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Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by viewlekan: 10:25pm On Jul 27, 2009 |
jacobs123: I totally cocur with most posters that we were not ready for independence and to be honest I doubt we had any idea about the implications and responsiblities that went with it.I think that our clamour for independence had more to do with it being a popular phenomenon at the time rather than the advantages the country could have derived from it, especially if we consider that Nigeria had more potentials that the Asian tigers, (comprised of South Korea,Indonesia,Malaysia etc). I don't think I would blame Enahoro,Awolowo,Azikiwe etc because they led a campaign that was justified during that period.I also do not share the arguement that Nigeria would have appreciated it more if the struggle had been more bloody, As pointed out by a lot of posters , that wouldn't have translated into anything fruitful if we consider the examples of some North African countries, perharps the only thing is that it could have unified us more , (but that is still debatable). As regards the quote from Luggard, that was an idiotic,haughty,atrousious and audacious statement coming from someone who came to another country for the sole purpose of subjugating and exploiting it's inhabitants.I believe it is very rich coming from someone appointed to lord it over other human beings, and had the priviledge of his wife naming a country at her whimp. How could he possibly judge or understand a group of people if he hasn't being in their shoes.I totally disagree with his inference and I wouldn't read too much to it considering he was representing the British empire who thought they were invariably better than other people. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by AndreUweh(m): 11:05pm On Jul 27, 2009 |
The imperial regime did not hand over power to those whom they usurped. Rather they handed over to the Nationalist. This wrongful hand over in 1960 has Made Nigerians to continue handing over to the wrong people. Please, this is just my personal reasoning. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by sage(m): 11:32pm On Jul 27, 2009 |
@viewlekan turns to hurling insults at Lugard. U dont need to walk in a peoples' shoes to know if theyy are planning for the future, etc A couple of writers have noted that Africans seem incapable of self examination and get defensive when ever an issue is raised screaming racism and imperialism. When I raised the issue of what Lugard had written a couple of months ago, some people where screaming blue murder. But i was struggling to to comprehend why folks where mad at what Lugard said. Take a look at our society collectively Is it full of personal vanity to an extreme level------------------yes Have we shown any foresight or planning for the future--------------------no Do we display placidity regarding our pathetic circumstance, yes (siddon dey look, suffer n smile) Do we display an irrational fear of the supernatural, yes Have we shown the ability to run one single thing in our country well, no Do we love the display of power, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes Am I missing something? Lugard had a condescending view of Africans, but that does not invalidate points that he made |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by sage(m): 11:37pm On Jul 27, 2009 |
We were not ready for independence and i still dont think we are ready now. Infact the root cause of our problems is too much to list. dont know where to start |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by Onlytruth(m): 11:42pm On Jul 27, 2009 |
Andre Uweh: I believe that Southern Nigeria was ready for independence in 1960. The North was not ready then and would never have been ready. Having said that, I think the quote below from Chidichris captures some of my sentiments. to me, this question does not exist. That apart, the first "nationalists" like Zik and Enahoro did us an immense disservice by demanding independence for a poorly constituted country. No one should blame the British. They were not in Nigeria as "father christmas". They were there to exploit and maximize the opportunities of colonization. If they saw an opportunity to plant people who were friends to the British interests, they would be fools not to exploit it to the fullest! That is what they did and that is why when the coup of January 1966 happened -which was a patriotic coup, the type being demanded by some commentators here-(as an Igbo with hindsight, I wish that coup never happened!), the British were quick to ensure a return to the status quo ante (an order they left behind) and also provided maximum support for Nigeria against Biafra. So Nigeria's current problems are deep. We were let down by our so called "founding fathers". I suspect they could have negotiated and extracted fairer and more sensible terms of independence from the British. If that happened, there would not have been a 1966 coup nor a civil war. In fact there would not have been a "Nigeria" as we have today. We could have created something workable. How sad! |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by sage(m): 12:05am On Jul 28, 2009 |
to sum up our current problems No roads, no light, no sanitation, no security of lives n property but We use almost 50% of our budget to pay salary to thieves posing as politicians in the name of democracy Between 1-1.5 trillion Naira used to pay legal and official salary to big men if corruption went down to 0%, i mean 0% we would still be using half of our money to pay bigmen How are we ever going to develop or make progress? |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by mccloud224(m): 1:26am On Jul 28, 2009 |
[/quote][quote]@viewlekan turns to hurling insults at Lugard. U dont need to walk in a peoples' shoes to know if theyy are planning for the future, etcDo we display an irrational fear of the supernatural, yes I concur.You know the only time an individual makes any change in his/her life is when they have the maturity to look inward and see where they are going wrong.It always amazes me the way people get necessarily defensive without taking a minute or two to examine the facts.As much as Lugard's statements ruffles some feathers, it's the TRUTH.His statement defines the nature of the average black man.You'll see part of the traits of what he said when some posters start replying. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by shesi(m): 1:37am On Jul 28, 2009 |
"we need jerry rawlings, we need jerry rawlings" Just who do you people think Jerry Rawlings is? Becareful what you wish for. The grass always seems greener on the other side. For example, Do you know most Ghanaians think of Obasanjo as the greatest Nigerian leader ever? true. It was not until i came here that i found out he is reviled by majority of nigerians. Rawlings was pressured by both the UN and the West to return Ghana to democratic rule. Otherwise he would never have done so. He has said several times he does not believe in democracy. His government introduced Tribalism into Ghanaian politics. And has the worst human rights record in Ghana's history. Is that the kind of person you need? Men like him think they are the only ones capable of running the country. I once heard an interview by Obasanjo where he said something like "if i didn't take up the mantle, who would have run the country", He was talking about in the aftermath of Abacha's death. You see, they think they are the only capable ones. LIke Obama said "Africa needs strong institutions, NOT strong men" |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by shesi(m): 1:51am On Jul 28, 2009 |
@ Topic Ofcourse you were ready. To argue anything else would be to argue that there was anarchy before the europeans came. Infact the question itself it rubbish. How were you governing yourselves before the europeans came. Don't attribute the failure of a few individuals to a failure of the entire population. If there has been any failure, it has been the failure of self appointed leaders you have had who can't do the job and refuse to hand over capable hands. I say self appointed because it is obvious these are not leaders chose by nigerians themselves. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by bawomolo(m): 6:11am On Jul 28, 2009 |
a gradual transition to independence could have being better. the british did a poor job of integrating the North and South |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by FBS: 7:16am On Jul 28, 2009 |
bawomolo:The amalgamation of North and South in 1914 was an error. Mr Milverton spread the disease that killed Nigeria. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by bawomolo(m): 7:24am On Jul 28, 2009 |
FBS: Nigeria is basically two distinct regions like sudan. Dangerous mixture. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by FBS: 7:27am On Jul 28, 2009 |
bawomolo:and a time bomb waiting to explode. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by Nobody: 8:32am On Jul 28, 2009 |
like I said before, the Brits and other Europeans had worn themselves out after the devastation of WWII. That's why so many African countries got their "independence" within few years of each other. It wasnt about if you were "ready" or not. More like the whites got tired of running the colonies and needed time to recuperate, imo. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by kshow1(m): 8:41am On Jul 28, 2009 |
FBS: Nigeria is a failed nation even before independence and i think the way forward is to revert back to where we started. DISINTEGRATION |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by Nobody: 8:57am On Jul 28, 2009 |
A couple of writers have noted that Africans seem incapable of self examination and get defensive when ever an issue is raised screaming racism and imperialism. cant argue with that. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by pek(m): 9:08am On Jul 28, 2009 |
maybe we will be by 2020!!!!!!! |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by hackney(m): 9:17am On Jul 28, 2009 |
There's no way we were ready for independence in 1960. How you know is : Look at us now !! We are still unable to govern ourselves. Squabbling over personal selfish interests at every level. Recycling old farts ever since. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by olabukola: 9:29am On Jul 28, 2009 |
pek:I don't think we will have something like Nigeria beyond 2015. @Topic We were ready for independece but not as Nigeria. Their shouldn't have been anything Nigeria in the first place that is why Nigeria will never work irrespective of how we try. The only solution to Nigerian problem now is going back to regional govt or out-right seperation. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by Nezan(m): 9:45am On Jul 28, 2009 |
pek:I don't think we will be ready even then. Nigeria is a failed state. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by mayrho(m): 9:46am On Jul 28, 2009 |
ofcourse the origin of Nigeria has issues plus when person mistress name us what do you expect "we were like born out of wedlock" Make God save us sha |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by jaho: 9:50am On Jul 28, 2009 |
It is suicidal to live in the past, and simply saying that Nigeria was not ready for independence amounts to living in the past. As a matter of fact I would prefer a Nigeria built by Nigerians that a Nigeria built for Nigerians |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by Nobody: 10:44am On Jul 28, 2009 |
no, we are not ready, but since the britons can't come to help us again, like someone suggested, we should ask for the help of our Ghanaian brothers, I am presently doing a thesis for my dissertation of a study comparing some works in Nigeria and Ghana, I felt like crying for Nigeria(the Educational sector has spoilt more than I thought of), from the look of things Ghana is like 15 years ahead of us in terms of Education and research, I was getting good data from Ghana, but the their Nigerian counterpart had scanty useless data, a whole Giant of Africa, |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by Chiddysville(m): 11:19am On Jul 28, 2009 |
I think the problem with Nigeria is not whether we are ready for independence or not. The problem really lies in us as a people. The problem with Nigeria is not only about her leaders but also with us the followers. Our attitude determines the type and kind of leaders we have. We generally are so docile and will prefer to run to another man's country to act as servants and second class citizens rather than hold our leaders accountable and take mass action when situations calls for it. If truth must be told, this our leaders live in our midst and most of us are still the ones encouraging them in their nefarious activities by keeping quiet and condoning their excesses believing that God will come down from heaven to come and install Jesus as the president of Nigeria. If we are truly playing our part as true followers and not accomplices, i believe we would have been a better nation and not where we are today. We are always quick to carry placards in other countries to protest any injustice done to others for the world to see and NEVER RAISE A HAND TO PROTEST INJUSTICES DONE TO US, OUR FAMILIES AND OUR LAND. We always want to be more American than the Americans or more British than the English forgetting they fought tooth and nail to get to where they are today. We neglect our root and our committment to save, build and make her better. All that is happening is a blessing in disguise as it is pointing out our collective failure both as leaders and followers and it doesn't come as a surprise for some to call on the British to come and take their birthright instead of standing up, fight and defend their land and what they will die for; which is their FREEDOM |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by Nobody: 11:39am On Jul 28, 2009 |
Uhm! What changes would this topic bring to Nigeria or Nigerians anywiays? Whether we were ready or not. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by Nobody: 12:21pm On Jul 28, 2009 |
I strongly 2nd Jacob123's number 4 point |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by yommyuk: 12:53pm On Jul 28, 2009 |
"Independence" I will always be in contention with this notion called "Independence" Independent from what? Is it the Political, Economical, Social, Religious ideologies brought by the imperalist which main intension was/is to destroy the frabic of what we are "Human beings" A way of life that is and will always be alien to us. Look at where we are today. We are still trying to implement a constitution that was copied from the Britons. I feel ashamed when we say we are celebrating the our independence day. We should move on from this slavery mentality and start thinking of how we can be independent of the the ideologies that the colonist established in our mist. We should probably start being independent inwardly where the North, West and East and Others will acknowledge our differences. Learn to be independent of those things that is causing strife between us hence working together for the common good of our great Nation. Let's purge the back dated notion to the river of forgetfullness. I plead. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by manmustwac(m): 1:30pm On Jul 28, 2009 |
Nigeria was not ready for independance and i don't believe Nigeria will ever progress |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by bawomolo(m): 6:17pm On Jul 28, 2009 |
I think the British take some blame for not properly preparing Nigerians in the areas of Administration. The British didn't build a properly disciplined army either. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by asha80(m): 6:23pm On Jul 28, 2009 |
bawomolo: I disagree. |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by Fhemmmy: 6:34pm On Jul 28, 2009 |
bawomolo: Even if they never did, you mean, Nigeria couldn't build one in 40 years? |
Re: 1960: Were We Ready For Independence? by bawomolo(m): 6:38pm On Jul 28, 2009 |
asha 80: why do you say so? Nigerian officers had to be quickly promoted to fill a vacuum. African armies are highly politicized and undisciplined for a reason. Fhemmmy: of course it could and has had many chances to. |
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