Toyolad:
#clears throat#...many a times, our feelings,emotions and our culture tend to cloud our way of reasoning.We tend to appeal to our unwritten laws which we feel so closely connected to, this makes us hastily judge issues without critically assessing and analyzing them..one of these issues is the issue about the rightness or better still, the wrongness of homosexuality.

Dear critical thinkers, as reason beckons on us...let's state our positions on this issue that has almost divided citizens of our world into two factions.

Is homosexuality right or wrong ?

cc; fynestboi, Damosky12,freemanan,yusuph1986, arcnomec,yielding....waiting for our contribution(s).

Freemanan:


It's a matter of choice and perception.... it's a relative issue that must be left to the discretion of the parties. On an objective note, I don't see anything repulsive in it (even though I can't engage in it).

Most people say it is not natural. Well, heterosexual is also not natural. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with nature. JUST procreate and nature has been fulfilled...

So I really don't see anything wrong with homosexual

If you see nothing repulsive in it then why CANT you engage in it??

'just procreate and nature has been fulfilled'...by this, do u mean that nature has not been fulfilled if procreation has not happened?... if yes, how?...if no,why and how?

Toyolad:
#clears throat#...many a times, our feelings,emotions and our culture tend to cloud our way of reasoning.We tend to appeal to our unwritten laws which we feel so closely connected to, this makes us hastily judge issues without critically assessing and analyzing them..one of these issues is the issue about the rightness or better still, the wrongness of homosexuality.

Dear critical thinkers, as reason beckons on us...let's state our positions on this issue that has almost divided citizens of our world into two factions.

Is homosexuality right or wrong ?

cc; fynestboi, Damosky12,freemanan,yusuph1986, arcnomec,yielding....waiting for our contribution(s).

Toyolad:
#clears throat#...many a times, our feelings,emotions and our culture tend to cloud our way of reasoning.We tend to appeal to our unwritten laws which we feel so closely connected to, this makes us hastily judge issues without critically assessing and analyzing them..one of these issues is the issue about the rightness or better still, the wrongness of homosexuality.

Dear critical thinkers, as reason beckons on us...let's state our positions on this issue that has almost divided citizens of our world into two factions.

Is homosexuality right or wrong ?

cc; fynestboi, Damosky12,freemanan,yusuph1986, arcnomec,yielding....waiting for our contribution(s).

promisechild:



Good and Bad are two objective properties that can not be broken into components meaning what is good is good and what is bad is bad.


I strongly believe that nature does nothing in vain. Have you ever imagined why did nature furnished woman with a Virginia or do you think it just there for decoration and why did nature also furnish man with the long thing under them?



Using the philosophy of the sophist father(Protagoras) "Man is the measure of all things" as a support for homosexuality is absurd because there are things we know that are good and bad which is being guided by what is called the natural law. I don't think there is any society that encourages the killing of ones fellow human simply because we know it is bad to indulge in such act.


Following the philosophy of St Thomas Aquinas he presented 6 inclinations of man that decide or show what is good which are enumerated as follows

1. Educating ones offsprings

2. Living in a society

3.Having the knowledge of God

4. Self Preservation

5. Having Heterosexual activities


6. can't remember it for now

promisechild:



Good and Bad are two objective properties that can not be broken into components meaning what is good is good and what is bad is bad.


I strongly believe that nature does nothing in vain. Have you ever imagined why did nature furnished woman with a Virginia or do you think it just there for decoration and why did nature also furnish man with the long thing under them?



Using the philosophy of the sophist father(Protagoras) "Man is the measure of all things" as a support for homosexuality is absurd because there are things we know that are good and bad which is being guided by what is called the natural law. I don't think there is any society that encourages the killing of ones fellow human simply because we know it is bad to indulge in such act.


Following the philosophy of St Thomas Aquinas he presented 6 inclinations of man that decide or show what is good which are enumerated as follows

1. Educating ones offsprings

2. Living in a society

3.Having the knowledge of God

4. Self Preservation

5. Having Heterosexual activities


6. can't remember it for now

dake40:



I wouldn't waste time on this


I will argue for homosexuality ( abeg o, I no be gay o)

WHY?
The arguments posted above me are more or less against Homosexuality

How could knowledge be attained with out being
sceptical or double minded?

Epistemology grew up via the influence of the sophists.

When someone doubts your idea, then you are challenged!... It gives you sleepless mind.

I respect opinions and honour truth

I believe that "Truth is universal but not objective"


Ones opinion, ideas, thought, philosophy are influenced by
A, ones environment
B, ones culture,
C biological influence
D, religion
E, the way someone sees,perceives and interpretes things e.t.c

No fact is objective
I will subscribe to egoism syllogistically.

Egoism is an ethical theory of self interest as the foundation of. "ALL" morality

Homosexuality is favoured by Egoism

Therefore homosexuality is moral.



Man is the measure of all things
- Protagoras

dake40:



I wouldn't waste time on this


I will argue for homosexuality ( abeg o, I no be gay o)

WHY?
The arguments posted above me are more or less against Homosexuality

How could knowledge be attained with out being
sceptical or double minded?

Epistemology grew up via the influence of the sophists.

When someone doubts your idea, then you are challenged!... It gives you sleepless mind.

I respect opinions and honour truth

I believe that "Truth is universal but not objective"


Ones opinion, ideas, thought, philosophy are influenced by
A, ones environment
B, ones culture,
C biological influence
D, religion
E, the way someone sees,perceives and interpretes things e.t.c

No fact is objective
I will subscribe to egoism syllogistically.

Egoism is an ethical theory of self interest as the foundation of. "ALL" morality

Homosexuality is favoured by Egoism

Therefore homosexuality is moral.



Man is the measure of all things
- Protagoras

Toyolad:
hmmm..you seem to posit that the major reason for engaging in sexual activities is to procreate or fulfil natural laws..makes me want to ask....can natural laws be broken? , remember they are different from human laws.. if yes, are they still natural laws then?? and if no,how then have humans, particularly homosexuals been able to pervert one or most of them.

Not forgetting that some heterosexuals are also guilty of perverting natural laws( if they can be perverted tho)
Cc; damosky12, dake40 , fynestboi , freemanan and others

Toyolad:

first of all, I say welcome on board sir.
I would like you to tell us what it means for an idea or a concept to be objective, how a concept can be universal but not objective.

do actions that are egoistic in nature necessary lead to the happiness of persons involved?...can cting based on self interest ONLY be adopted as a universal law?

just trying to be Socratic in order to understand your points sir.

and...is a subjective thinker a true philosopher and is someone like that supposed to engage in any argument at all?? since he believes in subjectivity of ideas and consequently, relativity?

promisechild:




What are natural laws? natural laws are immutable, immanent, unchangeable laws which are subset of the divine laws.


You asked can natural laws be broken?


Answer - yes it can be broken that is why we have the entity "Bad"



You asked if yes can they still be called natural laws- The natural law being broken does not take anything from the essence of natural law. These laws are universal and objective in nature. According to Oloruntoba violating the natural laws is the act of committing sin against nature.




Hence



What is good is good and what is bad is bad and these two concepts are objective properties that can not be broken into particles.

dake40:



Thanks for the compliment

""""""""" what does it means for an idea
or a concept to be objective, how a concept can be
universal but not objective"""""""""""


Objectivity is a central philosophical concept,
related to reality and truth, objectivity means the
state or quality of being true even outside of an
"individual"


Universality is, the character or state of
being universal; existence or prevalence everywhere



Could any truth be Objective?

Killing has been condemned by nearly "All" countries(Objectively)
Still, some countries issue out firearm to some individuals legally due to self protection..

Are they not contradicting?


Abortion has been condemned by "nearly all" countries(Objectively)

Still the "pro choice" have backed up Abortion

I still stand to be convinced to believe that there is one objective truth in the universe....

The fact still remains that at least 1% percent will turn down truth. Which makes it odd.


Universality of knowledge,truth,reality backs it that regardless of the rejection or prejudice, truth still remains and its the One.

" That death awaits all mankind is a Universal philosophical concept ( either you accept or not, it will meet you someday).


Do you know two of the major attributes of truth ?

Truth is certain

Truth is 100%

And when at least 1 out of 100 denied it, then It can never be called Objective truth but rather Universal......




""""""""""""do actions that are egoistic in nature necessary lead
to the happiness of persons involved?""""""""""



Rational egoism says "an action is "rational" only and only if it maximises one's "self interest".

"Self interest distinct from "selfishness"

Self-interest is essential for one's "happiness and
well being"

Selfishness
Concerned excessively or exclusively with
oneself orseeking or concentrating on one's own
advantage, pleasure, or well-being "without regard
for others"


""""""""""""""""""can cting
based on self interest ONLY be adopted as a
universal law?"""""""""""""""""



Not clear



"""""""and...is a subjective thinker a true philosopher and
is someone like that supposed to engage in any
argument at all?? since he believes in subjectivity of
ideas and consequently, relativity?
""""""""""

Thanks so much for this question. I'd really love to known the aspect you subscribe to before I answer this question.

Are you a permanent subjective thinker or permanent Objective thinker?

Mind you, you can't belong to the both classes! But one....

My reply awaits your answer!

Toyolad:

How can an immutable and unchangeable law be broken?
is it the case that it was suspended while being broken or it was tweaked for a purpose?...in any case, this looks to me to be two contradictory positions which demands synthesis sir.


chai..guess I've missed a lot oh

Fynestboi:
Hello here.

dake40:


Cogito ego sum

Fynestboi:
Can we get back to book here

dake40:



That will be cool!.....



Philosophers gone Awol! Lol!

Toyolad:
Hello here....The silence here fit deafen ears ooh...Wake up ooh, Athenians have sinned against philosophy, Galileo has been killed ooh, Anaxagoras has been exiled ooh, Bacon has been found guilty oh, many philosophers have died trying to find truths that they couldn't see and have been condemned for not seeing what others are seeing oh
.
..And now, philosophy herself is dying in Nigeria, in Africa and in the world at large... who is responsible for its death We her students or the children she birthed (science, pol science et all).

CBC:Freemanan,dake40, fynestboi, promise child, damosky12 nd others. :'

dake40:
I hail from Adekunle ajasin university Akungba Akoka. A 300l student of this noble department




Let's the keep the fun rolling