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Re: Paul Christ Vs Jesus Christ by rexben(m): 12:56am On Jun 22, 2016 |
Peritus:According to Paul,his followers are saved by grace not by works (as for me,i am disciple of Jesus,i believe in the words of Jesus only John 8:31-32). He also taught predestination(once saved forever saved). So according to this doctrine,it doesn't matter what you do,you are forever saved. Jesus came to fulfill(perfect,fill-full) the laws. In Israel,there are two sets of laws. The ten commandments and the ceremonial laws. The ceremonial laws were not given by God,it was these laws that Jesus broke not the ten commandments. He fulfilled or perfected the law by tightening it. For example 21 "You have heard that it was said to an older generation, ' Do not murder ,' and 'whoever murders will be subjected to judgment.' 22 But I say to you that anyone who is angry with a brother will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says 'Fool' will be sent to fiery hell. Matt 5:21-22. So,Jesus gave us His perfect commandments and He expects us to obey them if we love Him. His commandments are His words as recorded in the synoptic gospels. The person who does not love me does not obey my words. And the word you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me. John 14:24 If you love me, you will obey my commandments. John 14:15 You are right! We are not under the Israelites laws but under the obedience of Jesus words. Paul's concept of salvation is wrong. Jesus said And you will be hated by everyone because of my name. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. Matt 10:22 According to Jesus,nobody is saved yet,unless you endure to the end. As for mercy,in order to receive mercy,this what you should do. Be merciful. Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Matt 5:7 This is the only way to receive mercy from God,if you are not merciful,you will not be shown mercy. The Pharisees were practising eye service,they are men pleasers like Paul did too. They don't even believe in Jesus(their major problem). 1 Like |
Re: Paul Christ Vs Jesus Christ by rexben(m): 12:57am On Jun 22, 2016 |
Ishilove:Idol in your foundation? If i may ask,are you from Benin? Enjoy this life? Jesus said The one who loves his life destroys it, and the one who hates his life in this world guards it for eternal life. John 12:25. Jesus replied, "I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3 To be born from above is to be born the second time. The second birth (spiritual) cancels out first birth (physical). So,if you are born again,you are born of the Spirit. Your parentages change from YOUR BIOLOGICAL PARENTS TO GOD. YOUR BIOLOGICAL SIBLINGS CHANGE TO GOD'S CHILDREN. You will have powers,foundational idols,ancestral covenants oppressing you only if you are not a child of God. Are you a child of God? If you are a child of God,you will always and gladly obey your Father,you will desire to go back to Him. You damn strangers,and obeys your Father's words only. 1 Like |
Re: Paul Christ Vs Jesus Christ by easterwick(m): 6:59pm On Jul 12, 2016 |
I saw idolatry in religion all pointing to one god which is the devil muslim worship moon christian worship sun is the reason the real day of worship which is Saturday was change to sunday by pagan and the bible stated keep the sabbat day holy the pagan knew jesus say something about hellfire for those who refuse to obey is father so they want to make minister of God who truly have the holy spirit to commit a sin that will lead them to the fire,for christ have warn his people to careful about the theif that will come in sheep cloth but is ravenous and the snare of money so look how our top minister are wealthy,porpouse and enemy hating[ mark of the beast ] |
Re: Paul Christ Vs Jesus Christ by Kobojunkie: 3:41pm On May 03, 2023 |
rexben:1. I wouldn't go as far as to label Paul a false prophet and a false messiah given that Paul is not really to blame for why men chose to build an entire religion around his letters which were instead to communicate his personal views and issues at the time of their writing. Paul was just a man who spread his views and opinions to his fellow Jewish brethren while calling on the Gentiles — the other non-Jewish tribes of Israel who were already in exile courtesy of God's own curse on them — to salvation. 2. Paul's epistles were obviously not meant by him in any way as a replacement for the gospels as they do not contain mention over 98% of that contained in the Gospels. His epistles were merely communications between Paul and people who were already believers and had no need for teaching from him. That the religious establishment of today, Christianity to be exact, choose to build its foundation on the letters of paul stands against the religious and not against Paul. |
Re: Paul Christ Vs Jesus Christ by Kobojunkiee: 8:00pm On May 04, 2023 |
rexben:1. The problem isn't Paul here but what amounts to cognitive dissonance when it comes to a comprehension of Paul's views as stated in his epistles. Paul, rightly, wrote of the two salvations that are obtainable through the person of Jesus Christ: the first salvation from the condemnation of sin aka Death by which we receive Eternal Life(grace), and the second, Salvation from sin which we can only earn by way of righteousness through faith. This is evident for those who are able to comprehend the epistles. Paul never meant his epistles as a replacement for the Gospels but simply as communication of his generally private views with those he was in communication. So, he is not to blame for the religion of Christianity blindly hoisting him up as some sort of Messiah for their cause. 2. Paul is not wrong, as there are two salvations offered by Jesus Christ, the second of which you rightly pointed out there! What is instead wrong are the many interpretations out there produced regularly by religious men whose desires are to steal, kill and destroy using the name of God. |
Re: Paul Christ Vs Jesus Christ by Kobojunkie: 4:44am On May 07, 2023 |
rexben:Interesting! |
Re: Paul Christ Vs Jesus Christ by Kobojunkie: 10:08pm On May 08, 2023 |
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