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Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by Nobody: 5:29pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
doveda: The only problem I see here is that you have a deep rooted bias one which am not sure how it comes about and which am not anyway in a position to query now. You made mention of Iyalojas and Babalojas and how much money they have and this clearly shows that you suffer from the same problem you accused the writer of - not being fully informed of other ethnic groups. To be honest the only tribe in Nigeria that have a good view on how things work in every other divide of the country are the Igbos, because they have lived and still lived in virtually in almost every community you can think of and I think that gives them a pretty robust view of the cultural differences and happenings. The Yorubas on their part travel a lot but unfortunately outside the shores of Nigeria which leaves many of them with the half-truth of how a typical Igbo tradition/community works, based on their knowledge of pseudo-igbo tradition they come across in Lagos. The worst part is they cling to that and believe that that is how it is and that is how it works down there in the East. I have spend considerable number of years in the West, North and East and I can tell you based on first hand experience how these different people function in their natural 'habitat' which is way different from how the average Hausa community in Ama-Hausa Owerri function and also how the Yoruba community in London functions. The problem with basing your argument on the behavior of 'these' set of people in an 'alien' community is that you do not get to see them exhibit their true traits like in their original abode. You many be aware of the people you mentioned in Lagos but you are not aware of very rich business men in ladipo and co who chose not to spend millions in sending their kids abroad or choose not to display their wealth like the Iyaloja, or brandishing their wealth in Lagos or anywhere else does not mean they are not rich just that they are not either flamboyant enough to have captured your attention or that they run in a circle different from yours. You have never lived among them in Onitsha or Nnewi or those that have hundreds of millions in business in Sabo Gari or Monday market in Maiduguri and else where. I am not saying that the Igbo business men are richer than the Yoruba business women/men, but that mere conjecture without any hard figures to quantify it does not cut it for me. Your argument will make much sense if you said of all the business men surveyed that a higher percentage of a particular ethnic group seem to have more money than the others after carefully taking into account all their investment irrespective where is it. All so on the number of people doing business you will agree with me, that if you take a head count of all the traders and business people in any particular location apart from the indigenous people in that area the next group with higher head count will be the igbos and when you factor the fact that when you go to the East their numbers will be way more bigger than any other dominating group in the business, this will in aggregate leave them at the top of the chart in terms of head count. The issue that will call for a careful observation will be the nature of the business and the sector in questions, but in terms of wealth not flaunting your riches, not throwing parties in London, sending your kids to Unilag instead of private uni or to the UK does not prove that you are not rich neither is it a prove that you have more money than everyone else, it is just a matter of personal preference and how you value things. 9 Likes |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by patrick89(m): 5:29pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
doveda:no, you do not have what to say period ! 1 Like |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by patrick89(m): 5:32pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
omonnakoda:your cat face mother delivered a packaged rubbish in you! onyeofeadiromma. typical dirty brownie, you're teaching me manners yet, your monicker is an insult to an ethnic group!! imp! 4 Likes |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by patrick89(m): 5:33pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
doveda:pained!! 2 Likes |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by omonnakoda: 5:35pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
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Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by omonnakoda: 5:35pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
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Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 5:36pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
omonnakoda:Who told you ignos are not big time industrialists as well? With Aba making fashion items and exporting to neighboring countries as well as serving Nigerians, what ground do you have to write all these hate speech? Tell your own tribe to go into shoprite biz as well abi Dem no get hand? The owner of ekene dili chukwu ltd is dead, is the biz still not there? 3 Likes |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by Davidifeanyi: 5:41pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
patrick89: You are right dear... But more than 70% boys does that incase something strage happens. |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by patrick89(m): 5:47pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
[quote author=omonnakoda is a cat faced ewedu eating dirty brownie #ndiofedinjo][/quote] 1 Like |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by doveda: 5:52pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
patrick89: No be you dey go up and down quoting and unquoting |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by patrick89(m): 5:52pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
omonnakoda: Hahahhaha 3 Likes |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by patrick89(m): 5:53pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
doveda: 2 Likes |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by Davidifeanyi: 5:58pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
doveda: I just dey observe you... I shall soon probe you for this comment and if found wanting, .....kiriri straight. lol.
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Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by doveda: 6:04pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
Brugge: Ehn...what stupid headcount?. More money my ass!!! I think I know what you mean. In fact no yourba would deny the fact that you own 80% of Nigerian properties and SMEs because of your numerous shops . Oh! I think I know why all Eastern states look like Paris You are a fool to think you can tell me how to structure my argument. They just can't do without chest-beating unnecessarily yet they wonder why other ethnic groups do not like them Why don't you take your head that is far up your ass and COMPREHEND. Trading or apprenticeship is not new nor special and you cannot base your success on your ability to chest-beat!!! Keep kidding yourself ehn Clowns!!! |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by tonychristopher: 6:07pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
doveda: I just keep wondering why people act funny. This man talked about Igbo way of business and he never made jest nor compared it with Yoruba or Hausa way of business. I just don't know why people are this daft Why don't you blow your own trumpet if you have any and allow Igbo to tell their own stories Damn 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by patrick89(m): 6:07pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
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Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by doveda: 6:07pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
Brugge: You are really stupid!!! Who do you think are the founders of some of the FTSE 500? Your father? By force by fire, you must defend the indefensible. |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by patrick89(m): 6:20pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
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Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by Nobody: 6:51pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
Why are you calling me silly and why did you have to involve my dad in this? You don't know me and I don't know you, I assumed we were having a seemingly harmless conversation and you are insulting me. it shows the kind of home training you got and it speaks volume of those that raised you. The problem with we Nigerians is we like arguing without facts, you had better go check the number of employment generated by big companies like coca cola, Google, Apple etc against the employment generated my sme within same period and you will understand my point. Or you can keep flaunting your ignorance around the choice is up to you am done trying to encourage you to start thinking critical rather than making wild speculations about issues. This is my last piece with you I can see you enjoy the senseless name calling based on your responses, do have a nice evening. doveda: doveda: 2 Likes |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by delishpot: 6:52pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
patrick89: That is because your uncle and his wife treated them well. Some ogas and their wives can be so mean. |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by doveda: 6:57pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
Brugge: I asked you a question. I am sorry if it sounded like an insult Who do you think founded Google? Facebook? Etc You are very ignorant and you are trying too hard to sound smart and logical but you are not |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by cecegorz(m): 7:06pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
omonnakoda: The problem with people like you is that you'll rather be blinded by prejudice instead of seeing clearly the merits in a people's practice. The writer was trying to show how a whole generation of people, deliberately pauperized by a wicked economic state policy, were able to lift a massive number out of debilitating poverty within a very short span. Let me reproduce an extract here again... "Many of the rich men in Igbo land like Mr Innocent Chukwuma of Innoson Motors, Mr Cosmas Maduka of Coscharis Motors, Chief Chidi Anyaegbu of Chisco Motors, Chief Alex Chika Okafor of A-Z Petroleum/Chicason Group, etc, went through this apprenticeship scheme. Many of today’s rich Igbo men came from very poor families. This apprenticeship scheme gave them the foothold to rise to wealth, for their parents would have not been able to pay their school fees or give them the money required to start a business that has prospect." All the people he quoted above had since gone into big time manufacturing, and many more that were not mentioned by the writer. The Dangote you mentioned was handed down a cheque by his grand fatther, the same grand fathers transfer of wealth that these deprived men could not benefit from, because their grand fathers wealth had been confiscated by the Nigerian government and used to fund development in other regions of Nigeria. Go and read 'The Jewish Phenomenon' by Steven Silbiger, he analysed how the Jews used the same principle of apprenticeship to set themselves up in New York after they ran away from Europe due to anti-semitic persecutions. Today, those small traders in New York and their newer generations owns the biggest law firms, tech companies, media empires, hollywood etc. The stupidity of Nigerian leaders, by looting our common wealth and refusing to invest in critical infrastructure, is the ONLY reason why many more Igbo businessmen or other Nigerians for that matter, had not gone into manufacturing, not because they don't know the value in manufacturing. I was young when Berec batteries, Dunlop tyres, Volkswagen, etc.. were being manufactured in Nigeria, where are they today? By the way, which manufacturing company do you own currently? 8 Likes |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by adconline(m): 7:20pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
omonnakoda:Delusions of grandeur. Danta trading family has given birth to Aliko Dangote who became famous in buying and sellin, yes he made his $bns from importation of rice and cement and rebagging and selling before venturing into manufacturing. BUA Group is modeled after Danta trading family. Rabiu started with buying and selling of rice, sugar and edible oils.. He was an importer. MRS Oil is a product of Danta Trading dynasty.. Dantata and Sawoe Construction is a product of Dantata trading dynasty. Yinka Folawiyon Group started as a buying and selling company. Today it's one of largest shareholders in MTN Nigeria; MTN uses their buildings in Apapa and Inland axis. One of the largest shareholders in Access Bank, owns and operates oilfields/wells. One of the largest oil vessel and tank farm operators in Naija. It all began with buying and selling! Shoprite Holding Ltd, a buying and selling company, generates 4x more revenue than Dangote Group. As per £20 narrative, it's a historical fact which we might not be proud of as a nation, but it actually happened!! 2 Likes |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by omonnakoda: 7:26pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
cecegorz:And what is the problem with your mother exactly? |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by patrick89(m): 7:26pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
doveda:you don't need to apologise, we already know how you were raised, morning is packaged insult, afternoon is thrown insult evening is dipped insult, so how can you possibly omit insult why discussing? All the oloriburuku Omo ita Omo oloshi jati jati and the rest must have caved a niche in your gene! 1 Like |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by Nobody: 7:35pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
cecegorz: My dear it is quite sad how some few people turned a nice topic, that would have form the basis for constructive argument in terms of looking at the gains of such scheme and how we can employ similar scheme in addressing the unemployment situation we are facing in Nigeria, into Igbo vs Yoruba 'dick' measuring contest. I saw a research conducted by a notable business school in Europe on how to imbibe some traditional scheme into their national program for employment generation. Part of their findings where that the best way to address unemployment quickly is my encouraging sme's. The findings also showed that in aggregate sme provides jobs far more than big companies per earnings, though the longevity of the big companies tend to produce a long term stability in the labor market. But the smes provided both immediate succor to unemployment and also as a source of experienced labor for the large companies. The idea of training youths to become a natural leaders/entrepreneur is part of the corner stone of the Israeli compulsory military training, which is the reason most of the successful starts up, smse around the globe are mostly from Israelis. These young guys by the time they left the service have gathered experiences and training in leadership roles and entrepreneurship, which provides the needed skills for successful start ups, hence, generating immediate employment and which in the long run metamorphose into big companies. Yes, the scheme used by the Igbo may have worked excellently back then that does not mean that it is foul proof or it could still work perfectly under the present situation. Giving the present situation we are in right now, I think we should be discussing ways of improving on the scheme and how to integrate it into our national program.It may not be exact scheme but we could model it around it. If I recall correctly one of the South-West governors actually proposed sending people from his state to go and learn apprenticeship in the East, that may not be exactly what we need but we should have an intelligible conversation on how to make it work to suits the current world we live in. But no we are busy measuring the Igbo vs Yoruba vs Hausa dicks. It is quite sad! 5 Likes |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by tonychristopher: 7:45pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
delishpot: That meaness is part of the training ..just Luke a teacher been mean to pupil The problem with youths is that they want it free |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by sonnie10: 7:55pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
People who do not comprehend the practice in other cultures find it confusing or absurd. The apprenticeship system has helped a lot of young men who otherwise would not have had any means of starting up a business. What so many young men need is someone who would sow a seed in them and guide them achieving their dreams. This is exactly what the Igbos are doing among themselves. The principle is simple, like sowing a corn seed, you sow only a seed and multiple seeds are harvested in not too long. I intend to write a book, a biography with mostly pictorial evidences of how this system has been beneficial to a close relative. The purpose would be solely motivational. Chapters of the book would run from true life stories of life before apprenticeship till present. With permission from the main character, the book would chronicle different life stages; as a teen, 6 years period of apprenticeship, business start up, investments, Starting a family, life abroad, return to university, graduate career, and later life as the CEO of a company with over 100 employees abroad. This is a true life story spanning about 20 years, with real names and interviews clips from different verifiable sources. Main character is in the late 30s as at today. Title is "How we Roll." 4 Likes |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by beesyb(f): 8:03pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
patrick89: I sincerely like this culture of the igbo people. You cannot but admire them for their entrepreneurship talent. Igbo kwenu 1 Like |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by gsport: 8:10pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
When mumu South West is talking trash about this particular people I laugh in French reason is poverty is conquered in igbo land few years after the war,by this art of apprenticeship and other genius art only know to ibo.but outside lagos this South West is still much in poverty that was conquered in 80s in ibo land,who get time for north know for nothing., 1 Like |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by omonnakoda: 8:14pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
Poverty is conquered and they are having 8 children to give away as apprentice? And they keep running to other people's land and don't stay at home And Aba is a dirty dust bin? 1 Like |
Re: The Igbo And Culture Of Apprenticeship by delishpot: 8:47pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
tonychristopher: To be wicked to kids put under your care is part of training? To treat them like dogs is part of training? No wonder Wickedness from people at the top in Nigeria towards those who are under them cannot stop. When being mean to the people who are placed under your care is considered training. And why should a teacher be mean to pupil? It is a shame if we consider meanness as training. Please dont be mean to those put in your care o. It is demonic Treating people as humans doesnt mean the people are asking for handouts. It just means they are humans and need to be treated with dignity. You can make rules and be principled and expect your wards or booi booi to follow your laid down rules. But to be mean and unjust towards them is a no no |
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