TheGoodJoe:


Players break into the National team even during tourneys. Emmanuel Amunike comes to mind. Talk less of qualifiers. We need the best players in every role. Any system to make sure we are fielding the best is accepted and find by me.

Relying on experience is wearing a blindfold to the truth.

Icon4s:

Hope you know the history between Alampasu and Nwokolo?

Icon4s:


Please highlight how Emmanuel Amuneke comes to mind here.

TheGoodJoe:


Amunike was not an experienced Super Eagles player when Westerhof played him against the Ivorians.

TheGoodJoe:


I do not want history. Come to camp and out perform. If you can not, swerve.

Icon4s:


Which Ivorians? Amuneke did not play that match.

The only match Amuneke played was the final against Zambia.

Amuneke joined the team in 1993 en-route qualification for that AFCON. You think he jst broke into the Team at that AFCON?

Amuneke played U23 in 1991 and then moved to Zamalek of Egypt. His game level at that time was good enough for the national team. Just like comparing him with Etebo of today.

And pls lets not divert the topic of discuss; it is on goal keepers.
Selection criteria for goal keepers are way different from those of out-field players.

A young talented forward for instance finds it a lot easier to fit into a team than a young talented goal keeper.

TheGoodJoe:


Amunike was not an experienced Super Eagles player in 1994. Saying he broke into the team does not make him an experienced Super Eagles player. He was not, as you put it, the regulars.

Icon4s:


How do you define Experience? In ur own context.

Icon4s:


Which Ivorians? Amuneke did not play that match.

The only match Amuneke played was the final against Zambia.

Amuneke joined the team in 1993 en-route qualification for that AFCON. You think he jst broke into the Team at that AFCON?

Amuneke played U23 in 1991 and then moved to Zamalek of Egypt. His game level at that time was good enough for the national team. Just like comparing him with Etebo of today.

And pls lets not divert the topic of discuss; it is on goal keepers.
Selection criteria for goal keepers are way different from those of out-field players.

A young talented forward for instance finds it a lot easier to fit into a team than a young talented goal keeper.

TheGoodJoe:


I do not know about Emma. However, as for Alampasu, I have no doubt he is ready. All he needs is the chance.

If Courtois and De Gea were ready by the time they were 18, why not Alampasu.

It is up to Alloy Agu to show faith in the young man.

TheGoodJoe:


Amunike was not an experienced Super Eagles player when Westerhof played him against the Ivorians.

TheGoodJoe:


Experience in my own context is having a long history in the team. A player with a two years or less experience is not an experienced player.

I do not see Iheanacho, Iwobi and Ekong as experienced Super Eagles players. Omeruo? Now that is an experienced Super Eagles player.

Amunike before that game, was not in the experienced bracket.

tbaba1234:


Amunike first game was a 6:0 Thumping of Ethiopia in 1993.

At the nations cup, he only started the final.

tbaba1234:


Where was Courtois and de geaat 18? Where is Alampasu?

Can we wait for him to play top flight football first ?

Icon4s:


Which Ivorians? Amuneke did not play that match.

The only match Amuneke played was the final against Zambia.

Amuneke joined the team in 1993 en-route qualification for that AFCON. You think he jst broke into the Team at that AFCON?

Amuneke played U23 in 1991 and then moved to Zamalek of Egypt. His game level at that time was good enough for the national team. Just like comparing him with Etebo of today.

And pls lets not divert the topic of discuss; it is on goal keepers.
Selection criteria for goal keepers are way different from those of out-field players.

A young talented forward for instance finds it a lot easier to fit into a team than a young talented goal keeper.

Icon4s:


Experience in my own context goes beyond national team level. It also covers club exposure.

Based on your definition of two or less years it means some1 like Carl Ikeme is in-experienced. It seemly means we have not been seeing "experience" from the same angle.

Experience by any simple definition means continuous exposure over a period of time. Two key words there stand out: "exposure" and "time".

Taking Amuneke's case. He started playing for Concord FC in 1990 and Julius Berger in 1991 both Professional league sides. He represented Nigeria at the 1991 AAG (U23) and moved to Zamalek same year. He was invited to the Super Eagles in 1993, that AFCON you mentioned was in 1994 when he was even 24yrs old. With the level of exposure Amuneke had gotten during that period you cannot say he is green horn in football.

Omeruo joined Chelsea in 2012 and was loaned out to ADO Den Haag same year. He started playing professional football ever since. Also he joined the Super Eagles in 2013. We can also say he is relatively more experienced player than most of his age-grade in the Super Eagles because of the long (time) exposure a both club and national level.

If we get someone like Brian Idowu who started his professional career with FC Amkar Perm in 2010 how would u classify him? An experienced player or a green horn?

But I can comfortable classify Tyrone Ebuehi as a relatively inexperience player or a green horn.

In the case of Iwobi and Iheanacho, recall I highlighted two key words in the definition of experience: "EXPOSURE" and "TIME". These two have gotten so much exposure even within a short period of time. Just like also the case of Neymer.
Iwobi and Iheanacho have played and even scored in the UEFA champions league. This is a situation where a player or players have acquired first class exposure over a short period of time.

I never saw Odion Ighalo as a player that could solve our goals scoring problem because he never had a first class exposure even though he has been playing for quite some time. Recall I also mentioned here that Ighalo does not have the kind of experience to become Nigeria's next goals king. Apart from the exposure aspect, talent-wise he is not up there.

Iheanacho and Alampasu played U17 together do you think Alampasu is as experienced as Iheanacho in the game? Has Alampasu kept for a Team in the Champions league? Has he faced Barcelona, Chelsea, Manu or Arsenal strikers? He is even playing for a 3rd division Portuguese league side.

And as I always tell you, selection of out-field players especially forwards is way different from selecting a goal keeper especially for a win or burst game.

Icon4s:


TheGoodJoe thought Amuneke broke into the team during the 1994 AFCON.

Icon4s:


Experience in my own context goes beyond national team level. It also covers club exposure.

Based on your definition of two or less years it means some1 like Carl Ikeme is in-experienced. It seemly means we have not been seeing "experience" from the same angle.

Experience by any simple definition means continuous exposure over a period of time. Two key words there stand out: "exposure" and "time".

Taking Amuneke's case. He started playing for Concord FC in 1990 and Julius Berger in 1991 both Professional league sides. He represented Nigeria at the 1991 AAG (U23) and moved to Zamalek same year. He was invited to the Super Eagles in 1993, that AFCON you mentioned was in 1994 when he was even 24yrs old. With the level of exposure Amuneke had gotten during that period you cannot say he is green horn in football.

Omeruo joined Chelsea in 2012 and was loaned out to ADO Den Haag same year. He started playing professional football ever since. Also he joined the Super Eagles in 2013. We can also say he is relatively more experienced player than most of his age-grade in the Super Eagles because of the long (time) exposure a both club and national level.

If we get someone like Brian Idowu who started his professional career with FC Amkar Perm in 2010 how would u classify him? An experienced player or a green horn?

But I can comfortable classify Tyrone Ebuehi as a relatively inexperience player or a green horn.

In the case of Iwobi and Iheanacho, recall I highlighted two key words in the definition of experience: "EXPOSURE" and "TIME". These two have gotten so much exposure even within a short period of time. Just like also the case of Neymer.
Iwobi and Iheanacho have played and even scored in the UEFA champions league. This is a situation where a player or players have acquired first class exposure over a short period of time.

I never saw Odion Ighalo as a player that could solve our goals scoring problem because he never had a first class exposure even though he has been playing for quite some time. Recall I also mentioned here that Ighalo does not have the kind of experience to become Nigeria's next goals king. Apart from the exposure aspect, talent-wise he is not up there.

Iheanacho and Alampasu played U17 together do you think Alampasu is as experienced as Iheanacho in the game? Has Alampasu kept for a Team in the Champions league? Has he faced Barcelona, Chelsea, Manu or Arsenal strikers? He is even playing for a 3rd division Portuguese league side.

And as I always tell you, selection of out-field players especially forwards is way different from selecting a goal keeper especially for a win or burst game.

tbaba1234:


Amunike first game was a 6:0 Thumping of Ethiopia in 1993.

At the nations cup, he only started the final.

tbaba1234:


Where was Courtois and de gea at 18? Where is Alampasu?

Can we wait for him to play top flight football first?

TheGoodJoe:


Courtois and De Gea were doing well at 18 because coaches believed in their abilities and gave them a chance.

However, if for instance, Alampasu is the Super Eagles no. 1 goalie, clubs and coaches will have the motivation to try him.

It is about the platform to show what you can do. That is why I will support searching for the best. Courtois, De Gea, Cassilas got to where they reached at their young ages because of someone not looking at their ages but their abilities. We need to develop that culture of giving our best players the right push at a young age.

The clubs can not do this easily for us.

safarigirl:
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zicky:
Mr Joe, its not done that way, club have to believe in a player first before country Courtois and Degea had to play top flight football(not div 3) for more than two yrs before their various country start to consider them for reserve(not even 1st choice)

TheGoodJoe:


So he was not an experienced Super Eagles player. Thanks for the info. Do you know the month the game was played and did Emmanuel Amunike start the game?

Okay. I remember that match. My memory is not clear. Is that the match Yekini scored a long range free kick?

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