Kobojunkie:

Anywho @jesoul, I am not currently following the news here as I got my fill of American politics back some months ago. Decided to just filter the news here and there but I get your point.

I am however concerned about having government run anything, especially Healthcare. I currently work for a government firm myself and I can tell you it is no where as well managed as most corps are. There is still huge waste, even with the recession.

the same bogus nonsense we hear from rightwingers.

the military, police, fire-service, border control . . . are you folks also "concerned" about government running that or when do we contract it out to wallstreet?

What about medicare? Amazing that NONE of the shrieking republican senators are willing to stake their political lives on it and ask to repeal such a horrible socialist government-run healthcare system for 65yrs and above? Even the seniors protesting "socialism" asked that government hands off their medicare . . . what hypocrisy and ignorance.

I dont know but i'm sure not the only one who yawns each time i hear these folks start their false "concern".

Government run healthcare is what the military has . . . i dont see soldiers or veterans asking to be placed on private insurers. Government healthcare is what your lying senators and house reps have, how many of them are rejecting such overt "socialism"?

So what part of "ANYTHING" did you miss there? Ugh!!! Nevermind!!!

David,
  Kobojunkie has said it all. I have given up on "debating/discussing" with you, you don't know how to make a point without denigrating the person you disagree with. And now that we've established you know better and deeper than the rest of us, I wish you well brotha.

Kobojunkie:

Anywho @jesoul, I am not currently following the news here as I got my fill of American politics back some months ago. Decided to just filter the news here and there but I get your point.

 I don't blame you jare. It almost seems like a steady stream of negative news everyday. One is better off watching sportscenter    And this govt 'firm' you're working for    I hope you're building a nice, fat pension for your retirement at 45  

ThiefOfHearts:

US is gay  \

*runs from JeSoul*

Hopefully they hug their guns tight enough and shoot themselves in the face

   Lol . . . I couldn't stop laughing at the guy who brought his assault rifle to the townhall  there are a couple of senators I would like to introduce him and his rifle to 

JeSoul:

David,
  Kobojunkie has said it all. I have given up on "debating/discussing" with you, you don't know how to make a point without denigrating the person you disagree with. And now that we've established you know better and deeper than the rest of us, I wish you well brotha.

No problemo. Too bad people feel denigrated, it wasnt intended but i have no apologies for it. Everyone is free to debate or choose not to. kobojunkie is the last person to tell others how to debate without "denigrating"  others.

Kobojunkie:

So what part of "ANYTHING" did you miss there? Ugh!!! Nevermind!!!

And? what has that got to do with the issue? you said "anything, especially medicare".

Back to JeSoul's comment . . . no i dont know everything which is why i dont post in every thread. But as far as i'm concerned i dont think its asking too much that those who wish to contribute on certain topics have certain basic logical facts on their fingertips.

nigerians by nature dont like being told they are wrong. Too bad.

Its just absurd that those "not following the news in months" wish to be involved in a political debate on healthcare. It doesnt take more than 10 mins to run through the news each day instead of getting your "facts" from rightwing punditry.

David, pls don't get me wrong. You make good points worthy of note but the linguistic carrier with which you deliver your opinion leaves much to be desired. When you storm the thread and use words like 'absurd' 'nonsense' 'bogus' 'rubbish' etc you do not think that is denigrating?
Even if Kobo has been guilty of such in the past, we are all better than that. This is the same problem they have in washington. Discuss the point and not what you think the poster believes or who you think they watch or listen to. I happen to believe the whole death panel thing is untrue and stretched at best. And the end-of-life issue was also misinformation. But you've already come armed with a false assumption I supported or believed in it.

I said Obama did not communicate the bill to the people and he wanted to pass it before August before people even knew what the heck was in it. All kinds of information and misinformation got out and now most americans are against him - and no its not becos of Foxnews. Only now is he trying to do some damage control with the anecdotes and story of his grandma etc . . . the damage has already been done.

davidylan:

nigerians by nature dont like being told they are wrong. Too bad.
Its just absurd that those "not following the news in months" wish to be involved in a political debate on healthcare. It doesnt take more than 10 mins to run through the news each day instead of getting your "facts" from rightwing punditry.

True words!!! Now if you could only, just once READ YOUR own posts sometimes, we might be better off. I made a Statement and BOOM; you concluded it is WRONG. What is wrong in me stating I am concerned about having government run things, considering I now have inside information on how some of these agencies are being managed?

By the way, what is wrong in my stating I am not following the news? Na Ti kpa ti kpa I must follow it for you? See me see craze ooo?? Do you ever sit back and actually read and digest posts as is?  I state I have fears considering I now have inside view on how places are run and you tell me to  get my facts from where you instead of places you, once again, assume I do from( note claiming to have MY PERSON all figured out). What bloody FACTS are you HARPING on about?


Look, instead of continuing to attack MY PERSON instead of focusing on the issue, how about you just ignore me cause I am not really into coming on here to read your miserable twits on here over and over. Allow me post my view while you focus on those who can deal with you.

JeSoul:

David, pls don't get me wrong. You make good points worthy of note but the linguistic carrier with which you deliver your opinion leaves much to be desired. When you storm the thread and use words like 'absurd' 'nonsense' 'bogus' 'rubbish' etc you do not think that is denigrating?
Even if Kobo has been guilty of such in the past, we are all better than that. This is the same problem they have in washington. Discuss the point and not what you think the poster believes or who you think they watch or listen to. I happen to believe the whole death panel thing is untrue and stretched at best. And the end-of-life issue was also misinformation. But you've already come armed with a false assumption I supported or believed in it.

I said Obama did not communicate the bill to the people and he wanted to pass it before August before people even knew what the heck was in it. All kinds of information and misinformation got out and now most americans are against him - and no its not becos of Foxnews. Only now is he trying to do some damage control with the anecdotes and story of his grandma etc . . . the damage has already been done.

1. I understand your first point and i apologise for coming across as rude or arrogant. I'm sorry.

2. Back to topic on your second point - i dont think its true that Obama did not communicate this bill and is just rushing to pass it thru. McCloud actually has an excellent point on this on your july 22 thread on this issue. You shld read it.

Everyone already knows what is in the bill, if not why would insurance companies be spending billions to fight it if they are clueless about its contents. The problem is not Obama, its the fact that those in opposition are merely doing so NOT on the basis of ideology but merely to ruin his presidency and Fox news is a BIG part of the problem. How many of these people in opposition can succintly state why they are against the bill? What is the alternative? That over 400,000 Americans continue to go into bankruptcy each yr over healthcare? That majority of those against govt-run healthcare are themselves on medicare?

Lets be honest here.

Kobojunkie:

True words!!! Now if you could only, just once READ YOUR own posts sometimes, we might be better off. I made a Statement and BOOM; you concluded it is WRONG. What is wrong in me stating I am concerned about having government run things, considering I now have inside information on how some of these agencies are being managed?

By the way, what is wrong in my stating I am not following the news? Na Ti kpa ti kpa I must follow it for you? See me see craze ooo?? Do you ever sit back and actually read and digest posts as is?  I state I have fears considering I now have inside view on how places are run and you tell me to  get my facts from where you instead of places you, once again, assume I do from( note claiming to have MY PERSON all figured out). What bloody FACTS are you HARPING on about?


Look, instead of continuing to attack MY PERSON instead of focusing on the issue, how about you just ignore me cause I am not really into coming on here to read your miserable twits on here over and over. Allow me post my view while you focus on those who can deal with you.

you dont have any fears. you're simply parroting the same talking points we hear on TV every day. Spare me this long tales.

JeSoul:

David, pls don't get me wrong. You make good points worthy of note but the linguistic carrier with which you deliver your opinion leaves much to be desired. When you storm the thread and use words like 'absurd' 'nonsense' 'bogus' 'rubbish' etc you do not think that is denigrating?
Even if Kobo has been guilty of such in the past, we are all better than that. This is the same problem they have in washington. Discuss the point and not what you think the poster believes or who you think they watch or listen to. I happen to believe the whole death panel thing is untrue and stretched at best. And the end-of-life issue was also misinformation. But you've already come armed with a false assumption I supported or believed in it.

I said Obama did not communicate the bill to the people and he wanted to pass it before August before people even knew what the heck was in it. All kinds of information and misinformation got out and now most americans are against him - and no its not becos of Foxnews. Only now is he trying to do some damage control with the anecdotes and story of his grandma etc . . . the damage has already been done.

you make it sound as if these people were all solidly behind him before the healthcare brouhaha. They opposed the stimulus, they say he is born in Kenya, they said no to cap and trade, they said no to pulling out of Iraq, they said no to his supplementary budget, they said no to sotomayor, they've said no to everything so this is not some ideological point of view they are presenting. They are simply saying no.

@JeSoul,

I didn't realise you were in Boston sha. I was there over the weekend (Thursday to Sunday) to help my sister settle in for her studies at the Tufts University.

Do you know any African Stores around Malden area? I just sent some foodstufs to my sister from Minneapolis. We couldn't locate any while I was out there.

I went there think I may give serious thoughts to a kind of job offer in the Boston area, but I came back saying a Capital NO. For whatever reason, I don't like the place.

davidylan:

1. I understand your first point and i apologise for coming across as rude or arrogant. I'm sorry.

  I'm sorry too if I rubbed you the wrong way, you are one of the more knowledgeable people on NL and we can all learn from each other.

2. Back to topic on your second point - i dont think its true that Obama did not communicate this bill and is just rushing to pass it thru. McCloud actually has an excellent point on this on your july 22 thread on this issue. You shld read it.

 I will go find it and comment later.

Everyone already knows what is in the bill, if not why would insurance companies be spending billions to fight it if they are clueless about its contents. The problem is not Obama, its the fact that those in opposition are merely doing so NOT on the basis of ideology but merely to ruin his presidency and Fox news is a BIG part of the problem. How many of these people in opposition can succintly state why they are against the bill? What is the alternative? That over 400,000 Americans continue to go into bankruptcy each yr over healthcare? That majority of those against govt-run healthcare are themselves on medicare?

Lets be honest here.

 You're right the insurance companies stand a LOT to gain if the public option is dumped out of the bill. I'm no fan of the insurance companies so you won't find me sympathizing with them and all that "let capitalism run wild" charade. I want them to be reined in and their days of their lining their pockets while leaving us with ever increasing co-pays over.

But how can you completely say that all those in opposition are doing so because they want him to fail? This is the same America that voted him into presidency isn't it? The same people who loved him in november cannot have suddenly turned around so quickly if not they believe he's going in a direction they don't want.

 I won't insinuate Foxnews doesn't play a role in all this but I think we're giving them way too much credit. Fox is far right, on the other end MSNBC and even ABC/CNN too . . . nobody has been complaining all this while they've been actively pushing the presidents agenda and worshipping his every move. Now suddenly fox is being villified for the very same crimes MSNBC commits? (just that fewer and fewer people are patronizing them now) because it appears they're making an impact now. I'm just saying there needs to be equal condemnation of these media outlets who have picked sides when they're supposed to remain objective.

davidylan:

you make it sound as if these people were all solidly behind him before the healthcare brouhaha. They opposed the stimulus, they say he is born in Kenya, they said no to cap and trade, they said no to pulling out of Iraq, they said no to his supplementary budget, they said no to sotomayor, they've said no to everything so this is not some ideological point of view they are presenting. They are simply saying no.

 hehe the party of "just say no"   sometimes I myself wonder if opponents can ever see anything good in Obama. Even if ideologically you disagree, there must be something good that you can point out or praise him for. But you must admit, this is the same level of venom that was unleashed on Bush from the democrats - tit for tat is the name of the unfortunate game of politics.

davidylan:

you dont have any fears. you're simply parroting the same talking points we hear on TV every day. Spare me this long tales.

Oh so you are the one who watches the right wing pundits but are here to accuse of watching it ( even after I have made it clear, I am out of touch with what is going on out there except that I work DAILY with some of the agencies and have concerns as a result)? Interesting reasoning!!!

Like I said, choose to ignore me cause this ridiculous back and forth with you attacking MY PERSON is really old and ridiculous at this point! I get it, You do not like my views and that is fine by me. I just want to focus on discussing issues and posting MY VIEWS on them.

Tayo-D:

@JeSoul,

I didn't realise you were in Boston sha. I was there over the weekend (Thursday to Sunday) to help my sister settle in for her studies at the Tufts University.

 You missed. I would have treated you both to proper dinner  

Do you know any African Stores around Malden area? I just sent some foodstufs to my sister from Minneapolis. We couldn't locate any while I was out there.

 Out in Malden, nah sorry I don't know any. Most of the african stores are west of boston along with most of the african communities.

I went there think I may give serious thoughts to a kind of job offer in the Boston area, but I came back saying a Capital NO. For whatever reason, I don't like the place.

 Well if you were in Malden 'proper' I wouldn't like it too    Boston metro is cool, I like it, but the surbs get very 'country' once you head outside. Even me self na "country" I dey live and I love it! lol In my experience working in Boston is not for the faint of heart or insecure of color.

JeSoul:

  But how can you completely say that all those in opposition are doing so because they want him to fail? This is the same America that voted him into presidency isn't it? The same people who loved him in november cannot have suddenly turned around so quickly if not they believe he's going in a direction they don't want.

You also forget that over 40m voted for the opposition and that is not a vocal minority. You shld also remember that there were those who voted him because of a tanking economy. If this were 1998 he would have had absolutely no chance.

JeSoul:

 I won't insinuate Foxnews doesn't play a role in all this but I think we're giving them way too much credit. Fox is far right, on the other end MSNBC and even ABC/CNN too . . . nobody has been complaining all this while they've been actively pushing the presidents agenda and worshipping his every move. Now suddenly fox is being villified for the very same crimes MSNBC commits? (just that fewer and fewer people are patronizing them now) because it appears they're making an impact now. I'm just saying there needs to be equal condemnation of these media outlets who have picked sides when they're supposed to remain objective.

To be honest MSNBC too became so much of a pro-Obama mouthpiece that i decided it was better to go without cable TV and simply read the news.

JeSoul:

   hehe the party of "just say no"   sometimes I myself wonder if opponents can ever see anything good in Obama. Even if ideologically you disagree, there must be something good that you can point out or praise him for. But you must admit, this is the same level of venom that was unleashed on Bush from the democrats - tit for tat is the name of the unfortunate game of politics.

I dont think this is the same venom, Bush at least had 6 yrs to ruin the economy and plunge the US into 2 wars BEFORE this level of vilification. Obama is only in 6 months and so far has succeeded in turning around a tanking economy, is ending 1 war and has not raised taxes on anyone and YET we have people showing up with guns to his town halls and folks crying "Death to Michele and her stupid kids"?

If Obama did half the things Bush did God help us.

@JeSoul,

You missed. I would have treated you both to proper dinner

Kai, my loss.  To think all I eat for 4 days was McDonalds and KFC.

Out in Malden, nah sorry I don't know any. Most of the african stores are west of boston along with most of the african communities.

That's one other problem I had with Boston/Malden area as a whole.  The area seems to go to sleep very quickly and important stores are few and far betwen.  On my first night, we had to travel about 30 miles to Stoughton just to find an IKEA store where we could purchase some furniture.  On the second night when we needed some supplies, we had to travel another 40 miles to find a 24 hrs Walmart Store. the roads too aren't user friendly I'd say.

Well if you were in Malden 'proper' I wouldn't like it too    Boston metro is cool, I like it, but the surbs get very 'country' once you head outside. Even me self na "country" I dey live and I love it! lol In my experience working in Boston is not for the faint of heart or insecure of color.

Actually, my sister really likes her apartment (Granada Highlands).  I kinda like it too and the ares seems like a good one.  With a studio going for over $1200 a month, it better be good.

Tayo-D:

@JeSoul,
Kai, my loss. To think all I eat for 4 days was McDonalds and KFC.

Eya lol that must have been rough lol.

That's one other problem I had with Boston/Malden area as a whole. The area seems to go to sleep very quickly and important stores are few and far betwen. On my first night, we had to travel about 30 miles to Stoughton just to find an IKEA store where we could purchase some furniture. On the second night when we needed some supplies, we had to travel another 40 miles to find a 24 hrs Walmart Store. the roads too aren't user friendly I'd say.

Yeah you're right. The immediate suburbs around boston don't have much 'night life' unless you go far west enought to Worcester/Fram.

Actually, my sister really likes her apartment (Granada Highlands). I kinda like it too and the ares seems like a good one. With a studio going for over $1200 a month, it better be good.

$1200? If your sis needs any help with anything, questions? where the nearest naija parties are (even tho I don't attend them lol) etc . . . have her email me @ charissa911@hotmail.com and I'll give her my cell#. I know how tough it can be out here by urself.

davidylan:

You also forget that over 40m voted for the opposition and that is not a vocal minority. You shld also remember that there were those who voted him because of a tanking economy. If this were 1998 he would have had absolutely no chance.

   True a lot of perfect 'coincidental' factors contributed to his victory. It would seem now that a lot of those who even voted for him - such as our very own Osisi - have changed their attitudes towards him once they've seen and in essence not liked his policies.

To be honest MSNBC too became so much of a pro-Obama mouthpiece that i decided it was better to go without cable TV and simply read the news.

  Isn't it so sad how we no longer have true journalistic bodies/entities (save for a few bloggers) who seek to simply bring us the story and let us make up own own minds? They decide and report - this is leading to so much of the misinformation out there.

I dont think this is the same venom, Bush at least had 6 yrs to ruin the economy and plunge the US into 2 wars BEFORE this level of vilification. Obama is only in 6 months and so far has succeeded in turning around a tanking economy, is ending 1 war and has not raised taxes on anyone and YET we have people showing up with guns to his town halls and folks crying "Death to Michele and her stupid kids"?

If Obama did half the things Bush did God help us.

  Yeah I also think its unacceptable to attack his family esp his kids - and that for any politician - well uhm maybe I might allow it on Barney lying Frank but . . .  I suppose those bringing guns to the townhalls were trying to make a statement - while its legal I think its the wrong place to do so and is going a bit far.

  I dunno if we can go so far as to say the economy has turned around . . . we need a couple more months. But yeah I won't deny that those who dislike Obama really dislike him. You have a point its been only half a yr . . . seems like so much longer.

@JeSoul,

Eya lol that must have been rough lol.

Yep. And even though we paid for the IKEA furniture the first night we got to Malden, they did not arive until 2 days later.  I had to make do with the rug for the 2 to 3 hrs sleep I was having each night.

Yeah you're right. The immediate suburbs around boston don't have much 'night life' unless you go far west enought to Worcester/Fram.

I thought this will change when students are back in schol full time. May not sha.

$1200?      If your sis needs any help with anything, questions? where the nearest naija parties are (even tho I don't attend them lol) etc . . . have her email me @ charissa911@hotmail.com and I'll give her my cell#. I know how tough it can be out here by urself.

My Sis like me, is not a party person.  She is very reserved and never minds a cycle of school, home and church.  She'll probably needs to find a Church in the area.

Thanks for the offer.  I'll give her your email address.  What are you doing now in Boston? Working or schooling?

Tayo-D:

@JeSoul,
Yep. And even though we paid for the IKEA furniture the first night we got to Malden, they did not arive until 2 days later.  I had to make do with the rug for the 2 to 3 hrs sleep I was having each night.

    wow . . . next time you should inform your sista jesoul ehn she woulda found you a truck with some able bodied young men to help deliver the furniture same night    I got a good chunk of my furniture from ikea too, love their stuff.

I thought this will change when students are back in schol full time. May not sha.

  Uhm it should get a lil better.

My Sis like me, is not a party person.  She is very reserved and never minds a cycle of school, home and church.  She'll probably needs to find a Church in the area.

Thanks for the offer.  I'll give her your email address.  What are you doing now in Boston? Working or schooling?

  Both. I worked in Boston main for 2yrs, moved a lil west and I'm still here.
As in 'night life' I meant busy and alive and stores open at night - not really "clubs" etc    Many stores/restaurants in my area are 24/7, its very convenient. I do all my partying on saturday nights at our reg bible study which usually lasts till 2-3 am  .

this issue of healthcare is not about what is liberal option or conservative option but what is the moral option. all these opinions-a side effect of freedom of speech and expression- can really be misleading. in every issue in human history there will always be those who are for it or against it.

if the US should want to pass a law that all men should kill themselves at 40yrs of age, believe me, there are those who will support it. dont be shocked. people opposed the US revolution, ending slavery, civil rights, women rights,  medicare, bank of england, even forming the federal govt. all these proposals were opposed by human beings with ''sound'' arguments including facts from the bible.

is it important, from our heart, to help people who cannot afford healthcare?
is it important, from our heart, to stop the insurance guys from denying treatment to people whom they are covering?

is it important, from our heart, to reduce healthcare cost? these are the issues. if the answer to these are yes, then there should be reform. but any reform without a public option will be a political display of the-more-you-look

finally, what is it in healthcare reform that gets special interests fighting hard for almost a century? from teddy roosevelt, to FDR, to Harry Truman, Kennedy,LBJ down to Bill Clinton and Obama. what scares special interests about healthcare.

even the conservative politician from UK has been chided by the conservative party here for running down the NHS.
the british are happy with their NHS, though it aint perfect, and the British are healthier than the Americans.
think

pres-elect:

this issue of healthcare is not about what is liberal option or conservative option but what is the moral option. all these opinions-a side effect of freedom of speech and expression- can really be misleading. in every issue in human history there will always be those who are for it or against it.

well DUH!!!!

pres-elect:

if the US should want to pass a law that all men should kill themselves at 40yrs of age, believe me, there are those who will support it. dont be shocked. people opposed the US revolution, ending slavery, civil rights, women rights,  medicare, bank of england, even forming the federal govt. all these proposals were opposed by human beings with ''sound'' arguments including facts from the bible.

DUH again!!!!

pres-elect:

is it important, from our heart, to help people who cannot afford healthcare?
is it important, from our heart, to stop the insurance guys from denying treatment to people whom they are covering?

HHhmmm  . . . . lol

pres-elect:

is it important, from our heart, to reduce healthcare cost? these are the issues. if the answer to these are yes, then there should be reform. but any reform without a public option will be a political display of the-more-you-look

interesting!!!!

pres-elect:

finally, what is it in healthcare reform that gets special interests fighting hard for almost a century? from teddy roosevelt, to FDR, to Harry Truman, Kennedy,LBJ down to Bill Clinton and Obama. what scares special interests about healthcare.



even the conservative politician from UK has been chided by the conservative party here for running down the NHS.
the british are happy with their NHS, though it aint perfect, and the British are healthier than the Americans.
think

Even though the study that records the british being healthier than Americans is about 3 years old, I am not going to go after that. But I will say it is a point against Universal Health Care in America, from the point of view of an average man.

If Americans are already unhealthy folks, imagine the cost of insuring already UNHEALTHY people? Roflmao!!!   I would want to the plan to at least consider requiring that folks be force to at least adopt a healthy lifestyle before qualifying for health insurance.

@pres-elect,

this issue of healthcare is not about what is liberal option or conservative option but what is the moral option. all these opinions-a side effect of freedom of speech and expression- can really be misleading. in every issue in human history there will always be those who are for it or against it.

So is the govt supposed to be a moral entity or one who ensures that justice is served? You are getting this issue twisted into what it is not.

if the US should want to pass a law that all men should kill themselves at 40yrs of age, believe me, there are those who will support it. dont be shocked. people opposed the US revolution, ending slavery, civil rights, women rights,  medicare, bank of england, even forming the federal govt. all these proposals were opposed by human beings with ''sound'' arguments including facts from the bible.

Let me mention some basic principles in the Bible that these your welfare proposal violates. A parent should lay up for their children and not vice versa. The curent proposal means children will be burdened with what their parents consume.  That is morally wrong.  It is also morally wrong that one person should be deprived of the fruits of his labour to give to another.  The one who sowed and reaped must have the free choice to determine whom he chooses to bless with the fruits of his labour.

is it important, from our heart, to help people who cannot afford healthcare?

Of course it is.  Question is it is right or even necessary to leave the power to the govt? My answer is NO.

is it important, from our heart, to stop the insurance guys from denying treatment to people whom they are covering?

There is a limit to every insurance, whether it is automobile, life, property etc. If you want more coverage you should pay more.  It is only logical.  I don't know why a lot of people have no problem with their car insurers but will villify their health insurer.  

is it important, from our heart, to reduce healthcare cost? these are the issues. if the answer to these are yes, then there should be reform. but any reform without a public option will be a political display of the-more-you-look

There are ways to reduce healthcare cost without giving it over to the govt. Ask your friends in power to start with Tort reform, then remove the limits on inter-state purchase of health insurance. Also tell them to ease restriction on the king of inusrance that can be offered and you will see a great change in the cost.

it's also an illusion to think govt involvement will reduce cost. The NHS cost is ten times more expensive than it was a decade ago.  Compare that to the average American health insurance that has only doubled in the last decade.

finally, what is it in healthcare reform that gets special interests fighting hard for almost a century? from teddy roosevelt, to FDR, to Harry Truman, Kennedy,LBJ down to Bill Clinton and Obama. what scares special interests about healthcare.

Tell me where there is no special interest. Even the people who gave you Medicair did it for political reasons. And as for the intentios of Medicare and Medicaid, please check out what Wilbur Mills told Johnson about the medicare Bill: "I think we've got you something that won't only run on in '66 but we'll run on from here after." http://www.larrydewitt.net/Essays/MedicareDaddy.htm

even the conservative politician from UK has been chided by the conservative party here for running down the NHS.]even the conservative politician from UK has been chided by the conservative party here for running down the NHS.

You wonder why.  Could it be for political reasons?

the british are happy with their NHS, though it aint perfect, and the British are healthier than the Americans.

Americans are also more happy with their Medical situaion than they are with the Govt. So what needs to change is the govt ahead of the health industry.

What are the factors used to determine who was relatively healtheir. If you chomp down McDonlds every day and eat the way Americans do, you will have the same health issues that they have. This has nothing to do with healthcare!

Kobojunkie:

I would want to the plan to at least consider requiring that folks be force to at least adopt a healthy lifestyle before qualifying for health insurance.

if i had the power, i would give you an oscar for this statement alone. it shows a lot of wisdom as well as compassion in one sentence.

tayo, when you guote the bible, i get scared. pastors use this to do a lot of damage, republicans use it to do damage, politicians in nigeria, and even the devil used the bible to do damage . . only christ was too much for him.

the bible is against a reform that will help poorer people abi. ur love for children does not reach those children who may grow without parents b/c their parents died due to lack of healthcare

and ur bible is also against those children who may die b/c their parents are not covered. remember ur child(God bless him/her) needed some medical attention at birth that cost $30,000 which was paid b/c u were covered. some other kids would have died if their parents were not covered . . that is what ur bible teaches abi

could u mail me which version of the bible you read?
never mind, i wont read it anyway

pres-elect:

if i had the power, i would give you an oscar for this statement alone. it shows a lot of wisdom as well as compassion in one sentence.

Lol,  I just want a plan that would at least make sure my money will be well spent in the end. I, like so many out there, in both the white and black community, do not want to have to fund folks who are LAZY and not willing to at least pay taxes. I love my MONEY too,and that has nothing to do with the color of the president's nose.

great. now this is what i call a debate . . . the next issue now will be how to weed out LAZINESS from the table

Weed out Laziness? We here are busy funding laziness on a daily basis with public funds and you think you can WEED out laziness just like that? I just spent the past 3 months developing a module to help this agency put more of your hard earned money in the hands of LAZY folks, taking that portion away from those who really DESERVE it and you think you are about to weed it out now? get real!!!  rolfmao!!

My problem with Government it has, in my opinion, not done enough to ensure plans put in place to rid the sector of waste, at all levels, has worked.

@pres-elect,

tayo, when you guote the bible, i get scared. pastors use this to do a lot of damage, republicans use it to do damage, politicians in nigeria, and even the devil used the bible to do damage . . only christ was too much for him.

the bible is against a reform that will help poorer people abi. ur love for children does not reach those children who may grow without parents b/c their parents died due to lack of healthcare

and ur bible is also against those children who may die b/c their parents are not covered. remember ur child(God bless him/her) needed some medical attention at birth that cost $30,000 which was paid b/c u were covered. some other kids would have died if their parents were not covered . . that is what ur bible teaches abi

could u mail me which version of the bible you read?
never mind, i wont read it anyway

It is obvious you are very emotional about this.  Unfortunately, it is not with emotions that issues are resolved.  They are resolved by critical thinking that is undergirded by basic principles.  I wish you'd show me where I have ignored any biblical injunction.

By the way, can you tell me how many children have been left to die in the US because they could not afford to pay thier medical bills?  Stop playing on people's emotions and try to be objective here.

Thank God for the insurance company (which you have been villifying here). They paid the $30,000 bill that we incurred.  Do you think Obama can give $30,000 to a complete stranger?  I think not.  Go ask his step brothers and aunt if you are not sure!  

Yeah @pres-elect, which america do you live in where you have children denied healthcare cause parents are not covered?

i live in the UK.

if a parent dies b/c of an untreated illness secondary to lack of healthcare coverage, secondary to poverty . . . i guess his children will be in a good position to benefit from the do-nothing policies that tayo is proposing.

i guess there is universal coverage for pregnant women incase of a complication from pregnancy that needs medical attention.

@Pres-elect,

i live in the UK.

if a parent dies b/c of an untreated illness secondary to lack of healthcare coverage, secondary to poverty . . . i guess his children will be in a good position to benefit from the do-nothing policies that tayo is proposing.

i guess there is universal coverage for pregnant women incase of a complication from pregnancy that needs medical attention.

Please stop talking rubbish that you don't know. You just made an allegation which you've been asked to prove. Rather than take the coming out clean approach, you are here making some other allegations and trying to demonise other people.

Please debate if you are here for one. This emotionalism which can be faked by anybody who may not truly empathise with the folks does not score you any poiint in my book.