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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Dennis3D(m): 5:07pm On Jan 26, 2019
ceelog:
Engineers, Builders, Tile marketers and construction Enthusiasts could we discuss this issue of "To Tile versus "To Paint" external walls of a house from a cost perspective.

I know some will say external wall tiling is old school. Though I see some very good looking houses carrying very well arranges wall tiles design.

So my question is this;

Is it cheaper (maybe by sqm pricing) to tile external walls than either plaster-painting or plaster-screed-paint?

You could use various brands of tiles and paints to make your analysis but preferably affordable mid priced materials will better so that everyone can be carried along.

Cc: Hajji

In terms of costs. It's not that cheaper to use tiles. However. Am not a fan of using tiles everywhere. You can use bricks or tiles to define some areas of the building. To allow your building to also experience a material pattern and texturing which gives it a unique look. Covering everywhere with tiles to me makes the external look too busy and unappreciated.

My take.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 5:55pm On Jan 26, 2019
Mgbadike80:
Thanks for the suggestions,that's my plan A although none of my neighbors have a borehole or well, what's your views about digging a well and fitting it with a pump?

To me, in such a terrain, this is a sensible and very practical alternative. I will not spend a Kobo on any geological survey that might turn out to nought.

If you can achieve water digging a well, do but build a water tower above the well. Put an appropriate water pump in the well to pump water to the tank for distribution to the house as you would with a borehole. Problem solved. Build a cover over the well for safety.

I've seen this done with fantastic results in places with challenging water table.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Mgbadike80: 7:44pm On Jan 26, 2019
diordaves:


To me, in such a terrain, this is a sensible and very practical alternative. I will not spend a Kobo on any geological survey that might turn out to nought.

If you can achieve water digging a well, do but build a water tower above the well. Put an appropriate water pump in the well to pump water to the tank for distribution to the house as you would with a borehole. Problem solved. Build a cover over the well for safety. Thanks a million for the advice, borehole digging is also cheaper here because the locals have readily available labour for it.

I've seen this done with fantastic results in places with challenging water table.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by ThatHistoryGuy(m): 8:59pm On Jan 26, 2019
ceelog:
Engineers, Builders, Tile marketers and construction Enthusiasts could we discuss this issue of "To Tile versus "To Paint" external walls of a house from a cost perspective.

I know some will say external wall tiling is old school. Though I see some very good looking houses carrying very well arranges wall tiles design.

So my question is this;

Is it cheaper (maybe by sqm pricing) to tile external walls than either plaster-painting or plaster-screed-paint?

You could use various brands of tiles and paints to make your analysis but preferably affordable mid priced materials will better so that everyone can be carried along.

Cc: Hajji

Greetings all
For me it all depends on the quality of materials you want to use based on the cost implications of the two options(tiling and painting )
There are some Nigerian external wall tiles that are quite affordable but never gives that look of quality after use. And also there are some painting materials that are quite expensive too.
But to get the best of looks you have to apply both the use of good outside wall tiles like the samples below along side with paint in the right places .
Example
Tiles can go to pillars and at the foot of the building while paints can go the other parts of the buildings

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Malevonent: 9:27pm On Jan 26, 2019
Hope i can get help here.
An apartment i want to rent for business.
1 of the rooms has this unsightly dampness.its upto 10inchies high in some parts of the room..am wracking my brain for a solution..some1 mentioned using tiles ..but methinks it wud look funny...
Is there something else i could use...that is relatively inexpensive
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Aventures(m): 9:33pm On Jan 26, 2019
ThatHistoryGuy:


Greetings all
For me it all depends on the quality of materials you want to use based on the cost implications of the two options(tiling and painting )
There are some Nigerian external wall tiles that are quite affordable but never gives that look of quality after use. And also there are some painting materials that are quite expensive too.
But to get the best of looks you have to apply both the use of good outside wall tiles like the samples below along side with paint in the right places .
Example
Tiles can go to pillars and at the foot of the building while paints can go the other parts of the buildings

For a residential building, I don't think it is the best in my own opinion. Apart from making the house look like a hotel or a plaza, it is costlier, additional load on the foundation. Also you are restricted to a monotonous taste, peradventure you are tired of the look of your house and wish to change it you will spend so much. But with paint you can have a nice combination of colour and also change it to your new taste at cheap cost. Tiles is best used to make effect in a little portion of the house either at the bottom or middle or at the top. It also help reduce the effect of the dampness on the house fabric.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Aventures(m): 9:47pm On Jan 26, 2019
adanny01:


To professionally explain this is like going to a Civil or structural engineering class.

It is easier to Google "differential settlement" than for me to explain since you will find tons of illustrations graphical items to expose the concept better. The summary i will give will just be like giving you facts without proof. What you seem to be asking is proof of facts.

Simply, the dynamics with which cracks occur causes a point of highest tension and points of low tension. Cracks happen at the point of highest tension and decipates as it approaches where tension is low. With differential settlement, tension is highest at the top and so cracks start there.

One reason cracks avoid most windows is because of the lintel which in most cases is reinforced. Reinforcement bars are very good tensile resisting structural members so the crack would logically transfer or change course to less tension resisting parts of the structure. This is the reason most people would suggest a chain lintel which would be effective in stopping cracks but will not eliminate settlements. However, the problem is still existing despite the chain lintel and would manifest only under greater settlement stresses.

Other settlement problems can be seen below.
if you are holding a loaf of bread and try share it to two you will fund it opening wider at the top downward, exactly how it happens on structure, differential is the cause of such. is either one side is going down and the other remain static or the two part are going down at different pace therefore you will see the crack opening from up. If you find a crack starting from down towards up run for your dear life a landslide is happening under your house (LOL) but the truth is that this is a rear case but if it happens it means the foundation on which the soil is sitting is shearing or undermined.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by alstacs(m): 9:47pm On Jan 26, 2019
Mgbadike80:
the location is Niger state and the land is on a rocky outcrop that would need serious rock breaking, you can imagine the type of rocks that you see in lokoja, the building would be two blocks of semi detached bungalows, please what do you suggest.

These Indian companies in Abuja charge 4 to 6k per metre depending on if the borehole is full casing or hanging. An initial srivey may be nice to give an idea of how deep your hole will need to be

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mountmoriah(m): 2:06am On Jan 27, 2019
Chekitaut:
Where in Ajah?
Langbasa road, near bankom shopping plaza
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Chekitaut: 7:45am On Jan 27, 2019
mountmoriah:
Langbasa road, near bankom shopping plaza
You can only get from me 30tons @N135k
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by baaliyah(m): 8:57am On Jan 27, 2019
Malevonent:
Hope i can get help here.
An apartment i want to rent for business.
1 of the rooms has this unsightly dampness.its upto 10inchies high in some parts of the room..am wracking my brain for a solution..some1 mentioned using tiles ..but methinks it wud look funny...
Is there something else i could use...that is relatively inexpensive
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 9:33am On Jan 27, 2019
Malevonent:
Hope i can get help here.
An apartment i want to rent for business.
1 of the rooms has this unsightly dampness.its upto 10inchies high in some parts of the room..am wracking my brain for a solution..some1 mentioned using tiles ..but methinks it wud look funny...
Is there something else i could use...that is relatively inexpensive

This is a case of rising damp. This is one of numerous examples of not dodging doing DPC (German Foor) during foundation.

For a permanent solution, that's for the landlord. Very expensive, more expensive than the original German Foor.

As a tenant, like you said, it is what you would do periodically from time to time.

Take the plaster back to bare bricks. Replaster with a sealer cement admixture and paint over with the attached specialist damp paint. You may need to seal the new plaster before painting.

For Sealer and damp sealer paint, talk to Gbadexy. I think he's got some good products in this respect.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kayusely70(m): 10:31am On Jan 27, 2019
mountmoriah:
you are welcome sir
A blessed Sunday to you sir
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by alstacs(m): 10:55am On Jan 27, 2019
Teebawse:
Please oh,do they charge separate price for staircase tiling and outside pillar tilling,am being told it’s a different price from the 350 per sqm. For floor and wall tiling,got me confused

I discovered this recently myself. While they charged me 350 for floor, I was charged 60k per flight of stairs of about 17 steps. I nearly convulsed when my 2 stairs was estimated to 120k. Eventually I was able to do it for 45k per flight of stairs which amounted to 90k for both stairs .
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Alajiki(m): 1:36pm On Jan 27, 2019
Good day experts,

I have 2 buildings awaiting roofing. Each of them with a dimension of 75ft by 35ft. What's the likely quantity of long span roofing sheets I'm likely to use (in sq metres)?

Thanks.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lawofeso: 3:35pm On Jan 27, 2019
[img][/img]can this be done on a half plot

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 4:07pm On Jan 27, 2019
lawofeso:
[img][/img]can this be done on a half plot

that would be determined by the dimension of the building.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 4:40pm On Jan 27, 2019
diordaves:


This is a case of rising damp. This is one of numerous examples of not dodging doing DPC (German Foor) during foundation.

For a permanent solution, that's for the landlord. Very expensive, more expensive than the original German Foor.

As a tenant, like you said, it is what you would do periodically from time to time.

Take the plaster back to bare bricks. Replaster with a sealer cement admixture and paint over with the attached specialist damp paint. You may need to seal the new plaster before painting.

For Sealer and damp sealer paint, talk to Gbadexy. I think he's got some good products in this respect.
Thank you sir for the mention.
The best is to make precautions to prevent rising damp like you rightly said.
it's very difficult to totally lock out water that has been taken up by the building as the water would simply look for another weak spot because it needs to evaporate.
If the lower part is tiled, the water would climb to where it ends and form blisters.
The waterproofing cement to plaster too is good but the damp may still rise and surface where there is little resistance.
The person may apply undercoat on the affected wall all the way up to seal it up and it would also serve as a form of primer before painting over it.
The water may be trapped within the building or appear somewhere else entirely.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Arnoldfish(m): 4:46pm On Jan 27, 2019
lawofeso:
[img][/img]can this be done on a half plot
No, I'm seeing almost 30*70 feet on your drawing and that's already more than half of 50*100 plot.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Juell(m): 4:56pm On Jan 27, 2019
lawofeso:
[img][/img]can this be done on a half plot
Nah it can't and the plan can't even work in Nigeria
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lawofeso: 6:24pm On Jan 27, 2019
Juell:

Nah it can't and the plan can't even work in Nigeria
Why would it not work in Nigeria please?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lawofeso: 6:26pm On Jan 27, 2019
Arnoldfish:
No, I'm seeing almost 30*70 feet on your drawing and that's already more than half of 50*100 plot.
Thank you. Guess I will buy a plot
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Chekitaut: 10:01pm On Jan 27, 2019
Alajiki:
Good day experts,

I have 2 buildings awaiting roofing. Each of them with a dimension of 75ft by 35ft. What's the likely quantity of long span roofing sheets I'm likely to use (in sq metres)?

Thanks.
Its LxBxH in meters your kinpost is the height @35ft your kinpost will not be less than 3.3-3.5m. i think this help u out.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Alajiki(m): 10:29pm On Jan 27, 2019
Chekitaut:
Its LxBxH in meters your kinpost is the height @35ft your kinpost will not be less than 3.3-3.5m. i think this help u out.

Thank you so much. What do you think the quantity can be using 3.5m kingpost?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Chekitaut: 10:36pm On Jan 27, 2019
Alajiki:


Thank you so much. What do you think the quantity can be using 3.5m kingpost?
280sqm plus
input your after you get the slope times it by length of building it give you sqm of one side

https://www.to-calculate.com/construction/slope-gradient.php
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mountmoriah(m): 11:45pm On Jan 27, 2019
Chekitaut:
You can only get from me 30tons @N135k
this too expensive for us, good sand @N120k, 30tons, i got from a supplier here too on nairaland, from a nairalander, but i love to get from you.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Malevonent: 9:55am On Jan 28, 2019
diordaves:


This is a case of rising damp. This is one of numerous examples of not dodging doing DPC (German Foor) during foundation.

For a permanent solution, that's for the landlord. Very expensive, more expensive than the original German Foor.

As a tenant, like you said, it is what you would do periodically from time to time.

Take the plaster back to bare bricks. Replaster with a sealer cement admixture and paint over with the attached specialist damp paint. You may need to seal the new plaster before painting.

For Sealer and damp sealer paint, talk to Gbadexy. I think he's got some good products in this respect.

thanks!!, omo even the option 2, i dont really want to spend that much, maybe i wud slap on some tiles on it and call it a day??..that shud be cheap enough, dont wanna spend more than 15k on this issue, its a rented biz place, and not sure i would be staying long

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by earthrealm(m): 10:05am On Jan 28, 2019
Have talked to a roofer/carpenter...aand several other people..and they insisted that they cant use tie off ropes or shackle that wil act as a fall arrestor..incase they miss their step and fall. Thats a human being 4 storeys up tongue

The carpenter said it would be too cumbersome n impossible.
My fear is..if perchance they fall and die or get injured .their family will come for you..and you will spend big money...for treatment or burial.
What do you guys think

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Abdomox: 10:37am On Jan 28, 2019
earthrealm:
Have talked to a roofer/carpenter...aand several other people..and they insisted that they cant use tie off ropes or shackle that wil act as a fall arrestor..incase they miss their step and fall. Thats a human being 4 storeys up tongue

The carpenter said it would be too cumbersome n impossible.
My fear is..if perchance they fall and die or get injured .their family will come for you..and you will spend big money...for treatment or burial.
What do you guys think

Safety first pls. If they still insist on not complying with your suggestions, have them sign an indemnity form.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Malevonent: 11:02am On Jan 28, 2019
diordaves:


This is a case of rising damp. This is one of numerous examples of not dodging doing DPC (German Foor) during foundation.

For a permanent solution, that's for the landlord. Very expensive, more expensive than the original German Foor.

As a tenant, like you said, it is what you would do periodically from time to time.

Take the plaster back to bare bricks. Replaster with a sealer cement admixture and paint over with the attached specialist damp paint. You may need to seal the new plaster before painting.

For Sealer and damp sealer paint, talk to Gbadexy. I think he's got some good products in this respect.

2ndly..am thinking of buying any of the wood in the pic..cutting 8 to 12inchies high lengths..and nailing it to the wall...am thinking i would hv left the place long b4 the water would soak the wood...if at all it would...cos it hasnt soaked the one below.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by HEADYWORLD: 11:25am On Jan 28, 2019
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