grafikdon:

Fornicators and adulterers have no union/group vehemently advocating for their rights to screw(other people's wives/husbands/gf/bf) with reckless abandon.

AfroCynic:


Gay people exist, it is not a European fad, it is a human thing and so long as that is the case, we owe to ourselves, to our conscience to treat them as such.

AfroCynic:


If the sole purpose of marriage is procreation, what about couple who are unable to have children what does that make them? To be honest, I think the way any society treat its minority is indicative of of its collective morality. Gay people exist, it is not a European fad, it is a human thing and so long as that is the case, we owe to ourselves, to our conscience to treat them as such.

I think the disservice we do to each other is to assume that it is not talked about means that it does not exist, do not fool yourself. That these people could risk life and limb to present their case at the national assembly says a lot. I think it is a shame that any so called democracy in 2008 should pass law discriminating against ANY minority in its society, this is my take on the matter.

JustGood:

why dont we allow armed robbers to have rights to rob other people as well? why dont we allow just everything that anyone decides to do? why dont we allow paedophiles to have a right to practice paedophilia?

sheeor

If the sole purpose of marriage is procreation, what about couple who are unable to have children what does that make them?

JustGood:

why dont we allow armed robbers to have rights to rob other people as well? why dont we allow just everything that anyone decides to do? why dont we allow paedophiles to have a right to practice paedophilia?

sheeor

I dont doubt that you can walk about peeing on yourself or Bleep your mum or even kill your folks like animal do, people do it all the time. My point is that it is not a soceital norm. Thats not how it is meant to be!

Who decides what and what should be categorized as societal norms? These religious zealots who steal from the rich and poor to oil their groins? Are you kidding me?

I was going to say that the Nigerian society is still too raw and uninformed to leave gay people be but when are we [Nigerians] going to accept that gay people are here to stay? When? If we keep saying, the time will come, it will never come.

If this bill is passed, it not only abuses the right of humans, any human to choose the sex of their life partners but it also gives the police and other law enforcing agency another route to egunje.

spikedcylinder:

Who decides what and what should be categorized as societal norms? These religious zealots who steal from the rich and poor to oil their groins? Are you kidding me?

I was going to say that the Nigerian society is still too raw and uninformed to leave gay people be but when are we [Nigerians] going to accept that gay people are here to stay? When? If we keep saying, the time will come, it will never come.

If this bill is passed, it not only abuses the right of humans, any human to choose the sex of their life partners but it also gives the police and other law enforcing agency another route to egunje.

AfroCynic:


Because an adult forcing himself/herself on a child, armed thugs depriving people of their lives, limbs and belongings is in no way comparable to two consenting adults being together, loving each other, that's why.

Seun:

Baboons. That's what we are in this country. Hate-filled Baboons!

JustGood:

What is the problem then with consenting Nigerians demanding a law in line with democratic values? Why have you left out the rest of my post to respond to only one bit?

JustGood:

What is the problem then with consenting Nigerians demanding a law in line with democratic values? Why have you left out the rest of my post to respond to only one bit?

In political theory, democracy describes a small number of related forms of government and also a political philosophy. Even though there is no universally accepted definition of 'democracy',[3] there are two principles that any definition of democracy includes. The first principle is that all members of the society (citizens) have equal access to power and the second that all members (citizens) enjoy universally recognized freedoms and liberties

you cannot eat your cake and have it; you cannot expect that the freedoms of a Democratic society should not apply to ALL members of society.

JustGood:

democracy is about the right to determine how you are governed.

If majority of Nigerians are in favour of the law, where is the problem coming from? Why must the minority be the ones enforcing their wishes in a democracy?

Dis Guy:

why dont we have a national referendum, the majority's decision is final ! its a democracy afterall

Dis Guy:

why dont we have a national referendum, the majority's decision is final ! its a democracy afterall

Dis Guy:

why dont we have a national referendum, the majority's decision is final ! its a democracy afterall

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What is the problem then with consenting Nigerians demanding a law in line with democratic values?

Seun:

Baboons. That's what we are in this country. Hate-filled Baboons!

lucabrasi:

the problem is that homosexuality is a vice which is devilish,demonic and evil  aberattion imported just like tokunbo cars,neoliberalism,moral decadence e.t.c from abroad which has no place in our country,culture the saudi arabians will not suddenly allow pork eating because its popular in the western world neither will they allow the holy grounds of mecca and medina to be used for a porn movie simply because many people will buy the movie
@oyb
well,there are religious extremists who cannot be excused,but the point im trying to make is that,religion plays an important role in every sector of governance in nigeria hence the reason for my former assertions,we dont have any conclusive survey or empirical research to fall back on,but an overwhelming majority of nigerians rely on religion either islamic or xtianity in governance and to a lesser extent traditional worship, remember the video of the  traditional worship of one of the governors in the east which was discountenanced in a court of law, the point is that religious influences is all over the government

lucabrasi:

the problem is that homosexuality is a vice which is devilish,demonic and evil  aberattion imported just like tokunbo cars,neoliberalism,moral decadence e.t.c from abroad which has no place in our country,culture the saudi arabians will not suddenly allow pork eating because its popular in the western world neither will they allow the holy grounds of mecca and medina to be used for a porn movie simply because many people will buy the movie
@oyb
well,there are religious extremists who cannot be excused,but the point im trying to make is that,religion plays an important role in every sector of governance in nigeria hence the reason for my former assertions,we dont have any conclusive survey or empirical research to fall back on,but an overwhelming majority of nigerians rely on religion either islamic or xtianity in governance and to a lesser extent traditional worship, remember the video of the  traditional worship of one of the governors in the east which was discountenanced in a court of law, the point is that religious influences is all over the government

If majority of Nigerians are in favour of the law, where is the problem coming from? Why must the minority be the ones enforcing their wishes in a democracy?

lucabrasi:

if refusing to be dragged down by the moral decadence and  warped western values is being a hate filled baboon,then i am one and proudly so, high moral values and judgements,most times are not popular,especially in an age where virtually the media is controlled by the west and we are injected and bombarded with "their values"dai;ly and on rolling news,

oyb:

i do not engage in adultery.i see a lot of people around me do so. the fact that i do not comment on what is A major sin in Islam does not mean i have allowed myself to be 'dragged down by moral decadence and warped western values' .


a law against homosexuals has no place in a secular society. the next thing you know, we'll be revisiting those laws on 'indecent dressing'

AfroCynic:

This is the biggest pile of rubbish I have read in a while. Religion only plays a prima facie role, if truly it governed the way our politicians behaved, they would not be as corrupt as they are be it in terms of federal funds or sleeping with people young enough to be their offspring, essentially we live in a society where the moral fabric has long ago rotted, leaving in its wake chaos.

With all our so called moral supreriority to the west, look at how this country treats it neediest, they are subjected to the capricous nature of messed up society where money is the arbiter of life and death. At least in the west, they recognise that being homosexual does not render you subhuman.

Denying someone else the right to be who they are, is denying yourself the right to be who you are, you just do not know it yet.

oyb:

i do not engage in adultery.i see a lot of people around me do so. the fact that i do not comment on what is A major sin in Islam does not mean i have allowed myself to be 'dragged down by moral decadence and warped western values' .


a law against homosexuals has no place in a secular society. the next thing you know, we'll be revisiting those laws on 'indecent dressing'

imho, we cannot have it both ways. we cannot claim to be a secular country, then turn around and base laws on Quranic or Biblical Assertions.

Exactly. Its not a "one size fits all" ideology.