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Poll: Which option of Electrical Engineering do you prefer?Electronics and Telecoms: 68% (203 votes)
Power and Machinery: 28% (84 votes)
Lecturing: 3% (9 votes)
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|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by AjanleKoko: 6:08pm On Apr 11, 2009|
Tough, man. I'm sorry to hear about your plight.
You might want to move to somewhere like Lagos and try to see what you can do, or even get some kind of small training or experience that can at least move you forward.
It's a really tough one I have to say.
Prof James Momoh is at Howard, right? He's always in and out of Nigeria on power-related projects. Another guy, Bart Nnaji, who's not even a power guy traditionally (he's more of a robotics expert), has set up some kind of IPP (Geometric Power) in the east. Read about him in Business Day a few days back.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by FiremanJr(m): 7:42pm On Apr 11, 2009|
Hey everybody! What do you guys think about going abroad for masters. I was thinking of going under the PTDF scholarship. But I was going through their lists of courses and i didn't really find much under electrical engr. Let the house know what you think. Adiose
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by netotse(m): 4:30am On Apr 12, 2009|
PTDF'll only give u choces out of petroleum related scores. . . u shld try and get a really good GRE score(thats wot i'll do)but first u need to determine where u want to specialise and work on getting more knowledge and experience in that area(i take it u're not yet done wiv school)
VT's step down to 110 in most cases, what the siemens ppl useis called a marshalling kiosk(the station where i spent most of my IT was built by siemens ) the station in lagos is called akangba, the one you mentioned in ibadan is prolly next to the NCC in osogbo lots of space. . . nice looking, been there once. i agree with what you said about germans wanting to make sure you'll call them back. . .during my IT the was a problem with one of the poles of a circuit breaker(i think its called polar discordance. . . cant rem)it was on a mobitra(mobile transformer-its mounted on a truck so it can be driven around we have a few of those in naija the one i've seen was in kubwa tho) and when PHCN staff cldnt do anything abt it ABB(they were the manufacturers) flew in some ppl from germany who cldnt do anything either(. . . or so they said)and sed they'd replace it but in the end i think wot happened was that PHCN just installed a breaker just after the mobitra.
my final year project was something like a relay too but its job was on the distribution side(it was to monitor load and disconnect appliances that use a duty cycle when frequency fell to preset values)its called a dynamic demand controller
i like PC&M(its the only dept in PHCN that employs only graduates did u know that) but the bit i enjoyed most during IT was operation(the control room)
abt shiroro, i jst got posted there(march 24) so it'll take me a while to find my way arnd. and i'm assuming ur relay was installed in the transmission control room right(in italian camp) if its there i'll prolly see it when i'm rotated there(i'm s'posed to be in communications at the work centre now tho. . . a building near the main admin building if <by main i mean that fine, big, brown building where the ceo's office is when u turn right jst b4 u get to power house>i sed s'posed to cos i dont intend to hang arnd wiv the communication ppl much(i'll prolly spend most of my time in generation i already hv transmission experience)
i woulda preferred to be in generation(transmission and generation in shiroro are handled by diff bodies under PHCN) but they didnt accept any corpers from my batch(so i went to the transmission work centre)but i hear most times u can hang around anywhere sha(this place is beyond massive. . . are oil installations as large?)
yep that guy is making money from PHCN o!. . . abt geometric power(he's a prof too sef. . . all these ppl that hv over read!) they hv a website sef http://www.geometricpower.com/ i watched the groundbreaking on tv (it was obj that did it i think)i hope it works out for him o. . . i read somewhere(when it comes to power i've read a lot of reports i had no business reading )that it'll take ten years for anyone that starts a power company in nigeria to break even so govt does wot they call securitisation(they pay you some money to make up for ur losses)if u've been following the power nonsense u'da heard abt the securitisation fund. wot geometric power's doing is smart in the sense that since they are being set up to supply the industries in Aba they're customers are less likely to be chronic debtors cos if they supply govt its not sure that they'll always be paid on time for the electricity delivered(do u kno abt the AES wahala going on now?)
i cant help it o!. . . power does that to me generally i like practical knowledge but power is special(maybe cos its not as common as some fields)
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by AjanleKoko: 2:42pm On Apr 12, 2009|
ewoma4good:Have you every considered going into sound engineering? Right now that's a field of elect populated by amateurs and technicians. Most of the churches and corporate events/shows would welcome some good sound skills. Just an idea you might want to explore sha.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by hackney(m): 3:54pm On Apr 12, 2009|
Ajanlekoko u dey too much!!!!!!!!
As thread don turn to 'ask ajanlekoko' make i kuku join abeg (for my area them say good market dey sell imself)
But make i ask u; I don do all those MCP's come do CCNA dey wan complete CCNP.
I currently work in a large IT company belonging to one of those global establishments (not mentioning names but na for London) but bros i want relocate man!!
Do i really need to do a masters in say telecomms to get a decent pay packet with any of the major telecomms companies in Naija? (considering that i had 2.1 in civil Engr;FUTO).
This question is because at CCNP level you are more or less neck deep into comms anyway.
Drop me a line abeg (u too current )
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by AjanleKoko: 4:49pm On Apr 12, 2009|
Flattery will get you nowhere, my bro.
Meanwhile, I don't think your Bsc or MSc or whatever is really relevant in telecoms. What's relevant is cognate experience, not even certifications.
Do you have cognate experience in mobile or fixed telephony, particularly the GSM or UMTS environment? As strong as Cisco is in the IP internetworking arena, they don't play any major role per se in the GSM environment, except maybe on the IT connectivity side, I mean our IT guys use Cisco equipment just like any other IT guys anywhere, but that's where it ends.
If you want to work as an engineer in telecoms, you need to have experience in either the core network (switching, billing, intelligent network, VAS layer) or the access network (RF/Cell planning and development, and access transmission technologies/transport network development. The core network protocols vary from technology provider to technology provider and are basically SS7, INAP/MAP, CS1/CS1+, and in some cases IP (on the VAS side).
Of course, CCNP will avail you somewhat, if you have been working on IP access internetworks ATM, Frame relay, SDH/SONET, Fiber, and all those carrier access technologies. Then you can fit into the transport networks area, although the kind of traffic we talk about in telecom is not the IP connectivity for data traffic you may be used to in IT. The requirements are much bigger, the equipment is different, and typically you have the Ericssons, Nokia Siemens, Huawei/ZTEs, and Alcatel-Lucents of this world playing in this field.
There is some Cisco participation on the MPLS side, as most of the telcos in Nigeria are moving towards MPBN in order to optimize traffic and carry packet data between the core network nodes, especially now that we are moving towards the NGN (next generation networks) which are packet-switched. Depends on the kind of experience you have anyways.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by kaceei: 4:58pm On Apr 12, 2009|
i got bored doing electrical engr in school mainly cos of the irrelevance of some courses and the lack of immediate application of the concepts, too much theory , phew! yeah! and cos of some lecturers too, always making simple processes complex like thats part of the syllabus i grad with a 2.1 sha! (almost made a first class just didnt want to press on) in 06 and currently workin for a bank, initially as an investment banker and now as an IT staff. U guys make me proud of EE cos b4 now it sucked so bad. we've got humongous(permit me) number of Electrical Engineers pursuing Mobil,Shell,Glo,MTN e.t.c how man dem won take? so sad man. i jumped at my first offer to start with a bank and i dont feel EE no more am going for a joint program soon in MBA and MENG-Petroleum Engr, lets see where that takes me. for me IT certifications are like pimped "computer appreciation" for upgrading CV. i stand to be corrected but this is my opinion
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by AjanleKoko: 5:12pm On Apr 12, 2009|
no issues. I even have a friend who's a vice president with Morgan Stanley in New York (A Unilag EE Grad). Whatever rocks your world.
Though this your comment about IT certifications being like 'pimped computer appreciation' courses, do you still feel that way, especially if you're working in IT in a bank?
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by cashful(m): 7:01pm On Apr 12, 2009|
another ASK AJANLEKOKO here,
i coordinate the engineering dept of my company, FMCG
my background is mechanical, but i have a lot to do with elect engr and have vast experience in it
on a personal level i want to develop my self especially about PLC, Control , how do i go about it
ie any course, i can pursue or basic materials that can be useful
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by AjanleKoko: 7:13pm On Apr 12, 2009|
As a mechanical guy, didn't you take any courses in control engineering? It usually is part of the undergrad curricula for elect, mech or chem eng students.
You need to get some not too theoretical material on the web, that outlines industrial control electronics just to get the basics right.
Then I'm guessing you have machines in your environment that are PLC-controlled. Study the manuals and understand the technical environment. You can always use the theory to validate the practical, or to understand it better. Try that.
On the aside, I'm making a general offer: If you're a student or practitioner, needing electronic books on just about any EE topic ( the power guys will be shocked to see what I have, and I'm talking Y2K and beyond editions, not ancient academic tomes), hit me up via PM, and I'd be willing to share. I have probably one of the largest ebooks libraries (more than 100,000 volumes of books relating to just about every topic you can imagine), and I have hundreds of physical volumes as well.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by cashful(m): 7:24pm On Apr 12, 2009|
yea did control back then, i agree that what i need is something that is not too theoretical like you suggested, do you have any site in mind
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by Nobody: 8:01pm On Apr 12, 2009|
God bless the internet
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by Nobody: 8:13pm On Apr 12, 2009|
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by AjanleKoko: 8:23pm On Apr 12, 2009|
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by netotse(m): 11:45pm On Apr 12, 2009|
i dont want to rain on anyone's parade o. . . but!
@oyb and ajanlekoko
both of y'all shld agree. . . hving too many books is not good u'll end up not reading all of them i know. . . i hv ebooks on most aspects of power and i hvnt gotten round to reading them. For u guys that are ahead of us, u can use them as references but for newbies like me they'd just be sources of confusion!
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by Nobody: 12:36am On Apr 13, 2009|
of course you're right. . .
i actually pointed this out to someone once before. . .
though i have all those books at my disposal, i am still more likely to hit the net when i need info
the books etal are more for quick reference than all out reading, esp as our generation has not quite mastered the difficult art of reading from a computer screen. . .
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by AjanleKoko: 7:44am On Apr 13, 2009|
Hmm, true that.
However I collect books as a hobby. Started during my PG days. I try to read, not everything tho, but at least the ones most directly relevant to my current interests (maybe .05% of the lot) . Not the heavy theoretical stuff sha(who get time to dey solve equation?) I even read from my PDA with Mobipocket and MS Reader.
I think I did a lot of reading between '99 and '03, firstly when I was doing my postgrad, and also trying to find a footing in ICT, learning different things at the same time. Some of the technical stuff you would need when you're doing masters (unlike the Bsc, the instructors won't summarize everything for you in the notes or handouts).
Nowadays I struggle to read 1 book in a month, though I still try, and, as oyb rightly pointed out, reading from the screen is not exactly the most enjoyable thing. My wife is even tussling me right now to get rid of the physical volumes I have, including all sorts of training manuals, periodicals, etc, cos it has filled up everywhere. Just struggling to fend her off until I get a bigger space to put them all in.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by 1Engr: 4:18pm On Apr 13, 2009|
@AjanleKoko et al
I'm a final year student of the depatment of electrical engineering in 1 of the top and old universities in Nigeria.For my final year i chose electronics/telecoms option,I finished my IT with ZTE in jan where i was exposed to CDMA technology nd alot about networkin.I hold a CCNA,i know alot about practical networking,know alot about computer hardware and software.
I also know how to build websites using php,i build simple electronic circuits too.I know a little about windows server 2003 & a little about java programmin.
I'm also good at using softwares like autocard,flash,dreamweaver,packet tracer,etcx
I am a 2.1 student and also the president of electrical students in my university.I was also among the very few that got into the NBC undergraduate trainee program even though i ddnt go 4 IT in NBC,i still have the opportunity to do my NYSC and enroll as a graduate trainee witout any test or interview cos to get the undergraduate trainee i had to pass thru tests and interview.This makes me a potential employee of NBC.
I'm also about to enroll in a course to get a diploma in Embedded electronics and microcontrollers,also thinkin about doin a few microsoft certifications,but not the complete MCSE.
I'll be finishing this year.
I need your advise on wat i should do,wat is required from elect engrs theses dayz,wat more qualifications and skills i need,where are the good places to work in
I have the will and ability to learn new skills.
Wat do u think of NBC.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by AjanleKoko: 5:34pm On Apr 13, 2009|
Looks like you've been quite busy, which is good. I'm not even sure you really need help, as you already have some good exposure.
Let me say that all the stuff you have lined up are very much to your advantage. I believe you should be very flexible in the beginning, cos you don't know yet where the big opportunity is going to be for you. You have a good degree upcoming, a prospective job with a manufacturing concern (FMCG), and you've even experienced telecoms to an extent. You shouldn't have any problem fitting into somewhere if you continue at this pace.
The microcontrollers/embedded electronics stuff is good, the MCP certifications are equally good, and will complement a possible career in industrial control electronics. My final year elective options were in industrial control electronics & computer engineering, and I still opted for control engineering at postgrad school, cos up till I joined telecoms I was looking at a career in industrial electronics, ultimately dreaming of a SAP PLM career. Unfortunately that never happened, and these days, with the way PHCN is forcing the manufacturing industries out of business, I worry about the future of manufacturing in naija.
However, NBC is a good place, I'm not too sure about what they pay, but I know their plant environment is a good place for an electronic engineer to cut their teeth. Even though it would be a lot easier for me to recommend you to dive into telecoms, seeing as that is where I work, I'm going to go against the grain and recommend you give NBC a shot, even if it's just for the NYSC to start with. You still have a lot of time to change if you don't like it, seeing as you have a good degree and stuff, but it will give you the right foundation, cos, my friend, with all these your microcontrollers/embedded systems courses, you should be looking outside Nigeria, maybe initially for postgrad, and to further your career.
Of course at some point you might probably get a job at an oil and gas concern which will offer you more money, but I seriously doubt you will get any reasonable hands-on. All the elect engineers I know that have gone into upstream oil and gas all ended up either as petroleum engineers or facilities engineers, or maybe moved into the business services like procurement and the like. I don't know if downstream is any different. Maybe oyb can help us there, as he has some good hands-on as well, and currently works there. For me, I'll still maintain that Facilities Engineering must be boring.
Hope this helped somewhat.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by lekside44(m): 11:20pm On Apr 13, 2009|
hello guys, i would have advised that nigerain universities should stop offering courses in ee because they are required in limited number and have little relevance in our modern society. mosty hit is the electronics which the semiconductor chips have made there relevant useless.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by netotse(m): 11:42pm On Apr 13, 2009|
wot school r u in?(i'm curious)
anyway i agree wit ajanlekoko on the NBC thing if i're good at control then the sky's ur limit(i know of guys that get sent for from different states of naija all in the name of control o). dont try to do too much it jst might end up making u look confused(on a CV) so if its control then u shld focus on that(diploma cld help)
also as per the NBC thing(jst to prepare ur mind) the way naija is set up its likely they wont write to NYSC to influence ur posting(i'm serving now so i hv an idea how these things go) u're going to hv to do that u'rself so start making plans(i'm telling u this so that u dont begin to dream of a future that'll be cut short by the naija factor)
ur post doesnt add anything to the substance of this thread if u hv a point to make pls make it and if not . . .
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by FiremanJr(m): 1:32am On Apr 14, 2009|
You really have a lot going on for yourself and a bright future awaits you.
Did you even see the name of the thread before posting in it?
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by 1Engr: 3:58am On Apr 14, 2009|
@AjanleKoko et al,
thank u so much,i shall try to concentrate in an area.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by AjanleKoko: 10:37am On Apr 15, 2009|
Looks like we have a lot more aspirants than practitioners on this thread.
Could we get some more practising peeps make some contributions? Basically career experiences, work highs and lows, generally if it has been worthwhile at the end of the day, even future career aspirations.
I have said so much about my past and present, would like to hear from other peeps.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by Gaminechic: 1:28pm On Apr 15, 2009|
@Netotse, were you at the NSE conference in Jebba?
Power was the driest class, attended only about 4 times
Control was the toughest, surprising i didnt fail the course
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by netotse(m): 2:25pm On Apr 15, 2009|
NSE conference ke?i'm not a member yet, i just started serving o. . . i left camp on the 24th of march, i know only paiko(camp), minna and small shiroro hvnt been anywhere else in niger o(i intend to visit jebba too i hv a friend serving at the dam!)
power can be very boring it depends on who's doing what sha
what are the advantages of joining awon coren and nse?
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by AjanleKoko: 3:09pm On Apr 15, 2009|
That's a bad question to ask people like me, @netsose.
Depending on where you're working sha. It may or may not be important.
I personally think the NSE and COREN are not serious bodies, and were probably based on the personalities of a few engineers who founded them, and of course our ever-sleeping government.
When I was at NYSC camp in Lagos in '98, COREN showed up, preaching a bright new future for engineers, SITSIE, and guarantees that all engineers in that camp would be properly placed in relevant career opportunities. They sold us a manual cum application form for N300 (a lot at that time considering allowie was around N1600). Then they disappeared never to return. Obviously a revenue-generating ritual targeted at corpers. For example I was posted to a secondary school to teach. Relevant career opportunity my behind (excuse the french)!
NSE on their part, I consider them a bunch of jokers, with their strange WAEC-like syllabus, and their many discriminations (depending on which school you attended, you did or didn't qualify to apply to be called an engineer, or could apply at different times). And of course, Nigeria must be the only country where engineers are attaching the title 'Engineer' before their names, also Architects and Surveyors. So if all I get is the right (questionable?) to affix the title before my name, they know what they can do with their title. Mr sounds good to me.
Make una no vex that I have strong beef for those guys. I think those organizations should realize we are in the 21st century and should stop jerking around and look seriously at how they can standardize the profession in Nigeria, I mean, look at ICAN for crying out loud. On a lighter note, I notice that our many expatriate engineers in telecoms are being forced to register with COREN before they can get a work permit, which tickles me to no end. They probably deserve it, taking away jobs from Nigerians and all.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by bawomolo(m): 4:04pm On Apr 15, 2009|
What do you guys think of Graduate degrees (MENG/M.Sc)? do you think they are useful or relevant.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by AjanleKoko: 4:16pm On Apr 15, 2009|
With a graduate degree you can't go wrong.
Not even from a leverage standpoint. In Nigeria they don't teach anything at Bsc level.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by lekside44(m): 6:35pm On Apr 15, 2009|
you guys may feel i am not of any relevant to this topic, but i am really saying the truth. i am one who thinks very much ahead of my time. i had loved to study electronics from my childhood, much to the fact that i love movies so much and had wanted to receive a clear signal from LTV8 of old which shows nice action pack movies every weekend in the early 80's before their station got burnt. during this period , i was still in my primary school and i engauge myself in a lot of discussion with my friends on the working principles of the television. we construct areas with fluoriscent bulbs and at many occassions, i sneek to open the back of our television to see the working principles of the television. this made me to always update my scientific knowledge and by the time i was taking my jss3 exams, i already understand at least 50% of the working principle. i continued learning more about this principle and electronics in general. i registered for electronics and applied electricity in waec, coming out with a3 (b3) in both subjects without ever attending a class in electronics just for once in my life. i will thank my contact with introtech and re interpretations of physics phenonenom for this. even the population of us who took the exam in this subjects were even less than 100 in the whole of lagos state. even now it is lowere as less than 30 sat for it in lagos in 2008. then i had the ambition of constructing my tv, and recording tv signals on cassette tapes. i studied physics with electronics. i only discovered that most of our school curricullum do not explain the working principles of many of this devices which is even the first step for any meaningful engineerings. rather, we are concern with advance mathematic such as laplace, bessel function, forier series e.t.c. although, this mathematics solve the mathematical operation of the current and the voltages in the circuit, but many students cannot figure this out and are not even aware that these mathematics are applicable to a particular block in a system. to make matter worse, modern televisions are processed by softwares using microprocessor. thus, even the technicians who were of little relevants before will be knocked out of the system. lets just wait till 2012 when nigeria's airwave will go all digital. for us to be relevant and marketable, we should design, and dictates the pace of what is in our society, not what is imported into or society. an average consumer cares less, and thus if we want to take the job, we must leave to our expectations as nigerian engineers for the nigerians society of all our tioling migth be in vain. the digital age was born when the american engineers saw the treat posed on them and their economy when japanise first develope the HDTV technology in the 60's but now all those are now history,
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by FiremanJr(m): 11:26pm On Apr 15, 2009|
I think everybody on this thread will agree with you that the Nigerian educational system is in shambles, but haba! How can EE not be relevant?
PS: No allow your child open TV o! Ever heard of residual magnetism. Enough to kill a man
NSE is so full of crap. They came to my school offering student membership with an annual due of over 1k. I wonder what a student stands to gain. Probably another one of the revenue generation tactics you talked about.
I admire your resolve for power. Most people are not fans of power but your morale is unaffected i hope. My very best wishes.
|Re: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners by alobfadii: 12:49pm On Apr 16, 2009|
I must say i am quite impressed by your resume and the willingness to share your knowledge with people. Well, i am a graduate of EE and presently working with a multinational,but my experience there is not really what i want to continue in, it's broad access network (fixed). To be candid, i really don't know where exactly to fit into in telecoms. i have a passion for something that is not common or usual. i want your advice concerning what you think about being an expert in a field or knowing several different things
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