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Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by TheSeeker(m): 9:35am On Aug 30, 2009 |
Whether they are on arms, legs, ankles or buttocks, tattoos are painted all over our bodies by injecting ink into our skin. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by TheSeeker(m): 9:52am On Aug 30, 2009 |
The book may the right after all. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by TheSeeker(m): 10:07am On Aug 30, 2009 |
Finally from Wikipedia Tattooing has been a Eurasian practice at least since around Neolithic times. Ötzi the Iceman, dating from the fourth to fifth millennium BC, was found in the Ötz valley in the Alps and had approximately 57 carbon tattoos consisting of simple dots and lines on his lower spine, behind his left knee, and on his right ankle. Other mummies bearing tattoos and dating from the end of the second millennium BC have been discovered, such as the Mummy of Amunet from Ancient Egypt and the mummies at Pazyryk on the Ukok Plateau. Bottom line: I certainly agree with the book I read that tattoo originated from Africa. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by oyinda3(f): 10:08am On Aug 30, 2009 |
u'll make a good researcher. well, u already are one |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by No2Atheism(m): 10:21am On Aug 30, 2009 |
eddy1977: I don't know much about tatoos and stuff, hence can't really say where it started. One thing i know is that Africans (known as Olmecs actually gave the so called Mayas and Incas the foundations of their civilisations) hence there might be a link there (i don't know just saying ) eddy1977: - Wearing African clothes is not a sign of patriotism, someone can do that and not have any connection to Africa at all infact some people do it and are still Afican traitors. - Wearing African clothes is my own sign of patriotism and fashion statement (i look good in both western and african clothes) . . . wearing african clothes is just my own way of partly showing that i don't give a shit about the west. Yes i am in the west but it does not men i have to assimilate into their culture. Egyptians taught Greeks so its not really a big deal that certain languages are dominant for a certain period of time. For example, at some point in time, Arabic was dominant, at other times, Latin was dominant. So seeking only to use a non-english language is just pure ignorance cause its the dominant language right now, nevertheless that does not mean i forgo my language. I also tend to speak yoruba in public (and trust me i can be phonetically bombastic with english as much as possible depending on the circumtance ). |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by tamme: 7:06pm On Sep 24, 2009 |
colonization |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by sweetpie23: 7:27pm On Oct 08, 2009 |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by davidif: 2:34am On Oct 09, 2009 |
Exactly! If Barak Obama had been Nigerian maybe he would have changed his name to Micky Jack, still be washing dishes and talking with an invented accent. You are right, its soooooooooooooo disgusting. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by agathamari(f): 4:32pm On Oct 13, 2009 |
TheSeeker:A Bronze Age tattooed man around 5,500 years old was found in October 1991 between Austria and Italy in the Tyrolean Alps. The Iceman, "Oetzi" is the oldest known human to have medicinal tattoos preserved upon his mummified skin. Cave of the Azil Farmhouse: Possible early evidence comes from an Upper Paleolithic cave, approximately 12,000 years old, excavated in the Pyrenees Mountains of Southern France, know as the Grottes du Mas d'Azil (or Cave of the Azil Farmhouse). tools believed to be used in tattoos were found along with other artifact Cave at Hohlenstein-Stadel: Germany has a long history of body decoration. In 1988, the carved figure at right was found in a cave at Hohlenstein-Stadel, in Germany and was carbon-dated to 32,000 years old. The carved body had thin lines running across the upper arm. in 1948, 120 miles north of the border between russia and china, russian archeologist sergei rudenko began excavating a group of tombs, or kurgans, in the high altai mountains of western and southern siberia. mummies were found that date from around 2400 years ago. the tattoos on their bodies represent a variety of animals. the griffins and monsters are thought to have a magical significance but some elements are believed to be purely decorative. altogether the tattoos are believed to reflect the status of the individual. the earliest evidence of tattooing in japan is found in the form of clay figurines which have faces painted or engraved to represent tattoo marks. the oldest figurines of this kind have been recovered from tombs dated 3,000 BC or older, and many other such figurines have been found in tombs dating from the second and third millennia BC. in africa, where people have dark skin, it is difficult to make coloured tattoos as we know them. but they want to be tattooed anyway, so they have developed another technique - they make scarifications (this is not really tattooing, but it is related to tattooing). made by lifting the skin a little, and making a cut with a knife or some other sharp thing special sands or ashes were rubbed in to make raised scars in patterns on the body, it can be felt like braille lettering, these patterns often follow local traditions. face it. untill someone invents a time machine no one will truely know what comes from who and when so why should anyone try to claim anything. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Fulaman198(m): 9:51pm On Apr 22, 2012 |
sugabelly: oh and sweetiepie, who ever LIED to you that Africans used to dress "modestly/moderately" is a very wicked person. Keep lying to yourself, are you saying Babban rigas are European? Agbadas are not European, you see small-brained people like yourself shouldn't even be posting. Are you even African? |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Fulaman198(m): 9:52pm On Apr 22, 2012 |
Epiphany: Its called GLOBALISATION and like an earlier poster said, it is not only Africans that are imitating. The Asians, South Americans and most others are doing the same. It comes with whoever drives the world economy - they eventually influence the local cultures. No, it's not called Globalization it's called Westernization. Everyone is imitating the West, The West isn't imitating everyone else. People need to be themselves. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Ptolomeus(m): 8:08pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
First, historically, the inclusion of Western customs by Africans was not a question of imitation, but IMPOSITION. Just read about nineteenth-century history (no need to speak of slavery), we understand that Europeans divided Africa (Berlin Agreement) ended with the traditions, customs, and miraculously failed to end all languages. Today, indeed, there is some imitation. But it's logical, because after the historical facts above, the mentality of most Africans is Western. Something similar happened in South America ... It would be interesting to evaluate the importance of Mc Donalds and Coke for the African people ... and perhaps consider whether it would be good to recover some of the missing values. My respects. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Fulaman198(m): 4:00pm On May 01, 2012 |
Ptolomeus: First, historically, the inclusion of Western customs by Africans was not a question of imitation, but IMPOSITION. Wow, well-written 100% agree you sir are very wise. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Ptolomeus(m): 4:22pm On May 02, 2012 |
Fulaman198:I am very grateful for your kindness. Best wishes! @TheSeeker: Excellent contribution! Thank you! |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by kengis: 5:21pm On May 02, 2012 |
Many africans have low self esteem and think western culture is better 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Fulaman198(m): 5:38pm On May 03, 2012 |
kengis: Many africans have low self esteem and think western culture is better This is very true, I agree with that it's a shame though. Ptolomeus: Best wishes to you as well my friend |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by onila(f): 11:54pm On Aug 06, 2012 |
Fulaman198: |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Fulaman198(m): 5:48pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
onila: You are one of them Onila with your talk of "swag" and "swagger". You also talk about Basketball, which Nigerian who is a true Nigerian even mentions basketball? Only Americanized Nigerians do |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by MrsChima(f): 6:16pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
Fulaman198: Then why did Nigeria formed a Nigerian basketball team for the Olympics? Where did you think the origin of soccer come from? Soccer is like a drug sport in NIgeria. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Fulaman198(m): 6:23pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
Mrs.Chima: You do realize that half of Nigeria's basketball team were American born "Nigerians". None of them even speak with a Nigerian accent, they sound like Black/African Americans when they talk. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Fulaman198(m): 6:24pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
Mrs.Chima: Also soccer/football is a world sport abi There is no one country where it is not played excessively (except the Americas) save Mexico. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by MrsChima(f): 6:28pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
Fulaman198: If we are going by your conclusion then any sports played by the world is a world sport. Don't pinpoint one thing and not pinpoint other things that are "imitated". |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Fulaman198(m): 6:34pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
Mrs.Chima: Ok, I guess you are right, Soccer/Football w/e you want to call it is imitated. But it has been around A LOT LONGER than basketball has in Nigeria. Basketball is a recent phenomenon in Naija because of the influx of Nigerians who believe copying America instead of being themselves is the right thing to do. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by MrsChima(f): 6:44pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
Fulaman198: But it is okay to copy other countries? If it isn't good for the goose then it shouldn't be good for the gander. I know you have issues with America and that is on you...however I don't see much American influence in Africa as I do other countries' influences. Just because America has huge African immigrants doesn't mean AFricans are imitating American culture. From what I see on this side of the world that AFricans are maintaining their "culture" while in AFrica many are imitating other "cultures" of neighboring countries. Africans speaking language of their explorers aren't of American culture but of their explorers' language. AFricans weren't speaking English, French, and Spanish before slavery. The fact that you are writing in English....does that mean you have low self esteem? |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Fulaman198(m): 6:52pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
Mrs.Chima: I don't have issues with America, my issue is with Africans not being themselves. Also, I disagree, The youth are copying American customs by dressing like Americans and singing rap music in more urbanized areas. If you like I could type in my native tongue of Fulfulde, but then you would not understand would you? One thing I do agree with is that we should not copy other countries (unless if that country has similar culture to us then fine ok). A lot of "Nigerian popular music" is so Americanized or Indianized (if that is even a word) that it isn't even funny. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by MrsChima(f): 6:56pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
Fulaman198: You can type in your native tongue...it won't change anything I said. I see other influences in Africans that aren't Americanized and a hand full of Africans wearing Sean Johns and rapping California Love isn't a solid representation of "African Imitation Fad". What is being "themselves"? Some chatters need to stop contradicting themselves. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Fulaman198(m): 7:16pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
Mrs.Chima: This is not a contradiction but pure fact, do you see any Americans going about wearing Nigerian/African clothing in the SAME RATIO Nigerians and other Africans are imitating Westerners/Americans. Do you see them attempting to even learn any African language? When most Westerners talk or even think about Africa, they think of a poor backwards place, and they don't know a darn thing about Africa. When an African speaks about America or the West, they treat it as if it is leydi kanye, the land of gold. They worship the West, while the West isn't worshipping Africa. You may be in denial and call it contradiction, but I have my African pride and spirit. I don't deny what is going on. If Africans don't shape up and keep hiding their cultures to imitate Westerners, they will lose their culture and tradition. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by MrsChima(f): 8:51pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
You wrote a dissertation and still missed my point. Foreigners in Africa should learn the local language.....still dont have nothing to do with why Africans in their own country imitating other countries....not just America. You say you dont have an issue with America.....sure. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Ptolomeus(m): 9:10pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
When hanblamos of "imitation" or influence, do not think it correct to speak of sports. Each sport may have an origin, but it belongs to everyone ... The soccer was invented by the English, but does not belong to them. Basketball is also played throughout the world ... All countries practice all sports. I think the thread is being distorted with that ... there are much clearer examples of imitation, or cultural penetration. My respects to all. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Fulaman198(m): 9:12pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
Ptolomeus: When hanblamos of "imitation" or influence, do not think it correct to speak of sports. You are right sir, and perhaps I made a bad example by using sports, for that I am sorry. But other things like media, dress, fashion, Africans (Nigerians especially) are borrowing a lot if not too much from the West. |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Ptolomeus(m): 4:38pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
Fulaman198: Hello dear friend. Always a pleasure to greet you! That's what I meant. There are thousands of examples of cultural penetration, and imitation, which may be a much clearer example than the game. That imitation exists even in the ceremonies, birthdays, baptisms, the name given to children ... in idiomatic phrases, in the "Halloween" ... at the Christmas dinner ... Anyway ... the list is endless. This is not only a problem of Africa ... Warm regards dear friend! 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Africans Like To To Imitate The Western Culture? by Fulaman198(m): 5:32pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
Ptolomeus: Thank you dear friend, many warm regards to you and your family/loved ones as well. May you continue to prosper and benefit from all the good things the world has to offer you. |
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