joseph1013:

I cannot disappoint you because I don't even know you exist. You disappoint yourself. I think you have a warped sense of information processing. I would like to see the quote you allude to so I can show you the context, if any.

It's obvious you're trying very hard to pin the Yoruba label to me. Can you proof it? I speak the three major languages as my upbringing and job/entrepreneurship has taken me to every part of this country, so can I see your proof of me being a Yorubaman other than these childish tantrums?

If you see me write Yoruba and hence think I'm Yoruba, what will you do when I show you posts in which I wrote Igbo of the Enugu variety? Can you see how much you have failed?

But I wait for you to show me this quote you speak of.

Kog45:
This issue started yesterday btw humility 017 and sir forgiveness and i try to come in which humility responded in a good way but u know what sir forgiveness has his own philosophy when it comes to player invitations which we must respect him just as we respect other people's opinions here without a rancour.

Honestly i hate d word tribal and tagging someone tribal can bring up issues especially in a sensitive country like ours,this made me run from political section in nairaland,we should not turn this thread to politics.To be candid it w take talented Yoruba or Hausa to break into national team coz d game belong to d south east and south south but nevertheless if forgiveness was rooting for his kinsmen,d first question is are they good for d national team but tagging him a tribal man is uncalled for.

I know some monikers here who are worst than forgiveness but it w take a third eyes to notice them coz they do it in a way u w never know but they are tribal.For instance have seen a moniker who always attack Onigbinde and tagged him a tribal man coz he took Opabunmi to world cup forgetting the same man gave Enyeama his first break,d same Onigbinde made Keshi eagles captain at d expense of his kinsman Muda Lawal at afcon 84.The same moniker attack Odegbami at any slight moment forgetting Odegbami made it possible for Chioma Ajuwa to win Olympic gold coz he was responsible for her upkeep and training to Atlanta 96,d same Odegbami made it possible for Nigeria to play England at Wembley.The same moniker attack Kayode Olarewaju even before his invitation to super eagle with no reason,also attack Juwon Oshaniwa now doubting Ola Aina ability but there is no need to tag such fellow tribal man coz this is a forum and there are rules that guide it.

A lot happen here when it comes to player selection and a lot are always carried a way with sentiments and we must respect their opinions, no need to generate issues, we are all here to learn or gather information,d thread is so beautiful to extent is d leading thread on nairaland and we must respect those who started this thread coz they make it what it's today.

Kog45:
This issue started yesterday btw humility 017 and sir forgiveness and i try to come in which humility responded in a good way but u know what sir forgiveness has his own philosophy when it comes to player invitations which we must respect him just as we respect other people's opinions here without a rancour.

Honestly i hate d word tribal and tagging someone tribal can bring up issues especially in a sensitive country like ours,this made me run from political section in nairaland,we should not turn this thread to politics.To be candid it w take talented Yoruba or Hausa to break into national team coz d game belong to d south east and south south but nevertheless if forgiveness was rooting for his kinsmen,d first question is are they good for d national team but tagging him a tribal man is uncalled for.

I know some monikers here who are worst than forgiveness but it w take a third eyes to notice them coz they do it in a way u w never know but they are tribal.For instance have seen a moniker who always attack Onigbinde and tagged him a tribal man coz he took Opabunmi to world cup forgetting the same man gave Enyeama his first break,d same Onigbinde made Keshi eagles captain at d expense of his kinsman Muda Lawal at afcon 84.The same moniker attack Odegbami at any slight moment forgetting Odegbami made it possible for Chioma Ajuwa to win Olympic gold coz he was responsible for her upkeep and training to Atlanta 96,d same Odegbami made it possible for Nigeria to play England at Wembley.The same moniker attack Kayode Olarewaju even before his invitation to super eagle with no reason,also attack Juwon Oshaniwa now doubting Ola Aina ability but there is no need to tag such fellow tribal man coz this is a forum and there are rules that guide it.

A lot happen here when it comes to player selection and a lot are always carried a way with sentiments and we must respect their opinions, no need to generate issues, we are all here to learn or gather information,d thread is so beautiful to extent is d leading thread on nairaland and we must respect those who started this thread coz they make it what it's today.

Petrobros:


Well, I am too busy to spend valuable hours digging up one I formation from over a year ago.

Just call your Yoruba brother to order. He is messing up this thread.

Petrobros:


Well, I am too busy to spend valuable hours digging up one I formation from over a year ago.

Just call your Yoruba brother to order. He is messing up this thread.

Humility017:

it's okay..
let's leave everything to rest now..
I admit i should have acted better...
may be I should have ignored it...

please let us live in peace now...
it hurts seeing the thread denigrating into something like this

Humility017:

it is okay...please let's shelve everything....
may be I should have just ignored....

joseph1013:


That you did not call the term does not mean you have not used it. Nepotism simply means favoritism shown to relatives or friends. Nepotism does not necessarily mean Tribalism. If you have used "Siasia boys" as an accusation on his person, you have inadvertently called Siasia nepotic. So how are you different from him?

And this to me is the crux of the matter. With your many words, you have not given ONE proof that shows he is tribalistic. Just provide ONE. Because the same person that you say is always for Kayode and Aina is the same person attacking those against Onazi, Simon and Musa. Are these also his tribesmen?

Just provide ONE undeniable proof that he is tribalistic. Something to show that he is what you are not guilty of.

DrKlever:
i love this thread so much but i always feel sick reading comments from forgiveness. i hate this man so much... you people are not helping matters ataw by giving him unnecessary attention. please learn to ignore this immature and rather senseless man to his fate especially now that he has an attorney in Joseph.

blueto:
From the commentaries from the just concluded game between Chelsea and Everton, I can surmise that V.Moses had an injury free game, thus an report that claims he sustained an unnoticed injury or injury from training will be termed a feigned injury to me.

Mickael2:



brother do you actually know the meaning of tribalism? I am pretty sure that you have seen the messages where he was saying that when the coaches of the youth teams will be released only one part of the country will be favoured, is that not a comment borne entirely out of tribalism? see, are you this unintelligent that you are arguing that until you prove him wrong,his tribal-inclined comments are no longer what they are? oga,once you make a comment that suggests your preference towards one part if the country, whether it was countered or not, that is pure tribalism.


now let me dissect that coaching aspect. Manu Garuba was the coach at some point, same goes for Obuh and even Ladan Bosso. the problem with that comment is that we have been doing well at youth level, does it matter which part of the country these guys are from? I thought what we need are the best, not just the best people that have something to offer, does it matter where these people are from? I cannot draw a formation for the SE without including Kayode and excluding Iheanacho entirely, talent wise Nacho is easily the best and on top of that he is from my part of the country, but I believe Kayode is more suitable for that position so I vouch for him. I have been calling for the inclusion of the younger wingers like Olayikan ahead of Iwobi as a winger in fact, the point here is that the best is all that matters. if the NFF decides to hire Yoruba coaches for all the national teams what do I care? so long as they function well we pop a bottle together and celebrate the team. coming here to tell us,without any meaningful fact I must add, that the NFF favours one part of the country portrays tribalism, EOD

ProfOrlando:
I think ola Aina isn't coming too, that's why they're inviting agbo.
what a blow to the SE, we'll really miss iwobi, even if he wasn't going to start, we all know he could add some extra quality from The bench.

Mickael2:



brother do you actually know the meaning of tribalism? I am pretty sure that you have seen the messages where he was saying that when the coaches of the youth teams will be released only one part of the country will be favoured, is that not a comment borne entirely out of tribalism? see, are you this unintelligent that you are arguing that until you prove him wrong,his tribal-inclined comments are no longer what they are? oga,once you make a comment that suggests your preference towards one part if the country, whether it was countered or not, that is pure tribalism.


now let me dissect that coaching aspect. Manu Garuba was the coach at some point, same goes for Obuh and even Ladan Bosso. the problem with that comment is that we have been doing well at youth level, does it matter which part of the country these guys are from? I thought what we need are the best, not just the best people that have something to offer, does it matter where these people are from? I cannot draw a formation for the SE without including Kayode and excluding Iheanacho entirely, talent wise Nacho is easily the best and on top of that he is from my part of the country, but I believe Kayode is more suitable for that position so I vouch for him. I have been calling for the inclusion of the younger wingers like Olayikan ahead of Iwobi as a winger in fact, the point here is that the best is all that matters. if the NFF decides to hire Yoruba coaches for all the national teams what do I care? so long as they function well we pop a bottle together and celebrate the team. coming here to tell us,without any meaningful fact I must add, that the NFF favours one part of the country portrays tribalism, EOD

Icon4s:


Recall his comment when asked abt y he took Adepoju(hu was virtually called back frm retirement) and Opabunmi to the 2002 WC when it was obvious they were nt good enough at that time to make d team.Remember he dropped Finidi George, Sunday Oliseh, Tijani Babangida and Victor Ikpeba. The Nigerian press tagged him a tribalist nt jst bc he picked Opabunmi and Adepoju ahead of the above mentioned Golden generation Eagles bt bc of the ethnocentric reason behind his decision. It was d Ibadan connection though Onigbinde is from Modakeke bt was based in Ibadan jst like Adepoju and Opabunmi.

U remember what he said when appointed Shooting stars coach for the 2003/2004 season? He said he wanted to build a 3SC team that will comprise only of the Yoruba players. 3SC managed to escape relegation that season and Onigbinde was fired .
Have u noticed he is d last Yoruba to coach d Super Eagles.

Although i still respect that man a lot. U know he laid d foundation for the rise of Gambian football.

joseph1013:

Perhaps you are so intelligent that you missed the flow of the discussion. Perhaps.

It was Icon4s I asked that question after a series of exchange but alas you jumped midway without a good understanding of what has led us there.

But back at you, if he says a particular segment is favored, it does not mean it is borne out of a tribalistic mindset. It takes more than that to proof it. So if you go to a court of law and you show that comment, what if he shows you where he argues for Onazi, what will you say?

Actually, looks like the education deficit in the country is having so much toll on the citizens. Let's start with definitions. Tribalism can be defined as loyalty to a tribe or other social group especially when combined with strong negative feelings for people outside the group. (Merriam Webster dictionary)

So how can one be tribalistically inclined towards Yoruba and still care for the inclusion of Ebuehi? Makes sense?

Make strong cases for your positions without resorting to ad hominems. Is that too much to ask?

OMANBALA1:
Nepotism is different from favouritism.
People need to stop deceiving themselves because we are not fools. Forgiveness is a latent tribalist and WE all know that!

blueto:
From the commentaries from the just concluded game between Chelsea and Everton, I can surmise that V.Moses had an injury free game, thus an report that claims he sustained an unnoticed injury or injury from training will be termed a feigned injury to me.

Kog45:
My man wetin i tell u yesterday, this issue of tribal w scattered this thread.Next time if u cannot have healthy arguments with someone don't quote, just move on.Did u know some people don't quote themselves and is not something good for this thread,we are all brothers here and main objective is d success of Super Eagles irrespective of player involved.Hope u remember that there was no single Yoruba in fanny Amu team to Japan93(icons4 if i make mistake pls correct)but who care,when they won U17 world cup,nobody care

forgiveness:


And how do one describe the godfather of latent tribalism who is in the moniker of OMANBALA 1?

You no even hide am, it shows with that MONIKER of yours. Aze-okwe!

Please, list the 'WE' in your 'we all know that' before I agree you're not part of the divide. Thanks

joseph1013:

Perhaps you are so intelligent that you missed the flow of the discussion. Perhaps.

It was Icon4s I asked that question after a series of exchange but alas you jumped midway without a good understanding of what has led us there.

But back at you, if he says a particular segment is favored, it does not mean it is borne out of a tribalistic mindset. It takes more than that to proof it. So if you go to a court of law and you show that comment, what if he shows you where he argues for Onazi, what will you say?

Actually, looks like the education deficit in the country is having so much toll on the citizens. Let's start with definitions. Tribalism can be defined as loyalty to a tribe or other social group especially when combined with strong negative feelings for people outside the group. (Merriam Webster dictionary)

So how can one be tribalistically inclined towards Yoruba and still care for the inclusion of Ebuehi? Makes sense?

Make strong cases for your positions without resorting to ad hominems. Is that too much to ask?

TheGoodJoe:
Your reaction when someone tells you AWONIYI is better than IHEANACHO.

forgiveness:



Do you want to know where and who brought the @bolded to the subconsciousness of this forum?

Look below.

Na dere I begin observe his words. Before then and even now, I care less who or where the coach comes from so far decorum and distinction are used as the yardsticks for picking players.




I said it clearly that I am only addressing those who believe Onazi, Simon Moses and Ahmed Musa were called based on past glory theory and that I wanted Iheanacho, Iwobi or Onyekuru to be dropped. Simple.

But I am surprised how people here reacted and are still reacting on top nothing.

Nevertheless, I asked you to provide me with facts on why Onyekuru is better than Simon Moses but until date no tangible fact.

Kog45:
My man wetin i tell u yesterday, this issue of tribal w scattered this thread.Next time if u cannot have healthy arguments with someone don't quote, just move on.Did u know some people don't quote themselves and is not something good for this thread,we are all brothers here and main objective is d success of Super Eagles irrespective of player involved.Hope u remember that there was no single Yoruba in fanny Amu team to Japan93(icons4 if i make mistake pls correct)but who care,when they won U17 world cup,nobody care

Mickael2:


Onyekuru scored more than Moses Simon this past season and this season neither of them has registered any goal but at least Onyekuru has created an assist from one if his rebound strikes, please tell me how Onyekuru is not better

Mickael2:


I can see basic knowledge is not so basic for you anyways so let me make it simpler so you can digest.

If Onazi plays, who gets benched? Ndidi, what a surprise. you do understand that the guy has always been against Igbo guys, Onazi is not an Igbo, for him the common denominator is that Igbo guys should be gone.

ok so we started saying that Onazi, Musa and Moses should no longer be in the team, guess the three guys he brought into the conversation as less than worthy folks....no prizes here again, Onyekuru, Iwobi and Nacho. please o, how many games has Leon Balogun played this season? so how come he didnt call his name too? another surprise.

you obviously do not know how to make inferences so I will just have to pardon you, now read what I just typed slowly and tell me that isn't tribalism