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Silkmoth33:
Do u use a savings account or current?

Current.

The only thing I know is that there has been drastic reduction in spending limit.

vicsrael:
We all know that Nigerian government just ban our normal debit card from paying online so we that do online transaction with international vendor see that our normal debit card no longer work. So here is a solution to the problem. Visit b i t.l y /2fgYqqZ and register order a virtual card which cost $0.5 and fund it with bitcoin. if you don`t have bitcoin you can buy here localbitcoins.com no card needed. Then you use the virtual card to make your payment.

I don't where you people got all these.My own GTB debit card never stopped working for once.I really don't understand.

greatghana:
yes, i can see you are judging me by that, i made a mistake the demo software is open to anybody to try is a web-based app, still wondering, because what am designing the layout are different, the arrangement of my form is different, even some word are different likewise i changed some algorithm, i really need to know how the copyright thing work

You said you changed some algoriths,that means you had access to the source code.
If indeed you are using their source code then that is an actual copyright infringement and a crime is involved here.

In that case hmn ......Just try to locate the copy right terms and abide by it.If you cant find it just note the date of your search continue.Change the algorithm as much as possible and continue your work while checkg back from time to time for the existence of a licence.You shld be safe buy maybe you also need to pay an attention to the poster who gave copyrigt related advice.
Nonetheless, you shld be safe.

Whytelyon:
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Your stupidity is alarming.

It's fat. And it shows you don't think. I paste a proof of what I see and the fùck you can offer is rant crap. You obviously don't know shit about anything, both that crap you been displaying to prove you know, you don't know stuff,keep quiet and let someone school you,not rant blindly, enforcing someone to lay himself out as bait because of few coins. You think this is how it works, go ask vice chancellor of Germany how he lost his job due to crap like this, and next time you'd be more careful.

Social Fùcking engineering my foot. Like op is doing phishing.nonsense.

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Hello friend.What the op is doing does not constitute any form of copyright infringement.

Copy right as far as softeware is concerned has to do with copying.

The op is not commiting any crime.He is writing his own version of the software.

The idea could as well have popped into his mind too.

Pls this has nothing to do with copy right.No one is copying any one's work here.This is a case of idea use not copying.

There can be copy right infringement only if he copied their source code or the work itself.

The op wrote his own program and that in far away C# while theirs was written in php.

He only looked at d finished work and wrote his own codes from mere observation. There is absolutely no crime in that and and no one's work was copied.
However someone's idea, a product of his ingenuity was,used.

See:
www.google.com.ng/search?q=copy+right+and+software&client=ms-opera-mini-android&channel=new&gws_rd=cr&ei=K94bWLSiMsj0aqaDvKgM


And to the op, pls fire on from all cylinders.
You are covered.

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greatghana:
i have searched for the copyright note on their website with no luck can they hide this? are you guys saying i should stop the project

please advise me

Cmon.U dnt have to stop.I never suggested dt.I just wanted you to know d implication of your action.

The licence shld be in d demo.If u cant find it anywhere just note the date of ur search.U might need it in case of a litigation.

Make sure you create considerable alteration like layout change,color change etc.

If you actually requested for a demo.Abandon d email address u used snd never use it again so dt nothing can be traced back to you.

Make sure you add additional features that the app lacks

With all that and all such you should be safe in as much you did not use their source code.

If you were able to get their source code just see if you can use a different codinh style.

You will definitely be safe.

But if in the future smone uses ur idea in like manner, just calm down and let it go.

I really don't see you facing any consequence whatsoever for as long as there is considerable alteration and additional feautures.
For all they know,the idea could have popped into your mind too.

Just do everythg u can tnk off to make your copy look original if you do that they will be the greatest fool in d world to attempt to full you.In fact,as it usually happens,the thought of sueing you may not even cross their mind.

The only thg I just did not like was requsting a demo for the purpose of development.But if in deed the demo is publicly available there is really nothing they can do.As far as human eye is concerned your app is different from theirs.

Best of luck.

Modified:
Applications are not like articles and books.It is much more difficult to prove that an idea was used.
For the record, no can sue anyone for using the same layout as others. In fact it is a formal well app/web design principle to use the same layout of existing successful apps.That is why most search engine use d same layout as google.

greatghana:
yes, i can see you are judging me by that, i made a mistake the demo software is open to anybody to try is a web-based app, still wondering, because what am designing the layout are different, the arrangement of my form is different, even some word are different likewise i changed some algorithm, i really need to know how the copyright thing work

OK. I wish u a pleasant evening.

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7 of the Best Angel Investors Funding African Startups offering a supportive community for startups, Africa has become a hub for entrepreneurs to launch their businesses. In fact, the number of startups created in the past five years has exceeded the quantity just five years prior. Individuals looking to start their business here should mull over the following list of angel investors, who are eager to fund enterprises.

Angel Investment Network

Located in South Africa, the Angel Investment Network is comprised of domestic and international investors. More than 114,000 investors have joined the network since its inception and nearly 498,000 entrepreneurs have benefitted from their support. The organization, which has in excess of 612,000 registered members, has raised 4 billion rand, which equates to over $263 million in US currency. Offering more value to entrepreneurs, the Angel Investment Network launched AIN Labs. A startup accelerator, the program provides an environment that helps new businesses excel. Those accepted into the program become a part of an entrepreneurial community that receives mentorship and office space, as well as access to investors to fund their ideas.

Adlevo Capital

A Mauritius private equity firm investing in technology ventures, Adlevo Capital works with portfolio companies to support sub-Saharan African businesses. The firm evaluates investments on market opportunity, solid management, and business growth based on consumerism. Additionally, Adlevo Capital considers social impact. Startups demonstrating care of community health, integration into the global economy, poverty reduction, environmentalism, and special skills development improve their chance in receiving financial backing. In recent years, the firm has made second round investment in Rancard, a mobile content discovery software provider, and led investments in SOLO, a Nigerian venture targeting emerging markets with digital content and smartphone devices.

Invenfin Venture Capital

Invenfin Venture Capital, a subsidiary of Remgro (Pty) Ltd, supports the commercialization of intellectual property. The firm offers startup capital that helps business owners scale their products and services internationally. Investment periods range from one to three years. For a minority stake of up to 49 percent in a company, a venture gains access to the capital as well as marketing, branding, product development, global distribution, and legal services. This is made possible by its collaboration with Remgro. Presently, the venture capitalist focuses its efforts in the technology and food and beverage industries. The firm has made technology investments in Ad Dynamo, HealthQ, Le Bonbon, and Orso by PressureRite. Its food and beverage division, InvenfinFoods, considers early stage and established businesses for financial backing. An ideal company has an interesting story to go along with a flavorful product.

East Africa Capital Partners

Overseeing ATMT Fund 1, LLC, which is made up of $100 million used to back information and communications technology (ICT) investments, East Africa Capital Partners supports ventures that offer a solution for infrastructure blockages. The firm’s portfolio includes East African media and technology companies as well as telecommunications ventures. Among the companies are Zuku, the Wananchi Group, and SimbaNET, a fiber and data service provider catering to corporate customers in Tanzania and Kenya. Lion Cable Television Network and Kenya’s Trucking Systems also receive support from East Africa Capital Partners.

Africa Media Ventures Fund

Africa Media Ventures Fund is supported by veteran entrepreneurs. Primarily funding startups in Kenya and Ghana, the organization and its investors extend financial support and services to ventures throughout sub-Saharan Africa. Africa Media Ventures Fund offers up to $200,000 in backing and has contributed to the success of Paygate Ltd, Shimba Technologies, and Explainer DC. It looks for promising businesses in the media and information sectors that heavily utilize online and mobile applications to reach consumers. Companies, both early- and late-stage startups, must demonstrate the ability to earn revenue and add value in a specific area as well as replicate its model in other countries. Further, the firm requires ventures to have a clear exit strategy. This information must be outlined in a comprehensive business plan.

eVentures Africa Fund

Also known as the eVA Fund, eVentures Africa Fund concentrates on small and medium size enterprises (SMEs) that tackle digital media. A thriving sector, digital media consists of broadband and mobile Internet access for the purpose of content delivery, communication, and business transactions. The fund, founded in 2010 by Brian Hirman and Vincent Kouwenhoven, leverages experience and investments from Europe and the Netherlands to help African ventures solidify business models, thus creating job and income opportunities in the sub-Saharan. The success of the enterprises also increases financial returns for investors. Eligible applicants must seek up to $1 million in funding and have been in business for a minimum of two years, but no more than five. E-commerce businesses, solution providers, and companies promoting an Internet or mobile application are considered.

TBL Mirror Fund

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Source:https://ceciliaibru./2016/04/05/7-of-the-best-angel-investors-funding-african-startups/

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greatghana:
thanks everyone, I will be smart about it, I don’t want to mention the software here but I will give an example, I will use human resource management application which is very similar to my app as a case study, let me tell you the hiding truth I have developed this application before, but marketing it is very difficult I always ashamed of my application when companies opens what they are using for me which majority are from India. Even if I start improving on what I have, in 10 years I may not meet up with those Indians. This prompted me to do research and start doing same thing and also improve on it. Indians are very good as a matter of fact sometimes I don’t like seeing them around me. They have sold over 10,000 license copy 0f this app in Nigeria at the rate of $1500, most companies said if i can come up with something of the same standard they are ready to drop them.

I finally noticed that you actually modified to excluded the part where you said you requested for a demo only to use it for developmental purpose.Based on that your requesting my first post still stands.

Fayose, this is just a ploy.Don't fall for it.

I think I should say this: using an idea is not a crime.But it can lead to civil law suit that usually end up with the defendant being fined or restrained/compelled by the court or both.

greatghana:
i saw this beautiful and intelligent application online built in India, the application was developed using php, I saw demo online, now am building almost the same thing with little differences but am using c#, I want to ask do I commit any crime under the law? Note am building for commercial purpose as well

I actually posted a more verbous post here giving an additional reason why I think you are wrong. After the postg I went over your initial post and was alarmed to notice I did not read carefully the first time. I must have skimmed quickly over it.
Or did u modify ur post?

I seem to remember u stating that u explicitly requested for a demo and they sending you a copy of the demo. My previous comment was based on that assumption.

If what you have there if exactly what you posted initially then I will tell you.That what you have done is common practice. .I won't be surprised if virtually evey programmer on Nairaland has done it one time or the other.

In fact, using templates is a standard web design practice.

I remember how It was Apple, I think, who first produce an OS with GUI. Microsoft copied the idea in the next version of their OS.Apple took microsoft to court accusing them of using their idea.I am very sure apple would have won that case save for the fact that their was public out rage against them.The public was angry at apple for wantg to keep a monopoly of GUI concept.Consudering the fact that the court of public opinion was against them they withdrew the case from court and forgot about it.

Contrary,to what the poster above me has said.People can claim monopoly of idea especially if the idea has been formally registered.In the american music industry, it is common practice to sue people for using their beats/rythmn or even lyrics.A man's idea is his intellectual property.I know infact of a case in Nigeria were an idea for for using ITto detect fake drug was brought to a company by an unemployed graduate.He couldn't afford the cost of the development and so was turned down only for that firm to develop and sell it to NAFDARC.Unknown to them the idea had been prevuously registered by the unemoloyed graduate.The unemployed graduate ended up sueing NAFDARC,the developer firm.

Another case in point is the concept of "Change begin with me" that Lai Muhammed was accused of stealing.

Im short you should know that pple can sue other pple wo they believe have stolen or used their idea if they have such proof because their idea is their intellectual property.That pple hardly do so does not mean they can't.

So, if you are using other pple's idea please be smart enough to introduce cosiderable alteration or improvement that will make it possible for you to win a case of of idea use(or idea theft) or that will discourage pple from sueing you.

A PERSONS IDEA IS HIS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AND HE CAN LEGALLY LAY CLAIM TO IT IF HE CAN PROVE IN A COMPETENT COURT OF LAW THAT IS HIS BRAIN CHILD

Every body here may be urging you on because they know that it is common practice and because they have probably done thesame thg too, but pls be smart in doing it.

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emmanuelatas:
I am a bit confuse now on what I can do with c++.

1. Can I build a desktop application on windows 32 bit and it can still run on 64 bit.
2. Can I be able to develop and admin area that control my website with c++?
3. Can I use c++ with mysql?

By the way, the title of you thread does not match your questions.

greatghana:
i saw this beautiful and intelligent application online built in India, the application was developed using php, I requested for the demo which they sent to me, now am building almost the same thing with little differences but am using c#, I want to ask do I commit any crime under the law? Note am building for commercial purpose as well

Morally speaking what you have done is very bad.

Legally speaking there is no crime in it unless it is explicitly stated in the licence that you must not do such.(I think you need to consult the licence).

The world over people steal peoples ideas and so it is the responsibility of people to protect their ideas.

There are way too many clones of facebook out there.

But then put yourself in the developers shoe.Would you like the app you work so hard to develop to end up being treated like that.

You are sowing a bad seed and you will definitely reap an harvest.

emmanuelatas:
I am a bit confuse now on what I can do with c++.

1. Can I build a desktop application on windows 32 bit and it can still run on 64 bit.
2. Can I be able to develop and admin area that control my website with c++?
3. Can I use c++ with mysql?

Of course you can do all that with C++.

All 32bit applications run on 64 bit systems but no 64bit application run on 32bit system.
64bit system have 32bit emulator.

Also a c++ application can be programmed to communicate with webserver using all existing protocols like http,ftp etc.

For a c++ application to connect to mysl rdms you need to downkoad and intall mysq connector.Infact, c++ can be used to connect to any rdms including oracle,sqlserver etc.

tpia1:
I mean people who genuinely love the lord.

I find 99% of people in these fields tend to be either gaay, muslims, atheists, satanists or any other anti-christian persuasion, and i wondered if there's anybody at all who's a serious christian (not anti -christian christian o) yet works in this career.

How did you come by your statistics?Why do you want to meet xtians?

I am a xtian, but I am interested in the answer to my questions.

And to those chiding him for asking to meet christians.I am sure you know that there is freedom of association.

You ought to have found out why he wants to meet christians first.

While I do not discriminate against people I think people should associate with like minds.

If you are an atheist marry fellow atheist and be friends with fellow atheist and you will get along fine.Same goes with other categories of persons.

Why would I want to be friends with or marry somrone who thinks there is something wrong with me for believing in God.

I'll rather be friends with or marry some who would strengthen my faith in God not someone who will weaken it becsuse I value my faith in God.

I get along with well with all classes of people.Many of such people take me as their friend but as far as I am concerned no real useful or meaningful friendship can come out of people who have opposing believes. Only argument,criticism, condescension,patronage,scorn,ridicule and such like can come out such friendship.

Bible says,"Can two work together except they agree.

Once a person ridicules my God and my faith which I value so much I know he and I cannot really be friend in the true sense of the word.Why should I set myself up for experiencing the ridiculing and speaking ill of my God and my faith.

Birds of a feather should flock together.

gloryz24:
Try and scan the disk with one of these free recovery software solutions

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Hope that you'll be able to recover your work.
Also, you said that you lost your coding stuff. So accept this as a friendly tip so this doesn't happen to you in the future: use GIT and store your codes at GitHub.com or BitBucket.org (github is the most popular one but doesn't allow private gits for free, while bitbucket allows unlimited free gits). It's easy to learn and will save you from this kind of situation plus many more.

Sorry,I forgot to add,"Thank you."

gloryz24:
Try and scan the disk with one of these free recovery software solutions

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Hope that you'll be able to recover your work.
Also, you said that you lost your coding stuff. So accept this as a friendly tip so this doesn't happen to you in the future: use GIT and store your codes at GitHub.com or BitBucket.org (github is the most popular one but doesn't allow private gits for free, while bitbucket allows unlimited free gits). It's easy to learn and will save you from this kind of situation plus many more.

Recuva recovered the files but did not arrange them properly.It would take an eternity for me to arrange them properly into folders as was done by the IDE that is if I succeed at all.

Of course, I know of Git and Bitbucket but just never thougt of using them as back up.Google drive seem to me to be more approriate for back.

seunH:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, I thought GEJ paid these militants to secure these pipelines during his tenure. Meaning despite been paid millions of Naira they where still bunkering....!!! (Giving a monkey money to look after a bunch of banana)

The militants troubling Lagos are not the Ijaws who hail from Niger Delta but the one'
's from Ondo state.Payment was done to secure pipelines in Niger Delta, not for those in western Nigeria.

kernel504:
Don't be foolish, when did the Ijaws started been predominant in Lagos and Ogun state? I hate when a man starts behaving like a child. Just like saying crimes in the East are done by Yorubas and not Igbos.

Please, I don't ever insult people, and if I will ever insult anyone it wont't be because he has an opinion different from mine.

Many years ago I learnt that during an argument the appropriate thing to do is to disprove,counter,contradict or attack people's opinion not their person.

I will really appreciate it if, in future, you refrain from insulting me whenever you wish to contradict me.

If would have be better if you had not preceeded your point with "Don't be foolish".

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I am from Ondo state and precisely from Ese-Odo local government area. My people and the Ijaws who hails from Ondo State share the LGA.
My people and the Ilajes, and the Ikale's speak same sounding Yoruba dialect.The differnce between the three dialects lies in a few difference in verb usage.For the most part, these dialect are the same.

While my people and the Ikales are primarily farmers,the Ijaws and the Ilaje's are primarily fishers. The Ijaw in ondo state live virtually on water the same goes for the Ilajes.

These four peoples live in close proximity in Ondo state.

All over western Nigeria, wherever you find creeks you are likely to find a settlement or community that consist entirely of either Ilaje's or Ijaws. I know this for sure because my mum is Ilaje and during my teengehood I get to visit my relatives in various creeks in various states in the west.More often than not , these communities consist of a mixture of Ilaje's and the (Ondo state) Ijaws or either of both.

So, I can tell you ,as a matter of factly, that there exist communities in other western state of Nigeria that are prediminantly Ijaws.

Because the Ijaws in Ondo state have common ancestors as those in Bayelsa state,they mingle and mix with one another freely.

I believe that although the Ijaws troubling Lagos and Ogun state may be descendants of Isaac boro, they are most likely predominantly those from Ondo state.

If you are not convinced, I don't mind meeting with you and taking you round to see several of such communities in Lagos.

kernel504:
Yorubasse, love living in denials. These same group were robbing Arepo community, instead of Yorubasse getting to the root, they were shouting Niger Delta militants... Today they've identified themselves as Yorubas seeking amnesty. A people who blame others, but wouldn't blame her ills is bound to rot.

Pls read the right up.They are not Yorubas but Ijaws. Reading the right up will make you see that.

mosesabah:
07062062979

So what languages do you program in.Can I see your past works?

vicsrael:
If you need someone that both of you can work together on projects then contact me on 08130687861 call/WhatsApp

So what languages do you program in?Can I see your past works?

Toks2008:
Thanks dude...just thinking outside the box.

I think Shymm3xx made a bit of sense.
I think the word double-standard would be more appropriate than hypocrisy in the context that you used it.

Shymm3xx:
Lol. This is why this forum is the toilet of the internet. Especially with the type of topics jobless kids who neither have full understanding/experience of the subject-matter and English words they dabble into and use.

I believe in ya mind you think you wrote something cerebral, after writing over 500 words of pure tosh, with no correlation whatsoever with the topic. This is basically an IQ reducing ramblings of an illiterate kid.

1). I believe you don't know the meaning of "idiosyncrasy" cos after perusing through the junk illiterate-write, I didn't see any idiosyncrasy there.

2). You can't really argue for "hypocrisy" when the points you argued against (albeit all over the place in your argument) are simplistic things you made up in ya head and not what the real proponents of polygamy use as posturing for engaging in the lifestyle.

Honestly, you and the idiotic mod who pushed this trash to the FP deserve to be thoroughly flogged for this rubbish. A lot of you don't even read what you write, especially the utter ridiculousness in ya thought process, yet you always think you've the answers to everything.

Believe me you can still express your disgust for the write up without insult.

Hardly have I ever seen you express your disagreement with people's opinion without insults.

Many years ago, I learnt that the right thing to do is to disprove,counter,contradict or attack people's opinion not their person.

Much as I was enjoyed your argument about the Anioma issue,I found the many insults with which you introduce them so off-putting.

BERNIMOORE:
He lost it Sir. Err INEC should just tell the New Army to produce the certificate so that it can be attached to the already sworn Affidavit with the INEC that states ''it was with the army''
Army's silence on this matter Alone is 'Corruption and Conspiracy' Naija I hail thee!

No, he did not loose it.If indeed he lost it he would have asked waec or cambridge to furnush INEC with a file copy.It won't cost him anything.also given the magnitude of issues at stake I am very sure WAEC or cambridge would have given such a request expedited action and
ensure it reaches INEC in good time even if they have to use DHL's service.

No Buhari doesn't have a WAEC certifcate.He did not loose it.Are you aware WAEC does not issue certuficate to a person who fails woefully.He only gets a statement of result.

One thing is certain.Buhari has no WAEC certificate.

Orikinla:
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Idiotic reasoning.

Buhari had both primary and secodary education, but does not have a WAEC certificate even angel gabriel cannot convince me to think otherwise.

Or how can you explain his prefering to hire 13 SAN's to bringing out his certificate for all to see.

BERNIMOORE:
Bolded Above The Same judge Ademola Who Allow Buhari to Delay the Certificate Eligibility Suit till after election And shielded the Delivery of the ruling against Buhari Was the Same justice Ademola Now Accused Now of Curruption when when it was clear that 'Buhari did not attach his Certificate as required by the Electoral Act 2011 'That a candidate must Authenticate His sworn Affidavit with his certificate, Can We Logically Conclude That Buhari Too May Have Bribed Justice Ademola To pervert and employ Delay tactics To prevent Entering into the subject matter of the case As buhari 13 SANS Were busy defending ''substituted Service issue'' for more than One year! Can we have logical answers to these question?

Its quite possible. Maybe Ademola sells to
the highest bidder.

Although back then I saw wisdom in his action.I took it then to be a patriotic actiob
carried out to prevent bloodshed.But now I am more inclined to think otherwise.It was
most likely a case of bribery.There was and is no way Buhari could won that case not even on any planet in the universe.

It was a simple case.The court was required to compel buhari to submit a copy of his certficate or get disqualufied.There is no way in this world.that buhari could have gotten a favourable Judgement.

But then, it was also very likely that there would be bloodshed if Buhari had been disqualified. Buhary had very large and impressive number of followers all over the north and the west.

No, since 2003 he had been using a sworn
affidavit in lieu of a school cert in which he stated that copies of his certificates are with the army.

mrvitalis:
I understand u.. But INEC is the only body in Nigeria that determine if one is qualified to contest or not... and they said he was since 2003 so what's ur point

comshots:
Does that applies to the present day presidential election?In fact,list some of Buhari's mate in the army without a school cert?

I had a neighbour who was about buhari's age.He was a retired soldier and a pensioneer.

That man could not write his name and could only speak broken English and Yoruba.