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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:14am On Jul 29, 2020
Add to those Michael Olise

komekn:


Being in a top league does not automatically make you a top player. You can be anonymous and almost a spectator.

I would rather have the most outstanding consistent players in the Championship than a players in a moi moi team in La Liga who has done nothing and will do nothing.

Eze, Tega and Ovie are outstanding players in thier league.

You could add Iorfa and Adarabioyo to that list in the context of defence. And on the wing we have Osayi coming in to stake a claim.

Finally, Scottish Premiership league may have a low rating. however the club Rangers has a much much higher rating than Huesca in European club ratings.

If you have the time look at the players and value of Sunderland and Hulls players and compare to Huesca and you will see gap that will suprise. And these are essential league one clubs now.



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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:14am On Jul 29, 2020
benji93:
Yes a bad season negates previous good seasons(not fully). It gives one a reason to rethink the opinion that you are the real deal.

That's not the case with Managers more so with players.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:15am On Jul 29, 2020
benji93:
Yes a bad season negates previous good seasons(not fully). It gives one a reason to rethink the opinion that you are the real deal.

Football is up and down but the quality is the sum total. Not cherry picking a season to critique.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Edopesin: 12:16am On Jul 29, 2020
TheGoodJoe:


Parking the bus is more of strategy than tactics. That is where you guys miss it.

It is accepting the opponent's superiority and looking for an alternative to win against a better opponent.

Those two words tactics and strategy can literally be used interchangeably

Atletico against Liverpool was not accepting that the latter were superior, Simeone tactics were Crystal clear in the first leg, They let Liverpool have the ball and pressed until they lost it and they hit on the counter

Liverpool were clearly going to be the better side but Simeones tactics paid off
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:17am On Jul 29, 2020
Edopesin:


Unintelligent ramblings, you could have just ignored

Who deh follow craze man fight him sef deh craze.

People with vitriolic rancourous rhetoric should have one response TOTAL SILENCE.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:18am On Jul 29, 2020
I’m judging Kalu by his NT performances. Granted the just concluded season was not one of his best.
jihday:
Comot Kalu, take Moses to the left and bring in Chuks finish
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 12:19am On Jul 29, 2020
It's difficult to consistently win with a defensive pattern too. In all your wisdom you seem to think one is more difficult than the other. Bullshit. grin. To everyone his own. Different coaches think differently and are guided differently by pdifferent philosophies. The ultimate goal is to win and do it consistently, picking up trophies along the journey. If you do that by parking the bus so be it.
TheGoodJoe:


When Simeone tried to play an offensive brand of football, he got River Plate, the Barcelona of Argentine football relegated.

It is difficult to coach in an offensive pattern.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 12:20am On Jul 29, 2020
charlesemeka85:
u forgot to add azubike

Lol

E be like say nwakali agents dey this thread

Azubuike is playing football at least

He should have included musa yahaya grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 12:22am On Jul 29, 2020
Blueelf:


The same Kalu people used to rate here as a better crosser of the ball than Simon Moses?

lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 12:23am On Jul 29, 2020
TheGoodJoe:


I have made the point very clear. You are just rjnning in circles.

Point and kill
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 12:23am On Jul 29, 2020
Semantics. Semantics. Semantics. Is that a strategy or tactic? grin it's incredible how some try to come off as very knowledgeable, such that trivial matters such as the difference between Tactics and Strategy are blown out of proportion. grin
Edopesin:


Those two words tactics and strategy can literally be used interchangeably

Atletico against Liverpool was not accepting that the latter were superior, Simeone tactics were Crystal clear in the first leg, They let Liverpool have the ball and pressed until they lost it and they hit on the counter

Liverpool were clearly going to be the better side but Simeones tactics paid off

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 12:25am On Jul 29, 2020
komekn:


We are talking strikers not wingers.

And my point is very clear look at the pedigree of Aubmeyang over the past 4/5 seasons played in the Bundesliga.

He has NEVER been able to replicate that goal tally of 31 goals in the EPL.

Timo Werner is not better than Aubmeyang and why do you think he will come and become the numero 1 in Chelsea and dominate in the EPL


He is not better than auba no doubt but he is prolific as auba in the bundesliga

You are just trying to make a case for tammy and nothing else

Timo is better than almost all top strikers in the epl apart from people like Vardy Kane aguero auba and some few others i forget to mention

I rate the epl more than the bundesliga but you dont need to look down on others league most times

Should i remind you that martial is now doing well in the epl than he did in the french league
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 12:26am On Jul 29, 2020
What! What is your argument? That a bad season doesn't make the audience doubt your abilities? I am not understanding you. It's in the process you find out what share of the blame you deserve.
komekn:


That's not the case with Managers more so with players.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:27am On Jul 29, 2020
peterd53:



Edin dzeko
Son heug
Vincent kompany
Michael ballack
Sane
Pulisic
Berbatorv
Hamman
Gundogan
Roscisky
Lehman

Do u still need more?

You should look comprehend then respond.

The pertinent qualifying diction used is STRIKER and REPLICATE goal tally.

How many of them are strikers❓

Dzeko has never been able to replicate his goal tally in the Bundesliga when he played for Man City in the EPL. Son is debatable because he has been in the EPL for five season so you cannot really day he has come from the Bundesliga. The only exception is Pulisic.

So we need more to disprove my assertion.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:29am On Jul 29, 2020
benji93:
It's difficult to consistently win with a defensive pattern too. In all your wisdom you seem to think one is more difficult than the other. Bullshit. grin. To everyone his own. Different coaches think differently and are guided differently by pdifferent philosophies. The ultimate goal is to win and do it consistently, picking up trophies along the journey. If you do that by parking the bus so be it.

Most weak sides resort to parking the bus against top sides because it is easier to do
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Edopesin: 12:32am On Jul 29, 2020
benji93:
Semantics. Semantics. Semantics. Is that a strategy or tactic? grin it's incredible how some try to come off as very knowledgeable, such that trivial matters such as the difference between Tactics and Strategy are blown out of proportion. grin

Lols TheGoodJoe is very knowledgeable though he goofed up here
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:33am On Jul 29, 2020
Edopesin:


Those two words tactics and strategy can literally be used interchangeably

Atletico against Liverpool was not accepting that the latter were superior, Simeone tactics were Crystal clear in the first leg, They let Liverpool have the ball and pressed until they lost it and they hit on the counter

Liverpool were clearly going to be the better side but Simeones tactics paid off

Not true. Simeone knows if he goes toe-to-toe with Liverpool they would have smoked him to blazes. So he resorted to park bus.

Strategy - is the bulk of the plan.

Tactics - actions to carry out the plan.

Park bus - general plan to keep all or most players behind the ball. Little tactical actions to carry out the strategy.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:34am On Jul 29, 2020
benji93:
What! What is your argument? That a bad season doesn't make the audience doubt your abilities? I am not understanding you. It's in the process you find out what share of the blame you deserve.

Managers are given more leeway.

So for instance a manager may fail on one club but all the variables will be taken into account.

And the manager given more of the benefit of doubt.

Which a player will not get.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 12:36am On Jul 29, 2020
Cherrypicking? You were good over the previous two season but your performance began taking a decline this season. The first thing that comes to mind is you have become less useful relative to others. It's as simple as that. We may eventually arrive at a conclusion that, it wasn't entirely your fault /your team was relatively worse e.t.c, but the opinion that you are probably not as good relative to others is almost a Null hypothesis. Man please stop these unnecessary use of words. Some of us here are actual researchers. You seem to think the people at theo ther end are dunces.
TheGoodJoe:


Football is up and down but the quality is the sum total. Not cherry picking a season to critique.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:36am On Jul 29, 2020
andrewbaba44:


He is not better than auba no doubt but he is prolific as auba in the bundesliga

You are just trying to make a case for tammy and nothing else

Timo is better than almost all top strikers in the epl apart from people like Vardy Kane aguero auba and some few others i forget to mention

I rate the epl more than the bundesliga but you dont need to look down on others league most times

Should i remind you that martial is now doing well in the epl than he did in the french league

I disagree he was made in the EPL but cam from the French league, it's been how many seasons of learning and development? ❓

I am just stating facts that's why all these look up to the EPL. You should stop looking up to the EPL lol.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 12:37am On Jul 29, 2020
komekn:


I disagree he was made in the EPL but cam from the French league, it's been how many seasons of learning and development? ❓

I am just stating facts that's why all these look up to the EPL. You should stop looking up to the EPL lol.

Lol so martial was bought from the french league and made in the epl?

Comedian
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:38am On Jul 29, 2020
Edopesin:


Lols TheGoodJoe is very knowledgeable though he goofed up here

Why?

Strategy - offensive is not tactics.

A coach can have an offensive strategy to win which will require using more of his players in an offensive way.

Tactics - you will need the creative midfielders to keep the ball in tight areas, while the full backs pull up to Create numbers, with connecting passes between the forward dropping deep to Create passing lanes to ease passes for the running full backs.

A park bus is a strategy with little tactical actions compared to the offensive strategy.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:39am On Jul 29, 2020
Joebie:
Add to those Michael Olise


Agreed.

Them plenty oh across the English football academies, on the verge of breaking into the first team.

For some reason not too many striker have come out to show face.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:40am On Jul 29, 2020
benji93:
Cherrypicking? You were good over the previous two season but your performance began taking a decline this season. The first thing that comes to mind is you have become less useful relative to others. It's as simple as that. We may eventually arrive at a conclusion that, it wasn't entirely your fault /your team was relatively worse e.t.c, but the opinion that you are probably not as good relative to others is almost a Null hypothesis. Man please stop these unnecessary use of words. Some of us here are actual researchers. You seem to think the people at theo ther end are dunces.

And I am what, actual non-researcher.

The point is simple, against tough opponents, Mou will park bus but Rodgers with a side promoted from the championship outplayed a superior opponent.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 12:41am On Jul 29, 2020
IDENNAA:


Is Ighalo still a super eagles player ?

At times trolling dey make some people forget their sense
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:42am On Jul 29, 2020
andrewbaba44:


Lol so martial was bought from the french league and made in the epl?

Comedian

How many years in the EPL ❓ he was a mere teenager when he came 5 years ago to Manchester United , with a big price.

That's the context in which l say he was made in the EPL.

A bit like Thierry Henry when he cam to Arsenal.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by IDENNAA(m): 12:45am On Jul 29, 2020
andrewbaba44:


At times trolling dey make some people forget their sense

Decorum , sir. Remember what I told you earlier.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Edopesin: 12:45am On Jul 29, 2020
TheGoodJoe:


Not true. Simeone knows if he goes toe-to-toe with Liverpool they would have smoked him to blazes. So he resorted to park bus.

Strategy - is the bulk of the plan.

Tactics - actions to carry out the plan.

Park bus - general plan to keep all or most players behind the ball. Little tactical actions to carry out the strategy.

When you say toe to toe do you mean playing the same attacking football because that wouldn't have ended well so decided to play on the close spaces and go on the counter and that is a good strategy and if there has to be a difference between the two words, Simeone played his tactics well

It's just like looking for the differences between a stock and a share

Park bus is giving the opponents little room to operate and exploiting exposed spaces when opponents lose the ball, this is a plan/strategy in itself
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 12:46am On Jul 29, 2020
komekn:


How many years in the EPL ❓ he was a mere teenager when he came 5 years ago to Manchester United , with a big price.

That's the context in which l say he was made in the EPL.

A bit like Thierry Henry when he cam to Arsenal.

Silly excuses

If to say martial never dey play well you for no allow us here word with epl this and that

Say something else abeg
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by IDENNAA(m): 12:46am On Jul 29, 2020
komekn:


How many years in the EPL ❓ he was a mere teenager when he came 5 years ago to Manchester United , with a big price.

That's the context in which l say he was made in the EPL.

A bit like Thierry Henry when he cam to Arsenal.


You could have said Martial became big not "made"
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by DABIGATRAN(m): 12:47am On Jul 29, 2020
[quote author=DABIGATRAN post=92217463][/quote][quote author=andrewbaba44 post=92217069]

Lol

E be like say nwakali agents dey this thread

Azubuike is playing football at least

He should have included musa yahaya grin[/quote
I think most people want Nwakali to succeed not based on some sort of bias but based expressly on patriotism. Since 1985, there has been this attachment Nigerians have developed for the U-17 team with the accompanying desire to see all its products succeed by playing key roles in the senior team.
There are some set skills lacking in the Super Eagles: corner kicks, free kicks can win games and Nwakali has them. But first he needs to focus and get his career up and running and the rest would be history.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 12:47am On Jul 29, 2020
IDENNAA:


Decorum , sir. Remember what I told you earlier.

remembrance

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