scarred9jan:


why only white girls. i wanted to dash you my cousin... she needs to be "dereligionize"

I can manage her too ...lol

johnydon22:
An apple fruit, that has no apple tree is tantamount to nothing.
Even more so, still following the analogy, you say you are eating an apple fruit yet can't prove there really is an apple fruit simple shows the apple fruit is just in your head.
And then again that is the atheist position. . .You are talking about the sweetness of an apple fruit when you can't show the fruit, when you can't prove there is a fruit. . how can someone taste an apple fruit that can be passed as a mere illusionary projection on the part of you who claims there is an apple fruit, because once you cannot show there is its still is tantamount to NOTHING
still on the matter, tell me to try and unproved and remarkably unprovable concept. . You yourself say it's unprovable, then how come you got to try something that is unprovable. . . Aaaah the hook absurd notion of believing it by faith.

i.e: Maybe you think we were born and raised atheists..lol.. many of us were born and raised theists, we have tried tasting and we saw its just in your head
A television has a default home mode when switched on (unless yours do not have it)
Irreligious theist (am happy you have agreed belief is not synonymous to religion) fall within the confine of the default home screen mode. The t.v is just ON without being on any channel.

Religions are the channels. . . Nickelodeon, African magic.

Atheism simply means the T.V is OFF (belief in a deity is OFF)

NumberOne2:


What is this? I didn't say God is unprovable!!! I said:
[size=16pt]GOD IS UNPROVABLE BY MAN EXCEPT BY GOD HIMSELF!! Why cut the sentence half way

]THE APPLE FRUIT IS THE BIBLEwhich we can ALL SEE (it is not an illusion). It is VERY VISIBLE. I have said this before!
I say you have concluded, hence you have started misquoting me.

Please, when a TV is on, it shows something which is usually a channel.
What is default mode? Menu pop-ups? Are those channels?
So your analogy will be false without digital TV. Even at that, a well configure digital TV will show a channel when ON unless it is new? (like a new born baby). Flawed analogy.

I can rightly say you are just using a blank t.v. . . A television has a default home screen, in many old televisions its called the AV screen..You don't even know t.v's have default home screens...
#Pheeeeeeeew. . .

johnydon22:

I can rightly say you are just using a blank t.v. . . A television has a default home screen, in many old televisions its called the AV screen..You don't even know t.v's have default home screens...
#Pheeeeeeeew. . .

NumberOne2:


Correction: I am NOT trying to prove God cos I have said I cant; same as the ability to proove that God does NOT exist.

Bros, AV is a blank channel. I thought the Buddhist were blank. How many blanks are on this TV?

johnydon22:
That is exactly the point. . .You can't prove it, and an unproven concept remains a claim and cannot be disproved because there is nothing to disprove.

You can't prove or disprove the existence of a yellow white dark green diamond flying rabbit
My Goodness... am wowed honestly..
AV is a TV mode not a blank channel

this is what a blank channel looks like [img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKQaf78dmBpvacfuSNzIk-ELx5D-jeL3JN0N6Gu-WPlMjK3yvNZpY-MZ0[/img]

Nawa oo. . AV mode a channel? there is nothing one will not hear..
i represented buddhism(a religion) with the blank channel notion
And a theist that is not religiously affiliated as a t.v mode.. (AV)..it was plain and simple..

NumberOne2:


Hmmm, thats a blank channel? Its been a while I saw that. My TV shows a blue screen and I watch stuff on my AV channel, its not blank.

Anyway, to recap:
Atheism = Off
Theism = On (Irreligious Theist = AV, Religious Theist = Displaying channels, Religious Atheist (like buddhist et al) = Blank)

This is interesting that you put the religious Atheists like (Buddhist) under the "blank Theism" just ensure that Atheism is ONE. Kinda biased toward Atheism don't you think?

Concerning the rabbit analogy:
I totally agree. We cannot say it does or does not exist till we have exhausted all possibilities. However, we must not ridicle those who say it exists as from your ascertion, you dont know any better either.

Like I have maintained from the start, when next someone tells you about the golden rabbit (figuratively), just walk away or say thanks. Just like I would do if told about Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy. To begin to ridicle this perceived impossibility (when you are not 100% sure yourself) is a flawed argument in itself.

For the Apple example as the bible (God's word), like the saying The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Cheers

MizJanet:


@ bold , Lol , despite your rants your bible still say " man and animals have SAME spirit" ecc 3:19 , is that what you call nonsense ? U called your bible Nonsense , okayyy

malvisguy212:
ecc 3:19 was not talking about spirit, but SOUL remember I say animal is soulish creature. Let us quote the whole verse and then analysed it:

Ecc 3:19
Surely the fate of human beings is like
that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. ALL HAVE THE SAME BREATH ; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless.


Now, when the bible talk of breath, it mean soul and NOT spirit ,

MizJanet:

Malvisssssssss the bold is a VERY big Lie , the hebrew word rendered spirit , is the same rendered breath , /ruach/ , while soul is Nephesh


Ruach which means spirit/breath appreared in Eclesistes 3:19 , not soul/ nephesh stop lyingggggggggg

malvisguy212:
Genesis 2:7 say God breath on man and man became a living SOUL . The breath is the reason man became a living soul. Some bible translations , translated soul as heart and breath .

The word for "soul"in the Old Testament
is nephesh (the root word is breath) . Its has many meaning,life ,body ,heart , dead body,creature e.t.c

Some of these renderings may be
confusing . For instance, how can the
same word be translated "life," "body,"
and "dead body"?each meaning determined the context of the verse you are reading. For example:

Since those who are breathing still have "life," one of the meanings for nephesh is "life." Since the "body" is what we use to breathe with,one of the meanings for nephesh is "body." Since a "dead body" is what once breathed, one of the meanings for nephesh is "dead body." Thus, all three renderings of nephesh, though apparently quite different, are derived from the same basic meaning of the root word.

Now let look at what differentiate human and animal soul:
Genesis 1:21
"And God created great whales, and
every living CREATUR (nephesh, psuche)
that moveth, which the waters brought
forth abundantly, after their kind, and
every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good"

This verse emphasised God created soul for animal "creature is one of the root word for soul (nephesh,psuche) The same Hebrew phrase for "living soul" is also found in vs. 20.

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth
the living CREATURE (nephesh, psuche)
after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing,and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so" (Gen. 1:24).

According to this second occurrence of the word for "soul" in the Bible, animals are "souls."

BUT read this, how man BECAME a soul:
Genesis2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the
dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man
became a living SOUL (nephesh, psuche)

Unlike animal He BECAME a"soul"rather than received a "soul."you see the different.

"And after three days and an half the
Spirit (pneuma) of life from God entered
into them, and they stood upon their
feet" Rev. 11:11.
It wasn't their own "spirit" that came back into them. It was the breath of life from God.

malvisguy212:
is this

Chimpanzee can make moral choice ? Proved it please.

God is a spirit, is human a spirit ? Foolish atheist (sorry) what do you understand in the book of john 1 ?

malvisguy212:
[s]Genesis 2:7 say God breath on man and man became a living SOUL . The breath is the reason man became a living soul. Some bible translations , translated soul as heart and breath .

The word for "soul"in the Old Testament
is nephesh (the root word is breath) . Its has many meaning,life ,body ,heart , dead body,creature e.t.c

Some of these renderings may be
confusing . For instance, how can the
same word be translated "life," "body,"
and "dead body"?each meaning determined the context of the verse you are reading. For example:

Since those who are breathing still have "life," one of the meanings for nephesh is "life." Since the "body" is what we use to breathe with,one of the [/s]

MizJanet:

Just admit u lied , there is nothing like soul in ecc 3:19 .
.......
Your long epistle confirms man himself is soul , HE NEVER RECEIVE any silly soul . good

twister , are you saying animals dont have breath of life ? U wan disgrace yourself today

dalaman:



http://m.livescience.com/24802-animals-have-morals-book.html





You said man is created in the image and likeness of God. If that is true then why is man not invisible?

malvisguy212:
I am busy now, I will click the link later.

Man was CREATED, you only see what you created, you cannot created invincible thing.

malvisguy212:
ecc 3:19 say breath (soul) I gave you an example,

the same word is used in Genesis2:7. Man BECAME a soul but animal received a soul. If you cannot understand this .

dalaman:


If I create a robot in my image and likeness, you'll expect the robot to be physical and in my form. God created man in his image and likeness yet man remains physical while God is invisible. That's a load of crap in my opinion.

malvisguy212:
I am busy now, I will click the link later.

Man was CREATED, you only see what you created, you cannot created invincible thing.

johnydon22:
Just to be clear, exactly the same place you go. They stay dead, dead people don't go anywhere because they are fvcking dead

Weah96:


Funny, I've never really considered this creation of man in the SAME image and likeness business. It means that the God is a human being. Gatiano must hear this.

MizJanet:


Breath is soul ! Buhahahaha . Malvis you need help . The hebrew dialect rendered soul is Nephesh , but it didnt appear in ecc 3:19 at all , what appear is /ruach/ which means " spirit/breath" .

You need serious help .


Confuse man, your bible diferentiate between breath and soul

" and the LORD God formed the man out of dust , and breath into his nostrils the [BREATH (rua'ch) of life and the man became a living Soul ( Nephesh)" .

Breath is ruach (spirit) NOT soul/nephesh . The distiction is clear .


Answer me : do animals have breath of life ? or u want me to point it for you in your bible again .

malvisguy212:
alright, it seem you do not understand my first explanation:

The old testament was written in Hebrew and the new testament mostly Greek,this two language must be understand base on the translations of this language (God will not override his writers freewill just to contradicte this tribe), now pay attention:

The word for "soul"in the Old Testament
is nephesh. Nephesh is translated in
following ways

beast
body
BREATH
creature
dead
dead body
desire
Life
Some of this word may be confusing because how can different word mean soul ? Here is the answer:

The Hebrew word of nephesh's is soul, the root word is "to BREATH." Since those who are breathing still have "life," one of the meanings for nephesh is "LIFE." Since the "body" is what we use to breathe with, one of the meanings for nephesh is "BODY." Since a "dead body" is what once breathed, one of the meanings for nephesh is "DEAD BODY." Thus, all three renderings of nephesh, though apparently quite different, are derived from the same basic meaning of the root word.

In the New Testament the word for "soul" is psuche. Psuche is translated in the following ways:
heart
life
make doubt
mind
soul
I maintain, ecc 3:19 was not talking about spirit but soul.

Note: there are some bible verse that the writers interpret soul and spirit as the same. Sometime the writer gave "spirit" and" soul" attribute they do not deserve.

malvisguy212

I maintain, ecc 3:19 was not talking about spirit but soul.

MizJanet:

Lol @underlined

Young Literal Translation


For an event is to the sons of men, and an event is to the beasts, even one event is to them; as the death of this, so is the death of that. and one SPIRIT is to all , and the advantage of man above the beast is nothing, for the whole is vanity .
- Ecc 3:19

Can you see the colored part ; just tell me that bible is a lie or admit you are the liar

malvisguy212:
[s]out of All the translations, only young literal translation use spirit. Check it here http://biblehub.com/ecclesiastes/3-19.htm

What you are asking for required deep translation that is above you, but I will just give you some reason.

Among the root word for spirit and soul is breath , this meaning(breath) interwoven both spirit and soul, there are some attribute spirit and soul do not possessed but the writers gave them this attribute for proper understanding , this is not a contradiction,the writers personified both the spirit and soul, in doing this, he give the soul attribute that he did not possessed, let me give you a good example , the MIND and HEART:

The most familiar example of a part of a
person being personified is the heart.
The heart, simply an organ that pumps
blood, is said to have qualities that the
mind does have, but that the heart
definitely does not have. Example is this bible verse:
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MizJanet:



You need serious help .


Confuse man, your bible diferentiate between breath and soul

" and the LORD God formed the man out of dust , and breath into his nostrils the [BREATH (rua'ch) of life and the man became a living Soul ( Nephesh)" .

Breath is ruach (spirit) NOT soul/nephesh . The distiction is clear .

menesheh:



What if you can't explain or demonstrate evidence of soul and spirit, does anything make them real?

johnydon22:

So after all this where you pointed out how other religions have not proven theirs, you want to tell us you have proven yours?

Is it not a worse form of delusion?

johnw74:


[s]
@bold, The word for breath in Gen 2:7 is not "ruach", stop your lying
the word is "neshamah"




The word for breath in Gen 2:7 is not "ruach" but "neshamah"
and it doesn't just mean "ruach", stop the lies
it can mean both spirit and soul, it can also mean wind, inspiration, intellect etc, boy you dummy

H5397

נְשָׁמָה
neshâmâh
nesh-aw-maw'
From H5395; a puff, that is, wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect or (concretely) an animal: - blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.
Total KJV occurrences: 24
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