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 Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 4:21pm On Aug 01, 2013 |
Msauza: Military achievements: I gave you that answer long ago and I am surely not going to repeat myself.no you gave me achievements of your special task force instead of military. unless you are trying to say your task force is better than your army  |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 3:49pm On Aug 01, 2013 |
NaijaPikinGidi: Bloody liar! You only wish. I know your type and I can tell that you have no clue what you are seeing. Chei! Who can cure you of your stupidity? There are no such things as University Military Games in your real or imagined world in South Africa. I know. But then you are welcome to prove me wrong if you can!don't mind the guy. he won't even last 2 weeks drilling in an NYSC camp. why do they think Nigerian youths stand out anywhere they go we've been thought to survive 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 3:35pm On Aug 01, 2013 |
zaandrew: we have mentioned them before from the boer war, ww1, ww2, border war.sorry but these are old wars. and the bush war should not be considered an achievement cos it ended in a truce. we have histories of those old wars as well. your comrades accused us of not having modern combat history, so am asking if you have fought any modern combat yourselves from 90s, neither do you have recent experience in peace enforcement. Nigeria may not have fought country to country war probably cos no country dared to(cameroon ran to UN when they saw we were ready for war), but we have been at the forefront of peace enforcement missions in some of the most dangerous conflicts in the world and we have never failed. that says a lot about our military. an achievement SANDF will only dream about in 100 years. 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 1:03pm On Aug 01, 2013 |
@southafricans. Why is it that when i ask you simple questions you all hide your heads like tortoise? First i asked for south african military achievements you all ran away. Now i asked which modern conventional war has south africa fought, Msauza and the rest lost their tongues. Even if it's rebels you recently defeated, Just give any. Aside from your weapons industry, your military is a joke compared to Nigeria. I gave exaample how Nigeria shunned and risked going to war with neighbouring countries around SL to intervene and bring back a deposed government and the S.TUPID CraigBitch's excuse for SA's failure in CAR is that they respect international law. What a joke |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 9:42am On Aug 01, 2013 |
[quote author=Mike..ZA]Egypt last went into combat against muammar Gaddafi,long time ago. I'm talking about modern warfare.[/quote]you keep clamouring for modern warfare history. Which modern warfare has south africa engaged in and won. At least these countries have won wars. Which modern warfare did south africa ever fight? 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 9:38am On Aug 01, 2013 |
Msauza: Zuma's intention was not to retreat, the parliament and political pressure is what forced Zuma to retreat from CAR. Zuma was told that countries cannot be used to stop coup d'etat in other countries.another joke. nigeria stopped coups in siera leon and sao tome. Your leaders don't have a clue of African politics and so do you. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 12:51am On Aug 01, 2013 |
CraigB: Further embarrassing yourself. You can't use the phrase like that. Certainly not in reference to a person.Later, the term took on another expansion in its meaning. This time, according to Martin, it was applied to individuals (such as “he’s a real no- brainer”). Either way, a no-brainer is in such popular use that any reference to a dictionary is unnecessary. Nearly everyone knows what it means. In other words, it’s a no-brainer. http://www.helium.com/items/2283565-what-is-a-no-brainer can you see why i call you a waste of time? Is this how am going to keep explaining myself to you whenever i give you the creative insults you keep asking for? You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "creative" and you beg for it. Well, you don't sound like you understand yourself or anything anyway. Just one and i had to school you thru the night to make you understand. And after begging for my attention is this how to say thank you? You are very ungrateful. Now be a good boy and behave or i'll seriously shun you. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 11:46pm On Jul 31, 2013*. Modified: 12:01am On Aug 01, 2013 |
CraigB: Stuck in an English class, I see.means you are easy to understand, very predictable(never make sense). and don't require any mental effort wasting time conversing with you. i can see how a creative insult you asked for still eludes your understanding. you are a no-brainer on this thread. suck on it as i stop wasting my time with you. i permit you to quote me. so carry on boy |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 11:29pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
CraigB: And you have time to comment about such a response?no-brainer [ˈnəʊˌbreɪnə] n Slang. something which requires little or no mental effort http://www.thefreedictionary.com/no-brainer |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 11:22pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
andrewza: 4PM thursday not wensday.then the page i read it from had the wrong info. till then. although i would like to see M23 wiped out, i'll also want SANDF to give us something to laugh about . my pain though is that it's not only SANDF. Tanzania's contingent is also big. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 11:19pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
Msauza: The Boko Haram come from the grave and strike yet again despite their purported defeat:Islamic Terrorists Furious Over Recent Defeat Boko Haram is putting out positive spin on the Internet, insisting it was not hurt by the two week old government offensive. But there was a lot of damage and one result was a sharp reduction in Boko Haram attacks and their operations in general. On the down side, the government believes that most of those killed or arrested were new recruits and less skilled Boko Haram operatives. What the army really wants is the few hundred most experience Boko Haram members, who have the skills to build bombs and plan attacks. Over a hundred of these returned from Mali since February. There they tasted defeat by the French/Chad offensive that is still hunting for remaining Islamic terrorists in northern Mali. But for many months the Boko Haram in Mali tasted power as the Islamic radicals ran northern Mali, using Islamic law (sharia) and terror to get things done. Actually, all that sharia and bad behavior ruined the economy and sent several hundred thousand civilians fleeing. It’s unclear if that made any impression on the Boko Haram Mali vets. They did return with a sense of urgency and the skills needed to increase attacks inside Nigeria. The government arrested more than a hundred Boko Haram suspects and many of them did have a connection with Boko Haram, and some were willing to talk about it. By cross-checking the information provided it was possible to determine which was true and to what extent. Arrests are still being made and most Boko Haram members continue to be distracted by the need to avoid getting arrested. What is known is that the army has halted cell phone service in much of the northeast, putting Boko Haram at a disadvantage because the army and police have their own radios to communicate with. The military says they also destroyed a Boko Haram hospital and fuel storage depot, as well as several training facilities. A lots of documents were captured as well, and these are still being studied and exploited. In response the United States has openly, and privately, asked the military to try and control their personnel and avoid the all-too-common killing of innocent civilians during these operations, as well as the frequent looting of their possessions. June 1, 2013: It appears that some Boko Haram members may have been involved in an unsuccessful attack on the main prison in the capital of neighboring Niger. Several Boko Haram men are held prisoner there. May 30, 2013: In the southwest (Oyo State) customs police found over 56,000 rounds of ammunition hidden in goods being brought in from neighboring Benin. Smuggling is big business in Nigeria and the customs police are good at spotting illegal goods. Usually that means a bribe to let the goods pass but in the case of items that might get the cops killed (like ammo), it’s more likely that the contraband will be seized (although other corrupt officials might make the stuff disappear from government custody and show up on the black market). In the north police released 58 women and children taken into custody during recent raids on Boko Haram bases. Some of the children admitted that they had been paid to place bombs and scout for the adult terrorists but all 58 were granted amnesty. This gesture is part of an effort to get Boko Haram to negotiate a peace deal, something the Islamic terror group is still opposed to. Boko Haram leaders are angry about the recent army offensive and the heavy losses they have suffered (but deny and insist that the army was defeated). Admitting defeat would make Boko Haram much less effective because the group has terrorized much of the northeast largely because of its reputation of being able to hit anyone, anytime, anywhere (in the northeast at least). But now the army has killed or captured many Boko Haram members and caused the rest to scatter. That gives the locals some hope and the Boko Haram leadership fits. May 29, 2013: Police arrested three Lebanese men who admitted they were members of pro-Iran Lebanese Islamic terror group Hezbollah. The police also revealed they had seized a Hezbollah arms cache in the northern city of Kano. The police believe Iran is using Hezbollah to provide support for Boko Haram and that one of the three men arrested was caught trying to smuggle $60,000 into the country. May 26, 2013: In the northeastern city of Maiduguri police continue to round up Boko Haram members and confirmed that they had disrupted several planned attacks. In the last few days three Boko Haram men have been killed and 25 arrested in the city. May 25, 2013: In the south police rescued four foreign oil workers (two Russians and two Ukrainians) kidnapped last April 22nd. In the north police have found and freed even more Nigerians who had been kidnapped for ransom (both by Boko Haram and local ghangsters). May 24, 2013: Pirates attacked another ship (a small tanker) off the coast and are believed to have looted the vessel and kidnapped some of the 17 man crew http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/nigeria/20130602.aspx |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 10:45pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
andrewza: we actualy offerd fomac the optsion for us to stay behind in CAR. they turned us down. now the cowards who fled the fight are there doing nothing well people are being butched and raped.you don't seem to get my point. SA has an ambition of projecting power economically and militarily across africa and with that comes a price and big responsibilities "don't expect everyone to agree with your decisions". you were dealt an embarrassing blow which gave you the opportunity to act in retaliation since it was rebels not government of CAR that killed your troops. the world expected you to act and you failed. during the sierra Leon war. ivory coast, burkina faso and Liberia were against Nigeria's intervention and the rebels even got support from Liberia (not sure about the rest)which made it a bigger war. But Nigeria went ahead not minding the cost. that's how you project power. there was even a time gbagbo refused to grant Nigerian air force access through it's air space, threatened to shoot down our transport plane. But our government scrambled jets to escort the plane through ivory coast air space. thereby, risked getting involved in another war with them. with power comes responsibilities and SA showed it wasn't ready to take on those responsibilities. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 10:23pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
Msauza: They had to reinforce their army by teaming up with other militaries of neighbouring countries to form a task force. Nigeria cannot handle battles alone.another ignorant comment. it's gradually becoming a norm for you  the multinational joint task force was set up as joint patrol and protection of border regions connecting Nigeria, chad, Niger. Cameroon is a signatory but have not contributed so far(weak military). their mandate also includes operating in boarder communities within this region. a Nigerian commands this force. that's why you only hear about them when there are operations around boarder communities. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 10:14pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
[quote author=Mike..ZA]But Boko Haram has just killed 20 innocent civilians on monday. That military operation is failing. Your government will soon share a table with Boko Haram negotiators.[/quote]you know it makes me laugh when people that live in a nice developing country like SA still think lower than desert marauders in Arabian deserts. in your own opinion, insurgency can be cleared with only military action? so tell me why Britain had to negotiate with IRA to finally have peace after years of fighting them with the best military in the world for decades? why is the US begging Taliban for negotiations after 10+ of fighting them with a coalition of the best military forces in the world? why did the turkish government had to finally negotiate with the PKK for peace after years of fighting them with the best military hardware(they even went on full scale war twice with every hardware they have)? why is the second most powerful country in the world (russia) still unable to put down chechen rebels after decades of fighting them with some of the best equipments in the world? why is India(the fourth most powerful country in the world) begging MAOIST rebels for negotiation after almost 4 decades of fighting them? why is spain still battling ETA with their military might after decades? please i need answers to these question since you've become such an expert in crisis management. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 9:56pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
andrewza: Galil MAR. It close to the R6. They have modfied them though with sights, folding stock and some other upgrades.i thought it to be DENEL product. is it? |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 9:55pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
[quote author=Mike..ZA]Battling rebels is way different from going against a country,which will armoured fighting vehicles,main battle tanks and fighter jets.[/quote]then why did you retreat from CAR. you lost all credibility after that. even M23 laugh it off and warned your troops when they heard SANDF was going to join the offensive in DRC. the deadline UN gave the rebels expired by 4pm today and no offensive yet cos SANDF are still training. is it world war z they are going to fight? |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 9:51pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
NaijaPikinGidi: Another intentional display of your weak brain's capacity! You know next to nothing about countering insurgency! You know next to about intelligence gathering through such levels of dialogue! You are just entirely a clueless roasted brain CrayFish! What Nigeria has achieved in less than three months of coordinated security operations ... has confounded naysayers like you. Enjoy the pain of your delusions! Yeye CrayFish!you even have time to respond to a no brainer. someone who prefers intelligence and creativity be directed at constructing insults than making meaningful conversation/argument, a Liar and confused goat, is definitely a time waster. if not that you quoted him i bin don stop to read anything from am since. cos he hardly makes sense. and tries as possible to make nonsense out of sensible arguments. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 7:04pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
[quote author=Mike..ZA]1.Egypt( egypt is "broke" but still has enough military power to level south africa in one week,and Israel always made them fools) 2.Nigeria (Nigeria has numbers and has a lot of combat experience, they are waging a successful war against jihadists in just 3 years unlike algeria that took 10 years to control attacks to the lowest level) 3.Algeria (armed forces of Algeria,are leading a successful against armed jihadists) 4.Ethiopia 5.Morocco(is modernising its armed forces). 6.South Africa (This country has the money to produce weapons and fund unsuccessful operations including their recent defeat and retreat in CAR)[/quote]now this is more like it |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 6:53pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
[quote author=Mike..ZA]If BH is not threat then why are you deploy massive numbers of troops,even backed by fighter jets. One of your Nigerian brothers even said,BH almost downed a MI-35 helo.[/quote]i just wonder if south africans purposely chose to be ignorant or are just being silly. tell me which country in the world that is currently countering insurgency that is not using heavy military hardware. from Russia, Yemen, turkey, India, Colombia Myanmar etc, heavy weaponry is always used to dislodge rebel camps. boko haram is not a threat to our military and it would have been a threat to our unity but they also kill a lot of muslims and northerners. you can say a militants are winning when they start to claim territory and so far that has and will never happen  |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 2:54pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
agaugust: [size=16pt]now all you south african toy soldiers posting military/combat comments on this forum, please look for weblink sources of information/technical data and/or war/combat history/records to prove all the claims you have posted in the past 24 hours. i give you another extra 24 hours to post these sources/proofs.same thing i've been begging them for two weeks now. The only history they seem to have is about two conflicts they didn't win. First was the 30 years bush war. Who fights a war for 30 years with no victory and brag's about it if not losers. Second is CAR which they actually LOST and retreated never to go back. i think your list is unfair cos right now kenya and Uganda are better experienced than SA. sA should only top the list of weapons producers in Africa. Not best army |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 12:58pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
Fighter Pilot: Agaugust is just claiming that Nigeria has the most powerful air defence artillery in Africa. That is very wrong, infact they have most weakest air defence of all top military powers in Africa and have never upgraded it ever since. Who ever told this boy that SAM's are still effective air defence at this day and age is very wrong and only heaven knows what a disgrace he fed on this buddy. SAMs were undoubtedly the most effective air defence in the 80s and early 90s and now ever since the introduction of the 4th generations fighters, SAMs missiles are ruled out as the most effective weapon to stop such a latest technology. Fouth generation fighters run even faster than SAM missile on its own.and you confidently typed this rubbish with the hope of feeding it to your fellow ignorant gullible south africans. If surface to air missiles are not deemed suitable for air defense against modern jets why was israel scared of the russian S-300 SAM? Why do the US, Germany, Netherland still ddepend on the PATRIOT SAM? Why did the US deploy them to Jordan and Turkey against fears of Syrian attacks? Do you even know what a surface to air missile is? So this is the kind of soldier SANDF have been training all these years. WOW!! What a shame. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 12:43pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
saengine: If you don't know what to say rather just keep quiet.speak for yourself. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 12:35pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
Fighter Pilot: Just only by googling the Nigerian SARS the response was bad news. It looks like this Special Anti-Robbery Squad of Nigerian police are just plastic police and clearly are no match to the SAPS special task force.lol... So it's a bad news for terrorists to attack SARS HQ and failed? Check your head very well. And SARS are not like the regular police. You have to be a criminal for them to shoot your legs to pin you down. It was discovered that the guy had a scuffle with one of the men so he was shot. The nairaland post is just the regular police brutality SA is not innocent for. I backed up my claims with successful hostage rescues. So am not just boosting. Weak attemp bro. try something else |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 12:26pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
Fighter Pilot: South African special task force is internationally recognised for its role in the 30 year long bush war.will you people just shut it already with this war you fought for 30 years to a stalemate. Whats the achievment in that? Known but not recognized as one of the best. I've checked everywhere to see if they even fit into top 30. Still can't so tell me who recognizes them if not south africans alone |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 12:17pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
Thiza: @2smooth2shout Read attached links as evidence atleast you wont sound like an[/b] ignorant fool[/b]. All the links indicates success of Special Task force not....these bumble bees you called Special Force.pot calling kettle black. i saw the link and i stand by my claim that NPF SARS have had more successful rescue operations and have taken out more powerful robbery gang. Your task force does not fall into top 20. Live with it |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 12:04pm On Jul 31, 2013 |
Thiza: @2smooth2shout Read attached links as evidence atleast you wont sound like an ignorant fool. All the links indicates success of Special Task force not....these bumble bees you called Special Force. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 11:31am On Jul 31, 2013 |
Fighter Pilot: Your SARS will never come close to SAPS special task force.in photography, YES. But in real hostage rescue and counter terrorism we are way beyond you. Post recent achievements of zero hostage casualty/injury like i did with SARS. That's how you measure achievements. Not by photography alone. Your task force is not internationally known to be that good except to gullible south africans. And your link is about sri lankan special task force. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 10:42am On Jul 31, 2013 |
Thiza: @2smooth2shout Lying about the success of Nigerian Special Forces rescue missions and most operations were led by British SAS (wHO HAPPEN TO BE TRAINING YOUR FORCES) read below:http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7n4T0PhRXWAAzJ5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBybnZlZnRlBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkAw--/SIG=13n1v4f9j/EXP=1375289491/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/recriminations-wake-failed-british-nigerian-rescue-mission-two-150728210.html.i meant SARS. Typo error. am surprised you couldn't find any failed rescue mission by NPF SARS and had to pull up a british led one. Mind you, that mission failed cos it was a joint operation that the British begged to be involved in. And it failed because of them. Here's a more appropriate achievement from our SARS unit http://beegeagle./2013/05/13/nigeria-police-kill-7-kidnappers-rescue-lebanese-national-other-hostages/ http://newsbreaknigeria.com/news/KIDNAPPING%3A+One+killed+as+wife+of+Ebonyi+Deputy+Leader+is+rescued http://www.gulf-times.com/mobile//africa/243/details/353950/nigerian-hostages-rescued-by-troops http://mobile.punchng.com/output.php?link=http://www.punchng.com/news/gunmen-kidnap-supreme-court-justices-wife-daughter/ http://beegeagle./2013/07/15/anti-kidnapping-squad-of-the-special-task-force-rescue-8-hostages-arrest-3-suspects/ if i keep posting it'll take a whole page. That's what you call achievements not when almost all hostages are shot at or killed like you posted about your task force. My dear the world is beyond just posing for photos. It's now about what you do with those weapons you pose with. Untill i see recent successful zero hostage casualties or injuries of your special task force, they are just another model agency and a joke like SANDF. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 9:34am On Jul 31, 2013 |
andrewza: What was the criteria for that list, who created that list and what countries did he look at. Any case if you say american SWAT with team. The US have hundreds of difrent poliece forces each with there own tatical unit and level of training. Most are not caled SWAT even.guy there are two types of tactical units in US. FBI tactical team and police S.W.A.T. i don't know about the FBI training but i know all US state police S.W.A.T have the same training. i can bring another list of top 20 and SA is still missing. their achievements that your comrade posted here shows too many hostage casualties and injuries which only portrays not more than 10-20% success rate. meanwhile NPF SAS and Anti Terror units have better success rates at counter terrorism and hostage rescue without casualties or injuries but we don't make noise about it. Truth is that your special task force is only known and recognized by south africans. just like ours is known to us alone. [img]http://beegeagle.files./2012/10/542914_287214744703666_1219226769_n1.jpg[/img] [img]http://beegeagle.files./2012/10/179908_299483753476765_1391779970_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://beegeagle.files./2012/10/548324_319412841483856_857938739_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://beegeagle.files./2012/10/407815_217271845026919_1965562360_n1.jpg[/img] 2 Likes |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 11:21pm On Jul 30, 2013 |
Fighter Pilot: @2smooth2shout is obsessed by Hollywood movies. America is not even as violent and dangerous as South Africa. That US swat or whatever they are dealing with weak criminals.thanx. and my genre is Drama by the way not action. the US S.W.A.T is the best tactical team in the world, they didn't get that reputation by just posing for photos. dude, the US has the highest gun violence in the world, has been fighting drug cartels for decades, gang wars still going on etc.. unless south africa is dealing with terrorists internally what makes south africa more dangerous? i understand your patriotism but your special task force is not internationally recognized and not even close to top ten in the world. here's a list. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJLpGF3968 |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 10:50pm On Jul 30, 2013 |
[quote author=Mike..ZA]Nigeria can't "do straight battle",with 12 F7 fighter jets plus some lead-in fighters.[/quote]i hope you know the meaning of war. Nigeria has the capacity to rapidly grow it's military to confront any external threat. our military don't train all over the world for nothing. when war starts, we have the personnel with solid training and expertise to tackle it. mess with these fine boys at your own peril 2 Likes
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| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 9:42pm On Jul 30, 2013 |
NASF Endurance Training [img]http://beegeagle.files./2012/11/na-sf-seaside.jpg[/img] 1 Like |
