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kwame tut: CHILD FACTORY naai-geria EXPOSED

Since 16th century when Europeans came ya'll have been ENSLAVING EACH OTHER. Even selling each other to EUROPEANS. FACT: Source ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_byh7sS7Y5I

and what is more shameful than the legacy of molestation your terrorist left for you. To the extent that children are not spared.

Government on Tuesday expressed concern over a reported increase in child prostitution, particularly in the Free State.

In some areas, child prostitution was apparently a “normal occurrenc.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/child-prostitution-alarms-government-1.1555140

such animals.

these poachers seem to be having fun with the cowardly SANDF. Common poachers.. Na wa o

SANDF soldier killed by poachers
www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/mpumalanga/sandf-soldier-killed-in-knp-1.1564803

paniki: Boooooom

https://www.timeslive.co.za/Feeds/Reuters_Images/2013/07/11/mdf65174-09-05-2013-21-05-37-347.jpg/ALTERNATES/crop_630x400/MDF65174-09-05-2013-21-05-37-347.jpg

this picture looks like poachers blowing up SANDF military base. cos i can see some SANDF scared men in the picture

LT SHANGY: lets clear this nw! South africans, how many grippens do u have and how many are grounded? How many submarines do u have and how many are operational? What is your military size? How many choppers do u have and how many are grounded? I need answers and not insults, please.

dude,they don't even have an air lift capability. we saw this in the CAR situation and now during the US joint military drill, they had to us a US transport plane to move their troops and equipments around in their own turf. that's crazy if you ask me.

just look at the flag on the planes. and they have the guts to even compare their military with Nigeria
http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-08-05-just-practising-joint-us-sa-military-training-exercise-in-eastern-cape-winds-up/#.UgATS6wUaSq

[quote author=Mike..ZA]Show us Nigerian military experience foo.l.[/quote]see this mugu o. You now want to ask me a question you've not been able to answer. Stop rephrasing my question boy.

[quote author=Mike..ZA]His Togolese? I'm dead with laughter.[/quote]olodo

agaugust: welcome back big bros @snydergp....so they eventually released you from jail, lucky you. so what was the crime you committed ? what was life like in the prison ? was it in johannesburg ? are you on parole or you finished serving your sentence ? welcome back to freedom anyway :

i hear some rich nigerian men with have been 'sympathizing' with your daughter regularly during your absence. please take her for preg***y te*t just in case

LWTMB

paniki: http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-08-05-just-practising-joint-us-sa-military-training-exercise-in-eastern-cape-winds-up/#.Uf-36G0vsWJ

i found this comment very interesting, coming from a honest south african


Pierre Schnehage
• 7 hours ago

Come on, Zimbabwe could invade SA in a day. Our army is nothing but a bunch of tax guzzling fatso's riding out the wave.

snydergp: Since when has peace enforcement became War. It seems you Naija lot have no clue whatsoever what constitutes a War.


I can school you lot but I just don't seem to have the patience to deal with amateurs anymore.

Anyway I'm just passing through

oh please enlighten me on what constitutes a war if you are not one of those SA dumbass. How do you enforce peace? By sharing leaflets and bananas?
So why is the Afghan conflict called a war since it was with Taliban? Why was the Turkey vs PKK rebels called a war since PKK is also a rebel group? Why is there a war on terror since terrorism is not a country?? Y?

South africans clearly don't know the meaning of the words they use. They just copy from hollywood movies cos it sounds cool. Dumbass

south africans are liars who want everyone else to eat their lies. But Nigerians already got you figured out and you are mad as hell

andrewza: Firstly civil war peace keeping missions vs rebels is not the same has fighting a large convistional army.

Ecomog war was a peace enforcement, not peace keeping mission. Which makes it a WAR.
so why do you get defeated by bandits? Why did you lose in Lesotho before SADC troops came to your rescue? Why did seleka give you a chase?

Msauza: The US and China support was not of military nature but merely ideological.

SOUTH AFRICANS ARE LIARS THAT EXPECT EVERYONE TO EAT THEIR LIES. That's why you hate Nigerians cos we are too smart to eat your filthy lies.

Here you accept that SA got support but it was ideological. Liar

US supported you covertly through UNITA and was fully behind you. Stop lying abeg

Nigeria showed we could fight under arms embargo and economic santions during the ecomog war(which Britain and US came after we did the dirty work only for their media to help them take credit for it)

andrewza: Firstly civil war peace keeping missions vs rebels is not the same has fighting a large convistional army.

Secondadly reading reports from varouses nigerian genrail it come to light. With out USAF air transport and money ecomog would have failed.

seriously! Did they wire the money through your account or did you fly the plane that transported our troops?

nigeria was under arms and economic embargo throughout almost all military regimes. We proved we could go to war under such conditions and prevail

[quote author=Mike..ZA]You're a Nigerian.[/quote]did he mention he's a Togolese? you are stup1d

[quote author=Mike..ZA]The Offensive Begins
10 September 1987
On 10 September 21 Brigade sent 2 battalions
with 5 T-55 tanks across the river, using a mobile
bridge-layer. South African observers, watching
the crossing, were amazed at the over-confident
behaviour of the enemy, with infantrymen
standing around casually, hands in pockets,
watching the crossing. The South African
reconnaissance force consisted of 4 Ratel-90 anti-
tank armoured cars and 240 infantrymen in 30
Casspir infantry combat vehicles.
The South Africans were ordered to wait and see
what Fapla would do. When an armoured car
began to roll over the bridge, the South Africans
went into action.
An anti-tank missile destroyed the armoured car
and killed the infantrymen around it. A second
missile destroyed the giant Soviet GAZ bridge-
layer. The South Africans then concentrated on
the T-55 tanks which were beginning to move
westwards, and knocked out 3 of them within
minutes. The remaining 2 immediately retreated.
Artillery fire was called in from the South African
G-5 guns situated some distance behind the
South African lines, and by the end of the day 1
Fapla battalion had been completely destroyed,
leaving the remainder of the enemy force to
retreat back across the river in confusion.
13 September 1987
Three days later, on 13 September, Fapla sent 2
battalions of 59 Brigade with T-55 tanks across
the river in a second attempt to establish a
bridgehead. The South Africans and Unita again
attacked immediately, the Ratel-90s firing anti-
personnel shells which cut a swathe of
destruction through the massed enemy infantry.
From the Casspirs infantrymen poured machine-
gun and rifle fire into the exposed enemy. The
Angolans started to retreat, but were exposed on
open ground, with a stretch of marshland
hampering their path back to the river. Within a
short space of time over 200 Fapla soldiers lay
dead.
The SADF/Unita force started mopping up the
last groups of men left when the tanks suddenly
joined in, causing chaos and sending the lightly-
armoured Ratels and Casspirs fleeing in all
directions. Once the South Africans had found
cover in the bush, however, they began to fire
anti-tank (HEAT) shells at the tanks, which were
at a disadvantage with their long gun barrels in
the bush. The Ratels, realising they had the
advantages of speed and manoeuvrability, began
to circle round the tanks, enticing them into
chasing the armoured cars in ever-smaller cricles
until the Ratels were able to come in behind the
tanks and fire. By the end of the engagement 5
tanks had been destroyed and over 250 Fapla
soldiers killed, for the loss of 8 dead and 3
destroyed armoured cars on the SADF side.
The South Africans, after their initial shock at
encountering the tanks, had adapted their tactics
and proved that their armoured cars could cope
with tanks by a combination of fast movement
and accurate shooting, tactics reminiscent of
those used by the Boers against the British over
80 years earlier.
14 to 23 September 1987
After the first series of clashes had taken place
the South Africans were ordered not to cross the
Lomba River, but to establish a line behind it to
block the Angolan advance. The G5 heavy guns
continued to pound the Angolans mercilessly,
while the South African Air Force flew missions
over the enemy to eliminate their anti-aircraft
installations. At the same time Fapla artillery was
bombarding the South African positions with
mortars and heavy artillery.
21 Brigade continued to pile up supplies on their
side of the Lomba, but the South African
bombardments hampered them severely in their
efforts to resume their advance. South African
Recces (Special Forces, the SADF equivalent of
SAS or Green Berets) kept the enemy under
constant observation from hidden vantage points
in the bush, often no more than 50 yards from
the enemy positions. Throughout the campaign
these Recces sat for days and even weeks in their
observation posts, guiding the G5 artillery fire
onto Fapla positions. The enemy knew they were
close by, but were never able to locate them.
47 Brigade had also been slowed down in its
advance by the South African artillery and air
strikes. It was barely moving a kilometre per day,
and the South Africans were slowly drawing it into
a "killing ground" of their choice.
There was a brief interlude in the fighting when
South Africa and Angola finally agreed to
exchange prisoners - a South African Recce,
Captain Wynand du Toit, captured by Fapla in
1985, was exchanged for 170 Fapla soldiers
captured by the SADF and Unita. A couple of
Dutch arms smugglers, captured in South Africa,
were included in the trade. According to Amnesty
International sources, the 170 Faplan soldiers
were taken to the Angolan capital, Luanda, where
they were all executed by the Angolans for having
failed in their duty...
In view of this it was not surprising to the South
African troops to find that many captured Fapla
soldiers expressed an interest in joining Unita, or
asked about the possibility of enlisting in the
SADF!
47 Brigade, by now unable to retreat and
desperate to join up with the other brigades,
made an attempt to link up with 59 Brigade. The
South Africans sent their Ratels in again to attack
the enemy from the West. They had 250 men
available to attack a force of over 1000 men with
heavy weapons. The SAAF dropped fragmentation
bombs on the Fapla positions and then 61 Mech
manoeuvred behind them. The going was rough
in the bush and they ended up on the enemy's
flank instead of directly behind them. After a
sharp engagement in the bush, the Ratels
withdrew again because they simply could not
see the enemy and were drawing a lot of artillery
fire.
59 Brigade began to dig in and received
welcome supplies and reinforcements from 21
Brigade, which had now succeeded in laying a
mobile bridge over the Cunzumbia River. The
SADF, worried now that 47 Brigade would
manage to escape back across the river while 59
Brigade pushed forward against the thin South
African defence line, decided it was time to close
the trap they had been preparing.
3 October 1987 - the Decisive Battle
On 2 October the South African Recces reported
that 47 Brigade had managed to construct a
wooden road across the marshes which were
blocking their retreat to the Lomba River. Trucks,
missile carriers, armoured cars and tanks were
busy assembling at the treeline, preparing to
make an orderly retreat across the road.
The Recces watched from their vantage points in
nearby trees and called in artillery fire on Fapla
while the SADF combat groups worked furiously
to get ready and into position.
The first Fapla vehicles to try to cross were Soviet
Sam-9s. One crossed to safety but the Recces
guided artillery fire onto the second as it tried to
cross, destroying it and effectively blocking the
bridge. The Fapla troops sent a T-55 tank to try
and move it out of the way, but without success.
Every time Fapla tried to make a move the Recces
would call in highly accurate artillery salvoes. For
48 hours without sleep or rest the Recces stood
guard over Fapla's escape route, calling in artillery
fire at the slightest movement, until at last they
heard the distant rumble that announced the
arrival of the armoured cars of 61 Mechanised
Battalion.
The Ratels of 61 Mech had a variety of
armaments, from infantry carriers with 20mm
guns to the tank-busting 90mm gun. Unita
troops had by now positioned themselves to the
south-east of 47 Brigade in case they tried to
break away in that direction.
Fapla artillery began to bombard the
approaching Ratels and Migs flew overhead to
lend support and cover 47 Brigade's escape. The
Ratels went in to attack. Fapla, accustomed to
seeing Unita beat a hasty retreat whenever their
tanks appeared, tried the same tactic and sent
their tanks towards the SADF positions. To their
dismay the South Africans' reaction was the exact
opposite - they attacked. The Ratels raced for the
tanks, surrounding them and dodging back and
forth until they could get behind them and shoot
at the comparatively vulnerable rear ends of the
tanks.
Major Laurence Maree, second-in-command of 61
Mech, later told the British journalist and author,
Fred Bridgland:
"I can't tell you how much courage it takes in a
Ratel driver and gunner when a tank is charging
towards them to summon up the will to stop still
for long enough to stabilise their firing platform
and get their round off. [Unlike a T54/55 tank,
which has built-in stabilisers and can fire on the
move, a Ratel, like other armoured cars, can only
fire from a static position]. Of course, as soon as
they'd fired, off they sprinted like Turbo-charged
hares. One of our guys died that afternoon facing
down a T-55 in his Ratel. A 100mm shell from the
tank skipped up from the sandy ground and went
right through the turret. The Ratel commander,
Lieutenant Hind, was terribly wounded and he
died later. We had two others very seriously
wounded that day, and another three with light
wounds. The medics just pulled the shrapnel out
of those who were slightly hurt, cleaned up the
wounds, and they went straight back into
combat." (1)
The Fapla troops, although outgunning the South
Africans and outnumbering them 4 to 1, began to
lose their nerve and one of the battalions
suddenly made a break towards the river. They
streamed across the open grassland towards the
river in an undisciplined mob and the South
Africans brought down MRL fire and high-
explosive mortar shells on them. A second
battalion also broke and ran for the river, with the
Ratels chasing them. Approximately 100 vehicles
were now jostling to try and reach the bridge by
way of the wooden road. Recces directed artillery
fire from the G-5s onto them, causing havoc. The
area was now a wasteland of shattered trees and
burnt grass from the shells and shrapnel from
both sides.
Migs piloted by Cubans flew some 60 sorties that
day, dropping bombs and trying to strafe the
South African positions, but they were wildly
inaccurate and had little effect.
Fapla tanks made an effort to recover some of
the abandoned vehicles, but were themselves
destroyed by the pinpoint accuracy of the G-5
artillery fire. When the firing finally stopped at the
end of the day over 600 Fapla soldiers lay dead
on that stretch of open ground and 127 Fapla
vehicles stood destroyed or abandoned near the
river.
On the morning of 4 October the South Africans
were able to survey the remnants on the
battlefield. Recovery teams were sent in to
salvage whatever was still usable and the SADF
generals were delighted to hear that their troops
were able to salvage intact one of the Sam-8
missile systems, complete with missiles, radar and
logistics vehicles, the first example of this highly-
effective Soviet weapon ever to be captured by a
western country.
The remnants of 21 and 59 Brigades had joined
forces and were trying to reorganize. A few
firefights broke out as the SADF and Unita troops
moved across the battlefield to salvage
equipment. A few inexperienced Unita soldiers
almost caused havoc as they attempted to drive
off the undamaged tanks.
The South Africans intercepted messages from
Russian commanders ordering the Fapla Migs and
troops to make an all-out effort to destroy the
abandoned equipment, but by then the South
Africans had moved the Sam-8 system back
behind their positions and had it well
camouflaged. Unita later tried to claim the Sam-8
for itself with a view to passing it on to the
Americans, but South Africa, recalling the way
America had abandoned its allies in Angola,
refused and retained the missile system for its
own arms research.
October to December 1987 - The Last Phase
After the battle was over mopping up operations
continued on both sides. South African observers
watched in disgust as Fapla soldiers shot many of
their own wounded where they lay because they
were unable to evacuate them or give them
medical care. At the end of the day the South
African commander, Deon Ferreira, sent a
message to HQ that their mission had been
accomplished and that the Angolan/Cuban
advance on Mavinga had been stopped. His new
orders were to clear all remnants of the enemy
forces from the eastern side of the River Cuito and
establish positions from which they would be able
to prevent any further crossings into Unita
territory. No mention was made of capturing
Cuito Cuanavale itself. The SADF did, however,
want to be in a position from which they could
shell the airfield and neutralise the base as a
starting point for a new offensive. Cuito allowed
the Cuban Migs easy access to Unita territory and
if it was destroyed the Migs would have to move
175 kilometres to the west.
The G5 artillery groups were moved up and
commenced bombarding Cuito. The SAAF sent in
4 Mirages as a decoy and while the Migs were
being rolled out of their reinforced concrete
hangars the G-5s pounded the runway with
shells. Within a short space of time the airfield
was destroyed and the remaining Migs were
forced to move back to Menongue.
Stinger missiles were also used to good effect by
Unita and two Cuban pilots were taken prisoner
after their Mig had been shot down.
The Cuban/Faplan offensive had failed. Later the
Cubans tried to save face and boost their
demoralized troops by claiming loudly that they
had won the "Battle for Cuito Cuanavale", which
they claimed to have successfully defended
against all South African attacks!
Throughout the campaign the South Africans,
mindful of the fact that they were involved in an
undeclared war and without allies in the west,
refrained from making any public statements on
the progress of the war. This gave the Cubans
and Angolans the advantage in the propaganda
war. The SADF could not reveal that it only had a
small combat force of less than 3000 lightly-
armed troops in Angola, as this would have
revealed their weaknesses to the enemy. The
superior training and tactics of the SADF had
convinced the Cubans and Angolans that they
were facing a large, heavily-armed force.
As Chester Crocker later wrote:
"In early October the Soviet-Fapla offensive was
smashed at the Lomba River near Mavinga. It
turned into a headlong retreat over the 120 miles
back to the primary launching point at Cuito
Cuanavale. In some of the bloodiest battles of the
entire civil war, a combined force of some 8,000
Unita fighters and 4,000 SADF troops destroyed
one Fapla brigade and mauled several others out
of a total Fapla force of some 18,000 engaged in
the three-pronged offensive. Estimates of Fapla
losses ranged upward of 4,000 killed and
wounded. This offensive had been a Soviet
conception from start to finish. Senior Soviet
officers played a central role in its execution. Over
a thousand Soviet advisers were assigned to
Angola in 1987 to help with Moscow's largest
logistical effort to date in Angola: roughly $1.5
billion in military hardware was delivered that
year. Huge quantities of Soviet equipment were
destroyed or fell into Unita and SADF hands when
Fapla broke into a disorganized retreat... The
1987 military campaign represented a stunning
humiliation for the Soviet Union, its arms and its
strategy. It would take Fapla a year, or maybe
two, to recover and regroup. Moreover the
Angolan military disaster threatened to go from
bad to worse. As of mid-November, the Unita/
SADF force had destroyed the Cuito Cuanavale
airfield and pinned down thousands of Fapla's
best remaining units clinging onto the town's
defensive perimeters." (2)
The results of the campaign up to April 1988
were 4,785 killed on the Cuban/Faplan side, with
94 tanks and hundreds of combat vehicles
destroyed, against 31 South Africans killed in
action, 3 tanks destroyed (SADF tanks entered
the war after the Lomba River campaign) and 11
SADF armoured cars and troop carriers lost. A
total of 9 Migs were destroyed and only 1 SAAF
Mirage shot down.
After 13 years in Angola the Cubans had still not
achieved their aim of destroying Unita and
marching into Namibia as "liberators". They had
badly underestimated the South Africans and
discovered to their cost that they were facing
highly-trained, battle-hardened troops. If they
had taken the trouble to examine South Africa's
military history, they might perhaps have paused
for thought at the fact that the forefathers of
these troops, the Boers, had held the full might of
the British Empire at bay during the Boer War,
when 450,000 British troops took three years to
subdue a force of little more than 20,000 Boers.[/quote]so your tiny brain couldn't summarize this article. shame

saengine: It just gets better. Soon we'll hear that Nigeria has developed rockets to take Nigerians into space. No wait....a Nigerian official said this will happen in 2015. Why do Nigerians lie to themselves so much?

stop weeping about our missile program na. fact is Nigeria is working to perfect it' missile technology and have tested many.
unlike your military that doesn't have secrets, Nigerian military is one of the most secretive in the world. we weren't aware of the APC, Defense boat, etc until they were unveiled. that's how secretive they are so don't expect more info than what you've goten so far about our missile programs.

zetdee: The new South Africa also came into existence in the 90s, but it's still better than Nigeria. The SANDF is ranked above Nigeria, all your questions will not change that fact.

just mention how. how many missions have they succeeded, what war history or with rebels have do they have with success.

the global firepower ranking is just the same past glory apartheid south africa left for the new

zetdee: The new South Africa also came into existence in the 90s, but it's still better than Nigeria. The SANDF is ranked above Nigeria, all your questions will not change that fact.

dude, the old south africa was better than Nigeria. and the new one is just living in past glory. with the way ANC is running the rainbow now, i doubt SA would have had such development under such useless party.

when did you hear old Nigerian soldiers condemning the new intakes' skills and professionalism? for the old SADF to complain about the SANDF comedians, there's something wrong.

SANDF is a joke and south africans have confirmed it themselves.

zetdee: HA HA HA, I see you're trying to hit back, now that you've been beaten to the pulp.

by who and what to be precise? All you've managed to do is dodge my questions and credible info about your military intervention failures. So far nothing smart has come from all of you in defense except from andrewza.

It shouldn't be a surprise if i decide to go to sleep than waste my time bickering with brainless south africans.

There seems to be a mix up about SA military. SADF is totally different from SANDF. The doctrines changed after apartheid regime gave blacks independence. With a lot of the old and ex SADF working as mercineries for private firms worldwide, there are only very few old SADF soldiers that integrated with the new.

So basically, SANDF came to existence in the late 90s. (please dispute my assertion constructively)

Now my question still remains what are the achievements of SANDF?
Read very well before the brainless south africans start to spill senselessness at my question.

zetdee: that HENDRY01 fella is the only decent Nigerian on this thread.

Exactly. you don't like being challenged so you'll like Henry that doesn't have your time. bozo

if you knew Henry's contribution to military blogs, you'll know you are not the type for him to waste his time for.

zetdee: Bunch of crooks these nigerians, that HENDRY01 fella is the only decent Nigerian on this thread.

is this the first post that i pasted the critical part of an article from? my source is different from his and i just didn't paste the source. you are a bozo if you deny that post didn't hit you.

SANDF from the perspective of a former member:

I am thinking about what the perception is of the SANDF internationally? If there even is anybody that cares... but for interest sake. I served myself from 1995-1996 in the SANDF but had exposure to it in its old form as the SADF. I got out mostly due to the changes that are now vaunted as making it a "representational force" i. e. lowering of standards, ranks handed out like sweets, ancient and truely obsolete equipment, low pay etc. etc. Nowadays as far as I can discern it is even worse - AIDS ridden troops, private soldiers who have an average age of 30+, and the highest ration of officers to privates in the world. IMHO the old SADF was feared throughout the continent, but the SANDF is not even a shell of what the SADF was. Comments?

and the response from the same real honest south africans

Kanadees
i can only agree with you, what more is their to say?

crazyhorse
Well! When 16 so called black soldiers, fire 2800 rounds of ammunition at a target only 3 metre's away, with only one bullet hitting the target, what can be expected? No wonder the terrorists had to be handed the south africa on a plate by that white terrorist de klerk....without him, they would still be trying to piss the police force off in soweto.

Vryheid
You´re right Rylan, things have gone downhill for ZA´s defense since 1994 and it´s my opinion that a lot of it has to do with integrating the ANC terrorists into national defense. From being the last bulwark against communism in Africa, the SADF has become a joke. Afrikaners can´t join the force because of ¨positive discrimination¨ and they made up the backbone of the old SADF.

We will probably never know whether it is true that SANDF killed more than 20 rebels cos there's no independent source that confirmed 800 rebel casualties, but this explanation for the SANDF defeat sounds just like that explanation a guy once gave his mates after he was beaten-up by a girl… “You should have seen those guys; all ten of them were armed to the teeth. I fought like a tiger!”

seleka defeated SANDF, occupied and ransacked their base. you lost to a group of bandits, lost when you went gallivanting alone in Lesotho, fought a 30 year war and lost. SANDF don't have a professional army and have never won any battle. period

SANDF secured and ransacked by bandits after they fled. and the true scores

andrewza: Funny I know people that were there. They don't seem to recale botswan or zim rescuing any body. Or doing any thing of note at all. SA moved and ended the coup.

dude you were supported by Botswana. i already gave proof and i know you SAns to always argue with truth cos you are liars.
SANDF would have lost if not for support from SADC troops. and your troops alone would never be able to handle the conflict. i gave proof of that already. you read it right?

andrewza: Let say there is a judo match. One win by pushing the other out of the ring but but the victor had his leg broken doing it.

so who goes home with the trophy and is regarded a winner? the victor with the broken leg that managed to push his opponent out, or the loser that had all body parts intact but still lost.

inflicting heavy casualties as you've all been bragging is not victory until you subdue or make your enemy surrender.

US killed a lot of Vietnamese but lost the war and fled. do you hear them brag about it.

andrewza: What failures? Even CAR is a succses,

actually you failed cos Africa signed a defence co-operation memorandum of understanding with the CAR in 2007. “This followed decisions of the AU Peace and Stability council for its member states ‘in the name of African solidarity’ to assist with post conflict recovery of that country”. Bozize was over thrown, your troops were killed in high numbers and your equipments taken from you, you fled and chickened out from retaliating.

that's failure, not success.

andrewza: Hell they did not even ocupy it after we left.

you mean this base. they secured the base, ransacked it and drove your equipments around... they defeated you big time

andrewza: There were problems, this took place during bad times for the SANDF yet even so the coup was stoped, lestho is stabel and it economy recoverd.

no. it went terribly wrong when SANDF went in alone and normalized after Zimbabwe and Botswana came to your rescue. i know the history very well

[quote author=Mike..ZA]Like our Boer and Zulu ancestors,We always go to battle with less men but manage to inflict heavy losses on the enemy.[/quote]so your definition of a victory is inflicting only casualties without successfully subduing your enemy? you broke your enemy's arm but he went home with the trophy and you call yourself victorious?

you should perhaps just say Japan won the battle against America cos they inflicted a lot of casualties on US but still surrendered.

so this is the strategy they teach in your military institutions? you are daft.

your zulu ancestors just ran around with spears without strategies on how to make the enemy retreat or surrender and that's the same tactics being used by your military from the bush war, lesotho to CAR.

SANDF have never won any battle against any opponent. be it rebel, poachers or country

[quote author=Mike..ZA]The late Lt Gen Deon Ferreira (a colonel at the
time and SADF force commander in South East
Angola) was quoted in the Paratus (SADF
publication) of March 1989 after the Lomba Battle
as follows:
"If defeat for South Africa meant the loss of 31
men, three tanks, five armoured vehicles and
three aircraft, then we'd lost. If victory for Fapla
and the Cubans meant the loss of 4,600 men, 94
tanks, 100 armoured vehicles, 9 aircraft and
other Soviet equiptment valued at more than a
billion Rands, then they'd won." Mike..ZA is still taking you Village Nigerian boys to school.[/quote]same old excuse.. like the same excuses you'll always have about your failure in CAR. any excuse of your failure is lesotho?

NaijaPikinGidi: Watch this fellow begin the trademark digression and derailment antics! Not so fast boy!b

don't mind the f00ls. anytime they get hit they resort to internal problems. the maggots can't even talk about their failed military operations i posted.

Msauza: Nigeria has zero combat history with other nations.

o please.. you graduated from two universities. i expect a better response than this.

we do. and they swiftly ended before they started. you people should stop bragging about a war you fought for 30 years and lost. that's a shame, not an achievement.