When Ishmael came back, he asked his wife, 'Did anyone call on you?' She replied, 'Yes, a good-looking old man came to me,' so she praised him and added. 'He asked about you, and I informed him, and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a good condition.' Ishmael asked her, 'Did he give you any piece of advice?' She said, 'Yes, he told me to give his regards to you and ordered that you should keep firm the threshold of your gate.' On that Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and you are the threshold (of the gate). He has ordered me to keep you with me.'

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on them afterwards. He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw Abraham, he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father). Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said, 'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.' Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said, Allah has ordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it." The Prophet added, "Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building, and when the walls became high, Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building, while Ishmael was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying, 'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing." (2.127) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophets, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 583)"

Here's further proof


Narrated Ibn Abbas: "When the Prophet saw pictures in the Ka'ba, he did not enter it till he ordered them to be erased. When he saw the pictures of Abraham and Ishmael carrying the arrows of divination, he said, "May Allah curse them (i.e. the Quraish)! By Allah, neither Abraham nor Ishmael practiced divination by arrows." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophets, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 571)"



But read:
“Was Ishmael and Hagar sent to the desert before or after the birth of Isaac? If we were to accept the Biblical version, we would encounter a number of inconsistencies and contradictions. It is clear from the story in Gen. 21:14-19 that Ishmael was a little baby at that time. For example according to Gen. 16:16 Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born. And according to Gen. 21:5 Abraham was one hundred years old when Isaac was born. It follows that Ishmael was already fourteen years old when his younger brother Isaac was born. According to Gen. 21:8-19 the incident took place after Isaac was weaned. Biblical scholars tell us the child was probably weaned at about the age of three. Thus, it follows that when Hagar and Ishmael were taken away Ishmael was a full-grown teenager, seventeen years old. However, the profile of Ishmael in Gen 21:14-19 is a small baby and not a full-grown teenager. Why?

EzioAuditore:



I mentioned 13 because is that not what your bible says? Are you not a christian? Read:Narrated Ibn Abbas: "The first lady to use a girdle was the mother of Ishmael. She used a girdle so that she might hide her tracks from Sarah. Abraham brought her and her son Ishmael while she was suckling him, to a place near the Ka'ba under a tree on the spot of Zam-zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Mecca, nor was there any water So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ishmael's mother followed him saying, "O Abraham! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her Then she asked him, "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said, "Yes." She said, "Then He will not neglect us," and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not see him, he faced the Ka'ba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayers:

'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Site of kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.' (14.37) Ishmael's mother went on suckling Ishmael and drinking from the water (she had).

Now clearly we see Hagar believed in God, she was not an idol worshipper and therefore she would have thought her son about God. Besides! Ishmael is a prophet, a baby or not does he not have Gods guidance? And read the part about Abrahams prayer.

But that is not all

After Ishmael's mother had died, Abraham came after Ishmael's marriage in order to see his family that he had left before, but he did not find Ishmael there. When he asked Ishmael's wife about him, she replied, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Then he asked her about their way of living and their condition, and she replied, 'We are living in misery; we are living in hardship and destitution,' complaining to him. He said, 'When your husband returns, convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold of the gate (of his house).' When Ishmael came, he seemed to have felt something unusual, so he asked his wife, 'Has anyone visited you?' She replied, 'Yes, an old man of so-and-so description came and asked me about you and I informed him, and he asked about our state of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and poverty.' On that Ishmael said, 'Did he advise you anything?' She replied, 'Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to you and to tell you to change the threshold of your gate.' Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and he has ordered me to divorce you. Go back to your family.' So, Ishmael divorced her and married another woman from amongst them (i.e. Jurhum).

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished and called on them again but did not find Ishmael. So he came to Ishmael's wife and asked her about Ishmael. She said, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Abraham asked her, 'How are you getting on?' asking her about their sustenance and living. She replied, 'We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything in abundance).' Then she thanked Allah' Abraham said, 'What kind of food do you eat?' She said. 'Meat.' He said, 'What do you drink?' She said, 'Water." He said, "O Allah! Bless their meat and water." The Prophet added, "At that time they did not have grain, and if they had grain, he would have also invoked Allah to bless it." The Prophet added, "If somebody has only these two things as his sustenance, his health and disposition will be badly affected, unless he lives in Mecca." The Prophet added," Then Abraham said Ishmael's wife, "When your husband comes, give my regards to him and tell him that he should keep firm the threshold of his gate.' When Ishmael came back, he asked his wife, 'Did anyone call on you?' She replied, 'Yes, a good-looking old man came to me,' so she praised him and added. 'He asked about you, and I informed him, and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a good condition.' Ishmael asked her, 'Did he give you any piece of advice?' She said, 'Yes, he told me to give his regards to you and ordered that you should keep firm the threshold of your gate.' On that Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and you are the threshold (of the gate). He has ordered me to keep you with me.'

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on them afterwards. He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw Abraham, he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father). Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said, 'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.' Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said, Allah has ordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it." The Prophet added, "Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building, and when the walls became high, Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building, while Ishmael was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying, 'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing." (2.127) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophets, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 583)"

Here's further proof


Narrated Ibn Abbas: "When the Prophet saw pictures in the Ka'ba, he did not enter it till he ordered them to be erased. When he saw the pictures of Abraham and Ishmael carrying the arrows of divination, he said, "May Allah curse them (i.e. the Quraish)! By Allah, neither Abraham nor Ishmael practiced divination by arrows." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophets, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 571)"



But read:
“Was Ishmael and Hagar sent to the desert before or after the birth of Isaac? If we were to accept the Biblical version, we would encounter a number of inconsistencies and contradictions. It is clear from the story in Gen. 21:14-19 that Ishmael was a little baby at that time. For example according to Gen. 16:16 Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born. And according to Gen. 21:5 Abraham was one hundred years old when Isaac was born. It follows that Ishmael was already fourteen years old when his younger brother Isaac was born. According to Gen. 21:8-19 the incident took place after Isaac was weaned. Biblical scholars tell us the child was probably weaned at about the age of three. Thus, it follows that when Hagar and Ishmael were taken away Ishmael was a full-grown teenager, seventeen years old. However, the profile of Ishmael in Gen 21:14-19 is a small baby and not a full-grown teenager. Why?

What are trying to prove?

I have no time for this your childish reasonings my friend.

The first paragraph of the hadith says Ishmael was till be suckled. Do they suckle a 13-year old boy?

I have said all I want to say. Don't expect my further response.

truthman2012:


What are trying to prove?

I have no time for this your childish reasonings my friend.

The first paragraph of the hadith says Ishmael was till be suckled. Do they suckle a 13-year old boy?

I have said all I want to say. Don't expect my further response.

Lmao! That's my point! Ishmael was in fact a baby, and the bibles version has a lot of contradictions if we were to say they left when Ishmael was 13. But why do you hate Ishmael? Just answer this, you know he is a legitimate son since the bible claimed Abraham married Hagar, don't fall for the Jewish fallacy and machinations against Arabs mate.

Genesis 16

3And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

Why reject the righteous son of a prophet? Here's the reason!

Another proof of our speech [i.e., that sacrificed was Ishmael (P)] is reported by Ibn Ishaaq: "Muhammad Ibn Ka'b narrated that 'Umar Ibn 'Abd al-'Aziz sent for a man who had been a Jew then converted to Islam and showed signs of true Islam. [Before his conversion], he was one of their scholars [i.e., he was a Jewish scholar] So he [i.e., 'Umar] asked him: which son did Abraham (P) sacrifice? He replied: 'It is Ishmael(P). By God, O Commander of the Believers, the Jews know that but they envy you - the Arabs.'

this ezio too funny and confused

Proffdada:
this ezio too funny and confused

Why?

EzioAuditore:


Why?

you inspire to stone devil

Proffdada:
you inspire to stone devil

Wow! That was not funny. I love how the kalmat shahadah is stamped on your profile btw.

Proffdada:
you inspire to stone devil

Classless

truthman2012:


Ishmael was a baby when they got to Mecca. He could not have introduced monotheism to Meccans as he was too young to know the religion of Abraham.

Old man, your head is impervous to correction. Your bible says Ishmael was 17 when he and his mother left, Yes or No?

Rilwayne001:


Old man, your head is impervous to correction. Your bible says Ishmael was 17 when he and his mother left, Yes or No?

And in your quest to falsify his statement.. You just opened more flaws... I'd leave to to read the thread and make neccessary corrections...

BossTtdiamonds:


And in ypur quest to falsify his statement.. You just opened more flaws... I'd leave to to read the thread and make neccessary corrections...

This imb*cile is at it again! You read the thread and bring forth your corrections, we are only polytechnic students, you are a university graduate! I bet the idiott doesn't even know what we are talking about, please grace us with your presence, oh wise one.

EzioAuditore:



This imb*cile is at it again! You read the thread and bring forth your corrections, we are only polytechnic students, you are a university graduate! I bet the idiott doesn't even know what we are talking about, please grace us with your presence, oh wise one.

Your dumbness how do you intend to understand this when you can't compute simple logical operations.. This is beyond you oh! d.umb one.. When I'm convinced you can comprehend a logical statement, I'll grace you with the correction.. Oh! d.umb one..

BossTtdiamonds:


Your dumbness how do you intend to understand this when you can't compute simple logical operations.. This is beyond you oh! d.umb one.. When I'm convinced you can comprehend a logical statement, I'll grace you with the correction.. Oh! d.umb one..

Your holiness, this isn't just for me, this is for your bible and your God, it is also for other readers to see how genuine your religion is. Surely not everyone is as dumb as I am.

mr nobody, I can see you have open d yansh of this guy here again.
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