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The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:24am On May 03, 2015
If it was the Holy Ghost that overshadowed Mary, then who is the Father? Why not call the Holy Ghost the Father?

If Jesus is the name of the Son, what is his Father's name, since Jesus got his name by inheritance? Jesus Sr.?

If God (the father) is a spirit (John 4:24), and according to the trinity, He is distinct from the 3rd person of the trinity who is also a spirit (Holy Spirit), then how many spirits are in the Godhead?...and does that mean the father is not a holy spirit? And how is the holy spirit different from the spirit of christ?

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Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:25am On May 03, 2015
What is the name of the father?

What is the name of the son?

What is the name of the holy Ghost?
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by Nobody: 7:29am On May 03, 2015
Science is clear on this. 2000 years ago, there was no cloning. There MUST be sex before conception. I have to be blunt here; If Mary was impregnated by Holy Spirit, then intercourse was involved, sperm was involved. And in that case, Jesus was the son of Holy Spirit.

Let's tow that line. Then if Jesus is the Son of the Holy Spirit, then Holy Spirit is the Father, meaning there is no Father but the Holy spirit.
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:29am On May 03, 2015
Then why do NUMEROUS encyclopedias agree that
"... the doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; that it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian scriptures; that it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity"?– p. 34, The Church of the First Three Centuries, Alvan Lamson, D.D

Then why do many encyclopedias, dictionaries and other sources (including Sir Isaac Newton) agree that the "Trinity was a pagan corruption imposed on Christianity in the fourth century by Athanasius"?

Then why does the Bible consistently identify God by singular person pronouns: "I, "Me," "He, and "Him" instead of "We", "Us", "They" or "Them"?


Then why is there not even one scripture of a vision, dream, or CLEAR description wherein God is shown as three persons?

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Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:32am On May 03, 2015
In John's vision, He saw The throne of God and Jesus sitting at the right hand of God....where is the trinity?

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Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by Nobody: 7:32am On May 03, 2015
bingbagbo:
Then why do NUMEROUS encyclopedias agree that
"... the doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; that it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian scriptures; that it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity"?– p. 34, The Church of the First Three Centuries, Alvan Lamson, D.D

Then why do many encyclopedias, dictionaries and other sources (including Sir Isaac Newton) agree that the "Trinity was a pagan corruption imposed on Christianity in the fourth century by Athanasius"?

Then why does the Bible consistently identify God by singular person pronouns: "I, "Me," "He, and "Him" instead of "We", "Us", "They" or "Them"?


Then why is there not even one scripture of a vision, dream, or CLEAR description wherein God is shown as three persons?


The answer is simple; There is no such God, its all lies. Multiverses are direct creations of cosmic energy.

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Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by Nobody: 7:33am On May 03, 2015
Holy Ghost impregnated Mary, the Jesus is called Son of the Father; Hmmnn... means Holy Spirit is the Father. And three of them become One. Sounds like Matrix to me.
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by Nobody: 7:34am On May 03, 2015
You are trying to use human logic to understand God, he is bigger than your understanding, when an amoeba splits into two in reproduction process do you ask for the mother and father, but God is bigger than even that.

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Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:35am On May 03, 2015
Matthew 28:19

Jesus said, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Matthew 28:19)

Note that, name is singular,

and every recorded baptism by the apostles was done in the name of JESUS CHRIST....is it not logical that the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit is JESUS CHRIST?
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:39am On May 03, 2015
Revelation 4:2, “And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”

NOT 3 SAT ON THE THRONE

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Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by Nobody: 7:46am On May 03, 2015
Dont believe whatever is not scientifically provable.
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:46am On May 03, 2015
As you are aware, the Scriptures say that the Father is above all (Ephesians 4:6). Since the Father is not the Trinity (for that would be saying the Father is three persons), and since the Father is above all, should we assume that the Triune Being, that singular "I", is positionally beneath the Father or positionally lateral to the Father? Also, if the Father is the first hypostasis of the Triune Being, does this not imply that the Father is a subset of the Triune Being? Would that not also imply the Father is inferior to the Triune Being, subordinate to this Supreme "I", ?
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:52am On May 03, 2015
The word, “trinity”, in and of itself, means “a group of three”. Could we, in essence, then call God “The Holy Three”? Would this not be in direct opposition to The Holy ONE of Israel? Before you write that off as blasphemy, what would be the difference between Holy Trinity and Holy Three?
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:52am On May 03, 2015
Why didn’t God the Father ever introduce “God the Son” or “God the Holy Spirit” to His people in the Old Testament? Why did He not tell them to teach their children about One God in three persons?
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:53am On May 03, 2015
Why didn’t the Apostles, who had their minds opened that they might understand the scriptures (Luke 24: 45; Matt. 16: 19), or Paul, who received his revelation straight from God (Acts 9: 5; Gal. 1: 11,12), ever tell us that God existed in three persons? I challenge you to look up “The origin of The Trinity” in any credible, historical resource. The earliest mention you will find comes at least 150 years after the NT Church began.
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:53am On May 03, 2015
How many Spirits live inside of you? The Spirit of The Father? (Romans 8: 11) The Holy Spirit? (Acts 2: 38) The Spirit of Christ? (Romans 8: 9
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:54am On May 03, 2015
What is the difference between 3 Gods, and 3 persons? Do you pray to and praise three separate and distinct persons, each called God; each being fully God apart from the other? Each with three distinct personalities, wills, roles and intellects? Do you call each one of the three persons, “God”?
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:55am On May 03, 2015
If God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are two different persons, then who really is the Father of Jesus Christ? Luke 1: 35 “…The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” Matthew 1: 20 “…for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.” Can The Father really be the father of a child He did not conceive?
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:56am On May 03, 2015
Jesus is called the image of the invisible God. (Col. 1: 15) How are you going to see more than one “person” if God is invisible, and the Holy Spirit is a Spirit? John, the only person recorded in scripture to get a glimpse of the throne room, saw only ONE throne and ONE sitting on it.(Rev. 4:2)
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:57am On May 03, 2015
If the three persons of the Godhead are co-equal, co-eternal, and co-existent, why is it that Salvation can only be found in Jesus Christ? (Acts 4: 12)
By Denis Mercier a former Trinitarian
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:57am On May 03, 2015
If the commission by Jesus in Matthew 28:19 was to baptize all nations in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, why did the Apostles (who had their minds opened to understand all scriptures Luke 24: 45) proceed to baptize every New Testament Church convert in the name of Jesus Christ? ( See Acts 2: 38; 8: 16; 10: 48; 19: 5; 22: 16; Rom. 6: 3; 1 Cor. 1:13)
a. Water baptism in Jesus’ name: Is it from God or is it from men? (If from God, have YOU been baptized in Jesus’ name, and do you teach it? If from men, please explain why God approved of it being the only mode of baptism recorded in The New Testament Church)
b. Do you believe that the Apostles were in error by baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ?
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:58am On May 03, 2015
What is the name of The Father? What is the name of The Holy Spirit? Why is it that those who accuse Oneness believers of being “Jesus only”, can only come up with ONE name – Jesus?
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:58am On May 03, 2015
Where did you get the terms, “God the Son” and “God the Holy Spirit”? Any Scripture reference?
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 8:00am On May 03, 2015
If God the Son existed eternally and physically (or even spiritually) with God the Father before time began, how did they get the relation of Father and Son? How did a “son” exist without a mother? And how was God the Holy Spirit related to them?
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 8:01am On May 03, 2015
If Jesus (God the Son) was eternally and physically present on the right hand of The Father since the beginning of time, how did God send him down to earth to become the begotten Son of Mary? Where did the body of Jesus go for the gestation period? Did He disappear to become an embryo? Were there only two members of The Trinity in operation during this period?
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 8:08am On May 03, 2015
I will be right back.......
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by Scholar8200(m): 2:16pm On May 03, 2015
bingbagbo:


I will be right back.......
op, you have posted your questions in the wrong place and sought answers (or back-ups?!) from the wrong sources. Ever saw God reply a poster on NL? Direct them to God in prayer and search the word, with an open mind.
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by johnw74: 5:19am On May 05, 2015
bingbagbo:

If it was the Holy Ghost that overshadowed Mary, then who is the Father? Why not call the Holy Ghost the Father?

If Jesus is the name of the Son, what is his Father's name, since Jesus got his name by inheritance? Jesus Sr.?

If God (the father) is a spirit (John 4:24), and according to the trinity, He is distinct from the 3rd person of the trinity who is also a spirit (Holy Spirit), then how many spirits are in the Godhead?...and does that mean the father is not a holy spirit? And how is the holy spirit different from the spirit of christ?

A child knows that the Father and the Son are two persons.
Bible believers know that God is One God, One Spirit.
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by johnw74: 5:22am On May 05, 2015
bingbagbo:


Then why does the Bible consistently identify God by singular person pronouns: "I, "Me," "He, and "Him" instead of "We", "Us", "They" or "Them"?

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness. ...
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by johnw74: 5:27am On May 05, 2015
bingbagbo:


In John's vision, He saw The throne of God and Jesus sitting at the right hand of God....where is the trinity?

Well there are two persons there for a start, God and Jesus, Father and Son, God and the Word.
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by johnw74: 5:36am On May 05, 2015
bingbagbo:


Matthew 28:19

Jesus said, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Matthew 28:19)

Note that, name is singular,

the name for the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is God,
that is who the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost is, God.
A title can also be a name, I called my Earthly Father "Dad" that was his name to me, I didn't call him "John".


and every recorded baptism by the apostles was done in the name of JESUS CHRIST....is it not logical that the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit is JESUS CHRIST?

Only the Son was named Jesus Christ.
If you stuck to what is written in the Bible, you would not be into so many false doctrines.
Re: The Heretic Trinity Theory!!!!!! by johnw74: 6:02am On May 05, 2015
bingbagbo:
How many Spirits live inside of you? The Spirit of The Father? (Romans 8: 11) The Holy Spirit? (Acts 2: 38) The Spirit of Christ? (Romans 8: 9

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is God,
God is One God, One Spirit.

What you posted there shows three persons being One God, One Spirit.
But you have been blinded to see it through your unbelief.

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