Edopesin:


When you say toe to toe do you mean playing the same attacking football because that wouldn't have ended well so decided to play on the close spaces and go on the counter and that is a good strategy and if there has to be a difference between the two words, Simeone played his tactics well

It's just like looking for the differences between a stock and a share

Park bus is giving the opponents little room to operate and exploiting exposed spaces when opponents lose the ball, this is a plan/strategy in itself

TheGoodJoe:


Not true. Simeone knows if he goes toe-to-toe with Liverpool they would have smoked him to blazes. So he resorted to park bus.

Strategy - is the bulk of the plan.

Tactics - actions to carry out the plan.

Park bus - general plan to keep all or most players behind the ball. Little tactical actions to carry out the strategy.

benji93:
What Nonsense. . Why would i go toe to toe with you when i can't match your talent offensively? You tell me you would like to use a spoon and i tell you i'll use my hand. What's your problem with that? You seem to think an offensive setup is of higher quality than a defensive setup, and that's ok. I'll take that subjectively. I won't even bother arguing about the difference between strategy and tactics cos they can be used interchangeably. The main difference is while one is geared towards along term goal, the other is geared towards a more temporary goal. So your strategy may not necessarily be well-defined. You may even adopt tactics initially unplanned as an adaptation to the changing play of your opponent.

komekn:


Managers are given more leeway.

So for instance a manager may fail on one club but all the variables will be taken into account.

And the manager given more of the benefit of doubt.

Which a player will not get.

TheGoodJoe:


Why?

Strategy - offensive is not tactics.

A coach can have an offensive strategy to win which will require using more of his players in an offensive way.

Tactics - you will need the creative midfielders to keep the ball in tight areas, while the full backs pull up to Create numbers, with connecting passes between the forward dropping deep to Create passing lanes to ease passes for the running full backs.

A park bus is a strategy with little tactical actions compared to the offensive strategy.

benji93:
What Nonsense. . Why would i go toe to toe with you when i can't match your talent offensively? You tell me you would like to use a spoon and i tell you i'll use my hand. What's your problem with that? You seem to think an offensive setup is of higher quality than a defensive setup, and that's ok. I'll take that subjectively. I won't even bother arguing about the difference between strategy and tactics cos they can be used interchangeably. The main difference is while one is geared towards along term goal, the other is geared towards a more temporary goal. So your strategy may not necessarily be well-defined. You may even adopt tactics initially unplanned as an adaptation to the changing play of your opponent.

TheGoodJoe:


I have broken down tactics and strategy. They can not be used interchangeably. They are two different things.

It is easier to tell your players to sit back. During fa cups, you see the weaker sides doing the same thing to cause upsets. Does not mean they are tactically better or superior.

It is not match talent offensively, it is that the other side is better and the coach decides to go on the negative.

Edopesin:


Liverpool don't have a creative midfield, they only have players there to occupy the position but they still are an attacking team because the rest of the team is creative

Even though park the bus strategy has little tactical actions, not every coach is good at it because it requires other important details that the coach must consider

Norwich started the season with this strategy but soon went into Oblivion, West Ham on the hand use both strategies well and are lethal on their days

benji93:
Good luck with your warped sense of view on the subject. . What does negative even mean? I kicked your ass, you tell me i was negative. Your strategy against mine. Well if you are that good find a way to negate my negative strategy by being overly positive. . I am tempted to ask you where you schooled at man.

andrewbaba44:


Lol he wanted simeone to go toe to toe with liverpool so they will loose the game home and away, he thinks simeone is clueless as rodgers

TheGoodJoe:


Because Simeone knows he is tactically weaker. There is no other way than to sit back in number and hope for chance to win the game.

Why? Because, Klopp pass him.

Against a better manager and coached team, Simeone will accept the superiority and resort to win by parking bus.

All those leave no room to operate is just sugar coating the same approach Worthington FC will give Liverpool. Stay back in number.

Edopesin:


Liverpool don't have a creative midfield, they only have players there to occupy the position but they still are an attacking team because the rest of the team is creative

Even though park the bus strategy has little tactical actions, not every coach is good at it because it requires other important details that the coach must consider

Norwich started the season with this strategy but soon went into Oblivion, West Ham on the hand use both strategies well and are lethal on their days

Edopesin:


Klopp has better players not that he was a better manager or anything

If he was better tactically, he wouldn't have lost home and away to Atletico

TheGoodJoe:


Most of the top teams today from all leagues are offensive - possessive sides. So a park bus team is built for oblivion in the long run.

TheGoodJoe:


Calling my sense warped does not give your point credibility.

The top teams in England are offensive sides. So I wonder whose a** got kicked in the long run.

Edopesin:


I don't think Atletico have missed out of the top 4 in the past 5 years

benji93:
I was referring to liverpool getting their ass kicked in the champions league mate, not you per se

komekn:


Agreed.

Them plenty oh across the English football academies, on the verge of breaking into the first team.

For some reason not too many striker have come out to show face.

TheGoodJoe:


I was referring to all the tops sides in almost all leagues in Europe dominating.

You want to use some few games to put above total dominance?

benji93:
Let me tell you something mate, a defensive style can be broken down. No team can maintain solid layers of firewall for the entire duration of a game. The layers develop faults, lapses in recovery e.t.c. If you are positive enough. apply enough positive strategy to nullify the negative.

benji93:
I am specifically referring to that fixture. Klopp knew Simeone would play that way. He's been doing that for a long time. In all his wisdom couldn't he come up with a counter strategy? He came up short. It's as simple enough. His tactics abi na strategy was supplanted. Perhaps he learnt his lessons and can come back stronger.

TheGoodJoe:


They keep parking bus on a long run. I stopped watching their games when I slept off during one of their matches.

Reminded me of those boring films that you watch and in the end someone draws a gun and shoots.

TheGoodJoe:


He can win the game but in the long run, Klopp will keep building a far formidable side.

andrewbaba44:


Lol he wanted simeone to go toe to toe with liverpool so they will loose the game home and away, he thinks simeone is clueless as rodgers

sheyishemba:


I watched the match thrice Ndidi wasn't in direct contention with Coutihno coz coutihno played on the flanks that day even the richarlison that was in direct contention he didnt really resist him ...lemme blow your mind Ndidi was average that night .

sheyishemba:


make we end am like this but it my opinion sha

TheGoodJoe:


People like you forget Rodgers did an amazing job with Swansea.

TheGoodJoe:


Insults do not give you credence.

ChrisKels:


No point keeping online malice man, even if we don't agree most of the time.

By the way, sorry about the abuses