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What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 4:10pm On Dec 05, 2015
Myth
Superstition
Fiction
Fairy
Delusion


1. MYTH A traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this especially the three Abrahamic religion


2. SUPERSTITION is the belief in supernatural causality—that one event causes another without any natural process linking the two events—such as astrology and certain aspects linked to religion, like omens, witchcraft and prophecies, that contradict natural science - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


3. FICTION describes people, places, events, or complete narrative works derived from imagination, in addition to, or rather than, from history or fact - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


4. FAIRY is a type of mythical being or legendary creature in European folklore, a form of spirit, often described as metaphysical, supernatural, or preternatural - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


5. DELUSION is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


Here for bash, get off the thread.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by vooks: 4:47pm On Dec 05, 2015
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menesheh:
Myth
Superstition
Fiction
Fairy
Delusion


1. MYTH A traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this especially the three Abrahamic religion


2. SUPERSTITION is the belief in supernatural causality—that one event causes another without any natural process linking the two events—such as astrology and certain aspects linked to religion, like omens, witchcraft and prophecies, that contradict natural science - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


3. FICTION describes people, places, events, or complete narrative works derived from imagination, in addition to, or rather than, from history or fact - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


4. FAIRY is a type of mythical being or legendary creature in European folklore, a form of spirit, often described as metaphysical, supernatural, or preternatural - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


5. DELUSION is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


Here for bash, get off the thread.
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The biggest mythology of all times is the one that tells you that once upon a time NOTHING decided to form something (Big Bang). This something later by billions of random accidents made man (Evolution)

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 5:27pm On Dec 05, 2015
vooks:
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The biggest mythology of all times is the one that tells you that once upon a time NOTHING decided to form something (Big Bang). This something later by billions of random accidents made man (Evolution) [/size]



Do you think i know the meaning of big bang. That's why you are confused.

If i could ever come up with big bang explanation, i will explain it with demonstrations and mechanisms i applied to come to such conclusion.

I don't know how we emerged here and how the universe got started, the explanations you (Roman holy book) gave are filled with fallacies and myths on like others of its sorts. So am comfortable that i don't know than pretending to know.


So easy bruh.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by pesty100(m): 5:28pm On Dec 05, 2015
vooks:
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The biggest mythology of all times is the one that tells you that once upon a time NOTHING decided to form something (Big Bang). This something later by billions of random accidents made man (Evolution)
nope the biggest myth is how you got to be so fcked up

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by plaetton: 5:31pm On Dec 05, 2015
vooks:
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The biggest mythology of all times is the one that tells you that once upon a time NOTHING decided to form something (Big Bang). This something later by billions of random accidents made man (Evolution)

Lol.
The way of the intellectually vacous. undecided

Again, fails to address or even attempt to refute one single point on the thread.
Rather, as we have all grown accustomed to, throws an ad hominem.

I am greatly disappointed.
Really.
For some strange reasons, I used to actually think that though misguided, you had some intellectual girth.

Serves me right for my unrelenting optimism. undecided

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by plaetton: 5:32pm On Dec 05, 2015
pesty100:
nope the biggest myth is how you got to be so fcked up

I tell ya.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by vooks: 5:32pm On Dec 05, 2015
plaetton:


Lol.
The way of the intellectually vacous. undecided

Again, fails to address or even attempt to refute one single point on the thread.
Rather, as we have all grown accustomed to, throws an ad hominem.

I am greatly disappointed.
Really.
For some strange reasons, I used to actually think that though misguided, you had some intellectual girth.

Serves me right for my unrelenting optimism. undecided
Wassup my Amateur Septic(sic) boy.
You are running short if vocabularies
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by vooks: 5:34pm On Dec 05, 2015
pesty100:
nope the biggest myth is how you got to be so fcked up
Is that all you got?
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by pesty100(m): 5:41pm On Dec 05, 2015
vooks:
Is that all you got?
I wish I had more but nope
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by vooks: 5:44pm On Dec 05, 2015
pesty100:
I wish I had more but nope
Now that together with abrahamic religions I have added evolution and Big Bang, make your point

Big Bang invented to explain away a godless beginning appeals to fairies known as inflation, dark matter,dark energy....
Its critics are routinely persecuted just as IS is busy fighting enemies of Allah


I could go on

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by Scholar8200(m): 5:52pm On Dec 05, 2015
menesheh:
Myth
Superstition
Fiction
Fairy
Delusion


1. MYTH A traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this especially the three Abrahamic religion


2. SUPERSTITION is the belief in supernatural causality—that one event causes another without any natural process linking the two events—such as astrology and certain aspects linked to religion, like omens, witchcraft and prophecies, that contradict natural science - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


3. FICTION describes people, places, events, or complete narrative works derived from imagination, in addition to, or rather than, from history or fact - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


4. FAIRY is a type of mythical being or legendary creature in European folklore, a form of spirit, often described as metaphysical, supernatural, or preternatural - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


5. DELUSION is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


Here for bash, get off the thread.
It's nice to be able to express our opinions from time to time. Now op did the following exist:
Herodotus, Alexander the Great, Nebuchadnezzar, Augustus Caesar, Artaxerxes and King Tutankhamun of Egypt?

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by vooks: 5:53pm On Dec 05, 2015
menesheh:



Do you think i know the meaning of big bang. That's why you are confused.

If i could ever come up with big bang explanation, i will explain it with demonstrations and mechanisms i applied to come to such conclusion.

I don't know how we emerged here and how the universe got started, the explanations you (Roman holy book) gave are filled with fallacies and myths on like others of its sorts. So am comfortable that i don't know than pretending to know.


So easy bruh.

While I salute you for pleading ignorance, one thing you can't ignore is that the earth and the universe is well fine tuned for life on earth. So many things pointing to DESIGN. What does existence of design tell you?

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 6:29pm On Dec 05, 2015
Scholar8200:
It's nice to be able to express our opinions from time to time. Now op did the following exist:
Herodotus, Alexander the Great, Nebuchadnezzar, Augustus Caesar, Artaxerxes and King Tutankhamun of Egypt?


Does it matter? You mustn't start checking all the fables ever told whether or not it ever existed.

What matters is that you gats start researching and evaluating those little ones you believe, to know whether they bears some characteristics of a myth.

If You really wanted to know whether or not Herodotus, Alexander the Great, Nebuchadnezzar, Augustus Caesar, Artaxerxes and King Tutankhamun of Egypt ever existed, we have stuffs that people who devoted their entire life studying those things came up with (history). Still you mustn't trust their findings, you should always be skeptical about everything. If those history books told you to worship or bow down to their findings, say no.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by winner01(m): 6:33pm On Dec 05, 2015
Since atheists dont believe in a Creator because they feel humans can just emerge from random processes, why hasn't any atheist attempted the question below.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 6:53pm On Dec 05, 2015
vooks:


While I salute you for pleading ignorance, one thing you can't ignore is that the earth and the universe is well fine tuned for life on earth. So many things pointing to DESIGN. What does existence of design tell you?


What did the existence of sand dune tell you?

Design mustn't be who, until you demonstrate that it must.

Since Sand dune points to natural occurrence, it is still plausible that the universe and its contents may come out of something we don't yet understand.


Question for you? Show me the designer now as we are talking?

Telling me mumbo jumbo stories, of how i should pray to communicate with stuffs i never seen and don't have ways to see, that there is a fairy in the sky, boi no, this is 21st century.

That's why i told you on my previous comment, it is better for me to be honest to myself and admit that I don't know than forming Wole Soyinka, claiming to know while on a deeper evaluation, it can't stand the weakest argument.
We shouldn't be arguing here, all of us should see it and know. Both of us know that PMP is the present president of Nigeria, I've never seen two people arguing on that. How come we are arguing now.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by vooks: 7:47pm On Dec 05, 2015
menesheh:



What did existence of sand dune tell you?

Design mustn't be who, until you demonstrate that it must.

Since Sand dune points to natural occurrence, it is still plausible that the universe and its contents may come out of something we don't yet understand.
You are almost there. Think of a Subaru car. Does it 'point to natural occurrence'?
Only deranged m0ron would entertain that idea

Question for you? Show me the designer now as we are talking?
You are jumping gun sir,
Life,of infinitesimally complex design than a Subaru can't possibly exist due to chance. Is this settled ?

Telling me mumbo jumbo stories, of how i should pray to communicate with stuffs i never seen and don't have ways to see, that there is a fairy in the sky, boi no, this is 21st century.
It is 21st century so am wondering how in an age,where infants know Volcanoes don't erupt Subarus, some insist on pure CHANCE as the cause of all.

That's why i told you on my previous comment, it is better for me to be honest to myself and admit that I don't know t than forming Wole Soyinka, claiming to know while on a deeper evaluation, it can't stand the weakest argument.
We shouldn't be arguing here, all of us should see it and know. Both of us know that PMP is the present president of Nigeria, I've never seen two people arguing on that. How come we are arguing now.

Once again, ignorance is good. Back to the Subaru. You may not know WHO brought it here but you would be damned to entertain CHANCE as its cause, right?

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by BETATRON(m): 8:28pm On Dec 05, 2015
Which myth,superstition,delusion,fairy is bigger than the assertion that unintelligence(nature) and chance is the cause of intelligence and grandeur?

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by CoolUsername: 8:58pm On Dec 05, 2015
This is how it goes:
1. When the founder is alive (or lived recently), it is a CULT.
2. When the founder is long dead, it is a RELIGION.
3. When enough of the believers have died out, it becomes a MYTH.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 8:59pm On Dec 05, 2015
vooks:

You are almost there. Think of a Subaru car. Does it 'point to natural occurrence'?
Only deranged m0ron would entertain that idea



I hate abusive and jerky words in the process of driving points home. The little benefit of our devoting time here arguing is to enlightened ourselves and other audience reading through in order to make a better and thinking society.
Even if we must use harsh word, it mustn't be on the verge of a serious discussion.




The argument on design had been handled severally here. You don't recognize design by complexity, it is a logical fallacy. But let admit for a second that there's this designer that design it all. Which particular designer in the mist of many other designers should we choose?

You are jumping gun sir,
Life,of infinitesimally complex design than a Subaru can't possibly exist due to chance. Is this settled ?

No, not settled yet, until you demonstrate that there must be a designer, the particular designer and ways we can verify wether or not such designer exists before you can start attributing such deity to be the designer. If you don't, sorry i don't believe you. I will rather go for more propable explanation done under evidence, prove and careful observation that are consistent.


It is 21st century so am wondering how in an age,where infants know Volcanoes don't erupt Subarus, some insist on pure CHANCE as the cause of all.


You are getting it wrong. Pick up a dictionary and check the meaning of "KNOW", "AWARE OF" and "BELIEVE".
You can be aware of something but not really know how it came about. What you're doing is guesswork rather than following where the evidence leads you. You answered a question before you started looking for any possible clue.


Once again, ignorance is good. Back to the Subaru. You may not know WHO brought it here but you would be damned to entertain CHANCE as its cause, right?


What's so bad about not knowing. You are sounding as if you know everything. You must be ignorant of some certain things. I said i don't know and



Now all you have been doing here is dodging the central point of the thread which is about the guilty of Christianity and other religious believes that possess those features of stories we termed myths.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by CoolUsername: 9:03pm On Dec 05, 2015
winner01:
Since atheists dont believe in a Creator because they feel humans can just emerge from random processes, why hasn't any atheist attempted the question below.
Maybe if you stop getting all your knowledge of evolution from pro-creationist websites then you'll have a better idea of how it works.

I strongly recommend this link:

darryl-cunningham.blogspot.co.nz/2011/06/evolution.html?m=1

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by vooks: 4:21am On Dec 06, 2015
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CoolUsername:
Maybe if you stop getting all your knowledge of evolution from pro-creationist websites then you'll have a better idea of how it works.
I strongly recommend this link:
darryl-cunningham.blogspot.co.nz/2011/06/evolution.html?m=1
menesheh:



I hate abusive and jerky words in the process of driving points home. The little benefit of our devoting time here arguing is to enlightened ourselves and other audience reading through in order to make a better and thinking society.
Even if we must use harsh word, it mustn't be on the verge of a serious discussion.




The argument on design had been handled severally here. You don't recognize design by complexity, it is a logical fallacy. But let admit for a second that there's this designer that design it all. Which particular designer in the mist of many other designers should we choose?



No, not settled yet, until you demonstrate that there must be a designer, the particular designer and ways we can verify wether or not such designer exists before you can start attributing such deity to be the designer. If you don't, sorry i don't believe you. I will rather go for more propable explanation done under evidence, prove and careful observation that are consistent.





You are getting it wrong. Pick up a dictionary and check the meaning of "KNOW", "AWARE OF" and "BELIEVE".
You can be aware of something but not really know how it came about. What you're doing is guesswork rather than following where the evidence leads you. You answered a question before you started looking for any possible clue.




What's so bad about not knowing. You are sounding as if you know everything. You must be ignorant of some certain things. I said i don't know and



Now all you have been doing here is dodging the central point of the thread which is about the guilty of Christianity and other religious believes that possess those features of stories we termed myths.







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You don't recognize design by complexity? grin
How do you reckon design?

You do well to plead ignorance of Origins but while you may not know how something got here, you sure well do know how it never got here.

An example will suffice;
1. We don't know how pyramids got here, but we damn sure know volcanicity never made them

2. You may not know how the Subaru came about but you can bet your life and wife that no animal gave birth to a Subaru

It is one thing not knowing and it is another to admit the IMPOSSIBLE on account of your ignorance

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 7:46am On Dec 06, 2015
vooks:
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You don't recognize design by complexity? grin
How do you reckon design?

You do well to plead ignorance of Origins but while you may not know how something got here, you sure well do know how it never got here.

An example will suffice;
1. We don't know how pyramids got here, but we damn sure know volcanicity never made them

2. You may not know how the Subaru came about but you can bet your life and wife that no animal gave birth to a Subaru

It is one thing not knowing and it is another to admit the IMPOSSIBLE on account of your ignorance


U wanted me to start lecturing you on how we recognize design, but i may have the chance to do that right now but let's take this shortcut.

Who design it?
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 7:50am On Dec 06, 2015
vooks:
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You don't recognize design by complexity? grin
How do you reckon design?

You do well to plead ignorance of Origins but while you may not know how something got here, you sure well do know how it never got here.

An example will suffice;
1. We don't know how pyramids got here, but we damn sure know volcanicity never made them

2. You may not know how the Subaru came about but you can bet your life and wife that no animal gave birth to a Subaru

It is one thing not knowing and it is another to admit the IMPOSSIBLE on account of your ignorance

Stop shrinking my comments when replying to it so that anyone can read through both arguments. It doesn't show maturity.
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by Nobody: 8:05am On Dec 06, 2015
I recommend you google theistic evolution. Peace sir. Happy sunday
winner01:
Since atheists dont believe in a Creator because they feel humans can just emerge from random processes, why hasn't any atheist attempted the question below.
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by winner01(m): 9:25am On Dec 06, 2015
CoolUsername:
Maybe if you stop getting all your knowledge of evolution from pro-creationist websites then you'll have a better idea of how it works.

I strongly recommend this link:

darryl-cunningham.blogspot.co.nz/2011/06/evolution.html?m=1
Life had to exist first before "evolving".
Evolution cannot take place without existence.
I dont need knowledge of evolution, im more concerned with existence, how it all began.
No need to post links, just tell us if Existence can occur by random processes.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by winner01(m): 9:30am On Dec 06, 2015
SirWere:
I recommend you google theistic evolution. Peace sir. Happy sunday
Google will give you anything you want especially nowadays where people can just write trash and upload. Little wonder many of you read and digest crap and then safeguard it.
For Example, google "obama is satan", you will get your answers. So where are you referring me to exactly.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 9:49am On Dec 06, 2015
winner01:
Life had to exist first before "evolving".
Evolution cannot take place without existence.
I dont need knowledge of evolution, im more concerned with existence, how it all began.
No need to post links, just tell us if Existence can occur by random processes.

Before you could do that, first of all, wean yourself of all your preconceptions and presuppositions so that you can actually follow where the evidence will lead you. It is a better way to go about it to avoid being delusioned and biased into believing any of those things which can either creationism or evolution.

If you still bear your preconceptions, chances that you maybe thriving in the god of the gap.
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 9:56am On Dec 06, 2015
winner01:
Google will give you anything you want especially nowadays where people can just write trash and upload. Little wonder many of you read and digest crap and then safeguard it.
For Example, google "obama is satan", you will get your answers. So where are you referring me to exactly.

That's why we are promoting critical thinking and critical evaluation of evidence before one can start believing anything. The reason why i love google and Internet is that it will give you everything you need both supporting arguments and falsification (nullification) counterparts. You will be the one to use your brain to arrive to a more propable conclusion.

Religion have been thriving for bunch of millenia without any possible counter to its tenets and moral values. Google had seriously broken the jinx and allow for more deeper evaluation of the claimed truth of all religion.
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by vooks: 10:54am On Dec 06, 2015
menesheh:


Stop shrinking my comments when replying to it so that anyone can read through both arguments. It doesn't show maturity.

I did that trying to disentangle the many wild claims you make without thinking or blinking
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by vooks: 10:55am On Dec 06, 2015
menesheh:



U wanted to start lecturing on how we recognize design, but i may have the chance to do that right now but let's take this shortcut.

Who design it?


Before we get to WHO, let's agree there is no DESIGN without DESIGNER
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by BETATRON(m): 11:22am On Dec 06, 2015
I SMELL INFINITE REGRESSION grin
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:23am On Dec 06, 2015
The OP view about religion is polarized and hypocritical.

Myth is defined as a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

Myth is not presented as a fatual account. It present itself as a word, narration through which an observable natural event, social phenomenon are expressed.

Myth is a popular belief that can contain false characters, stories, or incorrect facts, but it can bear true characters, stories and correct facts, too. This is why myths deserve proper analyses in order to find what is true and what is not embelled it. The character might not exist. . . . But when the story are been analyzed, we can unravel facts and truth in the myth story.

Before one understand myth, we need to put in consideration Euhemerism, Allegory, Personification and Symbolism. People like the op sees myth as false account because he took the account on literally. Myth began as allegorical descriptions of nature, but gradually came to be interpreted literally. In religion, fire and rain are personified as personal god, only those who try to look at these accounts on the literal surface will see them as false. Myth does hold truth metaphorically.


According to ancient mythology Cronus (saturn) was wrapped in chains and cast out of the Heavens by Zeus (jupiter). Saturn has rings, of course, and what these people may have witnessed was Jupiter passing its rings to Saturn.

Also, Ares (mars) was struck by a bolt of lightning which scarred his face. This could actually have been our ancestors witnessing the devastation of Mars

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