Malthuss:

this lesbian and gay thingy is permeating the moral fabric of our country. Enter any school of nursing from north to south of nigeria una go shock at the level of homo wey dey go on (especially lesbos)
those of una wey dey find nurse to marry, make una beware. . .she may leave u for another woman

This is very unfortunate and sad for the country to be going through such at this point in time. These people should understand that Nigeria and Nigerians are not psychologically or mentally fit to deal with issues like these as against what they might be hearing or seeing going on in the western world.
Generally speaking, I think there is no need for the national assembly either to be debating on issues like this as there are much more important things to look into for the benefits of Nigeria and Nigerians such employment and age discriminations in jobs. This is because the prohibition of anything sexual between same sex is being taking care of by our Religious, traditional and cultural institutions as well as the society as a whole. We all know it is something that is not welcomed in the society and people cant even come out to public. But with this development, people are coming out to make history and gain fame sort of, lol. This is in order to gain recognition internationally and which might be a boost on their gay activist career. Also I trust Nigerians are good at breaking laws, when u tell a Nigerian not to cross that line, that’s is when he would want to cross it. Very soon Nigerians seeking to travel to the so called paradise of the western world would start committing gay offences in order to gain asylum in the gay free western world even though they are not gays. Watch and see!!!

I am not NOT A GAY rights advocate - I just FIRMLY believe in the guaranteed dignity of man within the framework of law and order, which by extension means I strongly advocate the rights of EVERY MAN AND WOMAN to pursue happiness in a socially "correct" manner - essentially the human spirit is indomitable!!! Some people are born with physical disabilities, some others are born with mental disorders, others still are born with "sexual transposition" as long as they ALL abide by the laws of the land they should be protected by it. Surely we have enough misery in this nation shack of ours - we don't need to add wanton persecution to it - we should NEVER EVER be allowed the right to discriminate against people simply because we don't agree with what they do with their bodies in their own private time and space.   typical of our "RAWmakers" to throw up non-issues as decoys for their complete inability to act for the greater good of the people.

Knowingly or unknowingly to you exist the fact that there is a mental and physical attraction between same sexes and that same-sex sex is taking place right under your nose, in your house, in your school, in your workplace, in the national assembly, in the presidency, in your neighbourhood, in your village, in your town, in your city, in your state, in the country as whole. Now the question is

"How many offenders do you think you can get under this law?"

Probably the whole of Nigeria and every member of the so called national assembly (hypocrites).

people have right to be whatever they want.
Nigerians GET OVER IT, they have every rightto be Gay. It's their life, not yours.

I wonder, we get pissed off when a black person is killed or mistreated for being black, yet we allow the mistreat of gays.
It's not a personal choice, it's something you're born with. Jeez, they should be given rights in Nigeria.

Something needs to be done urgently,but i don't trust those politicians some of them might ne outright gay.Funny enough i stumbled upon some gay porn and it was totally repulsive!God has a reason for making opposite pairs attract.Look at the case of the magnet for example:Opposite poles attract and like poles repel.We where never created to be 'gay'.

Take those Bull s**t T shirt off those children and let them be children JO, !!!!!
with all this YEYE one sided judgement.
is it not in nigeria that pervert are sleeping with 13-14 year old girls.

I am straight but i cannot judge, ko to si mi, and you have no right to judge as well U U U and U,
only with love can you GIVE TOTAL UNDERSTANDING, !!!

GAY RIGHTS OR WHATEVER,, CONSENTING ADULTS(BETWEEN TO HUMANS)?, THEN WHY NOT BEASTIALITY RIGHT, `COS TWO WILLING AND CONSENTING BEINGS (A HUMAN AND A DOG OR GOAT),, ABEG SHOOT ALL GAYS, SHOOT THEM ALL :`COS THEY ARE MUFFETS.

Make dem no allow gay people begin talk rubbish for naija o. if they want to live in a perverted society, they should go to UK.

@ Post/Topic/Poster

I THINK U MEANT TO SAY "gays STORM NATIONAL ASSEMBLY"

@Nkeirubaby

Speaking for myself as a christian, i think that the "Incest" issue must be addressed in Nigeria like every other country. Christianity teaches tolerance and acceptance. Only God can judge our souls. Every human being is Gods child. All these incest people have brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers like the rest of us. They are not from Mars, they are our fellow Nigerians.

With all the wahala that comes with it, especially in a country like Nigeria, to be openly incesting takes a great deal of courage and conviction and i don't think anyone will do that, unless they have no choice.

It's all they've ever known. They are attracted to their own brother/sister the same way people are attracted to the opposite sex. I'm not saying it's right, but we should empower ourselves with knowledge and have an understanding of their love instead of saying Nigeria is now Sodom and Gommorrah.

Anymore moronic arguments?

bawomolo:
So being a Liberal is trying to be white?

Huh

Where did I say that? I am liberal and I never try to be white.

Get to understand the difference between logical liberalism and anything goes liberalism (due to limited ability to discern consequences).

For those that still struggle to get my logic around the boundriless, insane society that the West is lending itself to, read this article and read some of the comments below it by so-called liberals.

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article4332635.ece

From the comments, it is obvious this is the next frontier. And according to some morons: "Who are we to judge?".

If you don't judge then you have no opinion, you have no opinion definitely means you are not informed or have no brain (or at least one that functions).

I JUDGE!

Of course, group of people have the right to behave in a manner the group chooses. The group could be robbers, armed robbers, harlots, gigolos, pocket pickers and homosexuals. The good thing about these groups is they were all born human beings by their various mothers.

However, there is a trend of issue that is beginning to unfold. One among these groups of rascally and socially deviant manners is demanding that the society must treat them differently or in special manner different from the way other deviants were handled based on the dictate of the society.

If a person does not want the wroth of the society, the person must behave within the confine of the generally accepted behaviors as tailored by the dictates of the society. In the neck of my wood, the civilization included among other things, the mode of our interaction with others. Any person trying to introduce a useless behavior into the guided civilization must be ruthless dealt with as stipulated within the laws of the land.

In USA and few other European countries, people who attempt to marry more than one wife have been ruthless killed by the agents of the state. I have accepted polygamy and continue to support it because the arrangement of couples is within dictate of law of nature. Homosexuality is an irredeemable cause.

I v spoken with a lesbian some yrs back and she revealed to me, none of them like what they are doing.

interesting one homosexual is large enough a sample size to determine how all homo's think. talk about being fallacious

Of course, group of people have the right to behave in a manner the group chooses. The group could be robbers, armed robbers, harlots, gigolos, pocket pickers and homosexuals. The good thing about these groups is they were all born human beings by their various mothers.

So what do armed robbers and pocket pickers have in common with homosexuals?

Sagamite:

Huh 

Where did I say that? I am liberal and I never try to be white.

Get to understand the difference between logical liberalism and anything goes liberalism (due to limited ability to discern consequences).

Actually the difference is between political liberalism and American styled liberalism.  Liberalism and Libertarianism do not oppose the right of homosexuals to get married.  You are a centrist and not a liberal. don't fool yourself

This homosexual stuff reminds me when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad President of Iran traveled to the U.S some time ago. Gay human rights activist asked him of the homosexual activities within Iran- Ahmadinejad said he didn't know it existed. They all said it did, so my beloved president asked them to tell him where they were . ***den fear, dem know say na to kill the foolish gay people be that***.


This bill happens to be something good the Nigerian politicians have done in centuries, at least na jail, I no go jail them if na me be legislator.

bawomolo:

Actually the difference is between political liberalism and American styled liberalism. Liberalism and Libertarianism do not oppose the right of homosexuals to get married. You are a centrist and not a liberal. don't fool yourself

Sorry, are you saying acceptance of homosexuality is a fundamental indicator of liberalism? Basically one cannot be a liberal except he approves of homosexuality?

i don 't have any thing against homosexuality, people are always taking verse of the bible to cast other people, they don't remember about"luv ur neighbour as ur self" but they have time to remember things like "a woman should dress like a woman,and a man as a man",or other things like "a woman is made for man and viceversa", i'm happy that NIGERIANS are waken up from the lies,without fears, I wish we gon have more of this people so that useless things like poligamy are goin to vanish.People are waken up to say the truth of the way things are,and u people are insulting them,by hiding under cristianity, u people don't even know the meaning of cristianity, the problem of Nigerians is that they like to hide their consarvative wikedness,and dress it with verses of the holy bible.

Sagamite:

Sorry, are you saying acceptance of homosexuality is a fundamental indicator of liberalism? Basically one cannot be a liberal except he approves of homosexuality?

You cant claim to be a liberal if you don't accept people expressing themselves in a way that doesn't harm other members of society.  Its one thing to call yourself a centrist but you are no liberal.  liberals don't go on tangents about accepting western concepts

bawomolo:

You cant claim to be a liberal if you don't accept people expressing themselves in a way that doesn't harm other members of society.  Its one thing to call yourself a centrist but you are no liberal.  liberals don't go on tangents about accepting western concepts

So lets for one moment say I accept and advocate homosexuality, I hug and embrace the culture, fabulousness and the beauty of it as a "modern man".  .

But I object to a group of nudist that are campaigning for the right to live and walk around stark naked in all public places because they don't believe in wearing clothes.

With the conjunction of these two positions, does that objection eliminate any claim I may have to being liberal?

I promise myself to refrain from posting in this thread, but I have to break this promise to say a few things.

Homosexuals are humans and they deserve every protection under the law and society values and law like any other human. Period.

For those of you that berate western cultures, and try to associate homosexuality with them are just ignorant on many levels. Even animals shows homosexual tendencies, just ask any zoologist. So how much more humans? As for blaming it on western values and ways, I think it is ironic that these same people are using the internet, while dressed in clothing attires all made using western ideas and values if I may point that out.

Like I have said before in another thread, Homosexuals are here to stay, the earlier we accept them, the better it will be for us. Some of you may "make noise" as you want but they will eventually win this "war". After all, as of 100years ago, witches were still being burnt at the stakes in England. Who would have thought that will ever change?

You average Nigerian man says he hates gay people, yet when asked why, he only says it is wrong. Oh please, who are you to determine what is wrong when two consenting adult feel the same towards each other? It is even more sad, that a few people who are abroad have these ignorant mentality as well. All these ignorant people go on like homosexual is a choice or a behaviour that is learned, Jesus flippin Christ, Please save my people, especially the ones with tiny minds.

Finally, seeing that there is a lot of ignorance around here, so pardon me if I do not reply. Or pick whom I reply to.

ElRazur:

For those of you that berate western cultures, and try to associate homosexuality with them are just ignorant on many levels. Even animals shows homosexual tendencies, just ask any zoologist. So how much more humans? As for blaming it on western values and ways, I think it is ironic that these same people are using the internet, while dressed in clothing attires all made using western ideas and values if I may point that out.

You average Nigerian man says he hates gay people, yet when asked why, he only says it is wrong. Oh please, who are you to determine what is wrong when two consenting adult feel the same towards each other? It is even more sad, that a few people who are abroad have these ignorant mentality as well. All these ignorant people go on like homosexual is a choice or a behaviour that is learned, Jesus flippin Christ, Please save my people, especially the ones with tiny minds.

Finally, seeing that there is a lot of ignorance around here, so pardon me if I do not reply. Or pick whom I reply to.

Please prove that there are homosexual animals.

Show us you are not ignorant by showing us where you saw evidence of this that led to you making this strong claim. Give us the grace of your knowledge to show it is not just a claim but a fact.

I am yet to see any of you concretely prove it. You are all just regurgitating what you have been fed without showing wit of questioning it.

Homosexual tendency is observed both in wild and "domestic" animal. I lived in a rural area during my time in Nigeria. It is not uncommon to see a  male goat [the one called Obuko in Yoruba language] to try and mate with a male during heat period [heat period is the time they female goat is ready to conceive]

It is also not uncommon to see a hen trying to mate another hen. Anyone who reared animals will tell you this is true.

I am not the type to come in to a debate without knowing my left hand from my right hand you see.. When I mentioned, there is a lot of ignorance around here, you just demonstrated that. Since you appear to be one of the ignorant ones, here educate yourself and get some knowledge.

Roy and Silo are Chinstrap Penguins who were a homosexual couple in New York City's Central Park Zoo.[1]

The pair were observed trying to hatch a rock as if it were an egg. When the zoo staff realized that Roy and Silo were both male, it occurred to them to give them the second egg of a mixed-gender penguin couple, a couple which previously had been unable to successfully hatch two eggs at a time. Roy and Silo hatched and raised the healthy young chick, a female named "Tango" by keepers. Their story is the basis for the children's book, And Tango Makes Three, by Justin Richardson and Peter Parnell and illustrated by Henry Cole.

Tango is now a healthy young female penguin. She has formed a relationship with Tazuni, another female penguin. The two have paired the last two mating seasons. [2]

Here is another one for the ignorants to read about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals



If you do not know something, I will urge you to enlighten your mind my friend. Do not believe something simply because it was said in a "church" "mosque" or is labelled as wrong. You will be restricting your knowledge and therefore remain ignorant.


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There is more if you want. I really just don't want to get into this debate due to the kind of mindset around here.

ElRazur:

Homosexual tendency is observed both in wild and "domestic" animal. I lived in a rural area during my time in Nigeria. It is not uncommon to see a  male goat [the one called Obuko in Yoruba language] to try and mate with a male during heat period [heat period is the time they female goat is ready to conceive]

OK, tendency

So you agree their are NO homosexual animals, all you know of is tendencies?

Case closed.

ElRazur:

It is also not uncommon to see a hen trying to mate another hen. Anyone who reared animals will tell you this is true.

I have also seen dogs trying to mate with humans by humping their legs, that does not mean the dog is gay or beastial it is just in heat and has no access to cooling down. 

ElRazur:

I am not the type to come in to a debate without knowing my left hand from my right hand you see.. When I mentioned, there is a lot of ignorance around here, you just demonstrated that. Since you appear to be one of the ignorant ones, here educate yourself and get some knowledge.

Here is another one for the ignorants to read about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals

So this is your evidence that there are homosexual animals?

Unsubstantiated claims and opinions of people? This is your left from you right? This is how you educate yourself? This is knowledge? Chopping all crap given to you is knowledge and you have the guts to turn around and call other people ignorant?

And if I call you a slowpoke, people will think I am being harsh. For your information, slowpoke, I have taken the liberty to read this probably well before you did and went through all the sources and found out it is just an unsubstantiated CLAIM.

We are in the 21st century and have had advanced and revolutionary documentary filming of nature that we could never imagine we will ever see. Just watch the documentaries on BBC, Discovery Channel etc.

Now please show me a video clip where there are ANIMALS that are exclusively GAY, slowpoke.

Show me a clip where there is a small population of an animal group that has access to opposite sex animals but refuse and develop sexual relationship with same sex animals exclusively for an extensive period with penetration and ejaculation. Then I will know you have showed me a gay animal, slowpoke.

ElRazur:

If you do not know something, I will urge you to enlighten your mind my friend. Do not believe something simply because it was said in a "church" "mosque" or is labelled as wrong. You will be restricting your knowledge and therefore remain ignorant.


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There is more if you want. I really just don't want to get into this debate due to the kind of mindset around here.

slowpoke, I am an objective thinker that is not scared to question things and unlike you don't chop whatever is fed to me and think it is sausage.

You've started grasping for straws. First of all you asked for evidence of homosexuality in animals and we've shown you.

Now you are asking for 'exclusive' homosexuality

So wait, is the ban you are screaming to be advocated only going to be on 'exclusively homosexual' people? Are you going to monitor their sexual activity to confirm they don't occasionally sleep with the opposite sex before arresting them?

Ok let's even say this is a 'tendency' (whatever that connotes to you) - how does that further your case in any way?

How can you say there are no 'homosexual animals'? Is homosexuality defined in terms of exclusivity now?

Sagamite:

And if I call you a slowpoke, people will think I am being harsh. For your information, slowpoke, I have taken the liberty to read this probably well before you did and went through all the sources and found out it is just an unsubstantiated CLAIM.

Show me a clip where there is a small population of an animal group that has access to opposite sex animals but refuse and develop sexual relationship with same sex animals exclusively for an extensive period with penetration and ejaculation. Then I will know you have showed me a gay animal, slowpoke.

Why must there be penetration and ejaculation to convince you of homosexuality? Do females penetrate? Or does female on female action not strike you as homosexuality?

Are you saying you will become homosexual simply because there are no females?

What about the national geographic video posted earlier? What do you say to that? Is that not substantiated proof?

@debosky,

When I asked you for your evidence of homosexual animals, you ran away. Now you are sneaking back to say I am grasping at straws?

You have not shown me anything. Please show now. Back your arguments up.

Big opportunity! Big Moment! The drums are rolling.

Sagamite:

OK, tendency

So you agree their are NO homosexual animals, all you know of is tendencies?

Case closed.

For what its worth, it appears you have problems grasping the basics of English. Here, is a definition of the word Tendency:

#  Movement or prevailing movement in a given direction: observed the tendency of the wind; the shoreward tendency of the current.
# A characteristic likelihood: fabric that has a tendency to wrinkle.
# A predisposition to think, act, behave, or proceed in a particular way.

I have taken the effort to put in[b] bold[/b] the parts I need to draw to your attention.

Now that you know the meaning of the word, let us go back to the debate shall we? The word Tendency was used as it is something that is not fully understood. However, the behaviour observed in various animals bears the same characteristics of homosexuality. So on that note, it is wrong to make a firm conclusion when the concepts is not fully understand - as there are still on going research and unpublished reports.

You claim to be open-minded and very objective, yet you are quick to say "case closed". That really is the classical definition of irony, with a hint of arrogance that is again engrossed in ignorance. I suppose that is your way out of as you aint really saying anything meaningful so far. Let us move to the next point shall we?

Sagamite:
I have also seen dogs trying to mate with humans by humping their legs, that does not mean the dog is gay or beastial it is just in heat and has no access to cooling down. 

So this is your evidence that there are homosexual animals?

Unsubstantiated claims and opinions of people? This is your left from you right? This is how you educate yourself? This is knowledge? Chopping all crap given to you is knowledge and have the guts to turn around and call other people ignorant?

And if I call you a slowpoke, people will think I am being harsh. For your information, slowpoke, I have taken the liberty to read this probably well before you did and went through all the sources and found out it is just an unsubstantiated CLAIM.

A dog humping a human leg is nothing more than an instinct. However, I really do not see what that have to do with the price of tea in china. That is like mixing apple and oranges - totally different things.

You asked for a proof, I posted you one. Yet you are quick to condemn it - a typical "naija mentality". How can you call it unsubstantial claim when even a zoologist knows and teaches this in schools? How do you call a well documented observation something unproven? I suppose you really are ignorant.

You can call me what you want, I just see it is a reflective mechanism so as to divert attention from the issue at hand. But hey, I am not that keen to play your "name calling" games with you.

You made a claim of going through all the sources, yet you appear to have missed that these sources are actually real and none was based on unproven claims? I suppose this shows your reflective approach again. Will it be a fair part to ask you for a proof that you went through ALL like you claim? I am guessing you cant.

Sagamite:
We are in the 21st century and have had advanced and revolutionary documentary filming of nature that we could never imagine we will ever see. Just watch the documentaries on BBC, Discovery Channel etc.

Now please show me a video clip where there are ANIMALS that are exclusively GAY, slowpoke.

Show me a clip where there is a small population of an animal group that has access to opposite sex animals but refuse and develop sexual relationship with same sex animals exclusively  for an extensive period with penetration and ejaculation. Then I will know you have showed me a gay animal, slowpoke.

slowpoke, I am an objective thinker that is not scared to question things and unlike you don't chop whatever is fed to me and think it is sausage.

You know, apart from watching tv, I do actually read to educate and challenge my mind. Just thought, I should point that to you. Again, you made claims to have gone through all the sources to what I posted initially, yet you seem to be missing a lot here. You do realise plenty of animals have been observed in the wild. I gave you examples of my personal experience and posted a link of well documented evidence. I suppose taking it is probably too much for you to deal with.

If you are an objective thinker [whatever that means!] I think you will find that none of your views with me so far are objective, [talkless of being a thinker] if anything it is rigid and very much outdated. Here, let us test that "objective thinker" in you. Do you realise being Gay is not a choice and it is an inborn mechanism. Before you come back, there are studies and well documented evidence that backs this up.




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I forgot to say that you appear to be moving the goal post, first you wanted a proof and now you changed it. How typical, and you are supposed to be an objective thinker, Jeez don't make me laugh, as my tummy hurts already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnMJU9RrNhQ

The thing that doesn't exist.

0thello:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnMJU9RrNhQ

The thing that doesn't exist.

Shut up man, that is[i] "unsubstantial and unproven claim"[/i]




God save us from people with tiny minds.

I'm sorry but from the onset, I knew this was going to be something like this hence why I am not even making much effort. I really cannot wait for his next reply. Perhaps he will blame the western world for corrupting the pengiuns.

why exactly does he need a video  

So lets for one moment say I accept and advocate homosexuality, I hug and embrace the culture, fabulousness and the beauty of it as a "modern man".  Shocked Grin.

But I object to a group of nudist that are campaigning for the right to live and walk around stark naked in all public places because they don't believe in wearing clothes.

With the conjunction of these two positions, does that objection eliminate any claim I may have to being liberal?

1. Liberals don't advocate homosexuality, you won't see Ted kennedy on tv telling your children to become homosexual

2. Liberalism is about acceptance and if nudists want their own colony or beaches so what.  What does indecent exposure have to do with liberalism or are you trying to stretch this argument.  What nudists are fighting to walk nude in a library or government building?

3. Why do you  find it hard to believe homosexual and bisexual (popular among the freaky bonobo's) exist?

ElRazur:

God save us from people with tiny minds.

I'm sorry but from the onset, I knew this was going to be something like this hence why I am not even making much effort. I really cannot wait for his next reply. Perhaps he will blame the western world for corrupting the pengiuns.

LOL I can only imagine. Notice the nay-sayers haven't provided a single article in contrast to what we've showed?