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Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Nobody: 5:15pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
This ball retention story is what we'll never hear the last of. So it's ok to pay 30 mill for a ball retainer.Why didn't we get Olofinjana instead? We woulda gotten 10 of him for that sum. How many crucial goals does Berbatov score? Can you count on him when the chips are down?Honestly could you? So as it stands,only Rooney alone should shoulder the scoring threat,while Berbasoft dances Atilogwu in the final third? And you expect us to win something at the end of the season. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by MrCrackles(m): 5:20pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
Eastbay:I wonder. . . ."Ball retention abilities has been the only weapon put up to defend a catastrophic signing and justification of a massive transfer fee. . . . Some good questions put up here by Eastbay. . . |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Nobody: 5:21pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1239157/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-demands-Manchester-United-pair-Dimitar-Berbatov-Michael-Owen.html I hope those who say Fergie wants a certain thing from Berbatov in particular have a change of thought,because the key point is SCORING THREAT. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by RuuDie(m): 5:28pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
@ eastbay, & what if we do win something at the end of the season MrCrackles: could be anything ranging from formation to the kind of players he plays with - i can't put my finger on it, i can only speculate! |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by debosky(m): 5:29pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
~Sauron~: This is a matter of semantics - Cantona personified Utd at a time yes or no? Berba will never be such a player. Yet Utd have scored 30 goals this season with no input from Berbatov - he's bought to create chances and has created just TWO and half the season is gone? What an abysmal failure.
Regardless of the number of efforts, the goals counted yes or no? Is someone stopping Berba from shooting? What a ridiculous excuse. Don't be stupid - Rooney will NEVER score 30 goals in a season, never mind 42. . . .You cannot have only one striker with goal scoring responsibility and even Ronaldo's performances were out of character - you RARELY have a single winger producing that weight of goals. Fergie's intent was to spread out that goal threat among his STRIKERS - and that includes Berba, and not sole dependency on a single Portuguese player who was bound to leave. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by debosky(m): 5:32pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
RuuDie: This is a very irrational line of reasoning - so Chelski won something in the year DD blew his top in the UCL. . . . would anyone in his right mind say DD's behaviour was ok simply because Chelski won something? Did Chelski not win something with Sheva on the books? Did that stop him from being an unmitigated disaster at the club? Even in the season Utd won the league, was Tevez not released cos Fergie felt he wasn't as effective as he wanted? |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by RuuDie(m): 5:36pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
Eastbay: you yarn as if Berba doesn't score - i keep saying what does it matter if he doesn't & UTD still keep winning the titles maybe thats why UTD have won the last 3 and are on course to make it 4. . . . y'all spend so much time mounting needless pressure on your own players for nothing! |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by RuuDie(m): 5:40pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
In this age of clipboards and computers, number-crunching and ProZone, there seems to be a growing view that football and footballers can be reduced to a set of statistics, like anonymous data in some gigantic calculation. maybe, just maybe for this reason only SAF is keeping Berba - as long as he hasn't said zilch, then our 30milla is very well spent! |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by RuuDie(m): 6:10pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
debosky: in the same vein, it is equally very irrational for anybody to raise doubts over UTD's title claim becuz of one player not firing on all cylinders! |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by debosky(m): 7:35pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
RuuDie: Who made such a claim? Did I say Utd will lose the title because of Berbatov? I don't understand the need to so passionately and often irrationally defend something. Granted you can defend your club and it's enviable achievements, but you should also be able to rationally look at a particular issue on it's own merit. If you simply came out and said it's irrelevant how well/badly Berba does as long as the title is won, then we would have restricted the responses to Sharon who claims the sulk is doing well. As regards, your post quoted from The Times even that implies that there must be a level of frustration within Fergie when he watches some of Berba's lethargic performances. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Sauron1: 9:25pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
debosky: He never did.
How is it failure? What about assist of the goal assists. Like i have told y'all. . . . .Stats alone does not show Berbatov's contribution. There are tangibles and the intangibles. . . . .
He is selfless. . . . .He is not governed by the number of goals he scores. . . . .He's governed by the number of goals he initiates.
He has eclipsed the total number of league goals he scored throughout last season. If United go all the way in all competitions and Rooney does not cop any injury, he can score 42.
U slept with Fergie to know his intentions? Where did he say i want to spread out the goal threat among my strikers. . . . When you make idiotic opinions, abeg. . . .back it up with links. I have provided links to every single schitzo i have made here. . . . .Tow that line. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Nobody: 9:26pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
More woes for United. Mrs. Van der Sar suffers brain damage. Surely, expect below par performances henceforth from the goalie. My condolences. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Sauron1: 9:29pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
BlueDiva: Obviously, you have been staying out of this planet. Remind me. . . . .When was the last time VDS stood between the posts for Man Utd? Unlike Chelski, there's strength in depth so we won't miss VDS. If i were you, i would worry over the absence of Drogba, Essien, Mikel and Kalou. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Nobody: 9:34pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
~Sauron~: True, i worry about DD and co leaving. Admit it, you guys miss VDS. Just when he should have been returning, misfortune strikes. Kpele. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by jalether(m): 9:47pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
I will play the role of devil's advocate here , Fergie's primary tactic has always been to pass the ball around and never lose possession cheaply to the opposition, Berbatov seems like the appropriate player to fulfill that goal hence [b]part [/b]of the reason why fergie bought him, and so far he has been able to accomplish that purpose however his goal return has been shambolic for a £30 million pounds striker, first and foremost, he is a striker and the job discription of a £30 million striker is to score goals consistently and be relied upon when the going gets tough. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by debosky(m): 10:10pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
~Sauron~: How many asists of goal assists did he make?
http://www.football.co.uk/manchester_united/sir_alex_demands_more_from_united_strike_pair_berbatov_and_owen_rss294361.shtml Rooney scored one goal and created two in the 3-1 win over Hull, taking his season's tally to 14 in all competitions, with Berbatov benefiting to get on the scoresheet himself. But it was only the Bulgarian's fifth of the season while Owen has managed seven. Ferguson said: 'Wayne can step forward and be the main man but there are a few who have to step forward in that respect. We are coming to the time now. The challenge is there. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1129220_fergie_to_change_reds_tactics Fergie expects 60 goals from his strikers - pray tell - does he expect Rooney and Owen to score 25 each and only 10 from Berba when he is higher on the pecking order than Owen? Sir Alex Ferguson expects Dimitar Berbatov and Michael Owen to answer the critics and re-discover their goal scoring form as Manchester United battle to overcome an indifferent start to the new campaign. United fell to a surprise midweek defeat at Burnley, meaning that the opening two matches, against promoted Birmingham and Burnley, had seen them score just one goal. Observers have naturally noted that Cristiano Ronaldo, and his prodigious goal scoring talents, have not been directly replaced by Ferguson this summer and that Owen, whose own career was hardly at its peak following an injury-plagued spell with relegated Newcastle, was the only significant addition to the attacking corps. Bulgarian Berbatov also has much to prove after scoring just nine times in 33 Premier League games last season following his 30.75 million pound transfer from Tottenham. But Ferguson has confirmed that he will not be adding to his current squad in the ten days that remain in the transfer window and that he has faith in Owen and Berbatov finally discovering the kind of form to match their reputations. “Dimitar would like to score a goal, strikers are like that,” said Ferguson. “He is no different from Michael Owen or Wayne Rooney. Strikers always feel as if scoring is the most important thing. “Michael is exactly the same as Dimitar, he could do with a goal. He had two (chances) on Wednesday and should have scored both of them. He knows that. He was unlucky and he will be wanting that goal. “There’s no question about it that his movement and positional play in the last third is very, very good. We are just waiting on that goal that will set him off. I am sure about that.” http://www.soccernews.com/fergie-anticipating-berbatov-and-owen-goal-spree/22585/ If Fergie believes Fergie has been sub par so far, why does Sharon think he knows better? |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Sauron1: 11:20pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
debosky: Trailer loads. . . . Talk about finding the needle in a hay-stack. From this link i was able to bring this out. . . . Ferguson is now opting to use Wayne Rooney as a central striker, rather than playing him out wide, alongside either Michael Owen or Dimitar Berbatov. In this debate. . . . .I have been able to prove Berbatov is NOT lazy and he is NOT United's centre forward. The myth about Berbatov being a lazy player and he is the poacher has been blown to bits. Trust me. . . . The next time you open your mouth with your paraga-influenced opinion, i will shove a cue in it.
He did not say Berbatov has been sub par so far. Ferguson expects everyone to ship in their own share of goals. "Those goals from midfield have dried up a little in recent years, so we have to address that. "I will be looking to (Ji-Sung) Park, Nani, (Luis Antonio) Valencia - even (Danny) Welbeck and (Federico) Macheda - to contribute 40 goals between them. The defenders will contribute a few from set-pieces too." Since Valencia, Park and Nani haven't scored half of the goals Fergie expects them to contribute. . . .Does it also mean they have been sub-par? Did Ferguson factor Berbatov's knee operation before saying he expects his strikers to score 60 goals? Debosky, you are a pile of [i]w[/i]ank. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by A40(m): 11:43pm On Dec 29, 2009 |
Maybe a long term injury to Rooney is what it would take to convince y'all that Berbaslug is shyte. Maybe na im passes and fanciful flicks una go chop when what y'all really need from him are goals!! Has he even scored in 3 or 4 straight games since joining Utd? |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Sauron1: 12:02am On Dec 30, 2009 |
Eastbay: It is the best weapon to hurt your opponent. Barcelona deployed it against us in Rome and we chased the ball for 70 mins. . . .
Man Utd is worth $1.8 billion. . . . .We can afford to splash £30 million on Berba. United are not non-profitable organisations like Arsenal and Chelsea. £30 milla is a drop in the ocean as far as our operating profit is concerned. Don't join the poor to lament over £30 milla.
His goal helped us put Tottenham away in last season's FA Cup tie at OT. What about his massive contribution against Tottenham in the league, Fulham, Newcastle(away) and Sunderland. Can i count on Berba when the chips are down? A resounding YES!!! I can count on him to deliver an intelligent ball to a team-mate to score like he did against CSKA in Moscow. His flick gave Valencia all the time to shoot into the net. There are some assists that make the goal scoring too easy for the scorer. Berbatov provides that week in week out.
Ruud shouldered our scoring threat back in the days. . . . .Did we not win the league with Ruud? If the chances provided to Rooney are easy. . . .He will be very happy and snappy to shoulder the scoring threat. That will also boost Rooney's CV cos he has remained under Ronaldo's shadow for too long. Lemme ask you this question. . . . .United's third goal against Hull ----Whose task was more difficult? Rooney's assist or Berbatov's task of putting it into the net? If Rooney gets that kind of service every game, will he complain about shouldering the scoring threat ALONE? |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Nobody: 8:11am On Dec 30, 2009 |
~Sauron~:Hey man, Barcelona will ALWAYS retain the ball.Did so during Cruyff's time and that philosophy is ingrained in that club. They dominated possession over two legs in the CL semi final 07/08,but could not score.SO i'm not convinced about that argument. ~Sauron~:Yeah,that's probably why Fergie is wary of spending on another dud. Listen 30 million is a lot of quid,be it in pesos,CFAs,or cowrie shells,no matter how rich you are. ~Sauron~:My man,the big test will be when Rooney cops an injury and he is forced to lead the line. As for those games you mentioned,it's just a handful that you can remember. ~Sauron~:How successful were we overall in the league with ruud leading the line? One title in five seasons?Give me a break. Rooney isn't as accomplished as Ruud in the scoring department yet.Are we going to even hope for that kind of success with Rooney? As for your question,the hard work was done by rooney.Even a bat in a cave in daylight would see it. My problem with your Analogy is that Rooney is supposed to be leading the line,as you postulated with the "false 9 theory". |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Nobody: 8:27am On Dec 30, 2009 |
RuuDie: IWinning's in our culture. Winning is what makes us who we are:what separates us from Arsenal and dem. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by dayokanu(m): 8:40am On Dec 30, 2009 |
Berba is worth every penny of the £30 milla we paid for him. Berbetov is one of the most overrated players in Europe. Another David Healy replica |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by RuuDie(m): 9:23am On Dec 30, 2009 |
dayokanu: hold ur horses now, we'll still come back to the issue of Luca Toni & Mario Gomes. . . . . |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by RuuDie(m): 9:25am On Dec 30, 2009 |
debosky: Track-back and read thru. . . i never said you made that statement, someone else did and i was responding to that person. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by RuuDie(m): 9:32am On Dec 30, 2009 |
to debosky, eastbay, a-40, mrcrackles, dayokanu & all the other detractors / even sauron, jalether & other interested party. lets even break this argument down further - we've been constantly yapping expectations, expectations. . . . what are your expectations of a striker who comes with a considerable amount of money on the price tag attached to him |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Nobody: 9:50am On Dec 30, 2009 |
RuuDie:GOALS. Plenty of GOALS.Especially someone with a track record for club and country. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by RuuDie(m): 10:05am On Dec 30, 2009 |
Eastbay: Good. . . . same as me, many a UTD fan and probably even Berba himself. Okay, the man has come but the anticipated goal flood didn't come with him. . . yes, we are disappointed becuz we'd have very much loved that; but on the other hand, the man gives something else, a goal every now and then, and other bright spots we can tap into and utilize. . . so how does that amount to a waste from MUFC's perspective!? |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Nobody: 10:33am On Dec 30, 2009 |
As long as our Berbatov refuses to score in the ton,then any other thing is just like dereliction of duty,i.e. abandoning what you're paid primarily to do. Let Fergie convert him to a midfielder instead,and send him on loan to Holland,where skills abound,so that we don't get reminded of the 30 million fee we paid on his mop-head on a weekly basis. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by RuuDie(m): 11:27am On Dec 30, 2009 |
Eastbay: oh well. . . . close your eyes and cover your eyes whenever you're watching a UTD game cuz you ain't seen the last of him. . . . . . . you can start from tonight! |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by MrCrackles(m): 11:31am On Dec 30, 2009 |
RuuDie:Detractors? He's gotta start a lot more games. . . . .Giving Alex Ferguson headaches regarding attacking selection unless he desperately needs a rest He's gotta hit the back of the net consistently. . . .Double figures a season is not a big ask He has gotta play more team football - Ball retention & bringing other's into play has been ya'all's weapon but then has he even been spotless @dis? He needs to stop sulking and tone down the tins of gel he slaps on his hair. . . . |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Nobody: 12:00pm On Dec 30, 2009 |
MrCrackles:We don't agree on a lot,but for once i hold up my hand to concur with you on dat one RuuDie:The less I see of him the better for me and every other united fan,what a waste of space!!! |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by presido1: 12:43pm On Dec 30, 2009 |
Eastbay:Waste of space and resources. I even prefer Wellbeck. Kiko or Owen to that puff. |
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