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 Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 3:41pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
sambos994: Oh boy, did he hit a nerve? I thought we were talking hostage situations and you start talking about conventional warfare. Face the music son, don't run away from it.don't mind them. if you beat them at what they started they'll be crying and looking for ways to digress from the main argument. too many weak brains in that place  |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 3:39pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Msauza: Same thing as in America, Europe, china, Kenya and Nigeria. Police abuse their power on daily basis and it is always the minister who account for their action before the court. Most of the times, law suit against the police has to be defended by the minister of police since he/she is the political head of the portfolio of safety and security.why are south africans this hypocritical? it's so disgusting.  was it not Nigerians that were giving this same sermon you just preached? now that you've been discovered and exposed of how incompetent your well equipped police are you want to back down. i won't stop making noise about it cos it was your people that came here with there special task force being professional and police. if CraigBiatch doesn't shut his ignorant mouth about nigeria democracy, i will exposed south african structure as well. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 3:17pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
CraigB: Too smooth to shout, but too reta*rded to choose an argument and stick with it. You put up examples of Naai-geria's own civil cases against cops. You closed your argument by saying: "I have shown that we (Naai-geria) have a healthy democracy. chrissy365: that one is small. these guys just build weapons but lack the skillful personnel to use them. they can cry us a river for all i care. Msauza: Atleast it is only in SA where civilians have the rights to open a case against the police for abuse of power. This privilege is unfortunately not enjoyed in Nigeria as police have every right to harass civilians anyhow they please and still get away with it without paying any compensation. Harassment by the police is an order of the day in Nigeria and poor civilians have nobody to speak on their behalf by suing the state, especially where the abuse of power took place. 2smooth2shout: another desperate and weak attempt to cover your a*sses. Msauza: The poor pastor was surely wasting his precious time for suing the police which have all the powers on earth to abuse its powers. Nigeria will never lose any case against a civilian especially in their Kangaroo courts. 2smooth2shout:even though your coconut head is too slow to understand this conversation, tell me who digressed from the main argument. it shows who the real i.diot is. now you want to claim you accepted your police being incompetent and rubbish  . guy take your confusion somewhere else. i don't have time for your S.TUPIDITY this cool afternoon. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 2:55pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
CraigB: This closing argument is just like South Africa's opening argument. This person is a time waster. Time wasters need to be shunned this Sunday morning. You challenged our statement that our cops' being sued shows a vibrant democracy and yet, you close with that exact same statement. Your whole argument is like ours. You have no clue what your unique stance on the issue is.if you weren't so dumb and s.tupid yourself, you would understand that story is about SAPS unprofessional conducts and incompetence as a modern police force. your people connected it with a vibrant democracy and i challenged it cos that is not the purpose of that report. but as usual you are always in a hurry to post your rubbish. Read the topic again before you come here displaying your s.tupidity. Civil Claims Show the Cost of an Unprofessional Police Service quotes "These claims were as a result of wrongful arrests, corruption and negligent conduct but would also include claims for murder, rapes and other violent crimes by the police." "We need a professional police service to catch violent criminals, not a trigger-happy police force that kills innocent civilians. The time for inaction is over. South Africa needs a plan to professionalise the SAPS, and it cannot be delayed any longer." and why did you respond since time wasters don't need to be responded to? see your own S.TUPIDITY? i see you been trying to get my attention since yesterday and i'm very sure you'll be happy to get it now. taste it very well cos it will be the last. nothing reasonable ever comes from your head. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 2:36pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
zetdee: On the contrary Nigerians are the ones who love to watch men's asse's.Another week WWWEEEEAAAAKK attempt. am sure you understand what you posted. "out of curiosity or hypocrisy". so how are you sure it's not out of curiosity? educate yourself first before you copy and past articles next time. otono  isn't that different from a country with deep african traditions and values to make it a law to allow men to straff and cuddle in public? EEWW!!! gays exists everywhere but it is the 90% gay population in your country that's alarming. you and Msauza being part of them. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 1:52pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Msauza: As a true democracy, we believe that people do not have the right to dictate over anybody sexual orientation. Gays and Lesbians are human beings and as such they are entitled to enjoy their rights as enshrined in the constitution.stop mixing democracy with human rights. they are totally different please. your masters of democracy (US,Britain) took decades before granting gay rights. even US only allows it in very few states and Britain only approved it in their law this month.Even France approved it this year after so many years of democracy. so what are you talking about. are you sure you are even a graduate? your government simply bowed to western pressures out of fear. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 1:48pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Msauza: Can you really see where do I want to drive you to? You are a good student and now do the calculations to see how much did the government lose on account of irresponsible policing. The same way as in South Africa.no my failed graduate from two universities. you've been reduced to accepting that south african security sector is filled with well equipped incompetent personnel and a failure of a developing country. we never told you nigerian police was perfect. iit was you who came hear ranting about SAPS and you weak special task force. and i just proved to you that our democracy is healthy. can you now see that your education is a waste? |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 1:07pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
[quote author=Mike..ZA]Get this to your head: Nigeria has no experience whatsoever in conventional warfare. It would be fair to suggest that this,country(Nigeria) can struggle to defeat another country. Regarding you saying that the Special task force,has no current "success". They arrest a bunch Congolese man,in Limpopo last year planning to overthrow the DRC government. And i will say this again: Ni-gay-ria can't go on an all out conventional warfare,against another country. Cause that would cause a security vacuum,for insurgents to destroy your country from the inside.[/quote]WOW!!! that post really got to you. i believe you of all people should know that it's SA that is the capital for GAYS of Africa. so sharaap with the gay thing. unless you like to watch men's a*sses as it's allowed in you constitution |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 1:03pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Msauza: The poor pastor was surely wasting his precious time for suing the police which have all the powers on earth to abuse its powers. Nigeria will never lose any case against a civilian especially in their Kangaroo courts. you be real otono. ‘Court-ordered N41.8b compensation not negotiable for Zaki Biam victims’ http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=116211:court-ordered-n418b-compensation-not-negotiable-for-zaki-biam-victims&catid=1:national&Itemid=559 Court orders Nigerian Government to pay N37bn damages to residents http://premiumtimesng.com/news/121196-odi-massacre-court-orders-nigerian-government-to-pay-n37bn-damages-to-residents.html Court orders Police to pay N4m to four victims shot by DPO http://thenationonlineng.net/new/subsidy-protest-court-orders-police-to-pay-n4m-to-four-victims-shot-by-dpo/ oya let me hear your next weak defense. i'll keep saying that i know a lot more about your country than you do of mine. and from what i know about yours, it ain't pretty as it shows in pictures. fact 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 12:51pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Augustine Again: [color=#000099] true talk brother. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 9:40am On Jul 28, 2013 |
andrewza: We were invited but have prior comminments.busy doing what? last i checked Nigerian Navy is more busy than SA navy. and you have more frigate than us. so please indulge us with your commitments. 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 9:38am On Jul 28, 2013 |
my people, the other day i asked for achievements of SANDF and they bragged that their special task force is rather better by posting achievements of the said special task whatever. now please read these achievements and tell me what is so laudable about 99% of the missions having hostage casualties while Nigerian police SARS and anti terror unit have achieved better with less photography and euipments. my reason for this comparison is still to prove that south africa has no no credible and professional security outfit, just toy soldiers that are ready to pose for any photographer. enjoy.. [quote author=Mike..ZA]The South African Police Service Special Task Force (SAPS STF) is the special operations element of the South African Police Service (SAPS). The STF has a formidable reputation in counterterrorism and insurgency and hostage rescue. Unlike most civilian/police counterterrorist units around the world, the special task force is also trained to conduct military special operations and has done so on many occasions, operating with their military counterparts, especially during the long 30-year border war. History A Special Task Force demonstration at AFB Waterkloof After a hostage siege at the Israeli embassy on 28 April 1975 which became known as the Fox Street Siege the South African government decided to establish a special police unit to deal with situations such as hostage situations. In 1976 the Task force was activated. The Task Force falls under operational control of the Division: Operational Response Services and is responsible for dealing with all high- risk operations, such as hostage situations on land, sea and air, including rescue-related operations. ↑Jump back a section Known Operations 25 January 1980 – The Siege of Volkskas Bank, Silverton, Pretoria. Four terrorists, armed with AK47 assault weapons and hand grenades, held the Volkskas Bank in Silverton, Pretoria under siege. They threatened to kill the hostages if all their demands were not met. In the ensuing release operation, Special Task Force members killed all the terrorists, while hostage casualties were caused by hostile small-arms fire and a hand grenade explosion. 25 – 30 January 1981 – Laingsburg flood disaster. The Special Task Force lead the search – and rescue operations. 47 bodies were recovered in 5 days. The Special Task Force also rendered disaster relief assistance to the local population. 30 July 1988 – Hostage situation- Goedemoed prison. Using sharpened objects, 22 prisoners attacked the prison warders at Goedemoed Prison. One of the warders failed to escape and was taken hostage in a cell. The hostage was stabbed twice in the neck while one of the warders was trying to negotiated with the prisoners. The SAPS Special Task Force was called in to assist in the matter. Nine members of the Special Task Force were flown to Goedemoed Prison. The Special Task Force freed the hostage with the assistance of the negotiator (warder) and the Reaction Unit of Bloemfontein. The two prisoners who held the warder hostage, were wounded, one of them fatally. 14 September 1988 – The Bus Capture at Lesotho. The Pope visited Maseru on the above date. Four members of the Lesotho Freedom Alliance hijacked a bus transporting 74 passengers at the British Embassy. The SAPS Special Task Force was called in to assist in the matter. When negotiations failed, the terrorists began shooting at the bystanders in the British Consulate. They then attempted to use the bus to ram through the embassy gates. The Special Task Force stormed the bus, killing three terrorists and capturing one. They disarmed an improvised booby trap (explosive device). 17 hostages who were injured by hostile gunfire were stabilised by Special Task Force medics. 13 December 1989 – Body recovery at Selby Mine, Johannesburg. Two members of the Special Task Force assisted the Brixton Murder and Robbery Unit in recovering a corpse from the Selby mineshaft, Johannesburg. The corpse was found at a depth of 141 meters. Obstructions, bad construction and the threat of toxic gases created additional hazards. Two members of the Special Task Force were individually lowered into the shaft, but were forced to return to the surface owing to respiratory difficulties. One member was given oxygen apparatus and lowered down the shaft again. After securing the corpse to a rope, he was hoisted to the surface. Both members were awarded the South African Police Cross for Bravery for their unselfish deed. 11 January 1993 – Hostage situation in Walmer, Port Elizabeth. A Black ex-defence force member took a woman hostage and held her at gunpoint. As negotiations failed, the Special Task Force entered the building and incapacitated the captor with 2 shots. The hostage was not hurt. 4 July 1993 – Hijacked Fokker FU28 at Jan Smuts International Airport. A Fokker FU28 airliner of Royal Swazi Airlines with 21 passengers on board was hijacked and diverted to Jan Smuts Airport, near Johannesburg. The SAPS Special Task Force was summoned to the scene and 22 members were dispatched to the airport to contain the situation and release the hostages. After being informed by the psychologist on the scene that the hijacker was emotionally unstable and irrational and a threat to the hostages, the Special Task Force was given the command to recapture the aircraft and to release the hostages. The hijacker was wounded in the head during the storming of the aircraft. A hostage was wounded in the shoulder and the pilot in the leg. No casualties were sustained by members of the Special Task Force. 10 July 1994 – Arrest of Weapon Smugglers at Nduma. Weapons are regularly smuggled from Mozambique to South Africa via the Kruger National Park which borders on Mozambique. The Organized Crime Unit and Firearm Tracing Unit requested the Special Task Force to be of assistance by way of observation duties of specified areas which had been identified by informers as areas which the smugglers readily use. 10 members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the Nduma area in the Kruger National Park where they established observation posts. The operation was successful and three (3) Mozambicans were traced and arrested. The members seized 30 AK47 rifles and three (3) SAM-7 ground-to-air missiles. 27 October 1994 – Hostage Situation and Attempted Suicide at Telkom Offices, Pretoria. A man armed with a firearm and was upset about the non-payment of his salary, entered the Telkom Distribution offices where he worked and took a number of people hostage. The hostage negotiators and 21 members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the scene. After prolonged negotiations, all the hostages were released but the man refused to surrender and threatened to take his own life. The Special Task Force were still in position and ready to take action while the negotiations with the man continued. While the negotiations were taking place, the man decided, without warning, to move to another office. The man was overwhelmed in the passage after his attention had been drawn by a stun grenade and he was disarmed. Neither the man or the people who disarmed him were injured in the incident. 15 June 1994 – Rescue Operation Salu Building, Pretoria. 28 members of the Special Task Force raced to the city center to assist with a rescue operation. A building with a number of floors was on fire and personnel working in the building above the floors which were on fire, were trapped. Members of the Special Task Force, SAPS Air Wing and SA Air Force using helicopters rescued people from the top of the building. Other members used roping equipment to evacuate the trapped people to safety. Only a small number of people were treated for minor burns and smoke inhalation. 1 March 1995 – Hostage Situation Bella Vista, Johannesburg. A man took his fiancee and her little daughter hostage after a family dispute. The hostage negotiators and six members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the scene. During negotiations, the man continually held a knife against the throat of his fiancee and also sodomised her in the presence of her daughter. The child was also ill-treated by the man while his fiancee had to watch. A tactical release of the hostages was the only way out. One member of the Special Task Force was employed as a sniper and during the tactical release of the hostages, the man was fatally wounded. A firearm was found in the room where the man had held the woman and child hostage. 27 November 1995 – Kidnapping and Hostage Situation, Vereeniging. The Intelligence Service and CID of Secunda and Vereeniging requested the assistance of the Special Task Force in an operation to locate the whereabouts of a man who had been kidnapped and was being held hostage. Information at hand was that the man had been kidnapped by 3 men and was being held hostage in a Daleside, Vereenigng house. 9 members of the Special Task Force were made available for the operation and the kidnapped man was released uninjured during a tactical release. All three men were arrested without a single shot being fired. 5 fire-arms which had been used by the hostage takers were seized. 6 August 1995 – Hostage Situation Hollywood Café, Sunnyside. A man fleeing from the SAPS on 6 August 1995, took a woman hostage in the Hollywood Café, Esselen Street, Sunnyside. The Special Task Force was summoned to the scene by Radio Control after which the hostage taker was arrested and the hostage tactically released. The man was found guilty of armed robbery, kidnapping, pointing of a firearm and possession of an unlicensed firearm. 24 to 25 February 1995 – Hostage Situation, St Albans Prison – Port Elizabeth. 22 members of the Special Task Force were summoned to St Alban's Prison, Port Elizabeth where approximately 105 prisoners had taken a prison warder as hostage. During the night of 24 – 25 February 1995, after prolonged negotiations the prison warder was released after a tactical release lasting 20 seconds. One hostage taker was fatally wounded. One injured and the other prisoners were arrested. The hostage was released without injuries. Two firearms and a M26 hand grenade were seized after the operation. 12 August 1996 – Hostage Situation 34 Baccus Street, Irene. On 12 August 1996 a man took a year old baby hostage at 34 Baccus Street, Irene. The Special Task Force deployed 21 members to the scene. During negotiations, snipers were deployed in the vicinity. The snipers observed that the man held the baby in front of him with a knife to its throat all the time. The hostage taker only moved a curtain occasionally to see what was going on outside, but never let go of the baby. Negotiations which had lasted a long time did not succeed and it was decided on a tactical release of the baby by members of the Special Task Force. During the tactical release, both snipers fired simultaneously, fatally wounding the hostage taker. The baby was safely released without any injuries. 22 May 1997 – Hostage Situation Nando's, Johannesburg. Three robbers trying to rob Nando's on the corner of Cromhout and Kimberley Streets, Johannesburg were cornered by members of the SAPS Johannesburg after being alerted by members of the public. The robbers took the employees of Nando's hostage. A gun-battle between the robbers and the SAPS took place during which two members of the SAPS were wounded. 19 members of the Special Task Force were deployed. During the release of the hostages, the three robbers were wounded and arrested. No members of the public were injured. 25 June 2006 – The Jeppestown Massacre, Jeppestown, central Johannesburg. After a robbery, 23 robbers were followed by a police helicopter to a safe house. 4 SAPS members were murdered and 8 robbers were killed in the siege before the remaining 15 gang members surrendered. Members of the Special Task Force were deployed to assist the SAPS in ending the siege. 10 August – 20 September 2012 – Marikana Miners' Strike, Rustenburg. Members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the Lonmin owned mine in the Marikana area after 2 police official, 2 security guards and 4 miners were murdered by striking miners between 12 and 14 August. On 16 August, after storming police forces with traditional weapons and small arms, 34 miners were shot dead by SAPS members and another 78 miners were injured. This became known as the Marikana Massacre. 24 November 2012 – Protea Coin cash compound, Robertsville, western Johannesburg. At around 17:00, the Task Force confronted a group of 20 heavily armed cash in transit robbers in a foiled robbery, after the robbers were cornered and opened fire on the members of the Task Force, they returned fire killing 7 and wounding 9 of the robbers. None of the Task Force members were injured in the shootout. ↑Jump back a section Recruitment and training Prospective members have to be at least 21 years old and must have served at least two years in the South African Police Service. The volunteer must also show certain personal traits such as: maturity leadership skills sound judgment. All Task Force applicants are volunteers and have to comply with stringent physical requirements before being admitted to the basic training and selection course. The basic training course is twenty-six weeks long and includes weapons, rural and urban combat as well as basic parachute training courses. Compulsory advanced courses include special skills such as diving, VIP protection, explosives and medical training. The total initial training period is nine months, but completing all the requisite advanced courses to become a full-fledged Special Task Force operational member may last up to three years.[1] Although membership of the Special Task Force open to both male and female SAPS members, female operatives undergo a separate selection course"[/quote]now please compare the old operations of 70s and 80s with 2% success to our gallant police of the 20th century NIGERIA POLICE KILL 7 KIDNAPPERS…RESCUE LEBANESE NATIONAL, OTHER HOSTAGES http://beegeagle./2013/05/13/nigeria-police-kill-7-kidnappers-rescue-lebanese-national-other-hostages/ NIGERIA POLICE ANTI-KIDNAPPING UNIT RESCUE FOUR RUSSIAN AND UKRAINIAN NATIONALS ABDUCTED OFFSHORE http://beegeagle./2013/05/26/nigeria-police-anti-kidnapping-unit-rescue-four-russian-and-ukrianian-nationals-abducted-offshore/ Police Rescue Kidnapped Briton, arrest Suspect - Daily Times Nigeria http://sunnewsonline.net/news/police-rescue-kidnapped-briton-arrest-suspect-daily-times-nigeria these operations and many more were carried out with zero hostage casualties or injuries. and so far there's no recent success by the special task force. please they should not tell us there's no crime for them to tackle cos SA is one of the the crime capitals of the world. KDF is currently more experienced and has achieved more than SANDF. i dare any south african to challenge my claim. this is still chris talking. 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 8:47am On Jul 28, 2013 |
Augustine Again: [size=16pt]The Nigeria military has captured key leaders of the militant Islamic sect Boko Haram and recovered a cache of weapons[/size]guy don't mind these f.ools. south africa would be destroyed in months if they experience the the kind of insurgency our army is dealing with. no doubt |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 8:23am On Jul 28, 2013 |
BCraig: So? Some BH person was captured. And then?so now it's no longer about boko haram defeating the army? you are as clueless as your generals. 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 8:14am On Jul 28, 2013*. Modified: 8:48am On Jul 28, 2013 |
BCraig: Exactly, as is the case in every self-respecting democracy.so in your own words, it is only a self respecting democracy that breeds barbaric, ill trained and totally well equipped unprofessional police and military? BCraig: It's a positive and not a negative.keep f.ooling yourselves till police compensation takes 80% of your national budget. olodo oshi 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 8:08am On Jul 28, 2013 |
Msauza: Atleast it is only in SA where civilians have the rights to open a case against the police for abuse of power. This privilege is unfortunately not enjoyed in Nigeria as police have every right to harass civilians anyhow they please and still get away with it without paying any compensation. Harassment by the police is an order of the day in Nigeria and poor civilians have nobody to speak on their behalf by suing the state, especially where the abuse of power took place.another desperate and weak attempt to cover your a*sses. people sue our police steady here and have been compensated many times. my dad is an example you this dumb head. like him, many don't get published except for popular people who sue them. http://www.thenigerianvoice.com/nvnews/97076/1/rev-david-ugolor-sue-nigeria-police-for-500-millio.html the issue here is police and military are incompetent and totally different from what you've been bragging about. don't divert it you this numb skull 3 Likes |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 1:13am On Jul 27, 2013 |
zetdee: Oh God, another naija blowhead, thinking he knows SA more than South Africans. Can you pls tell us about Nigerias glories history.i'll leave you to find out yourself since i didn't wait for you to teach me yours |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 1:10am On Jul 27, 2013 |
Msauza: In other words R Kelly is also not an American.stop deceiving yourself guy. why do you think they are labelled "african americans"? if they feel it inside that they are americans, why do they keep singing about africa and coming back to find their roots. though the constitution allows them to claim it but these black know deep inside them that they are not americans but liberated slaves. why do you think the "N" word is offensive to them if they feel like americans inside? real south africans are the black illiterates still being sidelined by their masters. simple if the whites feel like africans why do they call themselves "afrikaans". learn your history boy. do Nigerians have to teach you everything? 1 Like |
| Politics › Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by 2smooth2shout: 11:34am On Jul 26, 2013 |
juman: That nigeria is a failed country.and do you know you are part of that failure? don't throw stones if you live in a glass house |
