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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by amtaken(f): 4:43pm On Apr 21, 2016
Of what use is this Buhari to Nigeria please?
If you have any answer let me know. Don't insult.
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by clickwtB(m): 4:43pm On Apr 21, 2016
USELESS BLOOMBERG,IMPEARILIST/ULTRA CAPITALIST MOUTHPIECE!!!WE WONT DE VALUE THE NAIRA,YOUR ADVICE ARE ALWAYS USELESS.NIGERIAN ECONOMY WILL BE HANDLED BY NIGERIANS.
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by abdelmaleeq(m): 4:43pm On Apr 21, 2016
Ipods whre ya at....so fuckin proud of dz mans guts
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by omonnakoda: 4:45pm On Apr 21, 2016
Joel3:
you are wrong. I said it again. you don't know economies. the Chinese operations a fixation economy where they peg yuan against dollars is this means they devalued their currency to encourage their export. that's why many Chinese business prefer to bank on the dollars as it's of their interest.

even when IMF request the Chinese to give their yuan more value against dollars they refuse because they learnt if their yuan value is same as the dollar people will prefer America made then their own.

when a government is operating pegging economy it scare away investors. then true reality the naira has already be devalued in the real market. that is the true fact. what the CBN is doing they are cheating the public
You say it so it must be true? And you are?

We can do


You are wrong no it is you that is wrongYou are wrong no it is you that is wrongYou are wrong no it is you that is wrong You are wrong no it is you that is wrongYou are wrong no it is you that is wrongYou are wrong no it is you that is wrong

till the next election, it does not add any weight to your OPINION. Your opinion is just another irrelevance in the noise of a raucous market

All that talk of scaring investors in nonsense. What good has investors done us all these years.

We need to fix our power situation ,fight corruption and curb our appetite for foreign goods

No investor will change Nigeria. Only Nigerians will. kudos to the likes of Dangote for believing in his country. Shell has been here for 50 years and did not build a single refinery.
No investor is coming to our rescue so let us abandon that fantasy

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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by menxer: 4:46pm On Apr 21, 2016
Madness is said to be when a man does the same thing repeatedly and expects a different result.

Can someone tell us how many times the naira has been devalued between 1985-2015 and the benefits to the economy?

Shebi naira has been devalued from #1/1$ to #197/$, how has it helped our export/economy?

If in the days prior 1985 we were exporting agricultural products in addition to oil we didn't benefit from the devaluation, is it now?

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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by obailala(m): 4:47pm On Apr 21, 2016
OYELLOLO:


Are you not aware that the naira is indirectly devalued with prices of essential commodities skyrocketing by the day. Who and who has access to the official exchange rate being discussed here? Please let's stop deceiving ourselves.
Now this is an interesting observation however I see it from a different perspective. Since we all know the Naira is already devalued 'technically' in the public domain, why are we still calling for devaluation?.... If there are any sure benefits of devaluation, why didn't they ever work in Nigeria since 1986?.... Again if there are any sure benefits of devaluation, why aren't they working now even though we all know the value of the Naira has been devalued in the parallel market?.... Why do these benefits have to wait until an official devaluation before they begin to surface?

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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by MduZA: 4:48pm On Apr 21, 2016
NavierStokes:



Zimbabwe was a progressing society, The original plan of the West was to live side by side with the locals, but that old comedian single handedly based on pride and to the detriment of his country changed all of that. We as followers can cheer them on that we have a man giving it to the west, but at the end of the day who suffers inflation on the streets, Mugabe? or the common zimb, who has to carry trillions to buy bread.lol

True talk..
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by talk2odim: 4:51pm On Apr 21, 2016
AZeD1:

1) The scarcity of the dollar is not caused by the rate so devaluing doesn't solve the scarcity, rather it would push the black market rate up further.
2) We really don't export anything so the idea of our goods being cheaper is economic theory.
3) You need to understand that foreigners that are calling for devaluation are doing it in there own interest not because they like us?

You seem to understand the difference BTW an idealist and a realist. I keep wondering if people truly understand what devaluation entails especially for a country that is largely import dominated!
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by manny4life(m): 4:51pm On Apr 21, 2016
erico2k2:

Loads of stuff.
Rubber
Timber
Beans
Man power
Gas
Oil
Cement
Fuits
Tin
Cassava
Yam
Cachew
Maize
Palm produce
I can go on and on
However cos our govt do t export the above don't mean the citizen's don't. .The greatest export from china is not its produce but MANPOWER

This must be some kind of joke right? Do you export what you're self sufficient at or what you think are just basic products? We have rubber yet we import furniture and other household goods. We're sufficient in timber yet toothpicks is one of the banned products because of the large importation. We're sufficient in fruits but Nigeria is one of the largest importer of fruit juice... Again, is this some kind of joke or are you serious?

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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by jmichlins(m): 4:54pm On Apr 21, 2016
What many fail to understand is that all these foreign donors are business men and women who need customers and will go about scouting for one just like someone in alaba. Once they sight a potential customer, they move in with business proposal and plan and if you refuse they will use the media. As you pointed out why did they not help us plan on saving or invest in our economy when things where okay, they allowed us to sink before offering to help. Greece is an example of what they can do to an economy. Why not invest in real sector of the economy and not the capital market. They are quick to point out their loses in the capital market but we do not hear of the gains
omonnakoda:
Devaluation would make sense if it attracts long term investors.
A simple example a house in Nigeria costing 25 million Naira before the oil shock would have been $150-160000
That same house would now be $75-80000 but these so called investors are not satisfied.Having smelled blood they wish to browbeat the government to submission.
Still they are only interested in investing in the stock market. a pump and dump strategy. We do not need those kind of "investors". Their main concern is a very liquid market in which they an jump ship and take out their money very quickly at the slightest sign of trouble.
we need long term investors that will bring skill transfer and infrastructure development and we have that in the Chinese. We don't need vulture fund "investors"
Our currency was stable under Abacha with oil prices under$20 and zero reserves. That tells me that many of these economic theories are guesswork.They did not stop the 2008 crisis. How come when we were sellin oil over $100 IMF never advised that we strenghten the naira. Even then we were devaluing from the 80:1 we inherited from Abacha
What many fail to understand is that all these foreign donors are business men and women who need customers and will go about scouting for one just like someone in alaba. Once they sight a potential customer, they move in with business proposal and plan and if you refuse they will use the media. As you pointed out why did they not help us plan on saving or invest in our economy when things where okay, they allowed us to sink before offering to help. Greece is an example of what they can do to an economy. Why not invest in real sector of the economy and not the capital market. They are quick to point out their loses in the capital market but we do not hear of the gains
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by Bluffly: 4:55pm On Apr 21, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
I don't know who is advising President Buhari but his insistence on not devaluing the Naira to reflect present reality is one decision he would live to regret. The false sense of value we are giving to the naira is not helping anybody neither is political consideration more important than the economy. The suffering we would experience through devalued naira won't be compared to the hopeless situation we are now. in fact, if the country is pragmatic enough, the devalued naira policy would turn to be a blessing.

The problem is that we have never had a government that took things up holistically. To be fair to devalue will encourage easy way out and to not devalue we make us see why we must start the Nigerian thing. Either way, there are advantages and disadvantages as one is short term and the other long term but yet they can both achieve the same objective if we start the Nigerian thing. Take for instance were the Naira is devalued and investors have access to FX and start importing everything, then as it is in the past there won't be the Nigerian thing, vice versa. Actually, it takes all Nigerians to start doing the right thing right from our homes as a permanent situation or else the black nation will continue to be taking for a ride.

Activities that could support this whole FX issue strongly includes us to start asking our leaders serious questions. If it requires to beat-marshall, let us.
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by jpphilips(m): 4:57pm On Apr 21, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
I don't know who is advising President Buhari but his insistence on not devaluing the Naira to reflect present reality is one decision he would live to regret. The false sense of value we are giving to the naira is not helping anybody neither is political consideration more important than the economy. The suffering we would experience through devalued naira won't be compared to the hopeless situation we are now. in fact, if the country is pragmatic enough, the devalued naira policy would turn to be a blessing.



You can save it for the next PDP government, if at your age you can not list the benefits of devaluing the Nigerian currency
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by adconline(m): 4:57pm On Apr 21, 2016
AZeD1:
Those people who say we should devalue the Naira have never said what the country stands to gain from devaluation.
Aren't prices of goods already pegged to the black value of the dollar?
Who are the beneficiaries of CBN rate of N197/$1? Publish their names every week and what they have imported with the allocation

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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by 9japrof(m): 4:58pm On Apr 21, 2016
jmichlins:
am happy people are getting enlightened about our economy. The day the president devalues our money, he will lose my support. We still have many things to import especially power, machines and man power

I don't support buharis style of leadership Buh I think I support his stance on devaluation. Devaluing wouldn't help matters or make things better than it seems.

from the moment you start receiving bailouts from these stupid European nations, you are doomed forever ask Greece.

my reservation is these "thiefing" politicians
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by darediamond(m): 4:58pm On Apr 21, 2016
Bro, somehow someway, it is even Shameful to be traveling around the world to look for investors. Can't the people in Nigeria be empowered to do Miracles Of Nation Building?

When you have Arrogant Man as a President, will he seek to friendly Neutralize issues that can hinder is country progress?

Fix Power and leave the Rest to Nigerians at all Levels. But No, Aboki will say "I will Kill myself if...."

Abeg, this zoo can not continue this way.

NavierStokes:



Venezuela devalued as at when? When things are already gone awry, Buhari could have devalued much earlier he stubbornly refused.

Jonathan and Okonjo devalued twice in a period of falling oil prices, with Oil price and production below budget benchmark, still there was no noticeable effect in the price of goods in the market, inflation was single digit etc. Buhari refuses to officially devalue and inflation is at double digit, pure water is selling at a price of *** (to be honest i don't know).

The paragraph above tells us that someone isn't doing something right, and someone in the past was managing something right.

Having delayed (like in everything this government does - which to me is based on fear) to devalue, our gains are already reduced, but there are gains all the same as things will begin to move on once again. Whats the point of going out to look for investors, when you haven't swept the house clean, They Like Hitler, will agree to everything but will not even honour those agreements. After all the travels which investor has put any money on ground in Nigeria? I cant remember any, all we hear is we will invest X and Y billion pounds into Nigeria, but nothing on ground.

Thing is all investors, speculators etc including Yours truly, are patiently waiting for the Naira to find a floor, before anything form of investment, can be done.


This is from the article you posted:

"PepsiCo recently started valuing some of its assets in Venezuela at that rate, after being unable to repatriate money at the 6.3 rate for years"

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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by danot1030: 5:01pm On Apr 21, 2016
Agent of propaganda against Buhari administration at work.
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by darediamond(m): 5:01pm On Apr 21, 2016
NDPVF:
Thank goodness you said it yourself that Coys leaves due to various reasons. You can use your google,the massive exit of coys from Nigeria as currently being witnessed,is not unconnected to the unhealthy fiscal and monetary policies of this administration. Earlier today,i read how Iberia Airways has pulled out of the country citing their inability to repartriate their over $500million trapped in Nigeria Banks,courtsey of CBN forex policy. Many other coys both foreign and local are going moribund. Of course,poverty and unemployment has been there,but hey,it's has trippled under[b] Buhari/Adesola[/b] cluelessness,coupled with inflation.

Oga, na when Bubu add that name to hi names (Buhari/Adesola)? grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by AbuMuhammad1: 5:02pm On Apr 21, 2016
People talking about devaluation should take a deep breath and consider the points that were being raised and also vice versa.
1. Will devaluation grow more dollar?
2. Why do this same western economist fight against devaluation of the Chinese yuan, Japanese Yen etc?
3. If the price of oil rises to $60 today, i bet you the value of dollar would crash giving truth to the theory that we just dont have the dollars now, devaluation or no devaluation. but if the price of oil were to go up, where would the devaluation argument be?
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by jpphilips(m): 5:03pm On Apr 21, 2016
AZeD1:

1) The scarcity of the dollar is not caused by the rate so devaluing doesn't solve the scarcity, rather it would push the black market rate up further.
2) We really don't export anything so the idea of our goods being cheaper is economic theory.
3) You need to understand that foreigners that are calling for devaluation are doing it in there own interest not because they like us?

Perhaps, you may deem it a patriotic act to recommend the school you attended to some nut jobs here. I can not imagine the future of this country in the hands of youths so damn ignorant, bros, well done
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by jara: 5:04pm On Apr 21, 2016
May God bless Nigerians. Finally we are waking up. Something taught us a very good lesson and I think it is the story of ASAP that is passed on from father and mother to children. I have read some of the discussion, no different from others. I am so impressed with the intelligence of our young men and women.

We went through the war, through Abacha thumbing his nose and stealing us blind, Naira stood at one to one in pounds and more in dollars. Until Oloriburuku Omoale Babangida did us in. Middle-class lost everything with the stroke of Asiwere IBB signature accepting WB and IMF's SAP which they later apologized for and claimed they regretted. They are back.

These bastards are wicked and mean spirited ready to do in the most powerful Black Nation and rubbish it to the ground. They have helpers within us and we must tolerate them. People ask them over and over, what good devaluation will offer us. Over and over again, they cannot answer. Nigeria have nothing to sell except oil that has tanked. Even when we have anything to sell, they refuse to buy because we are not members of their club. West Indian countries cannot even sell all their bananas which they buy for nothing!

When a country declares its priority and class some machinery, goods and spare parts essential; and then class others like people drink or champagne, nylon bags, pencil, used clothes and gadgets e.c.t as non-essential. Then some bastards in the name of IMF and WB ask you to open your yansh wide open so that they can lend you money to import every non-essential products so that they can sell and create jobs in their country. For God's sake when are we going to learn?

They are right to give advise in their own interest, are we stupid to take foolish advise in our own interest? We went to school with them, most of them are dummies but still get better jobs than us. We beat them in class but their advise to our governments is more important than ours. Africans, what is wrong with us?

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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by shehuolayinka(m): 5:05pm On Apr 21, 2016
Whether we like it or not, the currency has been devalued.
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by AbuMuhammad1: 5:07pm On Apr 21, 2016
And some say the price of goods are already at black market rate. if so then what is the point of devalueing when the prices have adjusted themselves?
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by erico2k2(m): 5:07pm On Apr 21, 2016
Empero1:
I'm always amazed whenever I come here and see never-do-well(s) flexing muscles like economic experts. Someone even went to the extent of boasting about superiority of the west over us just because his wife was opportune to attend a school in the UK where the whites dominated her myopic thoughts. To that fellow, when did your dull.ard of a wife become the standard for good? In fact, I say all of you in support of official devaluation of naira should stuff.

Literally, we're not an exporting nation, and we don't have authority/monopoly to dictate the price of the major item we export (crude oil), therefore it makes not economic sense for us to officially devalue our currency. Should we do so, we stand to attract portfolio investors - which will only give us short term succor but with long term devastating effect, because the target of any portfolio investor is instant benefit and once they make the profit within a twinkle of an eye they would pull off their investment thereby worsening our already deplorable economy.

FG should continue to resist all pressures and speculations from the west and its agents. They're nothing more than manipulators.

You got good points but I also think you where out of order to insult one's wife. I'm very sure yoy ha e better ways of improving your arguments
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by jmichlins(m): 5:08pm On Apr 21, 2016
9japrof:


I don't support buharis style of leadership Buh I think I support his stance on devaluation. Devaluing wouldn't help matters or make things better than it seems.

from the moment you start receiving bailouts from these stupid European nations, you are doomed forever ask Greece.

my reservation is these "thiefing" politicians
yes mate. Have you cared to wonder why these people do not invest in real sectors of the economy like power and infrastructure. They only invest in capital market where they can pull out cash when things go south leaving us to our woes. Am only sad that the politicians are bent on living luxurious life in this hard times. If we all should tighten up and face the situation squarely eliminating corruption then our economic style will be taught at harvard

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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by Nobody: 5:08pm On Apr 21, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
I don't know who is advising President Buhari but his insistence on not devaluing the Naira to reflect present reality is one decision he would live to regret. The false sense of value we are giving to the naira is not helping anybody neither is political consideration more important than the economy. The suffering we would experience through devalued naira won't be compared to the hopeless situation we are now. in fact, if the country is pragmatic enough, the devalued naira policy would turn to be a blessing.


please tell me more, has devaluation ever helped Nigeria? I had rather stick with the president than allow a more devalued naira that will end up benefiting no one but the west. Can you pls tell me one benefit derivable from IBB's devaluation of the naira during his reign?

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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by darediamond(m): 5:09pm On Apr 21, 2016
To all you guys proving your Enomics 101 theories, may I know what basic globally competitive Scientific Product Nigeria is an Exporter of?

Can you tell me one?

You wanna devalue Naira but there is nothing there in the world market that you sell which you can CONTROL IT PRICE AS YOU WISH.

God, which kind thinking be that.

Abeg, go learn from Japaneese jare and get lost.

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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by blackpanda: 5:12pm On Apr 21, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:

The benefit are enormous though not immediate, it outweighs the suffering we are subjected to at present

You have said nothing. Enormous how In what way Kindly list the benefits pls. No point generalizing and speaking in parables

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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by Nobody: 5:13pm On Apr 21, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:

SAP flopped because IBB mismanaged the whole thing for his selfish interest.

Already, businesses are operating on a value of the naira that is over 100% more than the official value. in fact, the naira is technically devaluated due to scarcity of the dollar. What we are saying is for the government to allow the naira to be officially devalued so that businesses can freely operated. This will even boost our export as our goods would be cheaper in the international market, and that would help local economy.


however, it will make import more expensive but we can't depend on import forever
boost which export please? We export 3% and import 97%, so what is there to boost?

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Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by AZeD1(m): 5:13pm On Apr 21, 2016
adconline:

Aren't prices of goods already pegged to the black value of the dollar?
Not 100% correct. Not all goods have increased in price. You also have to factor human greed.
adconline:

Who are the beneficiaries of CBN rate of N197/$1? Publish their names every week and what they have imported with the allocation
Is this directed to me? If yes, i'm sorry i don't work with the CBN and i don't have access to the data you want.
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by Olufemiolaolu(m): 5:13pm On Apr 21, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:

The benefit are enormous though not immediate, it outweighs the suffering we are subjected to at present
Benefit like what economic genius?
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by Marlbron: 5:15pm On Apr 21, 2016
These South Africa clowns Bloomberg are a funny bunch. All they have been writing on Nigeria is for us to devalue. But they are just daft. When Buhari came in Naira was like 155. Today it's been devalued to almost 200 almost 40%. How MUCH have further do they want us to go?

What these boffuns really want is for us to relax exchange controls in a low oil price environment! When the price of oil was high, how much did they invest? The only notable investment was in oil and gas from mostly existing players. They brought in hot money only for pecuniary gains in our stock exchange.

If they really want us to devalue, well ... There is a secondary market that is devalued to @N320.00. If they really want a devalued naira, let them use the secondary market and spare us the drivel.


Since Buhari's China investment pledge, the noise for devaluation has risen a notch. Let's face it, these are tough times all over the world. Ours is made worse by the fact that our economy remains a monoproduct economy after 16,years of Pdp rule. We are a nation of 180m people. These are times we need to look inward and we need our best friends looking out to help us. The West have promised to help with NE rehabilitation, China wants to invest $6b or more in our economy. I will take that instead of a paltry $2b from the IMF with all their conditionalities.


Lastly, folks should learn about the motives for these hacks that are so removed from the action it's unreal. If we had devalued to what they want, by now inflation will have set record levels, the exchange rate would have hit 600.


Let us be, SA hacks.
Re: Nigeria Economics Loses To Politics As Buhari Takes Naira Stand – Bloomberg by erico2k2(m): 5:16pm On Apr 21, 2016
manny4life:


This must be some kind of joke right? Do you export what you're self sufficient at or what you think are just basic products? We have rubber yet we import furniture and other household goods. We're sufficient in timber yet toothpicks is one of the banned products because of the large importation. We're sufficient in fruits but Nigeria is one of the largest importer of fruit juice... Again, is this some kind of joke or are you serious?
You just answered the question yourself.But seriously you think all I listed are not exported? I can give you names of companies that export all them things listed. We as a people need govt to give us flexible economic policies to enable biz men xport more. Ie 5am breaks .reduced energy bills.sign trade agreements etc.open some other ports to export cargo.

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