babyosisi:
I was bitten by a snake on campus at about 8 PM at night while walking down a dark road with my bobo
My boyfriend tied his shirt on my leg and carried me on his manly shoulders to the medical center on campus
On getting there,no doctor,the ambulance had no fuel
The nurse used lux soap and cleaned the spot where's I was bitten
The nurses were coming every 5-10 minute to check if I was still alive
3 hours later,the ambulance came and took me to the teaching hospital's accident and emergency unit
I was seen by the house officer on call,who took notes and went away
The consultant,his residents and students on rotation came on their rounds about 9 AM
The doctor asked the time of the bite, I told him,he asked what type of snake,duh,said if the snake was poisonous I should have died hours ago and he discharged me.

That was my experience

Snake bite injection is alwas scarce in almost all d hospitals in the country, and I think d nurse did d rite thing, dts 1st aid..

9blast:
BARELY A DAY AFTER MY INITIAL WRITE UP ON THE GBENGA ALARAN AND JUSTIN YVES UKWU CASE, I HEARD THAT ANOTHER STUDENT OF UNIVERSITY OF ILORIN DIED AS A RESULT OF NEGLECT AND REFUSAL BY HEALTH WORKERS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ILORIN TEACHING HOSPITAL TO ATTEND TO HER BECAUSE THEY ARE ON STRIKE.

IMAGINE, A TEACHING HOSPITAL IS ALSO PART OF THOSE WHO CHOSE TO IGNORE PATIENTS JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY THEY ARE ON STRIKE. I THOUGHT DOCTORS AND NURSES ARE MEANT TO SAVE LIVES FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER, GUESS I WAS WRONG!
HOW LONG WILL THESE CONTINUE? HOW LONG WILL WE CONTINUE TO LOSE LIVES OF INNOCENT INDIVIDUALS, BE IT STUDENTS OR NOT?

WE WANT REFORMS, WE KEPT ON CLAMOURING FOR CHANGE BUT THAT IS NOT HAPPENEING. WHO KNOWS WHO THE NEXT VICTIM MIGHT BE?

NOW PEOPLE GET SCARED ABOUT GOING TO HOSPITALS FOR CHECKUPS BECAUSE MOST OF THE HEALTH WORKERS ACT LIKE “TIN GODS”. IF IT’S NOT VERBAL ABUSE, IT’S GOING TO BE REFUSAL OF ATTENTION. ALL THESE HAS TO STOP, AND IT HAS TO START NOW, OR ELSE NIGERIAN STUDENT MIGHT BE FORCED TO RTAKE LAWS INTO THEIR OWN HANDS AND THE RESUT OF THAT WOULD BE FATAL.

CALLING FOR ALL HANDS TO BE ON DECK, ALL FORMS OF INJUSTICE BEING METTED OUT ON HOSPITAL PATIENTS HAS TO STOP, NOW!!!
MEANWHILE,I'LL GET MORE INFO ON THE UNILORIN STUDENT'S CASE.

#JUSTICE-4-JUSTIN
SIGNED: AYOBAMI EMMANUEL

My guy, stop being an alarmist and stop putting up posts on hearsay because you can also be sued. If you don't know the true facts, desist from sensationalism to get attention. A word is enough for wise. Seek the opinion of medical personnel before posting what you do not understand. If you're too young to understand this, please seek legal opinion or simply get the aggrieved to sue and brief us on the outcome which is what will say who is wrong or right. Medical and dental council of nigeria is also an option, write a petition if you feel so but remember that once you maje the wrong accusations, you ass is on the line too
And I hope that you have health insurance because if you slump today and no back up... OYO... that's your government policy

Kinfunfun22:


The doctor might as well be postponing the surgery to save your brother's life from the risk of undergoing a surgery without the necessary equipments and logistics. That's why you have to talk to him and know why he's doing that. There might also be patients with worse conditions that require more urgent attention than your brother with paucity of equipments to to attend to all of them at a time...Never say never bro.

And if you think they are useless, why not operate on your brother yourself? Let's be sensible please. If you don't like their services, go to another hospital.

Pls tel him, people will never understand the mystery behind medical decision and action, even when you explain to them, they'll neva listen. You are trying your best for them but they still see you as the devil..

Have seen a casee where a surgery won't be performed cos the patient b.p kept rising due to psychological reasons and fear, buh guess what the family insulted every1 and took him away despite xplainin the wholse ish to dem..

SISI1:
He did not have sickle cell!!!!! He was AA

did you do his genotype yourself? Sickle cell disease has many variants apart from the popular SS. Even AS with other genetic haemoglobin issues may go undetected till a problem arises. Besides, in this era of faith healing, the mother needs to be questioned. I 've been in this situation before where I was told no sickle cell, but on further interrogation was told that a pastor binded, casted and and healed the patient, and if they say otherwise, it means their faith has failed and he will revert back. What nonense...
like I said, the best way to get facts is to investigate, do and autopsy and dont talk about what you dont know till we get info from reliable sources that are not irrational protesting uninformed students
Thanks

Kinfunfun22:


You see why I say you are a quack? Almost all snakes have teeth but only poisonous snakes have fangs (google is your friend) and If the snake was venomous, the bite site will be red (erythema) and swollen, and it will most certainly be very painful. Poisonous snakes have immediate effects like continuous bleeding from the site of bite, muscle weakness etc.

You've proven to be a quack and I won't honor you with any subsequent response. And don't ever in your life think you are better in any way than Nigerian doctors because the US you are in have abundant facilities and the doctors there may just give antisnake venom to a patient like that without using clinical judgment because there is abundant resources but a Nigerian doctor doesn't have that luxury of abundant resources and he always uses his clinical skills and knowledge first, and that's why the are usually better doctors.

You have made good points.

1) Snake bite protocols and guidelines state clearly that anti-venom should be given ONLY to patients that show evidence of envenomation.
Snake anti-venom is potentially a cause of anaphylaxis so one has to be cautious in going that route.

eyinjuege:
Ahh, the medical profession is one that few understand, and unless you are trained in that field you may never really understand the basis for taking certain decisions. I will try to give some scenarios....

1. A patient comes in late at night with features of acute appendicitis, you admit, run certain necessary investigations and start on drips & antibiotics that are IV. Note the patient is not allowed to eat. After 24 hours, the patient feels better and all features of appendicitis disappears.
He no longer is an emergency. You have the option of discharging him home for scheduled surgery at a later date or still keeping him to remove the appendix at a time that is convenient because you have other patients that need surgery more urgently. But he doesn't understand that, he feels he came first and his surgery should be done immediately, he gets angry and screams negligence.

2. Another patient B comes in now, also with features of appendicitis but with a twist. His appendix has ruptured/perforated so he has a complication of peritonitis. He needs urgent immediate surgery no doubt. More serious than patient A. You admit him, stop all meals and drinks, start him on drip, IV antibiotics, and do his investigations which takes several hours. But alas, you still cannot do the surgery not because you are negligent, or the logistics are poor but BECAUSE his investigations show some abnormality such as low potassium levels in the blood which can lead to cardiac arrest. You need to correct this with some medication else that patient is almost 100% certain of dying on the operating table.
His relatives however don't want to understand that, they say you are delaying things. He needs urgent operation, and you guys are wasting time, not knowing you his care providers are more fearful of his low potassium than even the perforated appendix.
The patient's surgery is further delayed by a day. I hear the screams of negligence from his relatives, and starvation. He has been stopped from eating.
The surgery can only be done after you have successfully corrected the low potassium, and repeated the tests to confirm this.

3. Patient C also comes in two days later, with features of acute appendicitis, you examine him and he's in serious pains. You stop his meals, do his tests, start him on IV antibiotics and drips. Remember patient A is stable, and no longer an emergency, patient B is still being optimized for surgery.
Patient C is however lucky, his results are fine, there is light in the OR- operating room. Hurray!!! Someone that can enter the OR at last. The anesthetists come and put him to sleep, you the surgeon examine his abdomen whilst patient is under anesthesia before trying to cut him up BUT ALAS you discover he has an appendeceal mass (another complication of appendicitis) where immediate surgery is CONTRAINDICATED.
You walk out dejected out of the OR to inform another set of relatives that surgery has been cancelled once again. You hear screams of negligence and incompetence. You try to explain the mass has to be given time to resolve and you can only do the surgery 3 months after that, but they scream, we have paid for the surgery, why didn't you say this before. Well I couldn't detect the mass because C was in too much pain, with so much guarding and until he was put to sleep and and abdominal muscles relaxed, the mass couldn't be felt.

4. D also comes in with features of appendicitis, you stop his feeding, start drip and antibiotics, do his tests and all normal and then take him to the OR and he has his appendix removed immediately. The lucky bastaerd came last and had his appendix removed first. His relatives say your hospital and its care providers are the most competent in the whole world. They came in the morning, and by afternoon his appendix was out.

Hey, I could go on and on. All these 4 patients had acute appendicitis, but their modes of management were all different, MOST OF THEIR SURGERIES WERE DELAYED AND RIGHTLY SO!!!. But they may not really understand that. The others may feel patient D gave some doctors and nurses bribe hence his surgery was done immediately.

Decisions taken on the care of patients depends on the individual cases with its uniqueness.
This is not to absolve any health worker of incompetence or to promote mediocrity or avoid accountability but to let us understand a bit more the processes involved in taking certain clinical decisions.
Most health workers don't communicate EXPLICITLY with their patients and a lot of patients too don't ask questions.

sORRY for the long epistle

Long epistle, but I read everything, u actually make many sense, nigerians are alwas impatient, even when u are trying 2 sav their lives they call u devil..

dumodust:


Condolences to the mother of the child but I also think her grief has made her in typical nigerian fashion to be apportioning blames to innocent people in the media. From this story alone, I see no evidence of medical negligence or wrong doing. Drips contain glucose and fluid and may suffice if the patient is not to be fed for several reasons. Any sickle cell patient in crisis is place on a drip because it's the fastest way to rehydrate him and prevent further crisis. normal people are not even transfused at pcv of 27 and for a sickle cell patient, at pcv of 22, we may not still transfuse for several reasons. Its not a joke that it is called sickle cell 'anaemia'- the patient is used to a low blood level. Some forms of crisis may require transfusion.
In conclusion, sickle cell anaemia patients are fragile, the outcome is always unpredictable, many die and sickle cell disease can affect all the body systems and cause harm, doctor's conclusions are in order.
This case wont last long in court
it is also sad that nigerians don't google and have no knowledge of sickle cell anaemia which is our affliction.

Hmmm

Onegai:


Alright, here's what to do:

1. Get a lawyer.

2. Demand a autopsy from an independent source. If the boy died of a Sickle Cell related disease, he should have medical records from childhood that shows he was a sickler. And it is very hard to hide that. You also have access to his medical records from the clinic, an independent Medical Review board can ask the doctors who signed it to explain their thinking. Trust me on this.

3. Get the names of the CMD of the school clinics, Nigerians hate popularity and trust me, when you mention someone's father (who may be masquerading as an upstanding citizen) and publicise it, you will speedily get answers. Keep this story in the news, social media, what you can. But be sure of your facts, you need the boy's medical records and proof of all these allegations (screengrab the time stamp on all messages and yes, your lawyer can subpoena call logs from your call provider, but it won't get to that, trust me).

4. Don't give up. You're not fighting for Justin, you're fighting for every other child who isn't Justin. You are now their mother, Justin is now their rallying point.

Thank you

dumodust:

did you do his genotype yourself? Sickle cell disease has many variants apart from the popular SS. Even AS with other genetic haemoglobin issues may go undetected till a problem arises. Besides, in this era of faith healing, the mother needs to be questioned. I 've been in this situation before where I was told no sickle cell, but on further interrogation was told that a pastor binded, casted and and healed the patient, and if they say otherwise, it means their faith has failed and he will revert back. What nonense...
like I said, the best way to get facts is to investigate, do and autopsy and dont talk about what you dont know till we get info from reliable sources that are not irrational protesting uninformed students
Thanks

sir,I get the sense in what u re trying to say,for real,but trust me,Justin wasn't a sickle cell patient ok? An autopsy has been done already,we just need to inform the world.

onyxo76:
As a health worker in a university clinic let me drop a few lines,
First it's sad that a life was lost but then let me point out some mistakes that students commit..

1. A large number of students never register in school clinic hence there is no record to trace,that's why
the card was asked for,though he could have had some care till he stable enough to identify himself.
There was a case of a student from another school who came visiting and had to be referred to the teaching hospital only
to sneak out after treatment and at the end the poor doctor on duty had to foot the bills as he wasn't a student of that
school.

2.In any emergency don't ever wait for ambulance services as most clinics have just one which might been used to convey a
bad case to a tertiary center,carry the sick person as best as you to the clinic .

3.Most students over burden the few workers on duty especially late at night,i've seen cases of students coming at 1am to complain of pimples
and vaginal discharge -these are cases that could have seen during the day and leave the workers to deal with serious cases that might
present at night. you can't expect the single doctor on duty to attend to you when he has a bad case of sickle cell crisis that he is trying to stabilize .

i'm not trying to exonerate the workers on duty that night but students also have a role to play,my condolences to late students family .

oga doc
there is nothing wrong in washing snake bite wound with soap and water
its an acceptable and recommended emergency fist aid treatment in the management of snake bite injury.
i wonder where all these misinformation is coming from.......most esp from a fellow doc
u read her post and condemned the right thing.....yet was silent on the application of tourniquet around the wound site, and that is a wrong thing to do.
i think we should be careful information we post on social media before we mislead the public.

9blast:
sir,I get the sense in what u re trying to say,for real,but trust me,Justin wasn't a sickle cell patient ok? An autopsy has been done already,we just need to inform the world.

ok, if you say so, lets take your word for it. What was the official cause of death after the autopsy?

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SIRTee15:


oga doc
there is nothing wrong in washing snake bite wound with soap and water
its an acceptable and recommended emergency fist aid treatment in the management of snake bite injury.
i wonder where all these misinformation is coming from.......most esp from a fellow doc
u read her post and condemned the right thing.....yet was silent on the application of tourniquet around the wound site, and that is a wrong thing to do.
i think we should be careful information we post on social media before we mislead the public.

i didnt make any comments about the snake bite incident i only made a general observation

Baby is almost 2 now Alhamdullilah,we need total cleansing in tat country,i for one wish to return home,but when i hear stories like this,it puts me off.

nwando:


Yes o lux.
She didn't even open a new tablet
It was half a tablet near a wash hand basin that she grabbed nearby and brought a basin of water with cloth and started wiping my angle with it.
Lol

How are you and the baby jare ?
Longest time


Spambot banned me

A similar inciden happen at one of the Private university in ogun stae, but for prompt response from the school clinic saved the girls life. she had a serious Asthmatic attack but she survived it after few days.

Sadorasolomon:
What is happening to the medical profession4 days before a patient is seen by a DoctorDo we honestly have a regulatory bodyhow can these type of incidences be happening so regularly? ??People are dying in Nigerian hospitals from Neglect !!.Is there one law for medical practitioners & another for the rest of us
If 10% of the people on this forum..speak with one voice about this incidences, we can bring more accountability & improvements...let's be the change we want to see.

if you see what am seing in national hospital in de hands doctors &nurses the way they talk to my mum as if she is their maid you wil weep for me.i regret being a citizen of nigeria doctors & police has ruin this nation.ok let me narrate it a bit imagin a petient in same hospital told me not to complain that mine is minor that he bought 3 packs of blood &3packs of handgrove that had never been use that he paid 19,000 for 3 test etc that had never been conducted he has been discharged now.i was told to buy 3packs of handgrove for our operation each pack is 100 x3 what for?i weep

Kinfunfun22:


The doctor might as well be postponing the surgery to save your brother's life from the risk of undergoing a surgery without the necessary equipments and logistics. That's why you have to talk to him and know why he's doing that. There might also be patients with worse conditions that require more urgent attention than your brother with paucity of equipments to to attend to all of them at a time...Never say never bro.

And if you think they are useless, why not operate on your brother yourself? Let's be sensible please. If you don't like their services, go to another hospital.

*you called urself a lawyer is this how you work with your clients?we re talking abt nigerian doctors you re telling me to operate my brother or take him to another hospital smh:if i take him to another hospital wount i meet same nigerian doctors?my friend respect ur age wherever you are & talk like adult.

onyxo76:
i didnt make any comments about the snake bite incident i only made a general observation

sorry wrong post

bushdoc9919:


Speaking as a doc who has spent some time treating snake bite victims in rural hospitals(again not the most pleasant aspect of my career).

1.Most poisonous snakes when they bite do not inject poison. Especially as they are not in a ''position'' to settle down and do the deed.

2.Wise medics use the Whole Blood Clotting Test to find out if you have been poisoned by a biting snake. Blood is taken from you and placed in a clean tube. If it clots in four minutes....you are safe.If it does not clot in twenty minutes...and for a long time thereafter....oops. .

The basis of the test is that snake venom contains chemicals that prevent the blood from clotting. Also....if your bite wound continues bleeding....that is another warning sign.(Infact...research is going on into potential medical uses for snake venom.).

3.Of course they should not have washed the bite site with soap. Should not have even touched it. But if they did no 2 above...and found out that the blood clotted in normal time.....then they knew that they need not worry.

4.Transfer to a teaching hospital? Now that is where funding for healthcare comes in....another long discussion.

oga doc
there is nothing wrong in washing snake bite wound with soap and water
its an acceptable and recommended emergency fist aid treatment in the management of snake bite injury.
i wonder where all these misinformation is coming from.......most esp from a fellow doc
u read her post and condemned the right thing.....yet was silent on the application of tourniquet around the wound site, and that is a wrong thing to do.
i think we should be careful information we post on social media before we mislead the public.

uplawal:
Baby is almost 2 now Alhamdullilah,we need total cleansing in tat country,i for one wish to return home,but when i hear stories like this,it puts me off.

CHineke mee
Baby that was born the other day
It is my husband's dream that we return home so I have started praying for Buhari to succeed
I want to come home

It's so painful. My sister died in Delsu Health centre. When they couldn't diagnose the sickness., I called and asked them to transfer her to Ogharra teaching hospital, They refused, give her oxygen, for where. When she was almost givng up, they brought oxygen that wasn't working.

Funny woman,thats kids once they clock 6months the rest is fast,Everytime i look forward about when it will atleast be 70% ok to go,then i vamoose.

nwando:


CHineke mee
Baby that was born the other day
It is my husband's dream that we return home so I have started praying for Buhari to succeed
I want to come home

Collectively we have made a difference,from the person who had the courage to share 2 stories on what's happening,the moderator (s) who put this story on the front page & everyone that contributed & will continue to contribute to this story.
To the people (Doctors,I presume?)who think these stories are lies,exaggerations,or as they put it "typical Nigerian exaggerations"...not true.
Don't be in a hurry to defend the indefensible...Medical neglect & incompetence, is neglect & incompetence where ever you live,who ever you are,where ever you practise Medicine ...Don't snort at us..we are not Nurses or Doctors..we are just people who have been patients...& received ****!!
We have the right to want better for ourselves & others..from our doctors & nurses.
There are good Doctors & nurses in Nigeria,but there are a inordinate amount of lousy one's who should not be in the profession.
The Medical negligence in our Universities is unacceptable & we should stop accepting it...yes we can sue...yes we can use social media...but if there was no Medical negligence in the first place....
I believe that every life is worth something,every life is worth fighting for...our young are dying,our young that are trying to better themselves by getting a education in our universities...are dying...not through any fault of theirs...But because the Doctors & Nurses are allowed to get away with it!!!
Too many stories from different people about their experiences. ..are they all being economical with the truth
We have a problem...with Medical Negligence in Nigerian Universities & our country.

dumodust:

did you do his genotype yourself? Sickle cell disease has many variants apart from the popular SS. Even AS with other genetic haemoglobin issues may go undetected till a problem arises. Besides, in this era of faith healing, the mother needs to be questioned. I 've been in this situation before where I was told no sickle cell, but on further interrogation was told that a pastor binded, casted and and healed the patient, and if they say otherwise, it means their faith has failed and he will revert back. What nonense...
like I said, the best way to get facts is to investigate, do and autopsy and dont talk about what you dont know till we get info from reliable sources that are not irrational protesting uninformed students
Thanks

So you dumodust will know better than me that knew him from birth. Will know better than me his sister that knows his entire medical history. Will know better than me who is privy to his autopsy that was carried out on Thursday last week. Better watch yourself o!!! And stop posting crap. I am not a protesting student ok.

SISI1:


So you dumodust will know better than me that knew him from birth. Will know better than me his sister that knows his entire medical history. Will know better than me who is privy to his autopsy that was carried out on Thursday last week. Better watch yourself o!!! And stop posting crap. I am not a protesting student ok.

Ok, missus sister, sorry about your loss, please accept our condolences
but I must ask again, what was the outcome of the autopsy? cause of death please?
And I'm not posting crap. I am a man that deals with facts not hearsay before I judge people. Or do you expect me to just accept the story and start raining curses on people i haven't met before?
Its easy to come to nairaland and drag people's name and reputation through the mud, but you dont want to be asked questions by people who may understand what went wrong. It's best a medical tribunal or court passes judgement and I insist that the medical staff may have done or taken decisions you didn't understand and still may not have done any wrong within the rules and limits of the medical profession.
That is why autopsies should be mandatory for such unexplained illnesses that take people away before anything can be done. Many people die within minutes or hours in hospitals even before you understand what is going on despite being on your feet and fir some illnesses, despite your best efforts, mortality is certain. An autopsy helps everybody understand what truly went wrong. If you knew already and are already in the public domain blaming the medical staff, its best you tell us then.

SISI1:
He did not have sickle cell!!!!! He was AA

tell them o!!!! people!!! get your facts right before you talk o abeg!

IF YOU'RE A STUDENT OF BENSON IDAHOSA UNIVERSITY OR AN ASPIRANT, I ADVICE YOU THUS; IF YOU'RE ILL ON ANY OCCASION, PLEASE AND PLEASE.. FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.. IF YOU LOVE YOURSELF DON'T ATTEMPT TO GO TO THE FVCKING SCHOOL CLINIC OR EVEN THE SCHOOL'S PRIVATE HOSPITAL!! GO TO A RECOGNIZED AND QUALIFIED HOSPITAL FOR TREATMENT!!! #A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE! SPREAD THE WORD #JUSTICEFORJUSTIN

9blast... how can I get to you? it's very important. we should work on how your post will become a national issue. .. please. contact me ASAP..
we cannot afford to waste time while this continues.
contact me via d email address in my signature.

Has this topic made the front page before?
This should be on the home page.

Wow! Just stumbled on this news. Justin was my former lecturer's (Margaret Ukwu of Department of Theatre Arts, UNIPORT) son. RIP dear. It's a pity our doctors and nurses have resorted to playing ping-pong with people's lives. Karma will hang them soon.

Edwyna:
Wow! Just stumbled on this news. Justin was my former lecturer's (Margaret Ukwu of Department of Theatre Arts, UNIPORT) son. RIP dear. It's a pity our doctors and nurses have resorted to playing ping-pong with people's lives. Karma will hang them soon.

She has been calling me and asking for the news media to do more for justice to be done.