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Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by toneyb: 10:23am On Jul 01, 2009 |
Okija_juju: I wonder what kind of "perfect" design is this that has diseases like cancer embedded in its genetic material. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by mazaje(m): 1:10pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
bindex: Kai ka editing post din ka soboda akwai kuskure dayawa a ciki. Sa ke maimaita shi ka giyara shi. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Akwasi(m): 3:21pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
I think I got carried away in writing the subject for this thread. I really believe evryone in this world should be tolerated because this world does not belong to anyone, its God's and if the Good Lord in His own wisdom allow people to live and not believe in Him, who am I to judge anyone. I will not change the subject though for obvious reasons. Again this thread does not talk about Jesus Christ only. Its non denominational. It can as well be a Muslim, Bhudist, Satanist or whoever. The substance is that our basis for visiting the Church, Mosque, Shrine and the rest has been mocked. I read somewhere that its the fool that says in his heart there is God. Funny though. I laugh when people make all sorts of this absurd claims that God is responsible for the plight of this world. People should rather check themselves first before they speak. Look at the first people who started casting doubt about the existence of God, scientists. They go to the lab and mix every chemical they see with the excuse of experimentation. So who do you blame if after the end of the day that final product causes the ozone layer to deplete and result in intensive exposure to the sun rays and therefore skin cancer? Who can blame God when people unwittingly keep their surroundings dirty and start dying from Malaria as a result of the breeding of mosquitoes? How can you say God is responsible when you use bad farming practices and as a result cause a famine? I read one post that questioned why something must die for something to live. Its funny. This world was made primarily for Human Beings. It was perfect until Adam and Eve defiled it. Animals were suppose to eat each other for the Ecosystem to be balanced. Thats not cruelty but pure systemization. In the end Human Beings were not suppose to be food for any animal but rather lord over all creatures. Everything coming to us is our own making. The Greater One made things perfect for us whilst we decided to defile and destroy everything. I hope somebody is listening because this earth has and expiry date whereby the creator will make evryone who he sent down here to account fo whatever he/she did. Good Day |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 4:05pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Okija_juju: Which "design flaws"? did you even bother to either read my rejoinder or take a moment to CRITICALLY PONDER the so-called flaws before promptly queuing behind your fellow atheist brother? Many of you have no mind of your own. Tudór: dumb! Repeat after me pls . . . tudor has no brain. Lets assume God didnt do it . . . HOW DID NATURE DO IT? Thou fool . . . have you EVER bothered to look at the other side of the coin? Or is this all about God 100% of the time? toneyb: Thou fool . . . cancer is NOT embedded in our genetic material . . . did you even attend school? Cancer is a cellular aberration sometimes caused by DNA mutations. Have you wondered why we didnt have to worry too much about cancers 50yrs ago? Why is breast cancer suddenly an epidemic? If it was embedded in our DNA why did it show up only now? Thou fool . . . cancer is a result of our changing lifestyles - most lung cancers are down to cigarette smoking. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 4:08pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Atheist and christians should stop discussing about science. Leave that for scientists! |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by noetic2: 4:10pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
michelin89: but atheists are known to hide their IGNORANCE behind science. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Tudor6(f): 4:14pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
So do christians. Always looking to science to validate their false claims. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 4:15pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
noetic2: Not all atheists are experts in science. I am not. My atheism is more a self worship, rather than faith in science. We have different ramifications you know. 1 Like |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 4:15pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
I read mazaje's response with my jaws well on the floor . . . i cant believe we still have brainless idiots in the 21st century. Are you completely stupid? How on earth will some one that knows anything about lung disease talk life this According to theAmerican lung association Lung disease and other breathing problems constitute one of the leading causes of death in babies younger than one year old. Do the babies smoke cigarette? What about chronic lung disease such as asthma, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) otherwise known as emphysema and chronic bronchitis are they caused by cigarette smoking too? You are a disgrace. Thou fool read the following points pls in response to the complete idiocy you posted above: 1. Lung disease is truly a leading cause of death among babies less than 1 yr old . . . that is because with increasing technology a lot more babies are now born PREMATURE (at least 10 weeks before the normal delivery date)! Human lungs do not fully develop until 2 yrs AFTER birth and the cells responsible for producing surfactant (keeps the air sacs open and prevents atelectasis) are not fully formed in premature babies hence they are at greater risk of developing bronchopulmonary displasia. It has NOTHING to do with smoking you fool. 2. lol i laughed so much at the portion you wrote which i highlighted . . . instead of wasting my precious time on this uneducated buffon i chose to copy/paste this portion from wikipedia - [size=14pt]The primary risk factor for COPD is chronic tobacco smoking. In the United States, 80 to 90% of cases of COPD are due to smoking.[/size] My dear . . . try studying first before rushing to grab a computer. You expose your own illiteracy. 3. The grand designer indeed designed our lungs to be very efficient at gas exchange . . . infact 95% of the cells that line the alveolar wall are Type I epithelial cells which are specifically designed for gas exchange. The rest of the airspace is lined with larger type II cells that keep the alveolar wall lubricated and prevents them from collapsing after expiration . . . if you destroy your type I cells from smoking . . . how is that the designers fault? |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 4:18pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Why cant i see certain posts? My last post and mazaje's post are nowhere to be found! |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 4:18pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
I read mazaje's response with my jaws well on the floor . . . i cant believe we still have brainless idiots in the 21st century. Are you completely stupid? How on earth will some one that knows anything about lung disease talk life this According to theAmerican lung association Lung disease and other breathing problems constitute one of the leading causes of death in babies younger than one year old. Do the babies smoke cigarette? What about chronic lung disease such as asthma, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) otherwise known as emphysema and chronic bronchitis are they caused by cigarette smoking too? You are a disgrace. Thou fool read the following points pls in response to the complete idiocy you posted above: 1. Lung disease is truly a leading cause of death among babies less than 1 yr old . . . that is because with increasing technology a lot more babies are now born PREMATURE (at least 10 weeks before the normal delivery date)! Human lungs do not fully develop until 2 yrs AFTER birth and the cells responsible for producing surfactant (keeps the air sacs open and prevents atelectasis) are not fully formed in premature babies hence they are at greater risk of developing bronchopulmonary displasia. It has NOTHING to do with smoking you fool. 2. lol i laughed so much at the portion you wrote which i highlighted . . . instead of wasting my precious time on this uneducated buffon i chose to copy/paste this portion from wikipedia - [size=14pt]The primary risk factor for COPD is chronic tobacco smoking. In the United States, 80 to 90% of cases of COPD are due to smoking.[/size] My dear . . . try studying first before rushing to grab a computer. You expose your own illiteracy. 3. The grand designer indeed designed our lungs to be very efficient at gas exchange . . . infact 95% of the cells that line the alveolar wall are Type I epithelial cells which are specifically designed for gas exchange. The rest of the airspace is lined with larger type II cells that keep the alveolar wall lubricated and prevents them from collapsing after expiration . . . if you destroy your type I cells from smoking . . . how is that the designers fault? |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Tudor6(f): 4:22pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
According to you,Who created tobacco? A perfect designer would know not to include harmful materials in his creation. Except he himself is as foolish as his followers. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Tudor6(f): 4:22pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
According to you,Who created tobacco? A perfect designer would know not to include harmful materials in his creation. Except he himself is as foolish as his followers. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 4:24pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
@ Tudor uhmmm again. Why this embarassment na? |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by noetic2: 4:25pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Tudór: u know this is false. we only use science to reveal ur ignorance when u hide behind it (science) michelin89: ok. so can I ask. why are u an atheist? I expect explicit reasons. davidylan: uhmn. . .well stated. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 4:27pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
noetic2: I can't adore anyone else but me! |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by noetic2: 4:33pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
michelin89: that was simple and honest. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Tudor6(f): 4:44pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
@michelin89 what embarrasment? |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 4:57pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Tudór: The perfect designer also created morphine, a very powerful anti-pain medication used by terminal cancer patients . . . but it can also be abused and become an addiction. Should the perfect designer not include materials simply because you dont have the willpower to use it responsibly? |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 4:59pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Tudór: No, you guys like to cloak your ignorance and unbelief with a misrepresentation of science. We look to expose your unclothedness by reaching out to science too. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 5:01pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Tudór: Even in christianity, men are not free from responsibilities. So if a man smokes and damages himself, do you blame god for creating tobacco? That's ridiculous. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by toneyb: 5:46pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
davidylan: Bindex said this and I completely agree with him "Evolutions has provided satisfactory answers to all these. You can write a scientific paper and present it to the members of the national academy of sciences who all believe in it's explanations for all the things you have outlined and debunk its claims if you do not accept the explanation that evolution provides. I rather believe the explanations of real and accomplished(NAS members) scientist, than listen to the rants of a disgruntled jesus freak who keeps crying about evolution because it puts to shame his holy bible that says the earth was created before the sun and that humans were created from dust. As for the liver all i have to say is this,is it the same liver that is plagued with so many disease? Evolution has explained all that again let me see your paper that disproves evolution after you must have presented it to the members of the NAS who happen to be accomplished scientist by the way not like you this deluded bible grabing goon who believes the words of equally deluded goons that the stars will fall from the sky on the day when jesus will come. What have your own imaginary designer got to say about science? Stripped goats can be produced by putting stripped sticks in front of mating goats. Very nice. Deluded goon." Thou fool . . . cancer is NOT embedded in our genetic material . . . did you even attend school? Stop calling yourself a scientist because you are not you are a shamless embarassment to the scientist community if you really make comments like this. Nearly all cancers are caused by abnormalities in the genetic material of the transformed cells.Why didn't your grand designer design DNA that does not aberrate? davidylan: I can't stop laughting at this pathetic case. Did you really read what you wrote? Did you read what he said to understand what he really said or did you just rush up to discredit yourself? This what you said Did the designer force a cigarette into your mouth to smoke? Why shld he design a filter so you can indulge in your own immorality and sin? Why are billions dying at 90 with NO lung disease? And he said that According to the American lung association Lung disease and other breathing problems constitute one of the leading causes of death in babies younger than one year old. Do the babies smoke cigarette? You brought up the case of smoking and implied as if that is the only cause of all lung diseases all he did was show you a lung disease that exist in babies that has nothing to do with smoking. Why did you grand designer design a system where babies can be born prematurely in the first place?
You keep talking about smoking and embarassing yourself. What about Asthma ,Chronic bronchitis, Eosinophilic pneumonia, Pulmonary alveolar proteinosis, Pulmonary anthrax, Pulmonary arteriovenous malformation, Pulmonary edema ,Pulmonary veno-occlusive disease, Rheumatoid lung disease and Pulmonary embolus are all these lung disease caused by smoking cigarrte? There are numerous other lung diseases that have nothing to do with cigarrtes at all. Stop embarassing your self by speaking about smoking all the time. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by toneyb: 5:51pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
davidylan: Which science are you talking about? is it the same science that has discredited and is still discrediting the word of your god(bible) with its discoveries? How is god did it science? Pls define science for me. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Uche2nna(m): 5:55pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Hmmmm, I really like to stay out of discussions like this cos it gets nowhere but sometimes U see posts that make ur jaw want to drop I will have to agree with Michelin, please leave the science for the scientist especially when U really dont know what U are saying. How can U say that Cancer is embedded in the human genome? Is there a gene that codes for cancer in the human genome, scratch that, in any genome for that matter? |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 6:03pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Again we are forced to read the tortuously sad rants of men who dont know but pretend that they do. toneyb: Here is the problem with the above bull . . . we keep reading nonsense about "evolution explaining all that" . . . but each time we ASK FOR THESE EXPLANATIONS you dont say anything AT ALL. [size=14pt]What EXACTLY does evolution explain? Can someone write it out in plain language?[/size] Why do we read that "evolution has explained all" and yet are inundated with vague nonsense that explains nothing? toneyb: This is what you originally wrote - I wonder what kind of "perfect" design is this that has diseases like cancer embedded in its genetic material. Now all of a sudden you've changed tack to claim that cancer is caused by an "abnormality" in genetic material AFTER i corrected you? Which is it? Is cancer naturally embedded or is it an abnormality? Now your above write up is purely stupid and yet again more evidence that many of you simply post without thinking: 1. Most cancers are caused by DNA mutations but a lot are caused by several other factors that promote excessive cell growth and have nothing to do with DNA at all. 2. If the grand designer had designed DNA that cannot undergo aberration . . . two things would have happened - a. We would be totally unable to adapt as effectively to different environments as we do now. For example - sickle cell disease is a single amino acid mutation that protects against malaria (for those who have the mutation on only one allele). b. Most importantly it would have COMPLETELY DESTROYED THE CLAIM THAT MAN EVOLVED! toneyb: the problem here wasnt me but YOU. I NEVER implied that smoking causes all lung diseases, i was addressing ADULT LUNG disease and not that in children. Mazaje then talks about lung disease in babies and i rightfully debunked that also (even though you completely ignored it) as being a product of improvement in medical care that ensures we can now raise babies born way too premature for their lungs to cope outside the womb. Premature birth is the number 1 risk factor for postnatal lung disease. Try reading up you illiterate. toneyb: This is again an example of your own stupidity and ignorance. 1. you talked of chronic bronchitis - actually it is a PART of COPD! 80-90% of which is caused PRIMARILY by cigarette smoking. 2. Smoking is not the only cause of lung disease and no where did i imply that, if anything i consistently have harped on the fact that majority of the diseases you mention are CLEARLY NOT a result of a flawed human design BUT a result of our diet, lifestyles and poor choices. None of the diseases you mention occur spontaneously without an aetiology! That is the point! It is more important to understand the import of a post than to rush to expose your own naivette. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 6:04pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Uche2nna: I tire for am! |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Tudor6(f): 6:06pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
@michelin89 yes i do blame god for creating tobacco. It shows a height of irresponsibility on the part of the creator, the same irresponsibility allowed him to keep the ''forbidden fruit" in the garden of eden knowing fully well adam and eve might disobey him. What stops him from relocating the tree somewhere else?. . . . You keep a gun on the dining table and tell junior: don't touch that gun it's dangerous. Junior later picks up the gun and blasts your husband. Whose responsible?. . . .junior bears some responsibility but the greater goes to you. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 6:06pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
toneyb: In short why did the grand designer design a system where fools can be born at all? |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 6:09pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Tudór: Na you know! |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Tudor6(f): 6:23pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Quote from :davidylan The perfect designer also created morphine, a powerful anti-pain medication used by terminal cancer patients. . . . . But it can also be abused and become an addiction. . .I wonder where you get your definition of perfect, but a creation that can cause harm is imperfect no matter the good it can do. |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Chrisbenogor(m): 6:27pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Yet again the argument turns into evolution versus creation, I tire oh! Do we have to tolerate the atheist oya make una talk |
Re: Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest? by Nobody: 6:27pm On Jul 01, 2009 |
Tudór: I dont think you have anything else to say. Come back when you have more substantive points. |
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