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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by Lilimax(f): 12:32pm On Mar 14, 2016
mcvaeey:
Way to go El Rufai. It's hi time the excesses of some these criminals who parade themselves as pastors and imams are curbed. Religion has brought more harm than good to Africa and if possible a total abolition would be a much welcome idea. They should also be made to pay taxes as well.
undecided
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by Lilimax(f): 12:33pm On Mar 14, 2016
gigabyte13:
And some eediots said HELLRUFAI is a potential presidential candidate. What nonsense, we are not in IRAQ tori olorun. Bobo yi ti yawere last last.
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by acenazt: 12:33pm On Mar 14, 2016
RevDesm0ndJuju:


Only muslims and Catholics support this evil bill because they know it is meant for protestants
where do you classify JW?

And why must the protestants make noice. Must u act like a mad man to serve God?

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by AleAirHub(m): 12:34pm On Mar 14, 2016
No one fight God and prevailed...

The everyday the bill / instruction is fully implemented, then the CLOCK IS VERY NEAR!!!...
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by uniklinkum(m): 12:34pm On Mar 14, 2016
I am sick and tired of these religious bullshit in this country, and the way the Christians and the disillusioned pastor are turning a comprehensive religious law to an anti Christianity law is not only obnoxious but pathetic at the same time.

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by DBossNG(m): 12:35pm On Mar 14, 2016
This man is crazy!
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by christopher123(m): 12:35pm On Mar 14, 2016
El Rufia, Tufia kwa to you...You should be an administrator not a moralist


You have lost ideas
throw in the towel
dont let people kick the bucket
a stitch in time save nine
it is not the case of 6 and half a dozen
dont stir the hornets nest
be the real McCoy

Once beaten twice shy



I am outta here

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by 1freshdude: 12:35pm On Mar 14, 2016
RevDesm0ndJuju:


Look at this waif talking.


I no blame you, after all nairaland nah leveller with every other poster a billionaire


Foolish atheist that will learn the hard way before today ends.

It's not difficult to identify a person who is materially and intectually poor, nah them dey carry religion matter for head. People who are doing well don't believe all those hogwash because they hang out with your GOs in the VIP section of elite bars. We know how they roll.

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by truthspeaks: 12:36pm On Mar 14, 2016
E be like say development issues don de sorted out in kaduna cos a gov facing religious issues like dis means d kaduna state ppl don chop belleful n r only lookin 4 sumtin 2 worry abt
crownwealth:
KADUNA State governor, Mallam Nasir Ahmad el-Rufai, who, in January 2013, allegedly insulted Christianity in a tweet and received bashing from adherents has, again, stirred the hornet’s nest as Christians, across the state, are voicing their opposition to an executive bill before the state House of Assembly, allegedly designed to restrict all forms of religious preaching in the state.

In recent weeks, the social media has been awash with reactions from Christians who have kicked against the Religious Regulation Bill, arguing that it is at variance with Section 38 of the 1999 Constitution which presupposes that every Nigerian has a right or freedom of thought, conscience and religion and a right to change religion.

The Religious Regulation Bill, designed to replace the Religious Regulation Edict of 1984, is geared towards regulating Christianity and Islam as it seeks to create an inter-faith Ministerial Committee to be appointed by the governor and exercise control over Jama’atu Nasril Islam, JNI, and the Christian Association of Nigeria, CAN.

Highpoints of the bill include:

*The ministerial committee shall issue licenses to religious bodies.

*Without such licenses, you cannot preach.

*No external preacher can preach in Kaduna without a permit.

*The committee has the power to refuse to issue licenses No criteria are given as to what will qualify one to have a license issued to him or for one to be denied a license.



While the law does not regulate traditionalists in the practice of their beliefs, they are to have a representative on the committee which regulates the Christian and Muslim religions.

The bill empowers JNI and CAN to keep records of churches and mosques including data of preachers. (The law does not stipulate what ‘data’ is required to qualify for license). The law criminalizes the use of religious CDs, flash drive and other communication gadgets except in churches, mosques or other places of worship or personal houses.

The implication is that you cannot listen to Christian tapes in your car or at any place except your house and in a church. If you preach without a license, you are guilty of an offence punishable by two years imprisonment.

If you hold any Christian gathering even in a church and use loud speaker (microphone) after 8.00 p.m, you are guilty of an offence punishable with two years imprisonment.

If you listen to a message in your car, you are guilty of an offence punishable by two years imprisonment. If you hold a crusade or any programme or any other kind of programme and use a loudspeaker at the said programme as long as it is not a church, you are guilty of an offence punishable by two years imprisonment.

The bill criminalizes the abuse of religious books and makes it punishable by two years imprisonment. (It does not define what ‘abuse of religious books’ mean. It criminalizes the use of derogatory terms in describing any religion and makes it punishable by two years imprisonment.

It does not define what ‘use of derogatory terms in describing any religion’ means.) Every preacher will have to obtain one year license (renewable every year) or risk two years imprisonment. If you invite any external preacher (i.e. preacher from outside Kaduna State), such a person must be licensed for the duration of his/her stay and the body issuing the license has the right to reject the external preacher if it feels he is not qualified to preach in the state.

Mr. John Achimugu, who represented Christians in 2005 when President Olusegun Obasanjo set up the National Political Reform Conference and in 2014 at President Goodluck Jonathan’s National Conference, shared his perspectives on the bill with Sunday Vanguard.

The Kogi born lawyer, who practices in Kaduna, is an advocate of freedom of worship, not only for Christians but for all people. “The bill that is before the Kaduna State House of Assembly, from its title, seeks to replace the Religious Regulation Edict of 1984. I have been in Kaduna for longer than that. That law has been only in existence on the pages of the statutes. It has never been implemented. And because it was not implemented, many people were not aware of that law till this bill came up,”

Achimugu stated, noting that, even through the religious crisis that engulfed Kaduna from the 80s to 2000, nobody has ever been prosecuted under that law. “So because it was not a law that was passed by parliament, there wasn’t anything like public hearing or people coming to understand the existence of the law or being aware of its existence because of the way it was made as an edict at that time.

So the current bill seeks to regulate religious preaching in Kaduna. And the regulation is to be done by four bodies. “The first one is the CAN and JNI Committee, members of whom will be appointed by CAN and JNI from the Izala and Dareka groups of Islam.

The members are constituted from CAN and JNI. And all the power they have is to issue license to preachers and also to keep records of places of worship within the state and list of preachers. That is all the power they have. If you look at the surface of it, it would appear as if the control of regulation is given to CAN and JNI Committee but that indeed is not true. “The second body responsible for the regulation is what they call the Inter-faith Ministerial Committee consisting of nine persons.

The chairman of that committee will be appointed by the governor upon the recommendation of the secretary to the government of the state. Other members will come from security agencies with CAN and JNI having a nominee each on that committee. And that committee has the power to grant approval upon the recommendation of the local government screening committee to grant approval for the issuance of license to an applicant who wants to be licensed as a preacher.

It supervises and controls the JNI and CAN Committee. That is where you now know that the power of regulation is actually domiciled in the Inter-faith Ministerial Committee. “From the name ‘Inter-faith Ministerial Committee’, one would be tempted to think that that would be a body constituted from both Christians and Muslims through JNI and CAN, but that is not true.

The members of the Inter-faith Ministerial Committee are appointed essentially from government and security departments. The name inter-faith is a deception as far as I’m concerned. If it is inter-faith, it will be nominees of CAN and JNI just as the CAN and JNI Committee as I earlier refered to as the first body that does the regulation through the issuance of license. But the JNI and CAN Committee cannot issue a license to any preacher unless there is the prior approval of this Inter-faith Ministerial Committee that is essentially a government committee. “Then the third body is the Local Government Screening Committee consisting of about six to seven persons with CAN and JNI nominating one member each. The traditional institution nominates one. Anybody wishing to be licensed has to apply to the local government where you want to be a preacher. Upon his application, the screening committee will consider the application. They might reject it or recommend it to the Inter-faith Ministerial Committee for approval. They can only screen and recommend. That’s the duty of the Local Government Screening Committee.” The lawyer further argued that the very serious issue in it is that the law does not stipulate the factors the Local Government Screening Committee must take into account in considering an application. “So you will find from the very clear pages of the bill that the process for either recommending or rejecting is purely subjective. There are no objective criteria specifically laid out on the basis of which the screening committee can either recommend or reject an application. The danger to it is this; what if you are in a local government and all the members of the local government screening committee are Christians and they say we don’t want the preaching of Islam in the local government and they reject your application.

The law does not provide a remedy for you or any fora where you can seek a redress of your grievances as to why you are denied a recommendation for the issuance of license. There is no remedy for you,” he pointed out.

Also reacting, the Zonal Chairman of CAN, Bishop David Bakare, described the proposed law as “satanic” and “anti-God”, not just for the Christians but also inadvertently for their Muslim counterparts for various reasons.

According to Bakare, who doubles as the National Vice President of the Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria, PFN, el-Rufai should remodel the Ahmadu Bello Stadium to accommodate the number of preachers who will fall victim to the legislation because the bill stipulates that offenders will be tried by customary and Sha’ria courts and there is nothing in the proposed law that says a Christian must be tried by a customary court. The bishop argued that the composition of the licensing committee shall be by the governor and made up of two members each from CAN and JNI while five other members could be security officers who are bound by the tenets of their personal religions, stressing: “Security officials in this part of the nation are mostly Muslims and are duty bound to vote against any Christian preacher they don’t like his face.” Similarly, Christian lawyers in Kaduna, after a meeting, voiced their opposition to the proposed bill. They said Section 4(1) of the proposed bill is discriminatory as it failed to recognize other religious groups that are not members of CAN and JNI. “The proposed bill is vague as to its application on use of tapes, cassettes or other recordings of unaccredited preachers outside Kaduna State and where they can be played. Moreover, it has restricted the use of Christian materials to only designated places (excluding cars, reception venues, schools, etc.) The composition of the proposed Inter-faith Ministerial Committee could easily generate disapproval of the society or a section of it”, the lawyers said. “

Finally, the proposed bill contravenes the express provisions of the Sections 38 & 39 of the 1999 Constitution which protect the rights of citizens to freedom of thought, conscience, religion and expression”. Asked if there were consultations before the bill was drafted and transmitted to the House, a lawyer, Mr. Maxwell Kyon, said: “Ordinarily, you would expect that a bill on such sensitive issue may have some sort of publicity. If not for some of us who have made it public in the social media, it wouldn’t enjoy any publicity at all. I think with the call and some other persons who either agree or disagree with the bill, we are hoping that there may be some sort of consultations by the House of Assembly in terms of public hearing before the bill is passed into law”.


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/03/row-in-kaduna-as-el-rufai-moves-to-license-pastors-muslim-clerics/
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by godwin120alex: 12:41pm On Mar 14, 2016
I know i dislike the attitude of the midget but on this very one i am 100% with him. I wish such law can be passed in Lagos. Enough of this fake religious people yet no righteousness. Please El-rufai carry go

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by mexyk(m): 12:42pm On Mar 14, 2016
RevDesm0ndJuju:


Only muslims and Catholics support this evil bill because they know it is meant for protestants

Then I guess u a supporter of church business.
I am a Catholic and I don't discriminate other churches or religion but what I hate is people deceiving and exploiting people in the name of religion. Things should be done the proper way. I mean why would a normal person mount speakers outside a church located in a residential area. Heaven is not by noise.

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by Nobody: 12:43pm On Mar 14, 2016
To the OP and all others forming fake Christianity here... You all should be ashamed of wherever you come from and whatever mentality you posses.

How come the OP kept on stressing on the Christianity part that you cannot gather a church to preach, you cannot listen to Christian tape in your car and Christian this and Christian that.

Are you so dumb, blind, slumbering brainwashed and religiously gullible enough to understand that this law applies to both Christians and Muslims?

How come yall remove the Muslim parts and started complaining about the Christianity part.... Even the Muslims ain't complaining... Talk about highest height of hypocrisy... As far as I'm concerned... Nigerian Christians are the fakest set of Christians on earth.... Churches in Nigeria is a business and there's nothing wrong if the government deem it fit to issue license to a business Centre hence a legal way of retrieving taxes from them...

Bunch of hypocrites.... Look at the case of a young boy in akwa ibom dat was condemned for witch craft... An innocent boy for that matter. Where were the Christians then? Thank God for the foreign lady who helped the boy out.

Look at them... Deceiving their selves forming Christians...

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by baby124: 12:44pm On Mar 14, 2016
RevDesm0ndJuju:


And what of Islam?
Everything I typed applies to the imams as well. Sorry I missed that in my post. 80% of religious leaders in Nigeria. From pastor, imam and traditional are fraudsters.

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by bola4dprec(m): 12:44pm On Mar 14, 2016
tsephanyah:
the guy I like in Apc after saraki, if this guy were in the military before, hmm...
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by charisma640: 12:44pm On Mar 14, 2016
rubbish rubbish rubbish, Jesus said fear not for we shall conquered at d very end.
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by thesicilian: 12:45pm On Mar 14, 2016
Rxpetite:
i'm a Christian and I think this is a welcome development. Enough of all these mushroom churches and pastors springing up every minute and giving Christianity a bad name.
These days when I see the word 'pastor' on fp, my heart skips cos I know what's coming next. I don't know whether pastors are becoming rapists or rapists are becoming pastors.
No offence sis, you're not a Christian. No Christian will welcome a bill to regulate the practice of the Christian faith, a bill that says one must obtain a 'license' before worshipping his God, or cannot preach the good news without approval from the state government!

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by Brimmie(m): 12:45pm On Mar 14, 2016
RevDesm0ndJuju:


The Shiites have never engaged in any terrorist act.

Has there been any militant Christian group in Nigeria which uses biblical interpretation to wage war?

Only Sunni muslims like this because you know who this law is targeted at and it is Christians and Shiites.


You have taken Nigeria into a satanic Sunni alliance and now you want to turn kaduna into Saudi Arabia


Why not implement full sharia and ban churches and arrest Christians that don't pay the jizya tax

All you muslims are pure evil

I thought the license is for both Muslims and Christians?? undecided Why are you foaming like an epileptic fowl as-if it's only Christianity it 'ld affect??

You even went ahead to categorise Catholics as a Violent Group??

So much hate !! **sighs**

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by Brimmie(m): 12:47pm On Mar 14, 2016
jayhumble:
To the OP and all others forming fake Christianity here... You all should be ashamed of wherever you come from and whatever mentality you posses.

How come the OP kept on stressing on the Christianity part that you cannot gather a church to preach, you cannot listen to Christian tape in your car and Christian this and Christian that.

Are you so dumb, blind, slumbering brainwashed and religiously gullible enough to understand that this law applies to both Christians and Muslims?

How come yall remove the Muslim parts and started complaining about the Christianity part.... Even the Muslims ain't complaining... Talk about highest height of hypocrisy... As far as I'm concerned... Nigerian Christians are the fakest set of Christians on earth.... Churches on Nigeria is a business and there nothing wrong if the government deem it fit to issue license to a business Centre hence a legal way of retrieving taxes from them...

Bunch of hypocrites.... Look at the case of a young boy in akwa ibom dat was condemned for witch craft... An innocent boy for that matter. Where were the Christians then? Thank God for the foreign lady who helped the boy out.

Look at them... Deceiving their selves forming Christians...

God bless!!

I'm tired of being disturbed by these over religious yet evil people. We need to regulate Islam and Christianity.

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by kizyalex10(m): 12:48pm On Mar 14, 2016
I was angry with the bill initially but after reading toroughly,i guessed then tht d man EL rufai is a genuis,nigeria is one of the d most religious in d world yet,we re the second most corrupt country,most people leave the work they can do. Nd lazy about in d name of God,because one pastor told them that God can jst turn tins around.not knowing that God can only do what u cannot do. And not what u can do.(exactly what charly boy said)even the white people dat brought dis religion for us,hav nt basterdized it d way we hav don,yet we re nt more religious dan dem,development wise,we re lacking.corruption we re far ahead.so what re we nt talking about.most churches derail from d word to enrich demselves @ d detriment of thier lazy nd stupid members who believe God helps d lazy.

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by akorebami(m): 12:48pm On Mar 14, 2016
It has got to a point where religious activities in Nigeria has to be regulated but with caution. Something should be done to curtail all these fanatical imams and crime committing pastors.

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by greatbrian(m): 12:50pm On Mar 14, 2016
And God z silent about dz man making things hard for his people........God of Elijah.......show urself
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by bola4dprec(m): 12:50pm On Mar 14, 2016
RALPHOW:
EL Rufai is FIGHTING God instruction

Mark 16:15
Then he told them, “As you go into all the world, proclaim the gospel to everyone.


No one fight God and prevailed.
MATHEW 5 V 17
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by Nobody: 12:53pm On Mar 14, 2016
RevDesm0ndJuju:


The Shiites have never engaged in any terrorist act.

Has there been any militant Christian group in Nigeria which uses biblical interpretation to wage war?

Only Sunni muslims like this because you know who this law is targeted at and it is Christians and Shiites.


You have taken Nigeria into a satanic Sunni alliance and now you want to turn kaduna into Saudi Arabia


Why not implement full sharia and ban churches and arrest Christians that don't pay the jizya tax

All you muslims are pure evil


You are apparently misinformed... Haven't you heard of a Christian group called 'The Lord's Resistance Army'? It's a terrorist group headed by John Kony or something who claims the Holy Ghost instructed him to wage war against other religions... He is now a deadly terrorist wanted by the US... Google it and stop shouting here...

Guess why the group is not hyped on media?? Cuz they are Christians... Had it been they were Muslims... Hell would have let loose on media... Another highest hypocrisy in Christianity... Talk about Horrors, Vipers and beasts hiding behind a bible.

A terrorist is a terrorist regardless of the religion. Have you heard Muslims tagging John Kony as a Christian terrorist? No because they are wise enough to understand that it's not about the religion but about the person....

Christians are worst than terrorist. Vipers and beasts hiding behind a bible...

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by crownwealth: 12:53pm On Mar 14, 2016
truthspeaks:
E be like say development issues don de sorted out in kaduna cos a gov facing religious issues like dis means d kaduna state ppl don chop belleful n r only lookin 4 sumtin 2 worry abt


Hell-Rufai is playing with electricity.
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by olapluto(m): 12:53pm On Mar 14, 2016
This thread is making me very worried about the future of Nigeria. The so called Christians of Nigeria are hypocrites and devilish. Most of them will deny Jesus Christ if he comes to Nigeria today.
What is wrong in licencing a message? I guess the pastors feel threatened that their means of livelihood is going to be watched over. This bill is highly necessary, especially in Northern Nigeria. The gullibility over religion is already making people destroy their lives and properties.
Boko Haram and many sects in the North thrive because of the freedom to preach hate and get away with it.

Rev. King is another example. IF the government had checkmated his preachings, they might have saved the lives of those burnt to death by the evil pastor.
Already on NL frontpage now, there's another pastor committing another evil act. Should the government leave the gullible citizens at the mercy of evil and deceitful clergies?

Lastly, shame on the pastor decreeing death on El Rufai. A mere mortal who cannot create an ant is decreeing death on human. If God decides that the pastor wont live past the next 24 hrs, who can query God? We are talking about laws that will make communal living better, the pastor is wishing death. So much for behaving like Jesus.

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Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by obaiyan: 12:58pm On Mar 14, 2016
i'm a Christian and I think this is a welcome development. Enough of all these mushroom churches and pastors springing up every minute and giving Christianity a bad name.
These days when I see the word 'pastor' on fp, my heart skips cos I know what's coming next. I don't know whether pastors are becoming rapists or rapists are becoming pastors.[/quote]

u are not. stop calling urself a christian. u are just a church goer, if not you wont agree with this devilish law been propose
christianity become what it is today because of pple like u who will quickly agree that christiqnity and islam are d same
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by omogin(f): 12:59pm On Mar 14, 2016
Silkmoth33:
It's about time!

From restrictions to total abolishment!


This money making taxfree venture is one step closer into being run in d ground. kiss grin angry


Nasir carry go
We won't hear you condemn child abduction and rape o.
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by NaWetinDey(m): 12:59pm On Mar 14, 2016
Although I understand the need to draw some line in the religious traps set everywhere especially in Nigeria, I daresay that no one can successfully 'cage' a Christian.
What is church? It is, first of all, a peraon who have given his all to Christ. Then it's a house that houses several of these churches as the come to worship and/or serve their God.
It's high time people turned their families and homes into churches - for them and their children and, maybe neighbouras- without using microphones. The cannot stop the church unless they can kill every Christian. It's the heart of that governnor that will judge hia actions before God.
Re: El-rufai To License Pastors And Muslim Clerics by 5STAR(m): 12:59pm On Mar 14, 2016
IF EVER THIS BILL IS SIGNED INTO LAW.....LET ALL CHRISTIANS HEAD TO KADUNA ON A PREDETERMINED DATE AND PREACH THE GOSPEL

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