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Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by Abagworo(m): 2:04am On Oct 28, 2015 |
http://www.riversstate.gov.ng/item/1117-chairmen-set-to-develop-ibani-language-curriculum.html He opined that what it takes to preserve a language include to teach it in schools, printing appropriate literature books, and promoting its use publicly and privately. In his lecture, Amasenibo Eric G. Jumbo listed out the current threat to Ibani Language which include Commerce and Christian Religion. Also speaking, Warisenibo Abinye Morgan Ogolo, challenged the people of Bonny and Opobo Kingdoms to make concerted efforts to stop speaking Ibo language. This will help to rediscover Ibani Language so that it will take its rightful place despite the damage it has suffered over the years. The Chairman of Opobo/Nkoro L G A, represented by the Council Secretary, Mr. Sunny J. Pepple, called on volunteer experts of the Ibani language to partner with the Council to revive the language. The event featured dances, lectures and Ibani language competition among selected Secondary Schools with CSS Opobo emerging as winner while GGSS Finima and Bonny National Grammar School, emerged as runners up. Dignitaries at the event include, Professor Emeritus E.J. Alagoa, Dr. Mrs Iyalla Amadi and the Permanent Secretary, Rivers State Ministry of Information and Communications, represented by Mr. Francis Alli among others. 2 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by Abagworo(m): 2:08am On Oct 28, 2015 |
Abagworo: Funny how far the attempt to erase Igbo can go. We all know how Opobo was founded and its history is quite recent. Ibani was spoken in Islands around Bonny inhabited by Ibani people but Opobo was not one of them. 2 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by MayorofLagos(m): 2:15am On Oct 28, 2015 |
Looking at the entry post to the thread, this was in the year 1912. Some years before that is the land purchase of Ibo territory by UAC and their subsequent amlgamation into the Oil Protectorate to form Southern Protectorate. Was there any record of Iguocha, Igweocha, Ugweocha, Ugwuocha...or any other Ocha in the territories of the Oil Protectorate preceeding their amalgamation with Ibo territories? This single piece of history, if found will lay to rest ownership of Port Harcourt. |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by Abagworo(m): 2:27am On Oct 28, 2015 |
MayorofLagos: There is no dispute over the ownership of Port Harcourt as it is an Ikwerre city. Are Ikwerres a part of Igbo nation? I don't think so. However there has been an encroachment into hinterland backed by the abandoned property saga by groups previously restricted to water fronts. 5 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by pazienza(m): 2:45am On Oct 28, 2015 |
Are Ikwerres a part of Igbo nation? This is a wrong question. As there never existed an Igbo nation, and even now, what we have is Igbo ethnic group. The question should be: Were Ikwerres once part of the Igbo ethnic group? The answer is a definite Yes. Then the second question is: Are Ikwerres currently part of the Igbo ethnic group? The answer is No, even though they are well represented in Ohanaeze Ndiigbo, the apex Igbo ethnic organization. The third question and most important question is: Will Ikwerres be apart of a future Igbo nation ie Biafra? The answer is Unknown as of now. 3 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by pazienza(m): 2:47am On Oct 28, 2015 |
Abagworo, you always have this mischievous nature about you. Like you subtly wish to limit Igboland within the confines of SE, it's an innate part of you that is easily picked up. Don't think anyone is deceived, there is still a big question mark that has been hovering over you. 4 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by naijaking1: 2:52am On Oct 28, 2015 |
MayorofLagos: For your information and those of your brothers on that side of the Niger, PH was Igweocha, and Bonny was Igwenga(more like an isolated land) Any Igbo family with an elder older than 80 or 90 years of age will always describe Igbo cities of Onicha, Owere, Igweocha and Enu'gwu! 3 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by MayorofLagos(m): 2:56am On Oct 28, 2015 |
Abagworo: Thank you Abagworo. On the question of whether or not Ikwerre is Igbo, in their antiquity was there ever anytime they spoke a language other than Igbo or had a culture and belief system.completely unique and different from Igbo? |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by MayorofLagos(m): 2:59am On Oct 28, 2015 |
naijaking1: Listen, should Portugal lay claim to Lagos and declare ownership simply because it is portuguese language? |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by Nobody: 3:03am On Oct 28, 2015 |
[s] pazienza:[/s] Keep deceiving yourself thinking that you can rewrite history with this few Un provable paragraphs... Anyways enjoy your temporal distortion of history it will only last in Nairaland... Do go ahead... |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by naijaking1: 3:09am On Oct 28, 2015 |
Abagworo: Like I said earlier, if the Ikwerre chiefs who signed many documents with the British, eastern Nigerian governement, neighboring Igbos,and others claiming to be Igbos both when Igweocha(PH) was under Owerri province, and even when many of them were civil servants at Enugu begot the present generation of confused Ikwerres who now deny being Igbos like their fathers, then it is certain that either these current Ikwerres were fathered by Yorubas and Sierra Leonian laborers recuited to dig ditched for the railway and the ship yards. They're not Igbos of course, and never will be. If they did not first deny their linage to men who stated, signed, and proudly claimed to be Igbos, why are they even wasting space making such claims today? And of course we have seen why the Ijaws would love for the Ikwerres to deny being Igbos, they want a small, and misdirected group of people they could easily manipulate. 3 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by pazienza(m): 3:10am On Oct 28, 2015 |
NOBLEDANDY: Can you pick up my post one by one, then using relevant documents and articles prove that they are historical distortions? If you can't do this, then I take it you just wanted to quote me, just for the sake of it. 4 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by naijaking1: 3:15am On Oct 28, 2015 |
MayorofLagos: If a group of people in Lagos spoke portugese, has boundries with the portugese, has portugese traditions and cultures, looked like portugese, acted portugese(whenever it's convinient for them), and in fact claimed to be Portugese before 1967, then you bet Lagos will be claimed by the Portugese today! Give me a better example! 8 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by naijaking1: 3:17am On Oct 28, 2015 |
MayorofLagos: My brother, you know a better example will be Illorin! 2 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by Nobody: 3:50am On Oct 28, 2015 |
pazienza:. Your post holds no water... You made nothing out of your points... So deal with it... Meanwhile whether ikwere are Igbo sub group or not... I don't care... Buh remember as far as Nigeria is concerned ikwere are minority to ijaw... Lol |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by acenazt: 5:38am On Oct 28, 2015 |
NOBLEDANDY:see this Evil people plan abi? Bastards so them want Use Ss achieve their selfish interests then kick them out or kill them Smh 1 Like |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by HopeAtHand: 7:12am On Oct 28, 2015 |
pazienza: Lolz@bolded. Some months ago, this statement would make me very angry but not anymore..Someone cannot sit in Enugu and make me angry in Port Harcourt. We, Ikwerres already have a sound argument using historical facts that are readily available to show that Port Harcourt was founded by british on Ikwerre ancestral farmlands..That is why we lay claims to it. Again, Ikwerres already have a sounder argument that we are not Igbos because we have our history as people who migrated from old Benin Empire, fullstop. |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by Obiagu1(m): 9:44am On Oct 28, 2015 |
pazienza: Abagworo has posted a part of it. 1 Like |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by pazienza(m): 12:06pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
HopeAtHand: This impostor, don't you have shame? Don't you know when to give up? Ikwerre can have Bini or Brazilian ancestry, that is totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. Onitsha has Bini claims, and was once Igbophobic, but totally Igbotic today. Birds of the same feathers will always end up flocking together. Ikwerre can be an independent country like Taiwan is today to China. But it can only be affiliated to an Igbo nation. If that is giving you hypertension, you can as well go and D. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by HopeAtHand: 12:09pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
pazienza: I wouldn't waste energy on pettiness. |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by pazienza(m): 12:21pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
[b] The following link leads to Privy Council decision on Port Harcourt and the representatives of ikwerre, Diobu or Port Harcourt and other Division with then Owerri Province. http://books.google.com/books?id=hoHv7__4TXYC&pg=PA268&lpg=PA268&dq=privy+counci\l+decision+on+port+harcourt/ nigeria&source=bl&ots=FbdqVtjBqP&sig=plBZvCv0CIw-b10\zu5DL5fM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jyycUZraBZTryAHe8IGoAQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=pr\ivy%20council%20decision%20on%20port%20harcourt%2Fnigeria&f=false Other sources are: University of California Press Berkeley and Los Angelis California University of California Press Ltd London, England Copyright @ 1974 by the Regents of University of California ISBN: 0-520-02451-6 Library of Congress Card Number : 73-76115 Printed in United States of America The following are from the above references. They clearly indicate that ikwerre Chiefs, Ezes, Legislatures and Municipal councilors from time immemorial claim Igbo as their tribe. These ikwerre Legislators, Parliamentarians and Municipal Councilors maintained that they are Igbo as the records indicate. I challenge Mr. Emeka Okala and Dr. M, D. Amadi to produce records with similar information in support of their claims. In 1922/23 Port Harcourt in ikwerre land became the Capital of Owerri province --- Page 269 Appendix 2, Page 246 Port Harcourt Parliamentarians from 1945 - 1966 Appendix 3 Page 247 Port Harcourt Municipal Councilors 1955 ---- 1958 D.D.”Diobu” Nsiegbe ikwerre Ibo Port Harcourt Division J.W. Ogbondah ikwerre Ibo Diobu Port Harcourt Division Appendix 4 Pages 248---250 Port Harcourt Municipal Councilors 1958 --- 1961 E Aguma: ikwerre Ibo Diobu Port Harcourt Division M.W. Dickson: ikwerre Ibo Diobu Port Harcourt Division G.P.A. Nwagwu: ikwerre Ibo Diobu Port Harcourt Division J. A. Otuonye: ikwerre Ibo Diobu Port Harcourt Division R. O. Owuru ikwerre Ibo Diobu Port Harcourt Division Appendix 5 Pages 251 – 253 Port Harcourt Municipal Councilors 1961 – 1964 S.W. Atako: ikwerre Ibo Port Harcourt Division R. Chikere ikwerre Ibo Port Harcourt Division E. Chukwu ikwerre Ibo Port Harcourt Division Chief Joseph Wobo ikwerre Ibo Port Harcourt Division [/b] 3 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by pazienza(m): 12:24pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
The above answers my first question, which is: WERE IKWERRES ONCE PART OF THE ETHNIC IGBO GROUP. NB: Smaller ethnic groups like Ogoni who were neighbors of Ndiigbo were never considered Igbos in the Eastern house. Ikwerre elders identified as Igbos because they knew they were Igbos and didn't need interpreters to communicate with the rest of Ndiigbo in the old Owerri province they were part of. 4 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by pazienza(m): 12:31pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
[b] Chief G. Nnachi Enwo-Igariwey — President-General Chief Alozie Nwagwu — Vice President General - Abia chief Nnanyelugo Ani Odunze "National administrative secretary" - Anambra . Barrister Hyacinth A. Nweke — Vice President — Anambra Chief Enechi Onyia (SAN) — Vice President — Enugu Chief Engr. Isaac Wonwu — Vice President — Rivers Chief Chris Asoluka - Vice President — Imo Dr. Joe Nworgu — Secretary-General Chief Eddie Onuoha — Deputy Secretary-General Prince (Engr. ) Ralph Ndigwe — National Publicity Secretary Chief Elder E. O. Okparanta — National Treasurer Chief Nweke Anyigor — 'National Financial Secretary Chief Reuben Okoro — National Legal Adviser Barrister Ifeanyi Olunkwa — Assistant Nat. Publicity Secr. Barrister I. O. Ahize — Asst. Nat. Treasurer Mr. Ajoku E. Alerechi — Assistant National Fin. Secretary Chief Elder E. O. Okparanta — National Treasurer Chief Nweke Anyigor — National Financial Secretary Chief Reuben Okoro — National Legal Adviser Chief Stephen Offordike Igwe Barrister Ifeanyi Olunkwa — Assistant Nat. Publicity Secr. Chief Bar. Oyibo Chukwu — Ass. Nat. Legal Adviser [/b] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohanaeze_Ndigbo 1 Like |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by pazienza(m): 12:43pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
The above answers my second question which is: ARE IKWERRES STILL PART OF THE IGBO ETHNIC GROUP, which currently, th answer is no, but... The list above are the executive members of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo, the apex Socio cultural Igbo group, meant only for people of Igbo decent. As you can see, the Ikwerres are well represented there, and even occupy a VP post in the person of. ENGR, ISAAC WONWU and AJOKU ALERECHI an Ikwerre who is the Asistant financial Sec of the group. This answers my second question. 2 Likes |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by Observant: 12:48pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
Nna Nekwa nu ndi a na awu azu o. Chai.......Igbo man done suffer sha Though i have seen that document a long time ago. |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by Nobody: 1:09pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
dinachi: |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by pazienza(m): 1:14pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
On the final and most important question, cos it's a future question and Biafra( Igbo nation) is a future nation. Notice that the first question was a past question, the second a present question, and the third, a future question. As a history student, I have come to realize that the future is a product of the interaction between the past and the present. So, WILL THE IKWERRES BE A PART OF A FUTURE IGBO COUNTRY? My answer is yes. I will come back with more analysis on why I think so. 1 Like |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by HopeAtHand: 2:44pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
Pazienza, no kill yourself ontop Ikwerre matter.. |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by basilo101: 4:02pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
naijapips02:of course its ikwerre land and ikwere is an igbo clan who are wasting time to claim seperate ethnic identity because of oil. there is no serious linguistic or anthropological evidence that qualifies ikwere as a seperate ethinic group. even the ijaws has many subgroups whose dialects are not even mutually intelligible, while ikwere communicate fluently with the SE igbos. Ikweres speack better igbos than ppl of Ebonyi state. There are Igallas in anambra and enugu state, we do not claim their land to be igboland just because they are in SE 1 Like |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by naijapips02: 4:08pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
basilo101: that someone speaks your language does not mean he has the same history/origin with you. |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by basilo101: 4:14pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
pazienza:Their names clearly indicate the ethnic group they belong. The zoo are the land grabbers 1 Like |
Re: Frederick Lugard, 'Iguocha', And Historical References by basilo101: 4:22pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
NOBLEDANDY:Yes u are right. Ikwerre are verry Fo.oolish ppl. the made themselve insignificant minority in nigeria. South eastern politicians are the brain behind creation of bayelsa state to give ikwere ppl a voice in PH which the Ijaw dominated in the old rivers state. Northerners jst carved out oil producing igboland and merged them with ijaws to make them minority and steal oil and the foolish ppl jump and started claiming different ethnic group. u can see how Buhari is clipping ikwere's wing sacking Wike. they will install a loyal minority through which they will siphon money 2 Likes |
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