Chiddysville:

I think the problem with Nigeria is not whether we are ready for independence or not. The problem really lies in us as a people. The problem with Nigeria is not only about her leaders but also with us the followers. Our attitude determines the type and kind of leaders we have. We generally are so docile and will prefer to run to another man's country to act as servants and second class citizens rather than hold our leaders accountable and take mass action when situations calls for it. If truth must be told, this our leaders live in our midst and most of us are still the ones encouraging them in their nefarious activities by keeping quiet and condoning their excesses believing that God will come down from heaven to come and install Jesus as the president of Nigeria. If we are truly playing our part as true followers and not accomplices, i believe we would have been a better nation and not where we are today. We are always quick to carry placards in other countries to protest any injustice done to others for the world to see and NEVER RAISE A HAND TO PROTEST INJUSTICES DONE TO US, OUR FAMILIES AND OUR LAND. We always want to be more American than the Americans or more British than the English forgetting they fought tooth and nail to get to where they are today. We neglect our root and our committment to save, build and make her better. All that is happening is a blessing in disguise as  it is pointing out our collective failure both as leaders and followers and it doesn't come as a surprise for some to call on the British to come and take their birthright instead of standing up, fight and defend their land and what they will die for; which is their FREEDOM

bawomolo:

why do you say so? Nigerian officers had to be quickly promoted to fill a vacuum. African armies are highly politicized and undisciplined for a reason.

tpia.:

Nigerians are so idealistic for all the wrong reasons and fatalistic causes.

Uchek:

The answer is a resounding NO! We don't need to engage in polemics about "patriotism" "freedom" "nationalism".

By their fruits we shall know them says the Holy Bible. The fruit( or lack of thereof) of almost 50 years independence is there for all to see.

Give me the white man anytime than the likes of Babangida, Abacha, Obasanjo, David Mark,

fayahsoul:

@jacobs123

The description of the afurakan by lugard is never to be accepted because it's not true and it came from a white supremacist conceptual frame work.

And u people advocating a return to colonization are the problem because you think there's only one model for economics and governance. A model that's not yours.

Onlytruth:

I kind of disagree with this point. In fact I believe that Nigerians have risen up several times to challenge the status quo but all they have ever received was[b] mass murder[/b] and shoot at sights. This is where those who use the January 1966 coup to castigate Ndigbo always make a huge mistake. That coup was supposed to lead to other things (like freeing Awolowo to assume leadership). It went horribly wrong when mischievous people started to inject tribalism into it. Then came the Biafran revolution (a revolution meant to correct all ills of Nigeria) complete with a political and social vision tilted the Ahiara declaration. Every Nigerian must read this declaration before ever attempting to blame Biafra and Ndigbo. When supposed statesmen like Awolowo stood by and watched as innocent Nigerians were massacred for questioning the legitimacy of Nigeria. When Awo and Enahoro supported the use of starvation as weapons of war to suppress Nigerians who dared the system and took up arms which lead to the death of about 2 million people.
That was when the seed of genocidal suppression was sowed in Nigeria. Since then, the security forces have killed anyone who dared demonstrate decisively against coups, election rigging and imposition of leaders. And you would think that Nigerians have learned something from history, but no!
You still find in Nairaland here, people who taunt the Igbo for "losing their foolish war". You still find people here who says things like "serves those stupid igbos right". You still find people who blame the Igbo for wanting to reshaped Nigeria. People who wonder why Biafran soldiers entered Midwest and was heading for Lagos. Biafra was undergoing a revolution! You bring about change through revolutions.
Nigerians will never rise to do anything even if one man decides to rule for eternity! That is why Obasanjo tried it, and Yar adua is currently scheming for it. Like I said before, our problem has nothing to do with the British. We can fix our country ourselves.
Someone here said that Nigerias are stupid people. He may be right because some people here are so blinded by their hatred of Igbos, that they cannot know when that hatred transforms into self defeatism. If someone has a good vision, let's try to find out how that vision will work instead of seeing his tribe first. The north and west have ruled Nigeria since the end of the Biafran war. Nigeria still don't have even electricity today. So their collective visions for Nigeria have failed! Let's try something really smart!

Onlytruth:

I really think that the lesson of 1966 is that people who cannot share a common vision (no matter how flawed) have no business forming a nation. Only those with similar visions for the future should come together to form a nation. The gross misunderstanding of 1966 laid the foundation for a 43 year suppression of about 40 million people whose vision of the future in 1966 has proven correct in 2009. We want a nation were we can stage a demonstration about anything without being shot at sight or anyone seeing a tribal angle. This is not idealism. This is realism. A lion and a goat cannot share a home. Neither can a monkey and a banana tree. Let all lions come together and live in one house and let all goats share a different house too. Nigeria's independence from the British in 1960 was incomplete. Since the genocide of 1966 to 1970, all other attempts to redesign the country has failed. No one wants to experience the Biafran experience, certainly not the yoruba and some south southerners (like Edo people) who were not part of Biafra.
So, the north or anyone for that matter can rule Nigeria anyhow and for any length of time without anything happening. Biafra's loss is Nigeria's massive loss!

Onlytruth:

I kind of disagree with this point. In fact I believe that Nigerians have risen up several times to challenge the status quo but all they have ever received was[b] mass murder[/b] and shoot at sights. This is where those who use the January 1966 coup to castigate Ndigbo always make a huge mistake. That coup was supposed to lead to other things (like freeing Awolowo to assume leadership). It went horribly wrong when mischievous people started to inject tribalism into it. Then came the Biafran revolution (a revolution meant to correct all ills of Nigeria) complete with a political and social vision tilted the Ahiara declaration. Every Nigerian must read this declaration before ever attempting to blame Biafra and Ndigbo. When supposed statesmen like Awolowo stood by and watched as innocent Nigerians were massacred for questioning the legitimacy of Nigeria. When Awo and Enahoro supported the use of starvation as weapons of war to suppress Nigerians who dared the system and took up arms which lead to the death of about 2 million people.
That was when the seed of genocidal suppression was sowed in Nigeria. Since then, the security forces have killed anyone who dared demonstrate decisively against coups, election rigging and imposition of leaders. And you would think that Nigerians have learned something from history, but no!
You still find in Nairaland here, people who taunt the Igbo for "losing their foolish war". You still find people here who says things like "serves those stupid igbos right". You still find people who blame the Igbo for wanting to reshaped Nigeria. People who wonder why Biafran soldiers entered Midwest and was heading for Lagos. Biafra was undergoing a revolution! You bring about change through revolutions.
Nigerians will never rise to do anything even if one man decides to rule for eternity! That is why Obasanjo tried it, and Yar adua is currently scheming for it. Like I said before, our problem has nothing to do with the British. We can fix our country ourselves.
Someone here said that Nigerias are stupid people. He may be right because some people here are so blinded by their hatred of Igbos, that they cannot know when that hatred transforms into self defeatism. If someone has a good vision, let's try to find out how that vision will work instead of seeing his tribe first. The north and west have ruled Nigeria since the end of the Biafran war. Nigeria still don't have even electricity today. So their collective visions for Nigeria have failed! Let's try something really smart!

okokomeji:

I shall never see this great country divided because of Bia-failed and I pray God should reciprocate with every last one of you (your bad wishes for Nigeria). If you don't do amen, I do it by myself. Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!         



Pa Anthony enaoro (an enemy in disguise, when they need helps from Westerners that is when you see them. He came to Awo's rememberance in AOU, he just showered eucomium of the sage and later came up with self-determination. Let's just assume, they want to immortalize Awo, he would be the first to object. Igbos are no good) wants self-determination in his backyard. It’s high time, his menopause ravaged old folk wants to have a pregnant.
Biafailed, you cannot break down this great nation on us, the worst should be you living Nigeria and go back to Sahara or Israel where you claimed you came from.
We have been cheated a long time and will lean with it, so you can to slow down your agitations too.
Because, government has discovered Oil Or Oyel like you called it, in the east and now it’s high time for your self-determination?
Now, no more cocoa proceeds, it has shifted to Oil preceeds, the whole Nigeria shall be benefited from Oil, just like they did to Cocoa proceeds.
Resources distribution took this form. Of the 100% income accruing to the regions that were to retain 50%, thirty five percent redistributive income after polling together so that the regions without a good resource base could benefit, while 15% was to be polled together to run the centre. In the following analysis, we will see how the Hausa/Fulanis have withdrawn 98 % to the centre.
SWIFT ALTERATIONS:

This era saw the beginning of the deliberate distortions of the popular constitutional arrangements between the federating units agreed upon from 1953 and 1959.
First to come under the hammer was the revenue sharing formula. From the 50% revenue accruing to the regions according to the derivation principle, the new military regime removed 5% and added it to that of the Federal government in 1967. The government divided the regions (which had become four as a result of one additional region fraudulently carved out of the west in the heat of the Western regional crisis.
By 1975, Muritala Muhammed seized power from Gowon. Knowing that the Federal civil service was dominated by the Yorubas, because of their early exposure to Western education, 10,000 civil servants were sacked in a day. He equally ordered the removal of the Federal capital territory from Lagos, a Yoruba city, to Abuja in the north. Radio and television stations, which were established by the regions were also taken over. The same fate befell primary and tertiary institutions. The Federal government under Muritala said it wanted to ensure 'uniform" development. He took over roads and all health institutions which were in the care of the west. The first stadium of international standard built in the 1 950s in Ibadan by the Western regional government, which was also the first of its kind in Africa was taken over. And under the guise of the centre having enormous responsibilities in her hands, Muritala removed a whooping 20% from the remaining 45% revenue accruing to the states from derivation.
Under a new economic arrangement, another staggering 20% of the remaining 25% revenue accruing to states from derivation was removed. Shehu Shagari ran the economy aground within four years. The Buhari succeed coup’s regime could not understand why the states still had "so much" percentage of the derivation revenue in their control. Of the 5% derivation revenue remaining with the states, (three and half percent) was taken, leaving a paltry (One and half percent) for the states.
Your chicken has come home to roast. After Niger Delta is formed and Oil is discovered. I guess Ijaws are ready to say Bye-Bye boo to Biafra; if the worst comes to worse, the little Igbo extractions who were living on the edge of river Niger to the west- under the influence of Ijaws and Edo (would pack and join Onyegbo in the east.

remember that ndiigbo were in the west before oduduwa invaded from where ever with his people.

okokomeji:

I shall never see this great country divided because of Bia-failed and I pray God should reciprocate with every last one of you (your bad wishes for Nigeria). If you don't do amen, I do it by myself. Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!          



Pa Anthony enaoro (an enemy in disguise, when they need helps from Westerners that is when you see them. He came to Awo's rememberance in AOU, he just showered eucomium of the sage and later came up with self-determination. Let's just assume, they want to immortalize Awo, he would be the first to object. Igbos are no good) wants self-determination in his backyard. It’s high time, his menopause ravaged old folk wants to have a pregnant.
Biafailed, you cannot break down this great nation on us, the worst should be you living Nigeria and go back to Sahara or Israel where you claimed you came from.
We have been cheated a long time and will lean with it, so you can to slow down your agitations too.
Because, government has discovered Oil Or Oyel like you called it, in the east and now it’s high time for your self-determination?
Now, no more cocoa proceeds, it has shifted to Oil preceeds, the whole Nigeria shall be benefited from Oil, just like they did to Cocoa proceeds.
Resources distribution took this form. Of the 100% income accruing to the regions that were to retain 50%, thirty five percent redistributive income after polling together so that the regions without a good resource base could benefit, while 15% was to be polled together to run the centre. In the following analysis, we will see how the Hausa/Fulanis have withdrawn 98 % to the centre.
SWIFT ALTERATIONS:

This era saw the beginning of the deliberate distortions of the popular constitutional arrangements between the federating units agreed upon from 1953 and 1959.
First to come under the hammer was the revenue sharing formula. From the 50% revenue accruing to the regions according to the derivation principle, the new military regime removed 5% and added it to that of the Federal government in 1967. The government divided the regions (which had become four as a result of one additional region fraudulently carved out of the west in the heat of the Western regional crisis.
By 1975, Muritala Muhammed seized power from Gowon. Knowing that the Federal civil service was dominated by the Yorubas, because of their early exposure to Western education, 10,000 civil servants were sacked in a day. He equally ordered the removal of the Federal capital territory from Lagos, a Yoruba city, to Abuja in the north. Radio and television stations, which were established by the regions were also taken over. The same fate befell primary and tertiary institutions. The Federal government under Muritala said it wanted to ensure 'uniform" development. He took over roads and all health institutions which were in the care of the west. The first stadium of international standard built in the 1 950s in Ibadan by the Western regional government, which was also the first of its kind in Africa was taken over. And under the guise of the centre having enormous responsibilities in her hands, Muritala removed a whooping 20% from the remaining 45% revenue accruing to the states from derivation.
Under a new economic arrangement, another staggering 20% of the remaining 25% revenue accruing to states from derivation was removed. Shehu Shagari ran the economy aground within four years. The Buhari succeed coup’s regime could not understand why the states still had "so much" percentage of the derivation revenue in their control. Of the 5% derivation revenue remaining with the states, (three and half percent) was taken, leaving a paltry (One and half percent) for the states.
Your chicken has come home to roast. After Niger Delta is formed and Oil is discovered. I guess Ijaws are ready to say Bye-Bye boo to Biafra; if the worst comes to worse, the little Igbo extractions who were living on the edge of river Niger to the west- under the influence of Ijaws and Edo (would pack and join Onyegbo in the east.

tpia.:



ikeyman must be very proud people are taking his fables as gospel truth.

That's black people for you (especially Nigerians)- sound a gong somewhere and they'll bear arms without necessarily knowing what they're fighting for.


Just give them any cause and watch their zeal.

Herd mentality par excellence.

fayahsoul:


The presence of ndiigbo in the west prior to oduduwa landing is in yoruba oral history and folklore u chicken head.

tpia.:

oooh, interesting!

Care to fill me in on the details, braino?

fayahsoul:

i no sabi speak chickenese. . .sorwy.

sjeezy8:

i love igbos the sensible ones atleast, they created biafra out of land that isn't their if we count all of the indigenous tribes they tried to FORCE in biafra they will out number the igbos,

if anything the opressed is the niger deltans not the igbos so make biafra out of igbo lands and nothing else

like i said the RICH IGBOS are not complaining when they have oil shares in edo, ijaw etc lands,

fayahsoul:


The presence of ndiigbo in the west prior to oduduwa landing is in yoruba oral history and folklore u chicken head.