Tonye-t:

Every act and deeds by Jesus is today meant for our interpretation with the times and seasons we find ourselves.

afiq:

Since we are no longer under the Old Testament Law, we are not required to measure out a tenth of everything we earn and pay it to the Church.
On the other hand, since everything we have comes from God, and since God has supposedly written His Law on our hearts, we should be quite thoroughly generous.

Enigma:

Ephes. 1:18-19
   The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, [19]

Enigma:


1 Cor. 2:9-12
   But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Enigma:

Col. 3:2
   Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

Enigma:

Quote from: Joagbaje
Paul was not a Pastor over a local Church . He would not recieve tithes from them. People give tithes in the local assembly where they recieve the word of God. They had pastors in these local churches that recieves the tithes , The local churches send money and suppot to Paul sometimes.

You are now adding to Scripture

Annunaki:

Mr agbaje what I find people to be arguing about is the wrong teachings of compulsary tithing and not tithing itself per se. You cannot justify twisting scriptures on the excuse you are giving God something he doesn't need.

Joagbaje:
Dont quote me out of context. I quoted the scripture to buttress the fact that you give to receive, the principle of seed sowing generally. But i quoted other scripture about giving to men of God ,Why didnt you coment on those ones.

Joagbaje:
So i await your comments on these  scriptures.

Joagbaje:
Tithing is merely one of the smallest part of our givings. They are all still valid.

Joagbaje:
The law says to worship only one God, has Jesus nulified that ? (1tm 2:5}
The law says honor your parents          has jesus nulified that ?(Eph 6:2)
So if tithing came with the law ,Jesus didnt nulify it but rather encourage us to do it without neglecting justice mercy etc. But tithing didnt orginate under the law The law only amplified it. It is based on principles of honour to God ,our willful worship to him as our source.

Joagbaje:
If you dont give ,Fine  but allow us with our convictions. The testimonies of our lives are enpugh witness

Joagbaje:
Tithing was never an issue in early Church. The issues they had was circumcision and salvation by works instead of by faith. Tithing never brought salvation and was never used as and issue  because it was a an acceptable thing and part of life

Joagbaje:
why is it the giving part either of offering or tithe that is paining you guys.

Joagbaje:
Paul was not a Pastor over a local Church . He would not recieve tithes from them. People give tithes in the local assembly where they recieve the word of God. They had pastors in these local churches that recieves the tithes , The local churches send money and gifts to Paul.

Joagbaje:

Be a honporable and honest man. This is tithe not temple tax. The Temple taxes were strictly for the maintainance of the temple.not for welfare of priest.The only portion the priest have was tithes and offerings of the people.

ogajim:

I pray you both will not be deluded again!

*How i wish i could get the whole day here to field questions from napkin-Xtians safe for my time consuming job*


Dude, I pray you get out of your own DELUSION pretty soon


You have FAILED far too many times in your OWN thread to answer simple questions directed at you and have the nerve to call others deluded for simply challenging your heresy.

Freewill offering is what the Apostles taught, if Jesus Christ meant for them to preach tithe like the thieving pastors preach today, he would have simply selected all of them from the house of Levi. Christ himself preached LOVE ABOVE everything else, show me a passage from the Bible where Jesus Christ said ", when I was broke, you never supported my ministry with tithes, "


You guys ought to be ASHAMED of this highway robbery while ARMED with the Bible scheme.

Goooshhhhh, Ogajim to be candid your posts are getting so dumb by each passing thread here. Ok what do you understand by FREEWILL OFFERINGS that you've been preaching here and there like a suckler.

ogajim:

As the Alaba market guys used to say; How's "business" Agbaje and tonye-tithe? how "market"?


God is no respecter of "GO", "Pastor", "MOG", etc, What stops you all from getting real jobs?

omase ooooooo

Is that what the topic is all about? Ogajim *_{shakes head}*

aletheia:

Good grief, so we can now interpret the bible in a relativistic way according to the times and seasons. Same argument homos.exual bishops make. No wonder you are steeped in error.

Tonye-t:

Every act and deeds by Jesus is today meant for our interpretation with the times and seasons we find ourselves.

aletheia:

Good grief, so we can now interpret the bible in a relativistic way according to the times and seasons. Same argument homos.exual bishops make. No wonder you are steeped in error.

Tonye-t:

Do you even read the bible, maybe i should help you!

2 Tim 3:16 - All Scripture is Given by God and is useful for teaching, rebuking, doctrine and training in righteousness, NIV

afiq:

Since we are no longer under the Old Testament Law, we are not required to measure out a tenth of everything we earn and pay it to the Church.
On the other hand, since everything we have comes from God, and since God has supposedly written His Law on our hearts, we should be quite thoroughly generous.

afiq:

There has never been an obligation for Christian to tithe. It is indeed a noble and praiseworthy thing to do, but it is not an obligation. The practice is rooted in the Old Testament laws. It's not a bad thing by any means, but neither is it a moral imperative.[/b]

afiq:

What the Church does mandate (which is one of the five precepts of the Church) is that we "help to provide for the needs of the Church". The Church does not give a percentage and does not state that such provisions must be monetary.[/b]

True talk, which makes Tithing a giving beyong percentile borders abi? na u talk o because one of the ways the church and its clerics were cartered for was thru' tithing,trailing the days of Abraham AND on the second note, no one has ever said it must be in moentary terms.

afiq:

It is often the case (at least speaking from personal experience) that we can give more than we think we can. But even so, that doesn't mean we all have to give 10%. The Church does need money to operate, but it certainly needs much more than just money.

Tonye-t:

Mr Zikkyy,
I have already done a detail and comprehension on the topic and as such will not be making sumptous post ANYMORE!
Click here if you want more explanation about the topic

Tonye-t:

Every act and deeds by Jesus is today meant for our interpretation with the times and seasons we find ourselves.

Tonye-t:

Kunle,

If you boldly and shamelessly come here to say Paul only taught Timothy and titus about running the church without lessons of making a living for themselves from the same gospel. then i'll say you are all men most hypocrite!

1 Cor 9:
>>> 13 Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar?

>>>14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.
NIV

I wish the day you'll wake up from this self delusion of deceit and rantings and embrace the simple truth in God's word

Joagbaje:

@KunleOshob
Be a honporable and honest man. [b]This is tithe not temple tax. The Temple taxes were strictly for the maintainance of the temple.not for welfare of priest.[/b]The only portion the priest have was tithes and offerings of the people.
[b]
TEMPLE TAX KO, TEMPLE TAX NI

Tonye-t:

True talk, which makes Tithing a giving beyong percentile borders abi? na u talk o because one of the ways the church and its clerics were cartered for was thru' tithing,trailing the days of Abraham AND on the second note, no one has ever said it must be in moentary terms.

Zikkyy:

Oga Tonye-t, which church are you talking about now? or do you mean temple? tithe was not used for church maintenance. Are you saying that Abraham was also paying tithe to a temple? Where you dey buy your bible BTW? We need to examine that your bible so we can confirm if it's an approved/authentic version.

If you be pastor you go suck your congregation dry. Tried to picture you on the pulpit preaching the good false news, the image that keeps recurring in my mind is that of Count Dracula. Am serious.

Zikkyy:

Oga Tonye-t,

[size=18pt]If you be pastor you go suck your congregation dry. Tried to picture you on the pulpit preaching the good false news, the image that keeps recurring in my mind is that of Count Dracula. Am serious.[/size]

Zikkyy you just tickled me  You're very funny! I could stop laffing here. Allah! btw you know i cant do that na? na wa for u o

ogajim:

To say that there are[b] "blessings" attached [/b] to giving 10% to your "Church", "MOG", "Pastor", etc is HERESY and those who ask/beg for it are THIEVES/Wolves in sheep's clothing.

ogajim:

"Prosperity" has nothing to do with MONEY, most of us make enough of that and want other kinds of prosperity which have more VALUE.

KunleOshob:

Preachers like tonye-tithe and agbaje who gleefully twist scriptures have existed since old testament times, read what God has to say about such preachers below and the reason they twist scriptures:

Jeremiah 8:8-10:

8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise because we have the word of the Lord,”
when your preachers have twisted it by writing lies?
9 These wise preachers will fall
into the trap of their own foolishness,
for they have rejected the word of the Lord.
Are they so wise after all?
10 I will give their wives to others
and their farms to strangers.
From the least to the greatest,
their lives are ruled by greed.
Yes, even my prophets and priests are like that.
They are all frauds.