Hebrews 11:3 says that “By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.”

Hebrews 11:3 says that “By faith we understand that the entire universe .... that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.”

ichommy:
*Adjust eye Glasses*
Why should i twist a story book for the Hebrews?
Am not Oliver Twist.
Cc johnydon22 hahn cold etc *thinking*

ichommy:
*Adjust eye Glasses*

Why should i twist a story book for the Hebrews?

Am not Oliver Twist.

Cc johnydon22 hahn cold etc *thinking*

was formed at God’s command

johnydon22:


The key word is "BY FAITH"

Faith is the act of believing something whether it is true or not. . .It entails insertion of stoic conviction assumed without reason and defended against reason.

The only reason someone need believe something by faith is because there is no other reason to believe it in the first place

I will like to throw out the whole idea of belief or faith, lets try to find things out not believe what ever assumption that comes to mind.

aaronson:
Op, "By faith" you also believe that God exist, Now, faith isn't a tested truth but assumption(s) to fill a vacuum. For instance; If all atheists prove the existence of a new god, all you believers would still stick to your Yahweh God of the bible.

cold:

He's not making any sense. It's pointless responding

unphilaz:
was wondering that if this verse


read like this

Am sure athiest/evolutionist would gladly like Heb 11:3!
what do you think?

1feness:
Faith is the absence of knowledge obviously and an answer to nothing.

Hebrews 11:3 is a typical example of mind becoming matter. Although the verse was stolen from other book,but it will make sense to the few people who have the actual knowledge and not "faith".

urahara:




Actually that's the way religious minds reason and not atheists

unphilaz:
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remove the idea of God from the equation... and do you BY FAITH accept that the universe came to exist from NOTHING?

unphilaz:


Just as science have trashed the big bang theory and now confirm that the universe is out of NOTHING... what knowledge can one get from NOTHING?

aaronson:
And also removing faith from your question, Yes I believe the big bang theory because of the tested hypothesis turn fact for man and the universe existence. Again, proof for the big bang is the hot sun, volcano eruption, eclipses of solar system, life, natural gases, matter and anti-matter etc. Now, give me just ONE proof for your God existence?

1feness:


The science of today is still looking for answers. [s]The science of the ancient was used to build pyramids, build gigantic monuments, discovered the astrological signs, the same old knowledge that converted thoughts into matter, creation of practical religion like the old African manipulation of energy fields ...

These knowledge went underground and kept in the hands of a few, while fake religion flourish today. Religions that give no form of answers and proofs to knowledge seekers.

Big Bang theory is put in a lame mans language, but yet very complex for people with no knowledge to understand, and this is due to sever brainwash of the mind with organised religion. [/s]

unphilaz:


[s]On the bolded, it has found the answer ... not BIG BANG THEORY but NOTHING ... i repeat NOTHING... whatsoever as the origin of WHAT we see... DO YOU BELIEVE/HAVE FAITH in NOTHING... HOW can you source for knowledge from NOTHING?[/s]

1feness:


You did not write anything. You made me waste my time only for you to overlook the real info

unphilaz:


nope i did write, you just wasted your time to raise a subject which is not part of the subject matter... hidden knowledge... fake religion... is out of the discourse.

The issue is WHAT we see came from NOTHING... and modern science which we accept has come out and refuted the big bang theory and stated that NOTHING caused what we SEE around us... NOW DO YOU BELIEVE/HAVE FAITH in that?

1feness:


I felt it was rude to cross what I wrote.

However I gave you an example of science that predate our kindergarten science today. I personally don't talk about modern day science because it is trying to catch up with the past. My understanding is beyond religion and big bang theory.

If you want to know the esoteric history of the world I could talk about that but not big bang theory which hasn't been fully explained by anyone. I don't faith in anything,I simply do my research.

unphilaz:


OMG! what is FAITH? WHAT IS BELIEF? No need dude, i deliberately removed the "was formed at God’s command" from Heb 11. dude are you aware that the Big Bang Theory is dropped for NOTHING as the source for the existence of not just the earth you see, but the UNIVERSE as a whole?

This is latest facts you can google it.... You should believe that the UNIVERSE you see came from NOTHING, ask science!

unphilaz:

ok if i remove the strike through, will you appreciate it?

And secondly, it seems you are not an atheist but someone that believes in metaphysical like me but on a different plain?

Am not interested in the history of the world but in its unknown origin...

unphilaz:


ok please i need your candid opinion... do you accept that the universe CAME FROM NOTHING?

aaronson:


The big bang started off as small, minute atomic action and reaction in a form of tennis ball shape then before its expansion till explosion.

winner01:
Where did "small, minute atomic action and reaction in a form of tennis ball shape" come from

johnydon22:


The key word is "BY FAITH"

Faith is the act of believing something whether it is true or not. . .It entails insertion of stoic conviction assumed without reason and defended against reason.

The only reason someone need believe something by faith is because there is no other reason to believe it in the first place

I will like to throw out the whole idea of belief or faith, lets try to find things out not believe what ever assumption that comes to mind.

1feness:


When it come to the bible god or any obligation to worship stones,rocks and humans I am an atheist. I have invested a lot of time in studying the Metaphysical ,the planet,unknown origins and related matters. Many of which you will find in religions books...obviously some of them were borrowed into it.

[size=15pt] The power of thought is believed to have created everything we see. It is said that we are pure consciousness experiencing life on this planet in an avatar known as our bodies. We humans/animals/planets/stars are the creators and creation,designer and design comprising of an unlimited energy field confused as God.[/size]God comprises of everything including planets,humans,animal trees and anything that can be imagined. Basically we are Gods too

The Big bang is the deliberate disintegration of the energy field into smaller particles like planets,stars,animals and everything. They all contain energy and will be involved in continuous creation and re-creation till infinity. Energy in its original form cannot be created nor destroyed but will always change form.

Even right now the effect of The Big Bang(as I explained in the 3rd paragraph) is still taking place in volcanic mountain,pole shifts of the planet,tsunamis and [size=15pt]will continue to do so for ever,as long as thoughts permit. [/size]

This my understanding,but only a few will find sense in it.

winner01:
Nice one op