lexiconkabir:
if they were judged by the quran, it will be sensed as unfair, so they were judged by the their torah, do u have a problem with that? if a british man judge you using nigerian laws, does that mean their own laws isnt relevant?

unphilaz:


ok now if i may ask... which part of the koran mentioned that saad REFERRED to the torah for the beheading of the jews to mohammed according to your quote? thank you

lexiconkabir:
if they were judged by the quran, it will be sensed as unfair, so they were judged by the their torah, do u have a problem with that? if a british man judge you using nigerian laws, does that mean their own laws isnt relevant?

lexiconkabir:
If i understand your question very well, are you asking which part of the torah sa'ad used in passing out the judgement against the jews?

unphilaz:
not the torah but the koranic verse that you claim saad referred to the torah for the beheading of the jews to mohammed the prophet! thank you

lexiconkabir:
are you an undergraduate?

BETATRON:
yes sir..what about you?

lexiconkabir:
yes, sir, i am. studying pure and applied math in unilorin, which school do you attend?

BETATRON:
nop...but I LOVE MATH GAN..but my passion for physics is greater--so I chose --PHYSICS ELECTRONICS--that way I won't loose contact with math,and phy6

Annunaki:


Disgruntled, misguided little children. You better go and face your studies instead of wasting your pathetic lives ranting on the internet. Your more devoted islamic brethen are busy fighting western education whilst fake muslims like you are busy benefiting from it.

lexiconkabir:
it was sa'ad(a former ally of the banu quraytha)that gave the judgement, banu quraytha chose him themselves to be their judge, and sa'ad gave the judgement according to this bible verse Deut20:12-14 "If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies."

lexiconkabir:
pls point out where i made that claim. thank you

unphilaz:
@ malvisguy212
thanks for pointing it.... over to you,lexiconkabir. thank you

malvisguy212:
were in the quran sa'ad quote the torah for judgment ? As you interpret it here.

malvisguy212:
don't mind him bro, when you exposed their lies, there defence will be, to throw insult.

lexiconkabir:
@unphilaz, nawa o, i am yet to see where i made mention of the quran, thats deutronomy in the OT and the OT happens to be the torah that was allegedly written by moses, where did i made mention of the quran

malvisguy212:
Liar, you want to twist the argument. We are not talking about who wrote deutoronumy, we are talking about the beheading of infidels, so stay on point.

This is your quote:
"sa'ad gave the judgement according
to this bible verse Deut20:12-14"

And my question is :
"were in the quran sa'ad quote the torah for judgment ? As you interpret it here."

lexiconkabir:
I repeat, I never brought the quran into the discussion, every reasonable person understands what i'm saying just you, !

malvisguy212:
were do you get the idea that sa'ad quote deutoronumy ?

Annunaki:


Muslims have a lot of al taquiya resources they manufacture and put on islamic websites which are basically designed to defend Islam, justify islamic evils and to drag christianity/judaism in the mud in trying to justify their criminal acts. He probably got the idea from one of those useless websites which he is to ashamed to quote here.

malvisguy212:
this is were the uses of Al-taquiya is in progress. From page one uptil now, they are using Al-taquiya, betatron use Al-taquiya to condemned the hadith.

BETATRON:
the explanation is simple bro---i don't know its very hard for you to get this--even a primary school student will understand it

the koran is the criteria for checking the validity of the hadith and not the other way round--ones a teaching of the hadith contradicts that of the koran then the hadith is wrong cause the hadith is the work of men

Not everything in the hadith is wrong mind you-cause you are so quick to generalize-

Well done repeating a,b,c,d for you---if you still can't understand this--i think you need serious help

manmacho:


you means some of the information in your hadith were wrong when compare with the quaran.

are you saying the hadith has been corrupted just like you claim the bible

at this rate men, the quaran is terribly standing alone without any reference to substantiate its revelation

o ni ro lo ma ni eleri ohun was lorun ( only a liar will claim his witness is in heaven)

BETATRON:
the explanation is simple bro---i don't know its very hard for you to get this--even a primary school student will understand it

the koran is the criteria for checking the validity of the hadith and not the other way round--ones a teaching of the hadith contradicts that of the koran then the hadith is wrong cause the hadith is the work of men

Not everything in the hadith is wrong mind you-cause you are so quick to generalize-

Well done repeating a,b,c,d for you---if you still can't understand this--i think you need serious help

lexiconkabir:
@unphilaz, nawa o, i am yet to see where i made mention of the quran, thats deutronomy in the OT and the OT happens to be the torah that was allegedly written by moses, where did i made mention of the quran

manmacho:


you means some of the information in your hadith were wrong when compare with the quaran.

are you saying the hadith has been corrupted just like you claim the bible

at this rate men, the quaran is terribly standing alone without any reference to substantiate its revelation

o ni ro lo ma ni eleri ohun was lorun ( only a liar will claim his witness is in heaven)

BETATRON:
the explanation is simple bro---i don't know its very hard for you to get this--even a primary school student will understand it

the koran is the criteria for checking the validity of the hadith and not the other way round--ones a teaching of the hadith contradicts that of the koran then the hadith is wrong cause the hadith is the work of men

Not everything in the hadith is wrong mind you-cause you are so quick to generalize-

Well done repeating a,b,c,d for you---if you still can't understand this--i think you need serious help

malvisguy212:
there are many authentic hadith which narrate the same incident, and the fact that the hadith narrator are the collections of the reports claiming to quote what the prophet Muhammad said, there is NO way ALL the hadith could've fabricated the same lie. So your explanation is VERY weak.

malvisguy212:
by the time quran 16:89 was revealed, more verses were yet to be revealed, does it mean since quran 16:89 say the book was complete, no need to revealed others passages ? This hadith was clearly understood , muhammed wanted to write a documents that will guide the muslims not to go astray, he died with this revelation.

malvisguy212:
by the time quran 16:89 was revealed, more verses were yet to be revealed, does it mean since quran 16:89 say the book was complete, no need to revealed others passages ? This hadith was clearly understood , muhammed wanted to write a documents that will guide the muslims not to go astray, he died with this revelation.

truthman2012:


Brilliant post.

They say quran 5:3 is the last quranic revelation, how true? How is it arranged that chapter 5, not 1 or the highest chapter the last. Muslims like deceiving themselves.

If islam is perfected with Muhammad revelations, it means Abraham, Moses and even Jesus being muslims, according to islam practiced imperfect islam. So it was Muhammad, the most sinful 'prophet' that brought perfect islam.

malvisguy212:
by the time quran 16:89 was revealed, more verses were yet to be revealed, does it mean since quran 16:89 say the book was complete, no need to revealed others passages ? This hadith was clearly understood , muhammed wanted to write a documents that will guide the muslims not to go astray, he died with this revelation.

malvisguy212:
Sahih Muslim Book 13: 4016Ibn
Abbas reported: When Allah’s
Messenger (may peace be upon him)
was about to leave this world, there
were persons (around him) in his
house, ‘Umar b. al-Kbattab being one
of them. Allah’s Apostle (may peace
be upon him) said: Come, I MAY WRITE FOR YOU A DOCUMENTS ; YOU WOULD NOT GO ASTRAY AFTER THAT. Thereupon Umar said: Verily Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) is deeply
afflicted with pain. You have the
Qur’an with you. The Book of Allah is
sufficient for us. Those who were
present in the house differed. Some
of them said: Bring him (the writing
material) so that Allah’s Messenger
(may peace be upon him) may write a
document for you and you would
NEVER GO ASTRAY after him And some
among them said what ‘Umar had
(already) said. When they indulged in
nonsense and began to dispute in the
presence of Allah’s Messenger (may
peace be upon him), he said: Get up
(and go away) ‘Ubaidullah said: Ibn
Abbas used to say: THERE WAS A
HEAVY LOSS, INDEED A HEAVY LOSS,
that, due to their dispute and noise.
Allah’s Messenger (may peace be
upon him) COULD NOT WRITE (OR DICTATE) THE DOCUMENTS FOR THEM.

These Hadiths state one thing clearly,
which is that Mohammed died with a
revelation which he wanted to speak out but could not/did not. He wanted to give the Muslims something of importance which will keep them on the right path. But he could not write it because of the commotion around him. This revelation remains unspoken and unwritten and went to the grave with Mohammed. What does this say about the Quran?

malvisguy212:
Sahih Muslim Book 13: 4016Ibn
Abbas reported: When Allah’s
Messenger (may peace be upon him)
was about to leave this world, there
were persons (around him) in his
house, ‘Umar b. al-Kbattab being one
of them. Allah’s Apostle (may peace
be upon him) said: Come, I MAY WRITE FOR YOU A DOCUMENTS ; YOU WOULD NOT GO ASTRAY AFTER THAT. Thereupon Umar said: Verily Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) is deeply
afflicted with pain. You have the
Qur’an with you. The Book of Allah is
sufficient for us. Those who were
present in the house differed. Some
of them said: Bring him (the writing
material) so that Allah’s Messenger
(may peace be upon him) may write a
document for you and you would
NEVER GO ASTRAY after him And some
among them said what ‘Umar had
(already) said. When they indulged in
nonsense and began to dispute in the
presence of Allah’s Messenger (may
peace be upon him), he said: Get up
(and go away) ‘Ubaidullah said: Ibn
Abbas used to say: THERE WAS A
HEAVY LOSS, INDEED A HEAVY LOSS,
that, due to their dispute and noise.
Allah’s Messenger (may peace be
upon him) COULD NOT WRITE (OR DICTATE) THE DOCUMENTS FOR THEM.

These Hadiths state one thing clearly,
which is that Mohammed died with a
revelation which he wanted to speak out but could not/did not. He wanted to give the Muslims something of importance which will keep them on the right path. But he could not write it because of the commotion around him. This revelation remains unspoken and unwritten and went to the grave with Mohammed. What does this say about the Quran?

lexiconkabir:
The Quran will never be subject to the ratification of the bible, it has been diluted and mutilated beyond recognition, a clear example is the issue of trinity, trinity can be proven explicitly using john5:7, this john5:7 found its way to the bible at the 15th century, the trinity is bizarre to the church of the 14th century down to the 1st century, this verse was inserted to justify the roman catholics pagan beliefs in three gods, i advice you to scrutinize your faith very well, before its too late for you, i hereby invite you to the fellowship of peace attained by total submission to the will of God Almighty(Islam). SALAM!

analice107:

And little wonder you muslims claim that the promised comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, who happens to be the third person in the trinity, is Muhammed. If you shd agree that the comforter is Muhammed, we will belive that Muhammed is in the trinity.
The bible is corrupt, mutilated, beyond recognition. Yet you recognise it enough to insert your Muhammed into it, why is that? Why do you want your glorious Muhammed inside such a corrupt book? Imao. Satan is a biggg liar.