hahn:


These your anologies only promote selfishness. He craftsman is only carving something HE wants and not to the benefit of the wood because by cutting the wood he has only succeeded to kill the wood and it is no more aware of its existence.

The cook only wants to eat. Will the fish eat a part of the meal?

I'm only training the chickens because I want to it eat. How does eating the chicken enhance its worth?

Guy, go back to your alien story. Nollywood needs someone like you

5minsmadness:


And where did Jesus come from? OR GOD? Are they of this earth?


alien
[eyl-yuh n, ey-lee-uh n]

Synonyms
Examples
Word Origin

noun
1. a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization (distinguished from citizen).
2. a foreigner.
3. a person who has been estranged or excluded.
4. a creature from outer space; extraterrestrial.

herald9:
Fairy tale amplified.

But come to think of it, will humans be able to stand the sight of people who doesn't look like them?
Some will freak out(take a ghost for example ),some will run helter-skelter,others might take up arms against them...

I'm not sure we've 'evolved' enough to that level of co-habiting with such people who doesn't have physical attributes like us. Humans were meant to live with humans, not otherwise.

mrZENographer:


The question is not whether they are of this world but rather who is the Creator. Bible made us knw that all creatures were created by d word of God. And John 1:1 makes us knw who the word of God is:Jesus Christ. Demons or so called aliens are rebellious agents and their assignment is to deceive mankind so they can share in their eternal damnation. BEWARE oo.

Hiswordxray:

The aliens are already among you but we took a form similar to that of the human to avoid problem like you described. But this human form is limiting our super ability and soon we would eliminate all humans and live here on earth with our true form.
So you either join us or die

herald9:

I rather die with human than live with aliens.

If this your tale is leading to the Bible then you are missing something.

People didn't like the rule of your god, that's why they rebelled and sent him packing.

People don't like totalitarian type of leadership. They want a system in which you can voice out your opinions and grudges without being massacred.

Following from your Bible, It's clear that this god was a tyrant, a terrible dictator. He wanted people to follow him like robots without complains or suggestions.

So my questions are, If people weren't satisfied with the leadership of your god during that time, how are you sure they'll be satisfied this time around?
Is it that your god discovered his mistakes in the long run and want to try again by sending Jesus as the emissary?

What will be the position of god when Jesus is the king- the king's father?

And generally, why does god need our prayers, worship and praises, is it that without these things he's dead?

cc 5minsmadness

herald9:

I rather die with human than live with aliens.

If this your tale is leading to the Bible then you are missing something.

People didn't like the rule of your god, that's why they rebelled and sent him packing.

People don't like totalitarian type of leadership. They want a system in which you can voice out your opinions and grudges without being massacred.

Following from your Bible, It's clear that this god was a tyrant, a terrible dictator. He wanted people to follow him like robots without complains or suggestions.

So my questions are, If people weren't satisfied with the leadership of your god during that time, how are you sure they'll be satisfied this time around?
Is it that your god discovered his mistakes in the long run and want to try again by sending Jesus as the emissary?

What will be the position of god when Jesus is the king- the king's father?

And generally, why does god need our prayers, worship and praises, is it that without these things he's dead?

cc 5minsmadness

5minsmadness:

GOD doesnt need anybody. We are the ones that
need Him.

You watched "Immortals" and "Clash of the titans"
and think that it is our prayers that sustain GOD?

Hiswordxray:
People doesn't like His rule because they don't understand Him and they don't understand Him because they are not His kind. This is why He sent His Son to turn us into His kind (an alien).
Now that we are now of the same kind with Him we agree with His ways and rulership because we understand Him.

So stop giving excuses and join the aliens, you would never regret it. But if you refuse you shall be destroyed when we invade your planet.

herald9:
You need medical attention.

herald9:
You are an amazing human being. Your professionalism in retelling these Jewish history,beliefs and mythology is plausible...

But then, you ended up saying nothing.

How can someone create What he doesn't need. That's waste of resources now?

Why should we need him when he doesn't need us? Is it proper to force yourself on someone against their wish?


Of course It's your prayers and worship that sustains god and keeps it valid. Without people's acknowledgement, it would've been a dead entity by now.

As human needs air to survive, so do gods need continuous acknowledgments and worship. That's why they bring up all sorts of propaganda and threats to scare their worshippers into duty-bound worship.

They leave you with series of promises to be fulfilled If only you'll worship them and only them.

When you realize yourself and break away from this bondage that's when your existence starts.

It's funny how you accuse other gods of demanding sacrifices when yours is notorious in such acts. Do you know how many animals were slaughtered and burnt up for your god? Where did Jephthah's daughter go to? And when you talk about Jesus being a sacrifice, who did he sacrifice himself to?

Maybe you're too blinded to discover that all religions are the same. All of them demand sacrifices cause they think It's the right way to atone for their wrongdoing which you call sin.

5minsmadness:

Now men are lovers of themselves, lovers of money and lovers of thier knowledge(technology). They laugh and scorn and say "There is no God."

5minsmadness:

Well then from your analogy we humans woluld cease to exist if we stopped using smartphones right? Or electricity or cars or aeroplanes or... U get my drift.
If man's existence does not depend on man-made things why would God's existence depend on his creations

Television has always been the tool of the devil. I know it sounds very extreme (deeper-life ish) but look at it critically. Anybody can put anything on TV or in movies and laypeople immediately take it in like it's real.
Do you really believe Spartacus fvcked women on top of tables for his master's entertainment?

You think our girls are not influenced by the nak3d fashion they see thier "models" wearing on TV? Or the guys aren't influenced by the vulgar affluence and wealth of world renowned rappers and sportsmen?

Have u watched the series Dominion? It tells how God's angels came down to earth to kill all of mankind and man's struggle to fight back. And it's a series which means people are going to be watching it all the time FROM season 1 to 5 and goodness knows how many episodes.

You think most people watching that series will still see God's angels or GOD for that matter in good light?

You got to give the devil marks for subtlety.

And you want to compare Animal sacrifices with Human sacrifices abi? I haven't laughed in Spanish in a long time! Bwarhahahaha!

Sacrifice has to do with the life force being offered. And in most creatures the life force is in the blood. Without that blood there can be no life. It is the ultimate sacrifice you can offer any diety.

Now God was always specific about shedding of human blood. He abhors it vehemently. The cases of Jephthah and the other king who offered Human sacrifices to GOD were of thier own doing and not at God's request. In fact Hiswordxray should furnish me with the part of scripture of the king who sacrificed his child when the Isrealites were destroying his kingdom. GOD was fighting for the Isrealites o, but had to stop the fight immediately the king did that cos He knew the magnitude of that act.

The only 'human' sacrifice GOD has ever accepted was HIS OWN SON JESUS CHRIST and even this was at Jesus Christ's request. It shows the magnitude of the sacrifice Christ made on the cross for ALL of mankind, once and for all for all humanity. The blood of a God offered freely in the form of a man. Even in pagan rituals there is no greater sacrifice than one who offers himself willingly.


Unfortunately man has belittled this sacrifice. He has taken God for granted and has gone his own way. Only a select few remain faithful just as the bible fortold. Now men are lovers of themselves, lovers of money and lovers of thier knowledge(technology). They laugh and scorn and say "There is no God."

And yet when ever something bad happens to them, when some great tragedy occurs, they look up to the heavens and shake thier fists in anger, blaming a "non-existent God" for thier man made predicament.

hahn:


Has there ever been a time when men were NOT lovers of themselves, of money or their knowledge? Even the earliest men discovered fire. Has there ever been a time when there were no wars, suffering, sickness, natural disasters etc since "god" created the earth? Why should I believe that god can guarantee everlasting peace since he has been unable to achieve it in the history of creation?

Since god revealed himself so much in Israel to prove that he was existent, why hasn't he seen it fit to "speak from the cloud" to prove that he truly exists in more than 2000years since the bible era?

5minsmadness:


Hey, don't blame GOD for man's chaos!

But we can blame the devil even thought god created him, right?

Every time the Israelite obeyed GOD and lives according to His commands there was peace and harmony! They had plenty to eat and drink, everybody enjoyed thier rights, no oppression by the rich and greedy. Thier enemies were for from them. And, wonder of wonders, thier neighbors who adopted the GOD of the Israelite began to experience peace and harmony as well..

I hope you realise that Israels enemies also regarded them as enemies. Every time god commanded Israel to attack their "enemies" families were destroyed, homes were broken, loved ones were lost etc

The problem with man is his sinful nature. Once man starts to enjoy himself he seems to forget where he comes from and who has helped him. He forgets about those around him in need of help and he becomes selfish, greedy, inconsiderate and drunk with power. You don't need to go far to see examples of what I am talking about. If you have experienced any of your relatives who rose from grass to grace most often their character changes. They feel they are the all in all, that they are gods. Those who would have lent you a listening ear at any opportunity will now start dodging you or telling you to book an appointment with thier secretary.
The past governor of delta state was my family friend. We all knew him when he was driving his Volkswagen and sweating it out as a doctor. The moment he entered power it was like he became someone else. I had to book an appointment with his wife, not even him o cos to see him at anytime was impossible. His wife knew who we were nd yet told her secretary to send us back that she was busy. We underwent this treatment until no one told us 'levels had changed'.

Revenge is sweet, gratitude is a burden

Power has a way of turning a man's head.

That is why the whites are leading the campaign in the 'There is no God' movement. They have forgotten what it was like during the wars. How close they were to him then cos they needed him, they needed hope. They even put GOD in thier constitution and coins. "In GOD we trust.". As soon as they became an established world power and had a few decades of Peace they 'became wise' and suddenly realised GOD doesn't exist abi? Issorait.

name one war that god helped stopped. The whites are only beginning to understand there is no need praising your imagination for your achievements

When the chaos starts remember this post and don't dare blame it on GOD.

The earliest men were closer to GOD and the gods than you'll ever know. Read up on Mayan history, the Aztecs and even ancient Egypt. With all thier technology they still worshipped thier gods and gave credit where credit was due. Even fire was worshipped.

so now, the fact that they worshipped fire justifies the fact they worshipped god? It only proves what they are, ancients. How can you compare people whose greatest weapon was the bow and arrow with a people whose least weapon is a gun

But I will agree with you that this cycle isn't new. Man worships God as a society and that society blossoms and prospers so much that man forgets God and beats his chest that it's all his own doing. Then major catastrophe occurs and in his despair man remembers God.

Man worships god till they realise that no one except himself is responsible for his failures or his success. That realisation is what gives them reason to abandon their primitive beliefs. So while Europe and other civilised countries are enjoying development and relative peace without "god" Africans, like yourself, continue to live in abject poverty, with lack of basic infrastructure, lack of development and overall crises with the belief in "god". Seems like god is useless afterall

There is nothing new under the sun.

correct

herald9:

1. Those things you mentioned are inanimate objects. We created them to enhance living. But you outrightly stated that god doesn't need us, so my question was why he created us in the first place.

Since we are all living things, we have the abilities to walk, talk, reproduce and most importantly, reason- independently. Those objects you mentioned up there can't do any of those and will cease to function without our interference. Therefore they are part of our living and not part our existence.
But do we need a god or several gods to function too?

2. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an atheist. I believe in a Creator, but not an egoistic, narcissistic, totalitarian and dictatorial monster who craves for worship from his supposed creations and will do anything to get it even to the extent of threatening, killing, maiming and massacring them -just to get praise and worship!

3. A god is a figment of the human mind, an extension of human imagination, a craft to keep humans in bondage and suppress their sense reasoning. A tool used by certain humans in controlling the thinking and behaviour of other 'lower' humans and using them to gain wealth or carry out nefarious acts.


You're influenced by What you chose to believe or addicted to, and people should be able to use their discretion in certain things. But I wonder why a Christian should be watching such movies.


The movie was kinda funny sha I must admit. They said god died and humans were responsible, so the angels came down to avenge his death. That's funny.

Back to business. I really don't care whatever light they like to paint your god and its extraterrestrial beings. I'm not a believer.



4. Blood is blood, whether from man or animal. Any being or spirits that requires blood or flesh in order to survive is either a cannibal or vampire.
5. You didn't address my question, instead you performed gymnastic with words and arrived at a conclusion that is only sensible to you.

Thanks for your athleticism.

5minsmadness:

3. See why I say you are confused? In one paragraph you claim to believe in a creator and in the next you claim God is a fiction of human imagination! Confused atheist wanna be.

herald9:

I forgot to clarify some issues in that post, I knew you'll take advantage of it. Twas my mistake tho.

To me, a god and a creator are two different things entirely, that's why I told you I believe in a creator but not in a god. Though Christians use these synonymously, I beg to differ.

A creator might be a 'force' or an 'energy' responsible for all existence. It is the force that creates, transforms and doesn't interfere in the activities of It's creation. Simply put, the Creator is a source of life.

In the other hand, a god is a human creation, who is assigned every human characteristics, like physique, colour, residence, tribe, names and most importantly, feelings.
This is why you see a god being jealous, getting angry, feeling hungry, demanding a token from humans, etc.

A god demands praise, worship and continous acknowledgements from humans in order to keep existing and to stay relevant, a creator does not as your mere existence is an evidence to it's existence too.

In summary, we were created and left to our own devices, man created god to fill in the unknown blanks of life.

But we can blame the devil even thought god created him, right?

I hope you realise that Israels enemies also regarded them as enemies. Every time god commanded Israel to attack their "enemies" families were destroyed, homes were broken, loved ones were lost etc

Revenge is sweet, gratitude is a burden

name one war that god helped stopped. The whites are only beginning to understand there is no need praising your imagination for your achievements

so now, the fact that they worshipped fire justifies the fact they worshipped god? It only proves what they are, ancients. How can you compare people whose greatest weapon was the bow and arrow with a people whose least weapon is a gun

Man worships god till they realise that no one except himself is responsible for his failures or his success. That realisation is what gives them reason to abandon their primitive beliefs. So while Europe and other civilised countries are enjoying development and relative peace without "god" Africans, like yourself, continue to live in abject poverty, with lack of basic infrastructure, lack of development and overall crises with the belief in "god". Seems like god is useless afterall

herald9:

I forgot to clarify some issues in that post, I knew you'll take advantage of it. Twas my mistake tho.

To me, a god and a creator are two different things entirely, that's why I told you I believe in a creator but not in a god. Though Christians use these synonymously, I beg to differ.

A creator might be a 'force' or an 'energy' responsible for all existence. It is the force that creates, transforms and doesn't interfere in the activities of It's creation. Simply put, the Creator is a source of life.


In summary, we were created and left to our own devices,.............

Hiswordxray:
Thousands of years ago a creature from another universe invades planet earth. He is profoundly different from us earthlings. Although he looks like a human but he isn't. He is a unique creation from a unique world. He is an alien. He got his human body when he was planted in a woman's womb.

As this alien enters into adulthood, he begins to teach the principles that govern his world. These principles operate on a higher plane than those that govern our world. He also demonstrates these principles in visible action. He is directed by a voice from another realm, the realm from which he came.

He has the capacity to receive two forms of nourishment: one human and another that comes from his own world. Again and again, this creature mystifies and perplexes those who observe him. No one can quite figure him out. His message is deeply challenging. It flies in the face of all cherished tradition—political, social, and religious. It confronts the status quo.

More surprising, he becomes the champion of outcasts, some of whom are notorious. He gravitates toward the marginalized, the poor, the oppressed, and the downtrodden—the “scum of the earth.” His message is scandalously inclusive. It excludes no one, except for those who resist its radical inclusivity.
His revolutionary message and behavior quickly furnish him with enemies. This creature is a threat to the wealthy, to the powerful, and mostly, to the religious. His enemies stand in line to try and trap him with his own words. They seek to put him into a box of their own making. He, however, refuses to be put into anyone’s box. With unbroken consistency, he transcends the boxes erected by mere mortals. His thoughts are unique. His ways are uncommon. He is completely “other” than humanity, on every level.


One of the centerpieces of this creature’s message is that he is not native to planet earth. Instead, he has been sent from another realm. And more: He announces that he is a ruler in that other realm. He is a king from another universe.
But more startling, he proclaims that he has come to establish his rulership on planet earth. Specifically, he has been sent to establish a colony of his own kind that will represent his rule. And that colony will eventually take over the planet. On the heels of this alarming message, he issues a call to action.

He invites all earthlings to abandon their way of life, and instead, embrace his way. He beckons them to yield their lives to his rulership and to shape their conduct by the principles that regulate his world. In short, he demands that all humans pay complete allegiance to his kingship.
What happens next is as strange as it is shocking. He announces that he will suddenly leave the planet and return in a different form. And when he returns, he will impart his own nature into those who wish to have it. The result? He shall reintroduce his own species on planet earth. Those who submit to him will become part of his species, citizens of his world, and they, along with him, will eventually rule the universe.

Many are threatened by his message. It’s a scandal, a bold affront to the powers that be. So they put him to death, for only three days. But as he promised, he returns in another form and sets up a colony of his own kind on earth.

Story Continue...

ratatis:



Interesting debates! I am learning!

@herald9
To expand your repertoire:
Since there is a "force" or "energy" that creates, there must also be another force or energy that holds or keeps binding what has been created together, for an indefinite time.
There must also be yet another force - a destructive force - that disintegrates or dissolves or destroys what has been created & bonded together by the two aforementioned forces, respectively.
This is the basis if the Hindu Trinity of Forces, namely, BRAHMA + VISHNU + SHIVA.

5minsmadness:


So you believe in a Creator but not the image of God or gods as painted by human beings as being dictatorial, tyrannical and demanding worship but rather a Creator who made man and then left him to his devices.

I wonder when and where you got this idea though. Think about it and try and figure out where the idea came from.

It's not a bad perspective. It is possible GOD got tired of the whole humanity thing and decided to leave us to our own devices sef, let us do as we deem fit. There's a story of an "Iron dome covering all the earth and keeping God from man until armageddon" that sort of tallies with what you are saying here.

I won't counter it. Fight against the man made perception of god you have been brought up to believe. It doesn't stop you from living a good life.

yorubadelta:
Dammn! 5minsmadness stays dropping pure KNOWLEDGE here
I'm reading and learning

5minsmadness:

Happy sunday

herald9:
Are you a Hindu?

BuddhaPalm:


Guy, stop claiming someone else's work as yours. Was about to give you props, until I made a little search.

Content is from a book: From Eternity to Here: Rediscovering the Ageless Purpose of God, by a Frank Viola

Hiswordxray:

The post was an extract from a book (From Eternity To Here pg 223-225) by Frank Viola. It is a book about God's eternal purpose. The book was written to unveil the glorious bride and the divine romance between Christ and his Church.