lexiconkabir:
The Quran tells us that two things were sent down to the prophet The book(i.e the Quran) and Al-Hikmah(i.e The Sunnah of the prophet), so dont get it twisted. Because the fake one contradicts the Quran, and Muhammad pbuh cant contradict his Lord, since it is meant to be a revelation.

malvisguy212:
alrigh. The fact that some hadith are weak and some are strong indicate the same thing can happen with the quran, I,e the satanic verses.

lexiconkabir:
No, Allah is the guardian over the Quran(He promised this Himself).

malvisguy212:
nonsense,

and who is the guardian of the hadith ?

lexiconkabir:
you are yet to be sensible abi? Allah didnt promise to guard the hadith, just like how he didnt promise to guard the torah or the injeel, the only book on earth Allah promised to guard is the Quran.

Scholar8200:
Well the God Who gave His Word in those two and the prophets declares that He will watch over His Word to perform it!

In another place Jesus plainly said not one jot or tittle will lack fulfilment!

lexiconkabir:
No, Allah is the guardian over the Quran(He promised this Himself).

Annunaki:


So how come allaah was unable to guard parts of the original manuscript of the quoran from being eaten by a goat

lexiconkabir:
interesting, tell me more fulfilment is different from being preserved hope you know that?

analice107:

And little wonder you muslims claim that the promised comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, who happens to be the third person in the trinity, is Muhammed. If you shd agree that the comforter is Muhammed, we will belive that Muhammed is in the trinity.
The bible is corrupt, mutilated, beyond recognition. Yet you recognise it enough to insert your Muhammed into it, why is that? Why do you want your glorious Muhammed inside such a corrupt book? Imao. Satan is a biggg liar.

Scholar8200:
If it is not preserved, how will it be recognised when it will being fulfilled? So, preservation is part of fulfilment!

lexiconkabir:
I have always known you, in particular to be very irrational, how many times do i have to say this? Allah told we muslims that we should take the Quran as a criterion over all other things, be it books, acts, etc that has to do with the religion, check chapter 25 of the Quran to see this. Hadith was written years after the noble prophet pbuh, there are bound to be lies and errors in it, thats why hadith normally starts with "i heard from the prophet" meaning it should be scrutinized, it might be a lie ascribed to Muhammad pbuh, thats where the Quran comes in, if it contradicts the quran, then it is discarded, thats what it is.

lexiconkabir:
you are yet to be sensible abi? Allah didnt promise to guard the hadith, just like how he didnt promise to guard the torah or the injeel, the only book on earth Allah promised to guard is the Quran.

malvisguy212:
I only wish you know what you are saying here, is not a surprise to here muslim say, men can easily change God word. What is the need for the hadith ?

lexiconkabir:
Ok, the laws are not yet fulfilled?

OLAJADON:

where are u getting alk this hadith from? u can just come here and tell us simething is hadith and u xpect us to bliv u...moreover if they are hadith are they authetic??

malvisguy212:
what is the main purpose of revealing the hadith ? Or is the quran not enough ? I thought allah say in the quran, "his word is completed" ? Why will you call some hadith false and some authentic ?

Scholar8200:
If I am to use their logic on that other thread,if hadiths are revelations like has been affirmed, the existence of strong, weak and false hadiths also points to corruption and addition! Then, on what basis do they select which is true and false?

Annunaki:


Don't mind him, all muslims know that islam is full of contradictions and is internally inconsistent, however they have been indoctrinated NEVER to question the quoran so they resort to lying to themselves and others about islam. Allaah claims that his word is complete and easy to understand but al taquiya experts here will tell you that you need hadiths and tasfirs before you can understand what their god wrote.

Scholar8200:
Christ has fulfilled the Law,

[s]the Words of God given by the Prophets have partly been fulfilled, some are being fulfilled, others are meant for the future. Over all these,[/s]

God Almighty is watching!

Scholar8200:
Christ has fulfilled the Law, the Words of God given by the Prophets have partly been fulfilled, some are being fulfilled, others are meant for the future. Over all these, God is watching!

Annunaki:


So how come allaah was unable to guard parts of the original manuscript of the quoran from being eaten by a goat

lexiconkabir:
if its fulfilled, then how come you say it is equal to preservation to this day? Yes God Almighty is watching!

lexiconkabir:
see, you have nothing to say, so stay off my mentions.

Scholar8200:

Why did you cancel that? I meant God is watching over them to fulfil them in due course like He did the rest. O, sorry, glad you agreed !

malvisguy212:
one good thing you say, even though Allah promise to guide HIS word Book(i.e The Quran), allah fail to preserve the hadith, which you claim is allah word also .

lexiconkabir:
I deliberately cancelled that because none of these books claimed to be under the guidance of God, what i meant by God Almighty is watching, is that, sooner or later, we will all account for our deeds, by then all what you do, God will reveal them to you, behold! He has the severest of punishments.

lexiconkabir:
fixed!

malvisguy212:
which one is authentic and which one is not ?

OLAJADON:

their is a book of adith, that consisr of authentic adith...u cant just come here and tell us something is adith and expect of to believe u...moreover their are some adith that contradict the quran, you can find them in the adith book..u cn only find them online....their was a hadith i heard of that tlks abur mohammed eating and the stew fall on is shirt( those this make sense to u).... SO THAT WHY AM ASKING IS ADITH U ARE COATING AUTHENTIC? HOW DID U FIND IT? FROM WHICH HADITH BOOK?

lexiconkabir:
A hadith cant nullify the Quran, but the Quran can nullify the hadith, since the Quran says it is complete, then that hadith together with its claim should be thrown out of the window.

Annunaki:


[s]Common sense dictates that the quoran itself cannot be the confirmation of it's own authority or credibility. It as to be confirmed by an external credible source before we can even begin to consider it. It's like mohamed making claims to being a prophet and having zero credible evidence to back the claim apart from his lying tongue.

That said, your quoran has too many errors, contradictions and inconsistencies for any reasonable person to take it seriously and even much less take it as a book of authority.[/s]