Underground:
If anyone is in denial about just how differently the police treats Black suspects compared to White suspects, please watch this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daVhasi95c4

White People With Guns NOT Killed By Cops (VIDEOS)

On that I absolutely agree with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuhbAZ6hlH4

[size=14pt]Philando Castile's mom: 'We are being hunted' (Full CNN interview)[/size]

The mother of Philando Castile, whose death was captured on video after being fatally shot by Minnesota police
during a traffic stop, speaks to CNN's Alisyn Camerota.

NairaMinted:
Lol! This is hilarious!

Isn't it funny how "Pootine azz eaters" hating buddies who are united in their derision of anything Putin are now at each other's throats in their very own house? Who would have thought?

Zoharariel, the chicken has come home to roost or should I say the chaos that they have insidiously and cruelly sown abroad in so many countries has come back home to its place of birth?

Lucasbalo, keep fighting for your kind that are being brutally repressed and disenfranchised in Amerika. I hope you won't have reason to run back home to this very same sh1t of a place called Nigeria at some point. Lol!

Missy89, i'm sure there are a lot of fine young men (or women) that can keep you company out there in Guam? Why not spend all that time loving in someone's arms rather than hating and throwing tantrums here on Nairaland so much so that your former "boyfriend" Shymmx disparaged you in such a cruel manner and has since disappeared. If no one is avaialble, come back home. Zoharariel has said it countless times that his "glorious" Ijebu banana awaits to serve you.

I am not looking for friends on niaraland the last time i checked and i dont see why you should be concerned about how and where i spend my time.

So what are you saying again?

Zoharariel:


My Luv, I love the way you beat around the bush.

You know, it is said that a man who plays with the pubic hair before penetration surely likes beating around the bush.

We will make a lovely couple missy.

Lucas, I luv the way you showed maturity by apologising to Missy. We shouldn't curse or disrespect anyone because our opinions & views differ, unless ofcourse that somebody is a jew, because jews are constantly scheming on how to kill you - goys (i.e non-jews) just to fulfil some entirely useless prophesy in their Torah & Talmud. .


Below are some nasty verses from the Talmud - to reboot your brain & make you stay focus:

1.) “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned
to serve the Jew day and night.” – MIDRASH TALPIOTH p.255-L

2.) “A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean.” – SCHULCHAN ARUCH, JOHRE DEAH, 122

3.) “A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.” – GAD,
SHAS, 2:2

4.) “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.” – SZAALOTH-UTSZABOT, THE BOOK OF JORE DIA 17

5.) “Do not save Goyim in danger of death. Show no mercy to the Goyim.” – HIKKOTH AKUM X1

6.) “Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice.” – ZOHAR, SHEMOTH

***But unfortunately for them, Adolf Hitler saw this 1 below - and that was what triggered the holoucaust***

7.) “To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to killing of all Jews, for if the
Goyim knew what we teach about them, th ey would kill us openly.” – LIBBRE DAVID 37

Dont forget to take your meds today.

I did not beat around the bush. I asked him a question and he refused to answer it. Anyway, take your pills and lay have a nap

Zoharariel:
While I commiserate with the families of the blacks who were brutally murdered by the racist white cops; anything that will throw Amerika into perpetual chaos & anarchy is welcomed by me.

The retributional law of the universe is very simple & clear - Every wrong action or crime brings its own punishment.

Those who sow sorrow shall reap rage and he that soweth chaos must reap mayhem.

You don't go sowing chaos & anarchy in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Egypt, Yemen, Ukraine, Nigeria, Venezuela, Brazil, South Africa, South-China sea, Korean peninsula, Strait of Hormuz, Baltic Sea, Black sea & Indian Ocean while expecting your cursed & useless country to remain peaceful.

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My thoughts exactly. The chickens are coming back home to roost. It won't be proper if we don't take a look at the training and orientation of these policemen. They are sent to Israel for routine training which puts the mind boggling brutality they exhibit back home into perspective. What we are seeing here in effect, is the same policing tactics used in Palestine by those land grabbing filthy scumbags.
www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-police-routinely-travel-to-israel-to-learn-methods-of-brutality-and-repression/5473282

Zoharariel:


My Luv, I love the way you beat around the bush.

You know, it is said that a man who plays with the pubic hair before penetration surely likes beating around the bush.

We will make a lovely couple missy.

Lucas, I luv the way you showed maturity by apologising to Missy. We shouldn't curse or disrespect anyone because our opinions & views differ, unless ofcourse that somebody is a jew, because jews are constantly scheming on how to kill you - goys (i.e non-jews) just to fulfil some entirely useless prophesy in their Torah & Talmud. .


Below are some nasty verses from the Talmud - to reboot your brain & make you stay focus:

1.) “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned
to serve the Jew day and night.” – MIDRASH TALPIOTH p.255-L

2.) “A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean.” – SCHULCHAN ARUCH, JOHRE DEAH, 122

3.) “A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.” – GAD,
SHAS, 2:2

4.) “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.” – SZAALOTH-UTSZABOT, THE BOOK OF JORE DIA 17

5.) “Do not save Goyim in danger of death. Show no mercy to the Goyim.” – HIKKOTH AKUM X1

6.) “Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice.” – ZOHAR, SHEMOTH

***But unfortunately for them, Adolf Hitler saw this 1 below - and that was what triggered the holoucaust***

7.) “To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to killing of all Jews, for if the
Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.” – LIBBRE DAVID 37

Why don't you stop your unnecessary rants about your hatred for Jewish people. It defeats your arguments. As much as you get under my skin sometimes, I don't even hate you. What's going on in America now is the tragic effects of hatred. Don't we have enough of hatred already ?. Spread love not hatred. Peace and out. Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myiz05beTVI

[size=14pt]Krystal Muhammed, Chair of the New Black Panther Party
(Police should be held to a higher standard)[/size]

Krystal Muhammed says that government turns blind eye to killings of black people
and that police should be held to higher standards

The Counted
People killed by police in the US


I reckon that by end of this month the 569 killed would be in the 7 hundreds....

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if_0AyVyMLI

[size=14pt]President Obama Reacts to Alton Sterling and Philando Castile Shootings[/size]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7AKfRlKCoY

[size=14pt]Lavish Reynolds speaks out after police shot and killed her boyfriend[/size]

Lavish Reynolds spoke with the media live-streamed the aftermath of her boyfriend's shooting

'He didn't have any last words, his eyes rolled in the back of his head': Woman who live-streamed her boyfriend being shot dead by Minnesota cop sobs about the police killing him 'in front of my daughter'

The distraught woman who live-streamed her boyfriend dying after he was shot five times by a cop in Minnesota has broken cover to hit out at police for 'killing him in front of my daughter'

Diamond Reynolds, who was handcuffed after a cop in Falcon Heights, Saint Paul, shot Philando Castile, 32, five times, sobbed as she said her four-year-old daughter will 'forever be scarred' by the incident.

In an extraordinary speech calling on the community to come together, she insisted that police had stopped them for a busted tail light, which she claims wasn't even busted, and that Philando told the officer he had a firearm on him and a license, before the cop begin shooting 'for no reason'.

Speaking hours after she was released by police in front of a crowd brandishing Black Lives Matter placards, Reynolds told a growing crowd that her boyfriend 'didn't have any last words. His eyes rolled in the back of his head.'

'The police did this to us. The police killed him in front of my daughter. The police did this to me. They took an innocent man away from us.'

Demanding justice and peace, she said: 'These police should not be able to bear arms on innocent people in front of kids. My daughter will be forever scarred by what the police of Falcon Heights did to us.

'For no apparent reason they asked him for identification. And before they gave him a chance to get it, they beared arms on him.'

Lucasbalo:
You are spot on about KKK and White Nationalists infiltrating police departments all over the US. This started in early 90s. Most of those officers are there to intimidate minorities. When the police officers have confrontations with Whites, the officers are very good in disescallating the situation, but with brothers, they shoot first and then call for the ambulance. We had a guy in Chicago recently by the name of Micheal MacDonald, he was walking away from police and he still get shot 16 times by the police officer. After he went down he shot him 15 times while he was down. The racist police officer lied that the guy jumped him and the video on his squad car revealed the truth. He's now facing first degree murder at Cook County Court. I bet your friend Missy will never condemn such execution. She will defend the White Racist cops and she loathes people that looks like her. What a mystery.

Blood of Jesus! (@ the 2nd bolded.) This is a real threat to America's peaceful co-existence. What a-hell is the government waiting for to put in laws and regulations that should checmate police contact with civilians and the rules of engagement? 15 and sixteen shots on a man unarmed? Jesus! Its just too much, and i hope the insane cop get what he rightly deserves - the gallows.

As for those turning the blind eye to this crime against humanity, let them be, one day, they will come face to face with reality. As for you and the remaining brothers over there, may God keep y'all far away from those white sons of perdition masking in police uniforms. I just pray the authorities gets to work and fish out the madmen before nightfalls, otherwise, get ready to see a second Dallas, and more from now on. The precedent has been laid. The counter has just begone: only that it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good, as its always the innocent that pays the price.

What a cruel world

Lucasbalo:
You are absolutely right. I was watching live on TV last night when coupled crazy guys ambushed the police officers in Dallas and we all know the after effect. It's real sad. I am a father of four and I get scared when they go out especially for Junior. It's scary time in US but we just have to pray that cooler heads prevail. About Missy, she's something out of this world. She would not condemn the shooters of Blacks but she condemned Obama in a jiffy for saying that all this police killings are disturbing. I am doubting her credibility and I told her that last night. I work in an office full of White Republicans and they are all displeased with all these killings of innocent black men and women. An injustice to one Is an injustice to all. With all the video evidence thrown in her face, She still won't condemn the police officers. If those two black men are Whites, they will be alive today. Thanks for your concern. Hopefully, Justice will prevail and all the killings will stop on both sides.

@the bolded, he that have an ear, let him hear. Until men everywhere realizes that the color of your skin, economic or political status, doesn't and shouldn't determine when or how to stand for the truth, so many will continue the downward descent down the dungeon of bias and inhumanity. Am glad that you are one of the few up here with a conscience of red flesh, unlike those whose souls, spirits and bodies are buried in the abysmal notion of ''white supremacy'' and white god that does no wrong. I tell you, jingoism and self delusion are the bane of many gentlemen here in this artificial world of discourse.
Nevertheless, we can only pray and hope that this current evil trend is substantially minimize, if not totally eradicated. And i think you parents now have more work to do concerning the going out of your wards; like you said, its now fearing times in the States. God keep you all.

Appleyard:
Later some people will come here and tell you how they have the 'best institutions'' that other nations don't have. Pathetic.

I sincerely pray that the government does something about this brutality and highhandedness, otherwise, it might lead to a bloody revolution in the future. R.I.P to the African murdered brothers.

u.s.a is a failed state. sad how those parrading itself as a democrazy is no more than a failed state. even in nigeria police do not kill anyone for resisting arrest.

democrazy, capitalism has failed the human race again.

what a failed state.

Missy89:


Please show me the facts you said you presented to me about police killings that i did not respond to.

Thank you

Well, i just don't have the time to go digging threads for previous posts, but remembered you said ''you are more likely to be killed as a Whiteman than as a Blackman.'' And i think its on that same thread we also discussed the issue of US prisons being privatized, Yeah.
But remember that the killings we are talking about are not just the normal killings, but of police brutality and unnecessary killings - unarmed killings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/31/the-counted-police-killings-2015-young-black-men

The real problem here is Police unnecessary killings, and its clear that most of those killings are beyond erroneous interpretations. Most are centred on ''hate'' especially when it comes to blacks.

By the way: where have you been?

Appleyard:


Well, i just don't have the time to go digging threads for previous posts, but remembered you said ''you are more likely to be killed as a Whiteman than as a Blackman.'' And i think its on that same thread we also discussed the issue of US prisons being privatized, Yeah.
But remember that the killings we are talking about are not just the normal killings, but of police brutality and unnecessary killings - unarmed killings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/31/the-counted-police-killings-2015-young-black-men

The real problem here is Police unnecessary killings, and its clear that most of those killings are beyond erroneous interpretations. Most are centred on ''hate'' especially when it comes to blacks.

By the way: where have you been?

The problem with some right wingers is they want to justify police brutality on minorities by saying Blacks are killing Blacks in large numbers. The difference is that the black thugs and drug dealers are doing most of the black killings. The police officers are sworn to serve and protect. People that suppose to serve and protect you shouldn't end up brutalising you or kill you unless if their lives are in danger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wImctMB16W0

[size=14pt]You Will Not Be Alone, The Entire Nation And The World Has Been Watching[/size]

Appleyard:


Well, i just don't have the time to go digging threads for previous posts, but remembered you said ''you are more likely to be killed as a Whiteman than as a Blackman.'' And i think its on that same thread we also discussed the issue of US prisons being privatized, Yeah.
But remember that the killings we are talking about are not just the normal killings, but of police brutality and unnecessary killings - unarmed killings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/31/the-counted-police-killings-2015-young-black-men

The real problem here is Police unnecessary killings, and its clear that most of those killings are beyond erroneous interpretations. Most are centred on ''hate'' especially when it comes to blacks.

By the way: where have you been?

There was a study that shows that white cops are hesitant to shoot minorities when they are put in that position because of the backlash. That is what i was referring to. Will find a way to post it later.

There was a new york times article today( done by a black Harvard professor)

The title is : Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings by QUOCTRUNG BUI and AMANDA COX you should read it.

Few excerpts

A new study confirms that black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police.

But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias


You should go online and read the whole thing. There was another study done by the department of justice last year that black and latino cops are more likely to fire their guns first. And there is another one that showed that more white citizens were killed by cops last year.

There cant be any honest conversation about the issue if black americans dont want to accept the facts and be honest with themselves.

America has a police heavy handling problem but it is not racially motivated. Crime stats shows that. And remember unarmed killings that you mentioned includes someone reaching for the officers gun like Micheal Brown was.

The Marshall project that did a study on that explained it in their report. Excerpts here :

The Marshall Project that looking at the details of the actual incidents that occurred paints a different picture:

The “unarmed” label is literally accurate, but it frequently fails to convey highly-charged policing situations. In a number of cases, if the victim ended up being unarmed, it was certainly not for lack of trying. At least five black victims had reportedly tried to grab the officer’s gun, or had been beating the cop with his own equipment. Some were shot from an accidental discharge triggered by their own assault on the officer. And two individuals included in the Post’s “unarmed black victims” category were struck by stray bullets aimed at someone else in justified cop shootings. If the victims were not the intended targets, then racism could have played no role in their deaths.

In one of those unintended cases, an undercover cop from the New York Police Department was conducting a gun sting in Mount Vernon, just north of New York City. One of the gun traffickers jumped into the cop’s car, stuck a pistol to his head, grabbed $2,400 and fled. The officer gave chase and opened fire after the thief again pointed his gun at him. Two of the officer’s bullets accidentally hit a 61-year-old bystander, killing him. That older man happened to be black, but his race had nothing to do with his tragic death. In the other collateral damage case, Virginia Beach, Virginia, officers approached a car parked at a convenience store that had a homicide suspect in the passenger seat. The suspect opened fire, sending a bullet through an officer’s shirt. The cops returned fire, killing their assailant as well as a woman in the driver’s seat. That woman entered the Post’s database without qualification as an “unarmed black victim” of police fire.



I have been good thanks

Missy89:


There was a study that shows that white cops are hesitant to shoot minorities when they are put in that position because of the backlash. That is what i was referring to. Will find a way to post it later.

There was a new york times article today( done by a black Harvard professor)

The title is : Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings by QUOCTRUNG BUI and AMANDA COX you should read it.

Few excerpts

A new study confirms that black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police.

But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias


You should go online and read the whole thing. There was another study done by the department of justice last year that black and latino cops are more likely to fire their guns first. And there is another one that showed that more white citizens were killed by cops last year.

There cant be any honest conversation about the issue if black americans dont want to accept the facts and be honest with themselves.

America has a police heavy handling problem but it is not racially motivated. Crime stats shows that. And remember unarmed killings that you mentioned includes someone reaching for the officers gun like Micheal Brown was.

The Marshall project that did a study on that explained it in their report. Excerpts here :

The Marshall Project that looking at the details of the actual incidents that occurred paints a different picture:

The “unarmed” label is literally accurate, but it frequently fails to convey highly-charged policing situations. In a number of cases, if the victim ended up being unarmed, it was certainly not for lack of trying. At least five black victims had reportedly tried to grab the officer’s gun, or had been beating the cop with his own equipment. Some were shot from an accidental discharge triggered by their own assault on the officer. And two individuals included in the Post’s “unarmed black victims” category were struck by stray bullets aimed at someone else in justified cop shootings. If the victims were not the intended targets, then racism could have played no role in their deaths.

In one of those unintended cases, an undercover cop from the New York Police Department was conducting a gun sting in Mount Vernon, just north of New York City. One of the gun traffickers jumped into the cop’s car, stuck a pistol to his head, grabbed $2,400 and fled. The officer gave chase and opened fire after the thief again pointed his gun at him. Two of the officer’s bullets accidentally hit a 61-year-old bystander, killing him. That older man happened to be black, but his race had nothing to do with his tragic death. In the other collateral damage case, Virginia Beach, Virginia, officers approached a car parked at a convenience store that had a homicide suspect in the passenger seat. The suspect opened fire, sending a bullet through an officer’s shirt. The cops returned fire, killing their assailant as well as a woman in the driver’s seat. That woman entered the Post’s database without qualification as an “unarmed black victim” of police fire.



I have been good thanks

Keep believing in that garbage until it happens to a member of your family or someone close to you.

Lucasbalo:
Keep believing in that garbage until it happens to a member of your family or someone close to you.

That is a very stup1d and insensitive statement. If you have any other stats and facts contradicting what i said all you need to do is present your argument and not restort to petty defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jdGuNdLdo0

[size=14pt]Alton Sterling shooting (Black female police officer speak out)[/size]

Black female police officer speaks out about the Alton Sterling shooting. She spoke with so much passion

Missy89:


That is a very stup1d and insensitive statement. If you have any other stats and facts contradicting what i said all you need to do is present your argument and not restort to petty defense.

You may think what I said was stupid and insensitive but hopefully , you won't have to go through that pain of losing a love one to police brutality. I am not worried about police abuse personally because I am beyond that. I am worried about my children and nephews, cousins and other loved ones. Your insensitivity to people that lost loved ones to police brutality is beyond comprehension. This is not conservatism, it's pure wickedness when you accused a lady that her boyfriend was murdered by police officer of lying. Your mindset is scary.

Lucasbalo:
You may think what I said was stupid and insensitive but hopefully , you won't have to go through that pain of losing a love one to police brutality. I am not worried about police abuse personally because I am beyond that. I am worried about my children and nephews, cousins and other loved ones. Your insensitivity to people that lost loved ones to police brutality is beyond comprehension. This is not conservatism, it's pure wickedness when you accused a lady that her boyfriend was murdered by police officer of lying. Your mindset is scary.

If she said they were pulled over for a busted tail light and it turns out it was because of something else, what will you call that?

A lie or the truth?

It seems that the argument you are making is that people can be excused for not saying the truth if something bad happens to them. So for that reason I must either accept the lie or I am a wicked person.


It is not enough for the insecure left to deem a position wrong; if it’s merely wrong, it needs to be argued about, and it can’t survive that. It must instead be morally abhorrent.

This is how the leftist faith protects itself from the infection of doubt. (Meanwhile, of course, patting itself on the back for being so open-minded…)

Do you guys have attention deficit disorder?

Oooooooooh! Zoharariel, come carry ya Committee of Amerikan Defenders comot for here o!

Missy89:


If she said they were pulled over for a busted tail light and it turns out it was because of something else, what will you call that?

A lie or the truth?

It seems that the argument you are making is that people can be excused for not saying the truth if something bad happens to them. So for that reason I must either accept the lie or I am a wicked person.


It is not enough for the insecure left to deem a position wrong; if it’s merely wrong, it needs to be argued about, and it can’t survive that. It must instead be morally abhorrent.

This is how the leftist faith protects itself from the infection of doubt. (Meanwhile, of course, patting itself on the back for being so open-minded…)

Do you guys have attention deficit disorder?

It makes no freaking difference why he was pulled over, the bottom line is that he would be alive today if he was White. He never threatened the officer and he was dead. Like I said, I hope the rooster never come home to roost with this your conservative b/s.

NairaMinted:
Oooooooooh! Zoharariel, come carry ya Committee of Amerikan Defenders comot for here o!

PovertyMinted, you hush your mouth.

Lucasbalo:
It makes no freaking difference why he was pulled over, the bottom line is that he would be alive today if he was White. He never threatened the officer and he was dead. Like I said, I hope the rooster never come home to roost with this your conservative b/s.

So now your are changing the argument. I said she lied and i had proof that she did. You called me a wicked person for pointing that out. Now it doesnt matter

your new argument now is that he never threatened the officer even thou none of us knew what happened prior to the shooting and the recording since the investigation is still on going and you were never in the car.

You see how incoherent and dishonest you sound?

Sometimes, arguing with you seems like an exercise in futility.

Missy89:



So now your are changing the argument. I said she lied and i had proof that she did. You called me a wicked person for pointing that out. Now it doesnt matter

your new argument now is that he never threatened the officer even thou none of us knew what happened prior to the shooting and the recording since the investigation is still on going and you were never in the car.

You see how incoherent and dishonest you sound?

Sometimes, arguing with you seems like an exercise in futility.

Like I said, a person that's devoid of human compassion is a souless person. Dont know what happened in your life to be this inconsiderate of other people in pain. I hope the rooster never come home to roost. Jezebel is not even as hard hearted as you. Yours is not conservatism, it's pure and unadulterated wickedness. The good man above will cure you of it.

Lucasbalo:
Like I said, a person that's devoid of human compassion is a souless person. Dont know what happened in your life to be this inconsiderate of other people in pain. I hope the rooster never come home to roost. Jezebel is not even as hard hearted as you. Yours is not conservatism, it's pure and unadulterated wickedness. The good man above will cure you of it.

You sound like a very unstable person. Does having compassion includes making things up?. So tell me how you knew the victim never threatened the officer.

You are a typical leftist, making emotional arguments instead of a logical one. You are making up ur evidence as you go and when i knock them down, you cried that your wife and daughters are jezebels.

You should really be ashamed of what you are saying. Can you even think critically at all? You need help

Zoharariel! This is all your fault! I said, come carry ya Warring Committee of Amerikan Defenders comot for here!

Secret interrogation and detention centers, counter-insurgency tactics, summary executions, etc. Not in Israel but in the U.S. by a police that is getting it's training from a country that is expert at keeping a conquered people under an open-ended military occupation.

A look at the source of the violent component of America's Black vs. police issues..

Via ConsortiumNews

Chicago Police Adopt Israeli Tactics
July 11, 2016

From the Archive: Recent cases of white police killing unarmed black men raise concern that some U.S. police are applying counter-terrorism tactics, including some learned at Israeli academies, retired JAG Major Todd E. Pierce wrote in 2015.

By Todd E. Pierce (Originally published on Dec. 11, 2015)

After more than a year of stonewalling and what some might call obstructing justice, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel issued an apology for the horrific execution of Laquan McDonald by Chicago police officer Jason van Dyke. Laquan McDonald was the black 17-year-old who was shot 16 times by the police officer on Oct. 20, 2014. The video showing the shooting was only released by Chicago officials when they were ordered to do so by a judge in late November 2015.

But apology or not, the underlying substantive issue is that the summary execution of McDonald was the sort of atrocity that one would expect to see in what the U.S. once called “police states.” In fact, one can imagine a death squad execution in El Salvador in the 1980s looking very similar on video to McDonald’s slaying.


Dashcam video of Chicago police shooting Laquan McDonald.
“Police state” is a term which has fallen into disuse since 9/11 with the adoption of so many similar practices by the so-called “democracies” in their domestic policies. The term generally was applied to Fascist or Communist governments and described a country where the police and the military exercised martial law over citizens or military occupation powers that uses military force to control a civilian population.

Sometimes these arbitrary powers were enforced by summary executions, depending on how much the authorities could get away with in their “extreme measures.” This was the practice in countries such as Nazi Germany; Pinochet’s Chile; El Salvador and Guatemala during the Cold War; to a lesser degree, apartheid South Africa; and military occupied territories such as Tibet, Israeli-occupied Palestine, and Eastern Europe under the Soviet Union.

But Chicago isn’t under martial law or military occupation, is it? Nor is it an apartheid state, with apartheid enforced by domestic martial law and military force, is it? To a normal civilian-oriented mind, one would think it is not under military occupation or martial law.

Seeking Israeli Training

Yet, under Mayor Emanuel, a former Israeli Defense Force (IDF) volunteer, and Garry McCarthy, the now former Chicago Police Superintendent (Emanuel fired him Dec. 1, 2015), it seems that parts of Chicago were treated as if they were occupied territory under police or paramilitary rule.

That is, under arbitrary martial law, just like the repressive martial law regime of the IDF in the occupied territory of Palestine. Martial law or occupation law is arbitrary as it is not law, but is the manifestation of the occupying military commander’s “will.”

How could this be in the civilian government of Chicago? In part, because Police Superintendent McCarthy and the City of Chicago sought out and received training by Israeli occupation forces in “counter-terrorism” policing, that is, “pacifying” a population through aggressive intelligence gathering and the application of military force. Counter-insurgency is the term used for when this doctrine is applied by military forces.

This collaboration between Israel and U.S. police agencies, including Chicago, emerged after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington. Since then, by one count, at least 300 high-ranking sheriffs and police from cities both large and small have received counter-terrorism training in Israel. For instance, in January 2003, 33 senior U.S. law enforcement officials from Chicago and other major American cities flew to Israel for sessions on “Law Enforcement in the Era of Global Terror.”

[One of the Israeli-trained police officials was Dallas Police Chief David Brown, who oversaw the police response to last Friday’s killing of five police officers and the decision to use a remote-controlled bomb to kill the shooting suspect.]

In 2009, Israel’s Midwest Consulate General co-sponsored “an intensive seminar” in Israel for senior Chicago police officials “on intelligence-led policing techniques.”

Chicago Police Superintendent McCarthy was a key participant in this Israeli training. The Israel Trade & Economic Office of the U.S. Midwest Region invited police officials to “Join Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy & the Midwest Delegation to the Israel Homeland Security International Conference 2012, and be a part of an international gathering of public security officials and private technology companies.”

In 2012, these “security officials” got to “experience demonstrations of breakthrough technologies from Israel” and “tour security infrastructure at the Old City of Jerusalem,” a city under Israeli military occupation. It wasn’t made clear if the “demonstrations of breakthrough technologies from Israel” would extend to live subjects in occupied Jerusalem.

In November 2014, Chicago’s McCarthy “led a delegation of senior law enforcement officials to Israel” as part of a training mission “to engage directly with their Israeli counterparts to discuss best practices, unique strategies, and new technologies in a range of law enforcement areas,” according to the same Israeli trade office.

“The visit also aimed to build a foundation for enhanced collaboration between the Chicago Police Department and the State of Israel.” Included in the delegation was the Executive Director of Cook County’s Homeland Security and Emergency Management Office, the Chief of Staff of the Chicago Police Department, as well as police officials from other large American cities. [The itinerary of the delegation is explained more here.]

In other words, over more than a decade, senior Chicago police officials have been studying Israel’s militarized police practices for how best to maintain a repressive military control over an occupied population living under permanent, strict martial, or occupation, law.

An Occupation Mentality

Why this matters is that Israel doesn’t have a domestic civilian policing model but instead applies a counter-insurgency policing model intended for a population under military occupation, or otherwise considered as hostile under martial law.


Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel speaking at a Brookings Institution event.
This policing model is being sold by Israel’s government to gullible or authoritarian-leaning U.S. police officials as a legitimate domestic policing model when, in fact, it is a military model of the sort used by militaristic, authoritarian regimes, customarily referred to as “fascist.”

What many people fail to understand about Israel and the IDF is that since 1967, now going on half a century, the Palestinian civilians who “fell into [Israeli] hands” when the IDF conquered Palestinian territory have been kept in strict and harsh military captivity of the sort the U.S. condemned when the former Soviet Union did the same to its captive peoples.

This pattern continues even though the Israeli occupation has been repeatedly declared illegal under international law. Chicago police being trained by Israeli security police and occupation forces is analogous to, and merits the same condemnation as, a U.S. city sending its officials to receive “police” training from Soviet security police who maintained military occupation of Eastern Europe in the 1950s-1960s. Or to North Korea today.

But in this case, there is also the issue of colluding with Israeli occupation authorities in an illegal occupation. These U.S. police officials are put in what should be the awkward position of aiding and abetting illegality.

Of course, one killing by a Chicago police officer, though similar to some of the killings by the IDF of civilians in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, and far below the scale of killing of the periodic “mowing the grass” that Israel undertakes in Gaza every couple of years, does not mean that illegal military occupation tactics are being practiced in Chicago. Or does it?

Secret Interrogations

In isolation, no. But while Chicago police have always had the reputation of being simply a rival gang to the many other gangs in Chicago’s history, under Rahm Emanuel’s regime, it has come to resemble an occupying military force down to a “secret interrogation facility,” as reported by Britain’s Guardian newspaper in August 2015: “At least 3,500 Americans have been detained inside a Chicago police warehouse described by some of its arrestees as a secretive interrogation facility, newly uncovered records reveal.”

The Chicago Police Department maintained that the warehouse was not a secret facility “so much as an undercover police base operating in plain sight.” But, as the Guardian reported, people were shackled and held for hours or even days without access to attorneys in violation of the U.S. Constitution, but the sort of detention permitted of Palestinians under IDF occupation.

A Chicago civil rights activist said he was abducted by masked officers, shackled and held on false charges, “with no food, no water, no access to the outside world” at the behest of “covert operations.” In other words, he simply disappeared.

Another former “detainee,” Charles Jones, was told in the interrogation room that he would be allowed a phone call once booked and processed. But he said his requests for legal counsel were repeatedly denied during the six-to-eight hours he was held at Homan Square.

“The only reason you’re brought to Homan and Fillmore is to extract information,” Jones said, referring to the cross streets of the facility.

“The police probably feel they need those covert operations because that’s the only way to get the intel they need instead of doing the good work the hard work. . . . It’s easy to just go grab someone, throw ’em somewhere no food, no water, no access to the outside world, intimidating and threatening ’em,” he said.

That is similar to intelligence-driven techniques used in counter-insurgency warfare. Several ex-Homan Square detainees told the Guardian that their detentions “were out of proportion to their alleged crimes, if any but calibrated to pressure them into becoming informants.” This, in fact, is just like what U.S. forces did in occupied Iraq and Israeli forces do in Occupied Palestine. Indeed, that is what occupying armies do.

According to The Guardian, while the police data is incomplete, the disclosures “suggest an intensification of Homan Square usage under Emanuel. Approximately 70% of the Homan Square detentions the Chicago police acknowledge thus far have occurred under the current mayor.”

At the time of The Guardian article, then-Police Superintendent McCarthy was attending a meeting on violence and policing in Washington and was unavailable for comment.

After The Guardian’s initial Homan Square exposé in February 2015, protests were held and local politicians called for investigations. But Rahm Emanuel was not among the concerned officials even though he was running for re-election in part on a platform of police reform. Instead, Emanuel took ownership of the unorthodox operation and “defended his police,” claiming, “we follow all the rules” at Homan Square and calling the reporting “not true.”

Israeli Comparisons

To Mayor Emanuel and former Superintendent McCarthy, it seemed, affluent sections of Chicago’s North Side are to Chicago’s South and West sides what Tel Aviv is to Occupied Palestine’s Jerusalem and Ramallah.


Israel Defense Force soldiers patrolling Nablus during the Second Intifada in 2002. (Photo credit: Israel Defense Forces)
Emanuel and McCarthy seemed to have imported the Israeli military occupation ideology that just as Palestine must be kept “under the heavy heel of Israeli military occupation,” so must Chicago’s poorer areas be kept under the heavy heel of the Chicago police, acting as a paramilitary occupation force.

That Emanuel bears responsibility for all that has taken place in regard to the McDonald execution is shown in his role in making the Independent Police Review Authority (IPRA), the civilian agency that investigates allegations of excessive force by police, irrelevant.

The Chicago Tribune published an examination that found that of the 409 police shootings since IPRA was created in September 2007, only two allegations against police officers were deemed credible. (Emanuel has been mayor since May 16, 2011.)

In December 2015, in announcing that former federal prosecutor Sharon Fairley would take charge of the IPRA after the resignation of her predecessor, neither Emanuel nor Fairley addressed how IPRA would improve “its woeful track record in investigating shootings,” as the Chicago Tribune described it.

Instead, Fairley stated: “the mission of IPRA will remain the same: thorough, fair and timely investigation of police officer misconduct.” Absurdly, that seems to be a statement asserting that nothing would change, allowing the police to continue operating with a sense of entitlement as they run roughshod over a population they are supposed to protect.

According to the Chicago Tribune, Chicago police officials under Emanuel stopped participating in meetings with the IPRA to discuss officer shootings, “a change that came with the knowledge of the mayor’s office.” Will that remain the same?

U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch was asked whether the federal investigation would extend to the mayor’s and state’s attorney’s offices. Notwithstanding Emanuel’s alleged role in shutting down police participation with the IPRA, Lynch said the investigation would focus on the Police Department’s practices.

That’s not all that remarkable when one considers that the U.S. Justice Department and President Barack Obama declared they would take no action on the issue of “war on terror” torture by U.S. government officials involving the CIA and the military. As President Obama’s former Chief of Staff, Emanuel seems to fall under a similar protective shield of impunity.

What is remarkable is that the Illinois Legislative Black Caucus “called for Lynch to expand her probe to include IPRA and the state’s attorney’s office, but it left out the mayor’s office.” That is remarkable because Mayor Emanuel appears to be the person who gave impunity for civil rights violations to Chicago police officers to the degree that they felt legally immune in summarily executing Laquan McDonald.

A Family History

If Mayor Rahm Emanuel seems to have brought a Fascist sensibility to Chicago and the police force, it can be said it’s part of a family tradition. According to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Emanuel “is the son of a Jerusalem-born pediatrician who was a member of the Irgun (Etzel or IZL), a militant Zionist group that operated in Palestine between 1931 and 1948.”


Wanted Poster of the Palestine Police Force offering rewards for the capture of Stern Gang terrorists: 1. Jaacov Levstein (Eliav), 2. Yitzhak Yezernitzky (Shamir), 3. Natan Friedman-Yelin
In addition, according to Emanuel’s father, Benjamin, his son “is the namesake of Rahamim, a Lehi combatant who was killed” and was obviously a close friend or seen as a martyr. Both Lehi and the Irgun were terrorist organizations, not only in the eyes of the British and the Arabs in pre-Israel Palestine, but in the eyes of their fellow Jews, whom they also attacked.

Furthermore, the clandestine terror squads considered themselves Fascist organizations, not only in their tactics but in their ideology which had aligned them with Mussolini’s Italy and other inter-war European Fascist parties.

In The Road to Power: Herut Party in Israel, author Yonathan Shapiro describes Irgun as the military wing of the Betar Movement. The two groups jointly published a paper, Die Tat. Shapiro writes: “Betar activists were swept up by the radical-right nationalism then at its height in Europe.”

This was shown in the Betar press in Poland, where the Yiddish-language Betar-Irgun paper Die Tat was sympathetic to radical-right parties. The paper ran a series of articles in late 1938 and early 1939 entitled “The Third Europe,” which Shapiro says “was the overall name given to radical-right movements such as the Nazis in Germany, the Fascists in Italy, the Iron Guard in Romania, and the Franco camp in Spain, and so forth.”

One article in the series explained that Hitler’s attempted putsch in 1923 derailed “the German leadership from its track of havlagah – the same term that Zionist leaders used for their policy of moderation in their dealings with the Arab nationalist movement in Palestine.” The implication was that the Jewish radical right had to do something similar to break the Jewish leaders from moderation in Palestine.

Another Die Tat writer who was based in Tel Aviv argued that anti-Semitism wasn’t “an integral part of Naziism, which in the final analysis was a version of Fascism,” of which he approved. In an editorial entitled, “Hitler and Judaism,” a few weeks later, “the paper wrote that it did not reject Hitler’s views, not even on the race issue. It only objected to the campaign that ‘in practice’ he was waging against the Jewish people, and its desire to establish an independent state.”

Lessons of Terror

In 1942, Menachem Begin arrived in “Eretz-Israel,” as Irgun members referred to Palestine. He was “offered command of the Irgun and leadership of Betar.” Begin refused leadership of Betar on the grounds that Ze’ev Jabotinsky, though dead, remained head of Betar, and Jabotinsky as the irreplaceable leader of Betar “came to symbolize the idea of the absolute leader.”


Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin.
Begin, the future founder of Likud and prime minister of Israel, was his “pupil and successor,” who shared the view of other Fascist parties that “believed in the principle of the omnipotent leader.” These were the Fascist ideas that Rahm Emanuel’s father imbibed and celebrated in his youth, and shared with his Lehi friend, Rahamim.

The distinction between the Irgun and Lehi was that the Irgun later called a truce with the British during World War II when it finally became apparent to them that Hitler represented a threat to Zionist interests, whereas Lehi saw Great Britain as much or more of the enemy than Hitler. Lehi continued terrorist attacks against Britain throughout the war.

Whatever the elder Emanuel’s political thoughts are today, he seemed to retain his youthful Fascist-style contempt for Arabs as he commented when Rahm was named President Obama’s Chief of Staff: “Obviously he’ll influence the president to be pro-Israel. Why wouldn’t he? What is he, an Arab? He’s not going to be mopping floors at the White House,” as reported in the New York Times.

None of this is to suggest that Rahm Emanuel shares any of the Fascist ideas of his father’s youthful associates in the Irgun or of his father in his youth. But if Rahm Emanuel is going to preside over secret interrogation and detention centers as the Mayor of Chicago and is responsible for a police force learning and using Fascist-style police tactics, people may begin to notice a resemblance to the youthful Benjamin Emanuel and the ideology his Irgun associates.

Emanuel’s Style

True to form in some people’s eyes after the court-ordered release of the video revealing the murder of Laquan McDonald Mayor Emanuel didn’t actually take responsibility for the cover-up except to acknowledge the obvious with his statement that it “happened on my watch.” He didn’t explain how the murder was swept under the carpet for over a year so, as some allege, it wouldn’t interfere with his reelection.

NPR reported, “Emanuel acknowledged there is an underlying ‘trust problem’ that Chicago needs to address,” and “the city now needs to begin the process of healing and restoring trust and confidence in the police department. … Emanuel says supervision and leadership in the police department failed, and he promises to address ‘the thin blue line’ and ‘the code of silence,’ in which police officers ignore, deny and cover up the bad actions of a colleague.”

However, as mayor, Emanuel bore ultimate responsibility for “supervision and leadership” of the police department and it wasn’t the “thin blue line” that maintained the “code of silence” for over a year. It was the Mayor’s Office.

Also, with Israel making its counter-insurgency police training a major export to U.S. police forces and with American cities such as Chicago eager to adopt that training, it is little wonder that minorities increasingly feel they are under repressive military-style occupation in their communities. They have good reason to feel that way since the police are getting training from a country that is expert at keeping a conquered people under an open-ended military occupation.

By contrast, the police of Scotland have offered a very different strategy to a delegation of top American police officials by demonstrating “the art of firearm-free policing.” As The New York Times reported, “Most British police officers are unarmed, a distinction particularly pronounced … in Scotland, where 98 percent of the country’s officers do not carry guns. Rather than escalating a situation with weapons, easing it through talk is an essential policing tool.”

The American police officials appeared dumbfounded by the concept of operating without weapons and pressed their Scottish counterparts with questions about how many Scottish police officers have been wounded or killed in the line of duty.

Bernard Higgins, an assistant chief constable who is Scotland’s use-of-force expert, responded that his officers do take punches often but the last one killed died in 1994 from a stabbing. “There is poverty, crime and a ‘pathological hatred of officers wearing our uniform’ in pockets of Scotland, he said, but constables live where they work and embrace their role as ‘guardians of the community,’ not warriors from a policing subculture,” according to the Times.

Higgins added, “We police from an absolute position of embracing democracy.”

Todd E. Pierce retired as a Major in the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General (JAG) Corps in November 2012. His most recent assignment was defense counsel in the Office of Chief Defense Counsel, Office of Military Commissions. In the course of that assignment, he researched and reviewed the complete records of military commissions held during the Civil War and stored at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.