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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by UC92: 7:24pm On Jun 10
barakah:
Hello House,

Please I'm having issues with one side of my fence, it has collapsed thrice in four years.
Before I engage another bricklayer, I need ideas on what could be wrong.
What could be the root cause?

Meanwhile, on all the times the collapse occurred, it was during heavy downpour.
My suspicions are:-
1) Quality of blocks used
2) Method of reinforcement (pillar)
3) Foundation not deep enough or casting not well grounded
4) Topography and soil type

What's the best method of installing iron rods for pillar, is it best to nail the rods till they touch hard ground or bend the ends of the rods so they stand on hard ground or on cast?

Please I want to learn, help me save money and avoid continued wastage.

Note: The fence is on the 120 length of the plot and its about 11 coaches from ground level.
Do a retaining wall for the foundation, then complete the fencing with block work.
Oga N3xt did something like that in one of his recent job.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by jabolo(m): 7:27pm On Jun 10
diordaves:


Seconded. Stamp Duty is NOT a requirement in Nigeria for a tenancy agreement to be admissible in court.

Stamp duty is required on (new) tenancy agreements in Nigeria.

Again, for the purpose of clarity, the 6 per cent stamp duty rate is not chargeable across the board. It is only chargeable on rent or lease agreement of above 21 years. If your rent or lease is between 7 and 21 years, the stamp duty rate is 3percent. And if you pay your rent monthly or yearly, that is less than 7 years, your stamp duty rate is 0.78 per cent.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/405368-tenants-not-to-pay-stamp-duty-charges-to-landlords-or-in-arrears-firs.html

It is a legal requirement. The fact many don't pay it means they are breaking the law. It's probably common to break the law in Nigeria.

The folly of not stamping documents (breaking the law) is only exposed when these documents are tendered in court and a judge can also take this view they are inadmissible if an opposition lawyer so argues. That is the risk you take.

Not sure where all the US reference was for in that other guy's response but it is not worth going on a long argument thing with this.

Good day.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 8:01pm On Jun 10
jabolo:


Stamp duty is required on (new) tenancy agreements in Nigeria.

Again, for the purpose of clarity, the 6 per cent stamp duty rate is not chargeable across the board. It is only chargeable on rent or lease agreement of above 21 years. If your rent or lease is between 7 and 21 years, the stamp duty rate is 3percent. And if you pay your rent monthly or yearly, that is less than 7 years, your stamp duty rate is 0.78 per cent.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/405368-tenants-not-to-pay-stamp-duty-charges-to-landlords-or-in-arrears-firs.html

It is a legal requirement. The fact many don't pay it means they are breaking the law. It's probably common to break the law in Nigeria.

The folly of not stamping documents (breaking the law) is only exposed when these documents are tendered in court and a judge can also take this view they are inadmissible if an opposition lawyer so argues. That is the risk you take.

Not sure where all the US reference was for in that other guy's response but it is not worth going on a long argument thing with this.

Good day.

Did you read the article you attached?

Stamp Duty is paid by the tenant as a form of tax. In the UK we call it Council Tax in this respect.

Stamp Duty is NOT paid by the landlord to perfect a rent agreement for the agreement to be admissible in court. The tenant pays HIS/HER Stamp Duty with the agreement as issued by the landlord.

Stamp Duty is NOT a requirement in Nigeria for a tenancy agreement to be admissible in court. It is important we understand these things.
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Amastermovic(m): 10:47pm On Jun 10
barakah:


Please I want to learn, help me save money and avoid continued wastage.

Note: The fence is on the 120 length of the plot and its about 11 coaches from ground level.

Sorry about that the image u published does not give in depth of what could be wrong or what kind of collapse..

During this down pour do you notice wind in action?

Do you have cracks on this wall before they collapse?

Whenever the collapse occur does it get to the foundation part ?

Do you usually repair the collapse and rebuild from there or from scratch?

Where's your compound water channel to or do we have it pond at the back?

Is there adjoining properties behind the 120 fence ?

Describe the soil in a clearer terms?

The collapse occur at a specific segment all the time or any stretch of the 120ft

Show a clearer picture of the fence standing with the collapse part..

My consign is not identifying this only but your build wall also should be observe careful with this with the kind of pillar and casting on the fence..

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Homextras: 2:29am On Jun 11
Hi house, after roofing a house, please what is the next 3 to 4 steps to be embarked on, in good order of priority.

Thanks in advance for your kind answers.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by RockOfAgesAlumi(m): 3:31am On Jun 11
Homextras:
Hi house, after roofing a house, please what is the next 3 to 4 steps to be embarked on, in good order of priority.

Thanks in advance for your kind answers.
Window and door for security purpose, and the other will follow
Thanks

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Badgers14: 4:36am On Jun 11
diordaves:


Did you read the article you attached?

Stamp Duty is paid by the tenant as a form of tax. In the UK we call it Council Tax in this respect.

Stamp Duty is NOT paid by the landlord to perfect a rent agreement for the agreement to be admissible in court. The tenant pays HIS/HER Stamp Duty with the agreement as issued by the landlord.

Stamp Duty is NOT a requirement in Nigeria for a tenancy agreement to be admissible in court. It is important we understand these things.

Thanks for that clarification..

I was taken aback when he said a tenancy agreement need stamp Duty before it could be an admissible evidence.

(Not that I will be shocked if a magistrate say that to be honest). Na 9ja we dey cool

But I was more interested in the specific text of the Law that requires that so I can read up and learn.. that's one of the reasons why we are all here, to learn and grow.

In as much as from a layman perspective, I don't think that sounded right, but I understand the text of the Law supercedes our subjective minds,.

@jabolo, my U.S reference came in the picture when you said in one of your posts that stamp Duty in tenancy agreement, is not only required in Nigeria. My response to that was scratching my head to find anywhere else that requires that, not in SA or Kenya, not in any western country that I know of and "specifically " U.S.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Macsjebs(m): 4:53am On Jun 11
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by UC92: 6:29am On Jun 11
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 7:03am On Jun 11
UC92:

Do a retaining wall for the foundation, then complete the fencing with block work.
Oga N3xt did something like that in one of his recent job.

Yes! I did something like this for a nairalander about 10 years ago in Lambe, Ogun state while constructing a 2 flat for him.

He has similar issue with his fence. The fence fell 3 times before we got on his project. I wish I can get pictures though.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by theForth: 7:06am On Jun 11
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 7:11am On Jun 11
Badgers14:


Thanks for your response but I disagree with your submission.

Stamp Duty for a tenancy agreement is not a requirement in most western countries and I have rented spaces in a few of them.

....

The word "agreement " means two people have agreed on an issue .

An agreement is legally binding if the two parties agreed on it by,
.....
Most judges don't like the word of mouth because it places a heavy burden on the court to determine who is telling the truth and who is stretching the truth. Offcourse since the case made it to court, there has been a disagreement and they come to court to seek redress.

You are kind of confusing issues here.
My Post relates to Nigeria ONLY, not US, not UK.
Stamp Duty needs to be Paid on Rent or Lease Agreement, it is a requirement of the Govt of Nigeria.

Again, NOT ALL 'signed agreements' are legally binding and enforceable, despite being signed by the two parties involved, as you claim/
I wont go into any legalese but let me just give you an example we use in teaching:
Imagine two people "signed an agreement" between them, for one party to kill somebody, on behalf of a second party and that second party will paid the first party #200K. (All the elements of a Contract are fulfilled: Offer, Acceptance and Consideration)

Ordinarily, both parties have agreed, signed and executed the agreement but in Law, that agreement is INVALID, NULL and VOID and UNENFORCEABLE because the agreement is illegal from the onset (Killing is unlawful and an agreement to kill becomes unlawful, by extension).
The second party cannot sue the first party or seek redress, that the first party took his money and refused "performance", despite their "Signed Agreement". undecided


diordaves:


Did you read the article you attached?

Stamp Duty is paid by the tenant as a form of tax. In the UK we call it Council Tax in this respect.

Stamp Duty is NOT paid by the landlord to perfect a rent agreement for the agreement to be admissible in court. The tenant pays HIS/HER Stamp Duty with the agreement as issued by the landlord.

Stamp Duty is NOT a requirement in Nigeria for a tenancy agreement to be admissible in court.
It is important we understand these things.

Calm down, you dont understand anything here.
I never mentioned the UK or US, my reference was to Nigerian Tax Laws.
Laws can be 'local to an environment', just because something is not done in the US, does not mean it cant or wont be done in Nigeria.
And you are wrong in that your last statement, completely wrong.
I have taken cases to Court on it and l know what obtains inside the Court.

Who draws up an Agreement? The Landlord.
For who is it drawn? The Tenant.
Who goes to Court to take Possession? The Landlord/Owner
Who does the Govt "know", when it comes to a Property or whose name is on the Property or the Land Use Tax? The Landlord/Owner.

So, you can see that the onus or duty rests on the Landlord, to ensure that the 'Agreement" he draws up with a Tenant, signed by both Parties, is Stamp Dutied..

A Landlord may neglect to do this but there are two jeopardy, he may face:

1) If he seeks to use the Court (which is the only legal means), to take Possession of his Property from his Tenant, relying on the agreement between them (that is, asking the Court to enforce such Signed Agreement), the Court will refuse to Enforce such Agreement because it is not a Legally enforeceable Document ,recognised at Law. following the dictum that "you cant build something on nothing".
By not paying stamp duty on the Rent/lease Agreement, (as required by the 'Stamp Duty Act 2019' (Amended)), it becomes illegal document, from the position of the Law, ab initio. You therefore cant rely on it in court, it wont be admitted into evidence by any Judge

This means the Court will not oblige you to remove the the tenant, and you cant remove the Tenant by your "own force" and Tenant can and will, then continue to live in your House perpetually, under the protection of the Law. grin grin

2) Stamp Duty is a Govt Tax.
If not remitted to the Govt, by the Landlord, the Govt may wake up one day and decide it wants its TAX, accrued interest and also issue a Big Fine for "Default". It can even be considered a Criminal Act of Fraud!
The Tenant may have moved out a Week earlier before the Govt came calling and if the Landlord does not pay-up, his House could be confiscated, for Tax fraud/Debt.
It is the Duty of the Landlord to either Collect and Pay Stamp Duty on behalf of the tenant or to ask the tenant to Pay it to the bank and give him Proof that it has been Paid to Govt.

Most landlord, myself inclusive, to ensure that they are not "setup for jeopardy" by their Tenants, will collect the Money from the tenant and pay the Duty to the Govt, on behalf of the Tenant. That way, there wont be any 'had l known'.

To the issue of whether Stamp Duty MUST be paid on Rent/Lease Agreements, l dont think that should be a subject of Debate for anyone who has a House in Nigeria, they should know.
Both of you can read all about it here and please dont just be arguing for the sake of argument. Ad Velorem is a fact.

https://thenationonlineng.net/tenants-now-to-pay-six-per-cent-stamp-duty-says-firs/


THE Federal Inland Revenue Service (FIRS) has directed landlords and property agents to charge six percent Stamp Duty on all tenancy and lease agreements.

The landlords/ property agents are to remit such collections to FIRS “so that they do not run foul of the Stamp Duty Act.”

The tax agency gave the directive through a statement on Wednesday by Director, Communications and Liaison Department Abdullahi Ahmad.

He said: “Property-related transactions like tenancy or lease agreement fall under the Ad Valorem category of the stamp duty which attracts six per cent duty payable in percentage of the total value or sum of the tenancy or lease,” Ahmad explained in the statement.

According to him, the burden of payment of the six per cent “lies on the beneficiary of the tenancy or lease agreement, whom the Stamp Duty Act identified as the tenant or renter.”

He added that “the responsibility of collection and remittance fall on the landlord or agent in charge of the property for lease or rent. The party making the payment shall have the obligation to account for the applicable stamp duties

Also, below is the Federal Inland Revenue (FIRS) Website where you can pay your Stamp Duty, for any Agreement you draw Out.
https://stampduty.gov.ng/

Please, dont be caught unawares, a 'Smart Nigerian Tenant' (or with his lawyer) will take you to the Cleaners, if you dont do the needful.
I wont say more than that, for the sake of our long suffering House Owners.



Lastpage!

NB: Lease/Rent Agreement Stamp Duty payment is "graduated" based on the number of years of the Lease or Rent (1-7yrs, 8-21yrs, over 21years), maximum is 6% of Value, for over 21yrs.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 7:18am On Jun 11
Badgers14:


Thanks for that clarification..

I was taken aback when he said a tenancy agreement need stamp Duty before it could be an admissible evidence.

(Not that I will be shocked if a magistrate say that to be honest). Na 9ja we dey cool

But I was more interested in the specific text of the Law that requires that so I can read up and learn.. that's one of the reasons why we are all here, to learn and grow.

SIGHS! lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed


Lastpage!
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Badgers14: 7:43am On Jun 11
lastpage:


SIGHS! lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed


Lastpage!

We are all here to learn, atleast I am.

Is there any legal backing in Nigeria regarding that?

If there was , I am not aware, I have never heard of that. I have checked in with a lawyer friend and he thought it was bizarre but no one knows everything.

If there's a legal background on it, I will like to know for myself . Thanks.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Badgers14: 7:56am On Jun 11
lastpage:


You are kind of confusing issues here.
My Post relates to Nigeria ONLY, not US, not UK.
Stamp Duty needs to be Paid on Rent or Lease Agreement, it is a requirement of the Govt of Nigeria.

Again, NOT ALL 'signed agreements' are legally binding and enforceable, despite being signed by the two parties involved, as you claim/
I wont go into any legalese but let me just give you an example we use in teaching:
Imagine two people "signed an agreement" between them, for one party to kill somebody, on behalf of a second party and that second party will paid the first party #200K. (All the elements of a Contract are fulfilled: Offer, Acceptance and Consideration)

Ordinarily, both parties have agreed, signed and executed the agreement but in Law, that agreement is INVALID, NULL and VOID and UNENFORCEABLE because the agreement is illegal from the onset (Killing is unlawful and an agreement to kill becomes unlawful, by extension).
The second party cannot sue the first party or seek redress, that the first party took his money and refused "performance", despite their "Signed Agreement".

Sir/Madam,

I am afraid that you have compared apples to oranges here.

We are talking about landlords and tenants.. recall, tenancy agreement - legal business. Not any illegal activities, cum contract killings.. maybe you brought up wrong example... I think that was a wrong example if I am honest.

But to your credit tho, ex Turpi causa non oritur actio is a valid legal defense based on your example.. but we are talking about legal business of a landlord renting a property to a tenant.

When you go back to my posting, I was responding to @ jabolo when he/she said ... stamp Duty is required not only in Nigeria...

I was asking myself where else is this required? And as luck will have it, I happen to have had first and second hand experiences in real estate in other countries and this stamp Duty of a thing never came up in those instances.

Speaking of Nigeria I have first hand experience in landlord tenants issues and have been to court in almost all the states in Eastern Nigeria, count Delta state in too but no magistrate/judge even asked that, not even when the tenants themselves were lawyers or hired a decent counsel for the court room brawl was this ever mentioned.. ( but it's been a while now, maybe things have changed).

If you don't mind me asking, which state did did you experience this in court ? The stamp Duty stuff..

If you don't mind, I am still interested on how the court arrived at this requirement, any actual legal references .. is appreciated

Thanks again.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 8:19am On Jun 11
Sigh!

I can’t imagine myself struggling to build a house and still have to go through hell just to collect rents.

Well that’s just me. I’m not a fan of commercial lettings.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 11:15am On Jun 11
And may l add, Landlords should Stamp Duty their Tenancy Agreements, for it to be legally binding and Evidencial in court.
It is just 0.78 % of Value.
Not doing so can make a Judge refuse to accept your signed agreement as 'evidence' in Court, during an ejection hearing.

Lastpage! [/quote]


Well done Sir....
I just found out that it's not entirely applicable in all the States of the federation because some States' National Assembly have not amended their stamp duty laws to effect such changes.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Badgers14: 11:35am On Jun 11
bixton:
And may l add, Landlords should Stamp Duty their Tenancy Agreements, for it to be legally binding and Evidencial in court.
It is just 0.78 % of Value.
Not doing so can make a Judge refuse to accept your signed agreement as 'evidence' in Court, during an ejection hearing.

Lastpage!


Well done Sir....
I just found out that it's not entirely applicable in all the States of the federation because some States' National Assembly have not amended their stamp duty laws to effect such changes.

Thanks. That's why I was curious on the state where he experienced that in court so I can do more research on it.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Valuepaints20(m): 11:47am On Jun 11
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by jabolo(m): 11:49am On Jun 11
Badgers14:


Thanks. That's why I was curious on the state where he experienced that in court so I can do more research on it.

When you find out, please let us know. And, thanks, We are all here to learn.

My own position is based on the abstract from the following study:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338958481_Understanding_the_essential_principles_of_landlord_and_tenant_laws_in_Nigeria_through_judicial_decisions

Tenancy relationships in Nigeria are largely regulated by statutes. Most of the provisions of these statutes to lawyers and other stakeholders are susceptible to inconsistent interpretations. In recent times, the courts in Nigeria have taken steps to look beyond the law books and give flesh to areas in tenancy matters where there seem to be inadequacies in the provisions of the laws.

I will not take the risk of inconsistent interpretations by choosing not to stamp any legal document that requires such stamping.

Good day.
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by flexyonline: 1:19pm On Jun 11
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Jasobry: 1:45pm On Jun 11
n3xt:
Sigh!

I can’t imagine myself struggling to build a house and still have to go through hell just to collect rents.

Well that’s just me. I’m not a fan of commercial lettings.

Not a fan either. Build and sell. Move to next page.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 1:59pm On Jun 11
Jasobry:


Not a fan either. Build and sell. Move to next page.

This decision has been keeping me awake.
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by topsy23: 5:10pm On Jun 11
Liper light made in GERMANY delivered to a client site.

Also, Legrand switches and socket from FRANCE

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by justified007: 5:39pm On Jun 11
Chekitaut:
Granite Price
Abeokuta
24hrs Quarry & Kobape Quarry sell @₦4900/ton
Others sell @₦4,100/ton

Ijebu Ode & Ibadan Quarry
Price range from ₦3700-₦3900/ton

N.B. Transportation cost excluded




How much is a load of Man diesel granite

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