claremont:


You really think the white women don't know this?! They are fully aware that the individual needs papers, and they themselves require love. So it's a mutually beneficial relationship . It's not a sham if it can be proven by both parties that there is a subsisting genuine relationship; and even if it's a sham, it's up to the immigration authorities to prove that it is. It's not up to us.

The other option is for the OP to go to France and join the French Foreign Legion. It's up to him to weigh both options and choose what is best for him.

justwise:


I don't know any white woman who will allow herself to be used temporarily for visa and left home and dry as a single mom. We shouldn't be encouraging people to purposely go out to look for white women to use for visa.

claremont:


So what is your suggestion?! The OP came here looking for help, staying in Nigeria is not an option to him apparently.

justwise:
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That is the only real option he has at the moment. Going abroad is not do or die issue and not always the answer to hardship.

nefertitiram:


What if they genuinely fall in love? A relative's ex took ds mission, went to Austria, she was even preg waiting for him to come back and marry her, only for d dude to marry whitey, 17yrs later, dude is still married to whitey, 3kids. My cousin is 43 n still a single mother.

He can find oyinbo, fall in love and marry till death do them part

mantleguy:

Words of motivation from you. I will definitely put all u wrote into consideration.. Thanks sir

JayJustus:


this is what you call motivation somebody already mapped out your life timeline...lolololol...nigga you have no headway in life...sell gala its better

claremont:


You really think the white women don't know this?! They are fully aware that the individual needs papers, and they themselves require love. So it's a mutually beneficial relationship. It's not a sham if it can be proven by both parties that there is a subsisting genuine relationship; and even if it's a sham, it's up to the immigration authorities to prove that it is. It's not up to us.

The other option is for the OP to go to France and join the French Foreign Legion. It's up to him to weigh both options and choose what is best for him.

MRBrownJ:


there are 2 issues here, A) there is the brotha who goes abroad, genuinely falls in love with a woman and then tells her he has visa issues and therefore ask that they get married, in order for them to be together..... no problem here. and then there is B) the brothas who seek for the ugliest, most desperate, nastiest women out there, and start lying to these miserable women that they love them bla bla bla, solely to get a quick marriage in order to get a visa to stay in that country.

MRBrownJ:
lol, many people dont know this, but when you join the French foreign legion, their main base is in DJIBOUTI and thats where many are shipped to.

MRBrownJ:

what about these options:
- get a job that will sponsor your visa
- choose a study program that will help you further your education while discovering life abroad
- go on holiday 1st to sample the place, then come back when your visa is out, and apply "properly" again for a working/student/spouse visa (whatever your circumstance may be).
- stay home until you are ready (financially/emotionally) to support yourself during the period of your intended stay.
- go to a country where Nigerians dont require a visa to enter

claremont:

No difference between both issues, the common theme among them is that one party needs a visa and the other party requires love. On the issue of the sustenance of the marriage, statistics show that 50% or more of the 'legitimate' marriages in the West end in divorce or separation anyway, so this is no different.

Not entirely true. I have been privileged to have background information about the FFL. Djibouti is only one of their several bases, and legionnaires who get posted there are actually paid more than those based in France. In addition, every legionnaire is given options to choose from after training, so saying that many will end up in Djibouti is just being plain ignorant. I know this because I used to inter-operate with the French and American airborne in a previous life.

You think he hasn't considered these options.

Someone who has already secured a valid visa, and came to a social networking thread to seek advice must have already considered all these options. My focus is to provide him with legitimate options to legalize his stay when he gets to Europe, I find it disingenuous that people who do not even reside in Nigeria are advising him to remain in Nigeria. We should be joining hands together to give him as many options as available in Europe, not telling him to remain in Nigeria.

claremont:



You think he hasn't considered these options. Someone who has already secured a valid visa, and came to a social networking thread to seek advice must have already considered all these options. My focus is to provide him with legitimate options to legalize his stay when he gets to Europe, I find it disingenuous that people who do not even reside in Nigeria are advising him to remain in Nigeria. We should be joining hands together to give him as many options as available in Europe, not telling him to remain in Nigeria.

claremont:


No difference between both issues, the common theme among them is that one party needs a visa and the other party requires love. On the issue of the sustenance of the marriage, statistics show that 50% or more of the 'legitimate' marriages in the West end in divorce or separation anyway, so this is no different.



Not entirely true. I have been privileged to have background information about the FFL. Djibouti is only one of their several bases, and legionnaires who get posted there are actually paid more than those based in France. In addition, every legionnaire is given options to choose from after training, so saying that many will end up in Djibouti is just being plain ignorant. I know this because I used to inter-operate with the French and American airborne in a previous life.



You think he hasn't considered these options. Someone who has already secured a valid visa, and came to a social networking thread to seek advice must have already considered all these options. My focus is to provide him with legitimate options to legalize his stay when he gets to Europe, I find it disingenuous that people who do not even reside in Nigeria are advising him to remain in Nigeria. We should be joining hands together to give him as many options as available in Europe, not telling him to remain in Nigeria.

euroboy95:
God will surelly bless you for this comment,people are here talking all sorts of rubbish because they are not in nigeria to fill the harshness of the economy and the entire socail political sphere of the country.those against his travelling to europe do you know how much he must have spent to get the visa and flight ticket,and your hear advising him to go and come back to this useless and wicked country that does not know the value of human life,we are just living like in the state of nature in this country without basic fundamental human rights.bro if you travel to europe,find any possible means to legalise your stay(papers)over their.God in haven will surelly make a way for you in europe,believe and pray always.

euroboy95:
God will surelly bless you for this comment,people are here talking all sorts of rubbish because they are not in nigeria to fill the harshness of the economy and the entire socail political sphere of the country.those against his travelling to europe do you know how much he must have spent to get the visa and flight ticket,and your hear advising him to go and come back to this useless and wicked country that does not know the value of human life,we are just living like in the state of nature in this country without basic fundamental human rights.bro if you travel to europe,find any possible means to legalise your stay(papers)over their.God in haven will surelly make a way for you in europe,believe and pray always.

RedCapChief:
Clearly, the op has invested a lot of time and money in this venture and he is already determined to travel. My only worry is that the height of winter is approaching and this is the worst time for experimentation. @op, can you go have a look-around and come back. Yes, illegal migrants survive, particularly those who can do something with their hands, but it is very very hard. Having to learn another language is even harder.

I know of a fellow who went to Greece, crossed into Italy and finally made it to the UK where he was able to learn plumbing and certification (with a 'borrowed' passport. Today, he is doing good. All these happened after serial setbacks and even a stint in jail.
My cousin and his wife hustled from Greece to Austria and now they have legal stay in Dublin, but this happened a long time ago. So, it happens
Maybe you consider what claremont said about the French Foreign Legion. That seems pretty dope.

But the best way to leave Nigeria with the best outcome is education. Do you have a degree? There are several universities in Europe (e.g Holland) and the UK that are willing to pay you to come and study some ridiculously vague post-graduate course like 'International Policy' or 'African Development'. Japan has a program like this if you are willing to study anything they give you. You may meet a nice Japanese girl and birth lovely biracial children. They will pay for your ticket, tuition and even give you a living stipend. That way, you will have time to look around and consider what your next move should be.

You only live once. Live wisely.

justwise:


Please can you name one such school?

RedCapChief:


I don't know if you are being cynical, but i will indulge you.
Even the mighty Oxford University has a fully-funded MSc. program in African studies + stipend. This is just one of many. Many smaller universities across the EU are begging citizens of developing countries to come and study.
See link below:
[url]http://www.africanstudies.ox.ac.uk/scholars[url]

justwise:


If there is one person here talking rubbish is you. My mum and all elder brothers and sisters are still living in Nigeria and I visited Nigeria last March. I have other family members who made their millions right there in Nigeria. Only one of them came to the UK for studies sponsored by his company and went back at the end, the rest studied and got their jobs in Nigeria.

If you think that coming to Europe to fraudulently look for paper is the answer then you are more naive than you can imagine.

Pray to God indeed while at the same time committing crime.

justwise:


What is cynical about my question?

euroboy95:
mr man are you his god? Must every one make it in nigeria? Do you know whether Op future lie in abroad.if nigeria is all that good and can matchup with first word status then come back here,I know some one like you would be flying with a foreign passport that's not our green passport that's disgrace,I will never forget the insult I receive at santiago airport in chile because of my identity even at turks and cacoise island,and your here preaching nigeria and your family balalala may be your family is among those shearing the ill gotten loot from the public fund meant for the poor masses.Nigeria as a country is in coma for years after independence waiting to be pronounced dead.government after government its getting worst and your hear preaching for the youngman that got opportunity not to go and try his luck,see Mr justwise just mind the way you adress some questions here because your not really matured and groomed for that, I expect you to tell the young man avenues to legalise his stay over their at europe when he comes with tourist visa,not to come and discourage him.That's one problem with we africans especilly nigerians we find it very hard to help our brothers in need genuinelly.The way indians and especailly chinese co operate marvels me a lot that's why they are far more ahead of us africans(nigeria).

RedCapChief:

Your reputation precedes you, dear justwise.
Even you know that

babyisUS:



If he spent so much money on visa procurement and flight ticket, why didn't he use such money to go into any small business in Nigeria, where he is already used to the environment, than paying such an amount of money to go to a land of uncertainties?
It's a pity that these days, people see honesty as hate or bad belle or "talking rubbish"... we talk of corrupt leaders and how to change Nigeria, what about we start from changing the way we are and the way we think??
Only a lazy Nigerian would use illegal means of survival as an excuse to justify the hardship he's facing in Nigeria. Infact, those who live outside Nigeria, are the ones in a better position to fully explain to the OP,the risks involved in this journey of uncertainty he's about to embark on.

euroboy95:
to use the money and start small scale business name the business please? Dangote of our time my foot.the way you talk seems like your still spoon feed by parents,you ever ask yourself about the harsh government policies this days pertaining to business,do you know that most importers are now crying because of the way government is handling things.Do you know that the number of unemployed graduates in this country is alarming that do all sorts of that your small scale business.we all know that abroad is not easy,but its easier their to have acess to cash not by illegal means but by legal because you can engage in some kind of jobs to feed pay house rent and save,[b]I once lived out side the country and experience is the best teacher.[/b]one thing you must understand is that not everyone will make it in nigeria,same thing abroad.so it all lies to your ability,endurance,information and risk to sucess and how lucky you are with your god.so mr too much hussle or small scale business may or may not make you suceed in life.

mantleguy:
Thank you all for ur comments.. I jus av to gv it a try, I know it's gonna be really, really tough.. . Am a risk taker. People has done it and survive there in Europe. Am still young, energetic, a graduate and great parents . I got nothing to loose if things doesn't work out.