Tayo-D:

Your Eldorado is rubbished by the reality that is revealed in the article I posted above.  Not only are you denied needed medicine becuase of cost, the cost of providing healthcare has doubled in Britain too in the past 10 years.  Was that caused by the American Cartels too?  

Aging population, higher prices of drugs (no thanks to privatisation of the drug industry in Yankee) are the cause of all these.

Tayo-D:

All your fear mongering about cartels is just that: fear mongering.  If anyone could offer the same services for much less, they will do so and put those guys out of business for good.  If economics dictates that those services can be replicated for half the price offered by existing providers, someone will be a billionaire overnight to do just that.

Start-up costs prohibit competition in medical industry. Health companies are not cartels? Tell that to their lobbyists. We receive Health Insurance (from these same companies) at a far cheaper price in Britain. If that is not evidence of cartel behaviour, then tell me what is? Thank God that we have a viable competitor called the NHS who is able to break the cartellish behaviour of these coys by providing real competition.

Tayo-D:

Prices have gone up in Britain as much as in the US, so of what good is the govt other than telling poor people their lives are not worth $60,000?

Prices have gone up. . . . maybe so. . . . but if the price of my cup of garri goes up from N1 to N2 and yours goes from N10 to N20, I dont think you should be worrying about my ability to feed myself!  

As for the unfortunate gentleman who wants to prolong his life by one-year on some drug, and charge the Govt $60,000, that is an inane argument. Perhaps we should also keep everyone on life-machines to prolong their life. . . . should we allow them to stay on the machine for 3 years at a cost of £10 million like our friend Ariel Sharon. . . . is that dude dead yet . . . . the mans disease is incurable. . . he should accept his fate  . . . . .All Governments and All Insurance companies decide what they can cover and what not to cover. As long as the Government foregoes the isolated and expensive cases to do with prolonging life in order to address the massive demand of the rest of the populace (whose diseases are curable), thats fine by me. . . . our friend here should seek Private Insurance if he wants to prolong his life by a year. . . . others are seeking right to die at Dignitas, he is seeking right to live  

@tayo
u say if i dont like my healthcare service i can change to another provider in a private market. u know why i dont blame u? u make the common mistake of people who are not in the health care field. to think that healthcare is another usual good/service that is operated by demand and supply. no it is not.

what do you understand by--if i dont like my healthcare-- how will someone know his healthcare coverage is bad? price?no. it's when u really need their service that u know if they are bad, i.e when u are really sick. then u realise they are not what u thought they are. . . .and then in that sick condition u want to change healthcare? and the other guy will take u in and provide healthcare coverage? these people dont like to cover sick people. they wont take people with pre-medical conditions. when they pay someone's healthcare they call it ''medical losses'' losses? doing what u were paid do to.

tayo, i'm really in deep pains. i will be in the US after my studies in the UK and i know i'm covered in the UK, i'm deeply worried. universal healthcare is not free. it is paid for. if u dont like it u have options but it covers everybody.

i am really sad. i wont be affected. make no mistake. i've been in the UK for 5yrs approximately, i've never had to see a doctor or nurse. and by God's grace i wont be ill soon. and i'll be very rich by the time i reach 40yrs. God willing i'm divinely covered but i'm still worried b/c i'm in the health profession and i know what i saw in nigeria when poor people cant pay for health care. . . it was one of the reasons i decide to do public health in europe--- to find ways of disease prevention.

sighs . . God bless America

@Davidylan,

What a phony this guy is. The aim of CIGNA is to provide "greatest service" at minimal cost? No their aim is to GENERATE PROFIT FOR SHAREHOLDERS, if they do so by providing minimal service then the better. Why do you think the elderly are all on medicare? Its cheaper and the insurance companies wont take them anyway!

The same reason why Car insurance is more expensive for Teens. It is only common sense that health insurance for the elderly will be more expensive than for younger people because they receive more care. See, insurance is given based on a measure of risk. That is what the market dictates. The premium on my life insurance was determined based on my health, smoking status, lifestyle and a number of other factors. We expect those common sense application in other areas but think they should be ignored for healthcare?

You say you have a healthy family . . . thank God for your life. If you had a child born with congenital problems and you couldnt secure health insurance for him on the basis of pre-existing conditions you wont be defending Ed Hanway and his gang.

That is not true. My healthcare covers my kids from the moment they were born. That was a risk taken by the insurance company and they would have been hooked if my kids had health issues.

The birth of our first child was a difficult one. My wife was in the hospital for about 3 days before we eventually had a C-section. Guess what our final bill was? Try $30,000. Eventually, all I paid out of pocket was less than $2,000. For the five years I have been in the Unted States, I don't think I have paid up to $30,000 to my insurance company. So what is all this story about insurance companies coming to get you?

@Ibime,

Aging population, higher prices of drugs (no thanks to privatisation of the drug industry in Yankee) are the cause of all these.

See my argument above about old people and insurance.  Funny that the Yankee health system that you so loathe is the same one producing the drugs you need there.  Do you have an idea how much goes into research to produce one drug?

Start-up costs prohibit competition in medical industry. Health companies are not cartels? Tell that to their lobbyists. We receive Health Insurance (from these same companies) at a far cheaper price in Britain. If that is not evidence of cartel behaviour, then tell me what is? Thank God that we have a viable competitor called the NHS who is able to break the cartellish behaviour of these coys by providing real competition.

It's obvious your NHS is subject to the same problems you call out in the evil insurance companies. The bottom line is money, right?  The diffenrence is that while the "evil" insurance companies have to depend on its investors to raise money for business, your NHS will literally squeeze the money it needs fom increasingly unwilling citizens through taxation.  The "evil" insurance companies provide a ROI to the investors, what does the NHS provide you in return?

Prices have gone up. . . . maybe so. . . . but if the price of my cup of garri goes up from N1 to N2 and yours goes from N10 to N20, I dont think you should be worrying about my ability to feed myself!

See this wayo man! The NHS costs have gone up tenfold and not doubled as you suggests here.  Insurance premium in the US on the other hand, have only doubled in the last decade.  Good try.

As for the unfortunate gentleman who wants to prolong his life by one-year on some drug, and charge the Govt $60,000, that is an inane argument. Perhaps we should also keep everyone on life-machines to prolong their life. . . . should we allow them to stay on the machine for 3 years at a cost of £10 million like our friend Ariel Sharon. . . . is that dude dead yet . . . . the mans disease is incurable. . . he should accept his fate . . . . .All Governments and All Insurance companies decide what they can cover and what not to cover. As long as the Government foregoes the isolated and expensive cases to do with prolonging life in order to address the massive demand of the rest of the populace (whose diseases are curable), thats fine by me. . . . our friend here should seek Private Insurance if he wants to prolong his life by a year. . . . others are seeking right to die at Dignitas, he is seeking right to live

Question! Would it have made a difference if it was not $60,000 but $6,000? How about $600? $60? $6? What of $0.6? Want to put a value on his life?

@pres-elect,

You've been threatening us with your impending move to the US for a long time. When are you going to make the move now? Are you waintig for the Obama recesiion to recede first or what?

Working in the healthcare industry is good for you. That is one of the areas that are still selling even during the Obama recession. No surprise 'cos 80% of Americans are still insured despite the hell you guys are painting about the healthcare system.

Tayo-D:

@pres-elect,

You've been threatening us with your impending move to the US for a long time.  When are you going to make the move now? Are you waintig for the Obama recesiion to recede first or what?

Working in the healthcare industry is good for you.  That is one of the areas that are still selling even during the Obama recession. No surprise 'cos 80% of Americans are still insured despite the hell you guys are painting about the healthcare system.

typical illogical Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh retort. Yes 80% of Americans are "insured" but:

1. How many of them can actually afford that healthcare when they do need it? Can you afford to take care of a child with leukemia even with your good job and health insurance?

2. How many are actually comfortable with the high premiums they have to pay to maintain such price gouging insurance?

3. How many are "insured" but are praying hard not to ever fall sick (like me)?

4. and what about those who have lost their jobs and have to go uninsured? Do you people spare a thought for others around you or its only about "so long as me and my family are ok"?

5. If this 80% are so happy with their health insurance then why are they clamouring for some form of health care reform? why arent the elderly rushing off medicare to get on with these comfortable 80%?

"Parents should lay up for their children". In this case, we have children laying up for their parents. It's not just right on many levels.

Tayo,

Parents want to sacrifice for their kids. . .government has intruded and usurped parental rights on domestic authority. Parents have lost the battle and many have surrendered that responsibility to the state or the federal govt. Though it is not connected to your concern, it is nonetheless a collateral outcome and shares roots back to congressional overstretch. Who is writing the laws?

Which is the overwhelming power these big corporations wield over citizenry not only within but outside of the US and how it is essential to create equality in the face of such greed and individualistic gluttony seeing that these self created "monsters" do not have overwhelming influence over life and death situations.

If i have to delegate this authority to the government, then I am willing to do so in this instance ( talking about health care).

Morpheus,

I am not sure a government run healthcare in US is a better option to the private system currently in place. I say this for many reasons but of immediate note, I do not believe that designating any more power to congress will change the culture in Washington.  The constitution already divested to them the power to regulate commerce and generate revenue (tax); in practice the check and balances in the system makes it imperative that congress regulate market monopolies. . .whatever sector such monopoly might exist. . .and in fact they do have laws in place for anti-trust practice.  The problems we face with private healthcare system is linked with corruption in congress. If this proposed government healthcare reform is that great as is promoted, then have the congressional members be the first to enroll in it.  I hope you know that private healthcare is highly subsidized by government already and that private enterprises only carry a small burden of the balance.

I need to ask the question one more time. . .who is writing our laws, is it congress or is it corporate enterprise?  Look at the mess with FDA already. If government runs healthcare then who will oversee compliance of the pharmaceutical companies?  Please don't say FDA!  How will a corrupt agency that is very incompetent in managing drug production and supplies in a private economy be relied on to oversee proliferation of prescription drugs signed by doctors on government payroll?

People are claiming that its a good idea because citizens are offered choice between government plan and the private plan.  True, product offerings fom multiple suppliers is good for competitive commerce and innovation but certain social institutions are best left out of competition between the government and private enterprise. I will give an example with education.

Many states issue permits and licences to private enterprises to run headstart schools. These private headstarts are funded through taxpayers dollars. The operators turn around and charge parents for enrollment and attendance.  It is becoming commonplace for these headstarts to expand operationsto accomodate curricullum from pre-K  to 2nd or 3rd grade.  This is a perfect example of conflict of interest between a government funded entity in direct competition wth government run public school.

Tayo-D:

The birth of our first child was a difficult one. My wife was in the hospital for about 3 days before we eventually had a C-section. Guess what our final bill was? Try $30,000. Eventually, all I paid out of pocket was less than $2,000. For the five years I have been in the Unted States, I don't think I have paid up to $30,000 to my insurance company. So what is all this story about insurance companies coming to get you?

Look at this guy celebrating mediocrity. . . . C-section cost you $2,000?. . . . hehehehe. . . . you should be in Europe where you get that shit for free. . . .

You've paid $30,000 in Insurance . . . . . hehehehe. . . . . how long you don dey Yankee?. . . . .$30,000 would cover a lifetime of Insurance in the UK. . . . if you paid $30,000, how much did your company pay in addition, lets check the true value to which the Insurance coys are ripping you off over there in Yankee. . . .

Tayo-D:

Question! Would it have made a difference if it was not $60,000 but $6,000? How about $600? $60? $6? What of $0.6? Want to put a value on his life?

The insurance companies who refuse to cover him at this stage with his pre-existing condition have already put a value on his life. . . . at this stage, his life is priceless. . . . literally!

I know it is natural to compare the cost of healthcare in US and UK or Canada. The comparison is not taking into account the various indices of economic performance and demography between the two. While the cost is lower in UK for instance. . .how long does it take to set up appointment and see a doctor? What is the average front office wait time? How about after care and follow up? How about disability coverage?

Negro_Ntns:

While the cost is lower in UK for instance. . .how long does it take to set up appointment and see a doctor? What is the average front office wait time? How about after care and follow up? How about disability coverage?

On private insurance, you will do all these just as quick as you would in Yankee, and you dont have to pay $30,000 for it unlike our friend Taye-Diggs

On public health, you would go on a waiting list for minor surgery. For appointments for minor ailments, you would go within a couple of days. If it is an Emergency, you can see a practicioner IMMEDIATELY!

@Ibime,

You sabi read? I didnn't pay $30,000. The bill from the Hospital was $30,000. I paid less than $2,000 out of pocket. The "evil" insurance company paid the balance. How greedy of them. They should have paid the entire $30,000 while even paying me for patronising them.

Abeg, I get work to do this morning before heading home. Can't let you guys distract me from making some "evil" profits before I go home today.

Tayo-D,

You must suffering from amnesia. . . whats this. . .

Tayo-D:

The birth of our first child was a difficult one. My wife was in the hospital for about 3 days before we eventually had a C-section. Guess what our final bill was? Try $30,000. Eventually, all I paid out of pocket was less than $2,000. For the five years I have been in the Unted States, I don't think I have paid up to $30,000 to my insurance company. So what is all this story about insurance companies coming to get you?

In only 5 years, you have paid circa $30,000 in health insurance. . . . ol' boy, you better embrace Obamas plan with gratitude, you ungrateful braggat! 

Gee its going to take me a few days to catch up on all the posts. But anyways a NH man posted this on a local newspaper website:

“I hope NH is better than letting this guy off the hook. Let Obama know what ‘Live Free or Die’ means (hint: it isn’t reckless TAXING and SPENDING). Otherwise, Portsmouth will just be another glorified photo-op for the Socialist-in-Chief."

  The next day he got a call from the Secret Service about his "comments" and implored him to use "caution" in future postings. So based on the new speech climate, I just want to put up this disclaimer so there's no misunderstanding:

I will no longer use honest, straightforward language in my discussions/criticisms of the current "Healthcare or is it now Health insurance Reform Bill at the risk of being "snitched on" and "turned in" and "reported" to the white house for "fishy" comments by the thought police or obamabots.
I doubt David or Ibime will turn me in, but I'm not so sure about Pres-elect   

JeSoul:

I doubt David or Ibime will turn me in

You cant be so sure. . . Im collating your personal details right now

Ibime:

You cant be so sure. . . Im collating your personal details right now

  Aight, aight . . . *brings out the checkbook* . . . how much is this going to cost me? 

@JeSoul,

I don't blame you for being careful.  Not only has Obama asked for the information of people who disagree with him to be forwarded to the WH, his Union supporters have started attacking Americans who genuinely express their opposition to his plan.  I have always known that the liberals do not stand for freedom, but the extent they are now going to suppress dissent is getting scary.  But we wont back down.  No. Now is not the time.

Check out the following link: http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/08/interview-with-kenneth-gladney-man-assaulted-by-union-thugs-at-town-hall/

Kenneth was attacked on the evening of August 6, 2009 at Rep. Russ Carnahan’s town hall meeting in South St. Louis County. I was at the town hall meeting as well and witnessed the events leading up to the attack of Kenneth. Kenneth was approached by an SEIU representative as Kenneth was handing out “Don’t Tread on Me” flags to other conservatives. The SEIU representative demanded to know why a black man was handing out these flags. The SEIU member used a racial slur against Kenneth, then punched him in the face. Kenneth fell to the ground. Another SEIU member yelled racial epithets at Kenneth as he kicked him in the head and back. Kenneth was also brutally attacked by one other male SEIU member and an unidentified woman. The three men were clearly SEIU members, as they were wearing T-shirts with the SEIU logo.

Kenneth was beaten badly. One assailant fled on foot; three others were arrested. Kenneth was admitted to St. John’s Mercy Medical Center emergency room, where he was treated for his numerous injuries. Kenneth was merely expressing his freedom of speech by handing out the flags. In fact, he merely asked people as they exited the town hall meeting whether they would like a flag. He in no way provoked any argument or altercation, as evidenced by the fact that three assailants were arrested.

Tayo-D:

Check out the following link: http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/08/interview-with-kenneth-gladney-man-assaulted-by-union-thugs-at-town-hall/

Kenneth was attacked on the evening of August 6, 2009 at Rep. Russ Carnahan’s town hall meeting in South St. Louis County. I was at the town hall meeting as well and witnessed the events leading up to the attack of Kenneth. Kenneth was approached by an SEIU representative as Kenneth was handing out “Don’t Tread on Me” flags to other conservatives. The SEIU representative demanded to know why a black man was handing out these flags. The SEIU member used a racial slur against Kenneth, then punched him in the face. Kenneth fell to the ground. Another SEIU member yelled racial epithets at Kenneth as he kicked him in the head and back. Kenneth was also brutally attacked by one other male SEIU member and an unidentified woman. The three men were clearly SEIU members, as they were wearing T-shirts with the SEIU logo.

Kenneth was beaten badly. One assailant fled on foot; three others were arrested. Kenneth was admitted to St. John’s Mercy Medical Center emergency room, where he was treated for his numerous injuries. Kenneth was merely expressing his freedom of speech by handing out the flags. In fact, he merely asked people as they exited the town hall meeting whether they would like a flag. He in no way provoked any argument or altercation, as evidenced by the fact that three assailants were arrested.

Im happy they beat this dude black and blue. . . . this should be the new approach to dealing with deviants such as this confused nigga!

@Ibime,

Im happy they beat this dude black and blue. . . . this should be the new approach to dealing with deviants such as this confused nigga!

Why am I not surprised by your reaction?! I must give you props for this though, you were being honest with your feelings.

Hey Sarah Palin just called this bill "eeevul"!

JeSoul:



I doubt David or Ibime will turn me in, but I'm not so sure about Pres-elect

i dont bite. study my posts, they are usually firm and pushful but polite as well. in the unlikely event i berate someone, i dont waste a second in apologising if the person points it out.

ask tayo

as for the healthcare debate . . . i'm out

and i enjoyed that kiss there . . . it's been a while . .

@pres-elect,

and i enjoyed that kiss there . . . it's been a while . .

It's been a while ke?! I thought you aint getting none at all.

as for the healthcare debate . . . i'm out

Of course naa. It's time to bail out when liberals are beginning to show their true colour through violence. Goog timing.

When are you coming to the US sef? Decided which of the States? The Mayo Clinic here in MN is still one of the best in the world (for now at least). Better come learn some things there before Obamacare kills the place finally.

i was thinking of virginia or maryland.
oh, is that mayo clinic in minnesota? wow, it is very popular in medical circles. i knew about it even from nigeria. wow, but i hear minnesota is so damn cold. almost like canada. is it true?

well tayo u know i abhor violence regardless of who is doing it. and violence is not part of the debate. this goes to show that all the town hall brouhaha may not really be about healthcare at all. as for the real healthcare debate . . . i'm out

Tayo-D:

@pres-elect,
It's been a while ke?! I thought you aint getting none at all.

well, if u live in london and u go out now and then, there is really no how u wont get some stray kisses time and again . . . . . .but they are usually alcohol induced kisses from 20 yr olds . . . the one jesoul dropped there was very warm . . . i loved it

@pres-elect,

i was thinking of virginia or maryland.

Good for you. A lot of Naijas are in those States. Weather is relatively mild there as well.

oh, is that mayo clinic in minnesota? wow, it is very popular in medical circles. i knew about it even from nigeria. wow, but i hear minnesota is so damn cold. almost like canada. is it true?

Yep. The famous Mayo Clinic is in Rochester, MN. I believe that is the Saudi King's Hospital. He comes there regularly for his check-ups and co. God knows that he needs it with his ever growing Harem. Yep, Mn is very cooooooooooold. And with the average temperature going about 5 degrees below normal, it is one of the several States attesting to Al Gore's global warming lies.

well tayo u know i abhor violence regardless of who is doing it. and violence is not part of the debate. this goes to show that all the town hall brouhaha may not really be about healthcare at all. as for the real healthcare debate . . . i'm out

It is the Democrats and the leftist who are getting violent. They want to stiffle dissent at all cost. There is nothing democratic about the leftist Democratic Party.

well i think it is the mobsters who invade town halls with intentional and unitensional ignorance to obstruct debate that are leading to the violence. i just watched a guy on tv who came with protest signs and was holding a gun by the side of his pants. he is calm though, just holding his gun and has a sign saying something about watering his freedom . . . . with a gun . . . . in a healthcare debate townhall . . .

another person came with a bible

madam sarah preaches about death panel

some preach the fear of obama

we're really having some debate there

@tayo

the last thing i would want to do in my life would be to live a a city colder than south england. i was looking at minnesota in the web today . . . tayo una de try o o o . . . . hoha the place dey like fridge

i love the midwest, it is cool and easy going, but i guess what i really love is midwest without cold areas

@pres-elect,

I've always known that you were biased, but to blame the violence at the Town Halls to a person who was out there peacefully handing out souvenirs and not the Democrat thugs who beat him up is absurd at best. You are obviously too jaundiced to see reason.

Tayo-D:

@topic,

What happened to my last post?

I ate it.

@tayo,
i'm really baffled by how u argue these days.

first of all, you so easily resort to name calling. just this little disagreement now u have already branded me jaundiced. i also noticed you calling someone ayatollah olodo in another thread i was reading. but just know that nobody can lay claim to a monopoly of incivility.

who did you say beat up the guy with the gun? i told u i saw a guy with a gun protesting healthcare in obama's new hamshire townhall. i had told u the people who beat somebody are touts, same with the mobs who would drown debates and wont let congressmen/women talk in townhalls.

another came with a bible. in a healthcare debate. sarah palin, your hero/heroine, creating panic with a death panel. people talking about abortion fraud, etc . . . is this how to debate health care. i just watched senator mckaaskill(spelling?) of missouri, it was just a disruption.

this is a woman who took the trouble to take online guestions from opponents of the bill and came to answer them face-face. some thugs out there wont let her speak. is this how to debate? is this democracy?

and now you, tayo d, perhaps u have joined the mob, i'm afraid, but the ease with which u resort to name calling, is just appalling.

there is no health care debate

the healthcare debate has been blocked by touts from the right. intentionally. but if the democrats like, let them fail this, they will be in the cold for another 20yrs.

obama should end this stupid bipartisanship he always talks about.

these people opposed medicare in the 60s, LBJ bullied his way into the bill

these people opposed civil rights bill in the 60s, LBJ again bullied his way and signed the bill.

these people are here again . . but there are no LBJs in washington to do the job