kilo4sure:

I agree, the more we gain knowledge on the negative effects of child marriage, the more we see why it is wrong. But even if Christians happened to live with Jews in those days and still practiced child marriage, they would still be wrong, irrespective of their ignorance. Do you agree with this premise?

damogul:


Are you now saying that indeed all you believe are based on Assumptions? If Jesus never married why would u assume that if He did it would be to a minor?

*hint* same person you asked d question is same person responding. Those who love banning have done their worst.

ifenes:


Childish rant indeed! You have no answer just say it. I know you know the Old Testament is sharia laws that's why you are backing out. To be a true follower of Yahweh you must keep all his commandment, including sexing under- aged girls.

dalaman:


The average age of marriage at that time was 12 -16. He would have followed the normal Jewish tradition. Child marriage wasn't seen as anything wrong as such Jesus did not even touch on it because it wasn't a big deal.

ifenes:


Don't quote me next time, you have nothing to say

dalaman:


The average age of marriage at that time was 12 -16. He would have followed the normal Jewish tradition. Child marriage wasn't seen as anything wrong as such Jesus did not even touch on it because it wasn't a big deal.

babajeje123:

You don't believe God exists. Do you

kilo4sure:

Jesus hardly gave any law, he rather loved teaching, most of his teachings surprisingly unlike those of any other rabbi in those days were stories that applied to the people and their present environment, the readers who have the spirit of christ could then interpret the stories and have a shift in paradigm, from there ethics are influenced generally. This is the christian style.

damogul:



Atheists just don't get it.

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Farmerforlife:


Why do you ask me? I am not a Christian. I am a Muslim.

damogul:



Again I say this, man was made for the law and not the law for man. There would be no law if man did not first exist. Capice?

I would raise my kid on my personal values and not on what society feels or the law says. If my values compliment some aspects of the law then its kudos to that law.

This is why dysfunctional families produce dysfunctional kids or kids to parents who smoke are likely to do same.

Values are inherent first before being seen while laws are seen but not necessarily inherent as a lot of people can pretend in the face of d law but remove the law and their true selves showforth like in the case of weah96 who said with or without the law he is corrupt already.

hopefulLandlord:


So you're saying your personal values determines this? Your basis is personal

Yet when you guys open threads on insest and bestiality and some atheists say their personal value is against it, you guys never accepted the answer but kept on saying its not enough basis

Here you are saying the same thing

Sounds like hypocrisy

stephendamsoho:
Interesting question

I never saw god or Jesus condemn any of these in the Bible

I'm here to learn anyway, there might be parts of the bible I missed

damogul:



Again you answer without first understanding!

My personal values have a foundation and that foundation is Christ! The society or law cannot over rule what the spirit of Christ in me declares.

My foundation is firm and rooted in Righteousness but what are yours rooted in?

hopefulLandlord:


So you're saying your personal values determines this? Your basis is personal

Yet when you guys open threads on insest and bestiality and some atheists say their personal value is against it, you guys never accepted the answer but kept on saying its not enough basis

Here you are saying the same thing

Sounds like hypocrisy

damogul:


Wouldnt you have done same if I had made such a demeaning blunder? Your Admittance of wrong just further buttressed my observation about you....thats all.

hopefulLandlord:

Christ never condemned it

This is very simple, so unless you said Christ condemned it personally to you and only you, then all good

flamingREED:


The Christian God created men and gave them brains efficient enough to know right and wrong_

And it's not out of godliness if you:

Learn from conscience:

Romans 2
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

Does your conscience approve of it?

Learn from nature:
1 Corinthians 11
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
Romans 1
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

You can understand how God is or wants you to live by observing nature- the things that are made_

Nature sums up anatomy and working of all things_

Is underrage marriage a distortion of nature?
Does it harm nature in any way?
Yes, in a way:

Learn from science/human understanding which proceeds from God:

Daniel 1
17 As for these four children, God gave them knowledge and skill in all learning and wisdom: and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.
Job 32
8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
Job 28
12 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?
23 God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof.
27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out.

God is much in favor of science and learning.

Now, does science negate for support underage marriage in anyway?

Even so does God stand against it_

That's it's not in the Bible does not mean God's speechless_

He's loaded man with wit enough by which humans also should both prove and be grateful that He made a valuable creation'

God's Swordsman_

damogul:



Why do you find it hard to understand the simplest of things? This is your thread but you do not even understand anything in it and from it. Backtrack on this thread and see where I akready addressed this and kilo4sure also addressed this.
Learn to grasp stuff quickly and in a snap...tic tic tic like that. You are not !

hopefulLandlord:

Christ never condemned it

This is very simple, so unless you said Christ condemned it personally to you and only you, then all good

hopefulLandlord:


Oga this is very simple, conscience is most times determined by societal laws

So long Society is not against it, some people's conscience might not be against it

And then I usually use the conscience argument when asked about bestiality and insest which your brothers never found valid enough


These don't address it

hopefulLandlord:


Sorry bro

My apologies

flamingREED:


Conscience isn't determined by society;
It can only be affected by it.

And I thought you'd understand how I meant that God and science are on the same page in this argument.

Is it scientifically okay to lay a 12 year old maid?
Nah_
It's against science, nature and the common conscience, and therefore I learn that God is against it'

Lastly, to think that you as a Muslim called together atheists to behold this controversy is an indicator that you have a conscience society affects, not that God controls_

hopefulLandlord:
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Give society its due

hopefulLandlord:


Learn to be coherent or upgrade your thinking a bit, you might like it

It was NEVER addressed

If your god addressed adultery and fornication which are brought about by sex at the time in different bible verses. Why then is the bible silent on this issue?

Was there no one at that time regarded to have involved himself in child marriage?

Almost all vices possible at that time were well addressed by your book

Why the silence on certain matters? Think and stop this rigmarole of yours

And stop quoting out of context parts of the bible to suit your argument, its dishonest and Pathetic

damogul:



Before I answer your question I need you to answer this personal question. .. is child marriage a wicked thing to you or a kind thing or a noble thing?
Answer me this and I promise to follow through with the answer to ur question.

hopefulLandlord:


We are talking conscience and conscience alone

Granted its affected by it but we are still saying the same thing

Society may affect his conscience into marrying a 12 year old, since its not illegal

How then is it wrong? Don't bring science in pls

If your (enemy's) daughter that's 14 decides to marry a Muslim and the Muslim agrees to marry her, how do you use the bible to convince him to wait? Since society allows it and the bible didn't directly antagonise it? Would you be quoting all the verses of yours? Do they sound convincing enough to you?