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Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by Nobody: 11:27pm On Feb 03, 2016 |
Marxxx: The guys who trained those graduate trainee in your company are dullards. |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by abiolert(m): 11:33pm On Feb 03, 2016 |
Op you are so wicked. beside, exam is not really the best way to test one's knowledge. you should have just allowed another person do it. I bet you , if you were the one on that hot sit you and a question like this " who is the president of Liberia " is asked, I guess you would have failed it too. 1 Like |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by Marxxx: 11:39pm On Feb 03, 2016 |
tearoses:As a trainee here; you also get a share from the profit made by the firm. I won't disclose much but let me tell you, Mckinsey gives housing allowance of over a million to B.A's yearly....here as a Trainee at least you get a quarter of a million as your housing allowance This was over six years ago, I don't know how much they get now....let alone their take home. Senior partners here are paid in Usd....bro I can't divulge more than this....I am yet to see someone who rejects an offer though |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by Bigtoto(f): 11:53pm On Feb 03, 2016 |
Mrlekan07034617:you are right about that though. But whenever I conduct recruitment exercises, I use such questions only for written exams. Moreover, I'd have to go thru the pages of their credentials because I got to ask them questions based on how they presented themselves. I'm sure they all came prepared but not expectant. Mathematics use to be my best subject but schooling in 9ja university killed my morale oh. abeg no laugh oh! |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by Nobody: 12:06am On Feb 04, 2016 |
Marxxx: Like I said, you don't get rejections because there are many applicants chasing few jobs. its also not all about money.....there are people behind those payslips and it sucks even more when foreign companies who know better treat Nigerians very badly just because they can. Keeping an applicant waiting for 1,5 hours is totally unacceptable and this same Mckinsey dare not do that to an applicant in the UK 1 Like |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by Marxxx: 12:14am On Feb 04, 2016 |
Tacticalmind:You sound like one from the Hr unit. Unfortunately things here is a bit different. You are promoted based on efficiency. In fact the partners here in Nigeria are just here to attend meetings, win clients and we clean up the mess. As long as you are efficient we will find a place for you. We are that flexible. If you are a lone ranger/sadist....we will send you to research unit. In some branches outside Nigeria there are some of our colleagues who don't interact with females and they do their job.....If you prefer working alone there are special tasks...."work never ends"....your personal evaluation is done in the UK based on the number of task you have done efficiently. Instead of firing me, I will gladly tell you that those that we joined the firm together are 3 steps lower than me. I could have left the firm for but the freedom I enjoy here and the way they vary their style to accommodate you is something I can't trade easily 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by An0nimus: 12:33am On Feb 04, 2016 |
Funny enough it's situations like this I pray for. Situations that let you know it's only by grace. Imagine not having a stellar CV or high aptitude test scores like the other 3 and the HR manager throws this question at you and you hit it under 30seconds. 1 Like |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by foriz4u(m): 1:09am On Feb 04, 2016 |
Marxxx:u HR enh sometimes It sometimes its seems like rocket science to understand y u guys choice to demoralize n discredit someone's hard work which took combine efforts from both parent n individual for several yrs to build. that u have a job n r in d position to outsource others doesn't mean you should ridicle or make poor n job testing applicants look useless n worthless even knowing no one is ever useless. ask urself, did u graduate with a 1st class? even though u did, it is eveytin u no? since u no ur weakness with meeting ppl u could ve as well appoint someone else with directives or better still get back to them thru mail after accessing their document/CVs instead of lashing their hope after all the stress, time n money they've spent getting to that stage. diaris god o! beta pray for God's forgiveness n call the once ur instinct tells u will perform because to me? they r all ova qualify. |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by bezimo(m): 1:29am On Feb 04, 2016 |
abbey621: You also do not know if the role applied for relates to engineering or has a mathematical component, my assumption was if it does, the question asked the 5 candidates is not out of place and on the basis of that I disagree that the hiring process is flawed.Besides you do not dictate to a potential employer about questions you want him/her to ask you rather you are asked questions that the employer deems necessary to ascertain certain qualities and abilities that the employer may need in prospective employees.The question could be quantitative, behavioural or qualitative in nature |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by nouvelle(f): 1:32am On Feb 04, 2016 |
@ Marxxx, I can understand the position you were in and the pressure you were under and the fact that you didn't want to dent your record but what you asked them should have been part of the aptitude test, since 5 out of 6 failed, you should have asked them all an interactive question, to see how well they hold their own. We all can't be good in all aspects, no matter how 'sharp' someone is, it's difficult to get all questions right when under pressure. My question is this: the lady you confirmed based on her quick response, what's the guarantee that she won't under perform on the job and still dent your record or is solving mathematics part of the job function? Always give people second chances because you may need it yourself too someday My thoughts though. Enjoy Modified: @Marxxx, because I kept seeing people referring to your other post, I decided to read it. Having read it, I am even now more certain that you shouldn't have brushed the trainees off the way you did. You are trying to push your girlfriend into a job, you feel she has the potential but you said yourself that she has bad village accent and has refused to reinvent herself. So how would you feel if someone refuses to see her potential at an interview in one of the companies you know their hidden slots as you claimed and is fixated on her accent and refuses to employ her. Then you also stated that the first time you went to Lagos was for job interview and you did well at the interview but also had terrible accent but you were employed inspite of it and you have now worked on your accent Abi? And you talk well now. So if someone looked beyond how well you did at interview but was also fixated on your accent would you be where you are now? It boils down to the same thing, give people second chances mbok (as udysweet will say) 12 Likes |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by abbey621(m): 1:48am On Feb 04, 2016 |
bezimo: When I said that the hiring process is flawed, I'm talking from an employer's perspective. I've hired my share of candidates and I've also been to many job interviews. Trust me when I say that you can't hire the best candidates based on one arithmetic or critical thinking question, this is not an opinion but facts based on expert analysis. In fact hiring managers are advised to follow best practices/standards when it comes to the recruitment process, if you visit sites such as [url]shrm.org[/url] and become a member, you'll be enlightened at how the best companies in the world hire and retain top talents. |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by bezimo(m): 1:56am On Feb 04, 2016 |
abbey621: I won't want to challenge you further on your position. It's clear we have different views. But on a lighter note, it seems you never liked maths during your undergraduate and high school days hence the expression of your displeasure for the Op hiring approach of using high school basic algebra to assess the candidates. |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by abbey621(m): 2:11am On Feb 04, 2016 |
bezimo: On the contrary, I studied Computer Science with Mathematics and I can appreciate the critical thinking aspect of mathematics both abstract and linear. I've since ventured more into business and management with my 2nd bachelors in Business management, an MBA and an MS in Information Systems, currently I'm juggling working for one of the top 50 companies in America with running my own consulting business and finishing up my PHD, let's just say mathematics is the last thing on my mind.... |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by gentletalkaktiv: 2:33am On Feb 04, 2016 |
Marxxx: Hmm...Mr Marxxx the OP,I had to spare precious time to read through this thread.I must as a matter of fact say that the equation you gave them to solve is actually very elementary but the thing is you really can't judge folks who scaled through more brain tasking hurdles before getting to that stage because they failed a simple equation!!! Well,when next you find yourself in such a situation I think it will be better to have an intellectual chat with them.what if they just melted under pressure for reasons known to them?i actually solved that question with one line&that's like 10secs or so but what guarantees i'll do well on the job?it wasn't well done bro. 2 Likes |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by iebanehita(m): 2:35am On Feb 04, 2016 |
Marxxx I must say you are really some weirdo. I could only imagine the kind of lifestyle you choose for yourself, having gone through both of your threads.. And I must admit you're really good at what you do. My main concern is what happened to the other four trainees you didn't confirm? After you called the HR Manager and told then your decision to come and confirm the rest, what was their reply? I await your response. |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by Nobody: 3:41am On Feb 04, 2016 |
E =4 but in the grand scheme of things, what did this accomplish even if one were to get it correct? That the person too a very basic (around 6th grade math course)? How does this demonstrate their ability to propel your company forward? If I were your supervisor, I would have given you the evil eye for such foolishness as a hiring manager. Your exercise only helped to boost your little ego and nothing more. mttttchew.. lol 1 Like |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by jaybee3(m): 5:03am On Feb 04, 2016 |
tearoses: He should have assessed them using competency based questions but then again he explained he wasn't prepared for the task hence the questionable decision making process he deployed to select the successful candidate Besides, he should have tested their numerical reasoning skills with something financial trainees are expected to be familiar with e.g cross currency conversion mental maths I interview programmers from time to time and those that usually get the job aren't necessarily the best technically gifted but those with the right blend of technical ability and demonstrable people skills 2 Likes |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by Validated: 6:26am On Feb 04, 2016 |
What you make happen for others will happen to you. Two points, you are not a leader, rather a manager. Failing 80% First Class graduates because of fear of their future performance is clear indication that you are highly risk averse and not a good candidate for leadership. Secondly, the math test does not in any way prove anything. A "dumb" may have come across such a problem just a day before and pass it while a genius may fail it. Please improve you decision making ability. 5 Likes |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by Nobody: 7:37am On Feb 04, 2016 |
Haha....Mr. Versatility dey give excuse. What old lecture note? Lol. You see how dumb I just made you look? Now you don't have time, but I thought you have read wide. You still have some 56hours more to answer the damn question. Go gather all your superiors and professors. You are free to cheat sef. If you answer it, I'll give you N500,000. On my life! Mrlekan07034617: 2 Likes |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by missKiffy(f): 7:38am On Feb 04, 2016 |
Marxxx:And if I do? oops I just did have not even started with you and your claiming you've had enough 1 Like |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by Nobody: 7:40am On Feb 04, 2016 |
InformedLola: I surprise oooo!!! Its not a must that applicants ability be tested by mathematics alone? @ Maxx,You said one of the applicant has a B.A Degree, definitely such a person will not be that good at mathematics like the B.Sc and B.Tech or B.Eng.................... you need to revisit your decision. thats the best for you and the candidates, remember you are once like them looking for job not knowing what the future holds. Thanks and make corrections please. |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by bibiking7(m): 7:45am On Feb 04, 2016 |
correctyourself: Amen to this comment. |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by yoged(m): 7:45am On Feb 04, 2016 |
Almighty GOd . Baba dada. Pls don't let me come acrross such a horrible person like the OP in my life . You think it's by arithmetic? Or are they coming to your company to solve one useless arithmetic.you will reap what you sow . Remember your own kids too. Bs 5 Likes |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by Nobody: 7:53am On Feb 04, 2016 |
bezimo: So, students of Humanities will never pass recruitment test in your organization. so far its all based on arithmetic, i guess the language in your office is arithmetic too, your organization is an algebra company full of arithmetic. 1 Like |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by zeezy1: 7:55am On Feb 04, 2016 |
[quote author=jaybee3 post=42592111] Nope. You have to find the multiple of the denominators. |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by Nobody: 7:57am On Feb 04, 2016 |
My grouse is: Why just one question? You can't use one question to determine how "mathematically" sound someone is. Even Cowbell Mathematics Competition no dey ask just one question....lol |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by zeezy1: 7:59am On Feb 04, 2016 |
[quote author=Asapcymg post=42592688] I am a lady What gave you the impression that icoped your answer. I worked it |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by jaybee3(m): 8:02am On Feb 04, 2016 |
zeezy1: Just accept the correction already. The answer is 4 not 10 |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by bibiking7(m): 8:03am On Feb 04, 2016 |
Hey marxx, I have one funny question. What if the girl that got it right had seen the question before somewhere else. Maybe in a test or during an online research. This simply implies that you did not chose the best candidate. I was 3rd during my interview process and I was just selected because they needed 3 people. I have been first in all my appraisals, 4 years running. I believe in giving people a chance. Those people had scaled thru a rigorous process. Thier performance during the training process would not have affected your official "swagg". All you had to do was confirm them and you had to play high and mighty just because you did not know what to do. What happened to testing thier zeal for the job? Attitude bro, attitude matters alot. 5 Likes |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by cutetopsey(f): 8:04am On Feb 04, 2016 |
ladyF: Never mind my dear, just love longing things.......lollllzzz |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by kolaaderin: 8:12am On Feb 04, 2016 |
Marxxx: Now u see why man should never be God, You dashed their hope just because of this simple mathematics that even a primary school student can answer in 90s, they surely failed in that time because much complex quarry is expected from you which you yourself could not chunked out because u are empty and not as smart as they are hence your silly question. I just wish ur HR could see this post and judge you accordingly for costing them a lot unnecessarily. You are noted today as u can never be trusted with power, u will misuse it definitely. 1 Like |
Re: Why I Refused To Confirm Four Trainees After Their Assessment Centre. by JERRYNIL: 8:23am On Feb 04, 2016 |
@ OP, u are wicked and Devilish, if those 5 pple were to be white pple will u interview them again?. for them to av pass through the recruitment process it means they can perform the role they are been hired for. yet you ended up putting more pple on the street, may GOD have mercy on U , wicked soul!. 2 Likes |
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