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Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by kobosmalls: 12:46pm On Aug 13, 2016
Exodus 24:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

Compare.....
◄ 1 Timothy 6:16 ►
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen

God being all invisible and a spirit, which one do we consider right here?
Please consider and discuss the issue that this meme raises.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by stephenmorris(m): 3:36pm On Aug 13, 2016
winner01 and kingebukanaija will never visit such thread

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by winner01(m): 4:37pm On Aug 13, 2016
9. Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel,
10. and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself


Two options:

1. The elders had some glimpse of the glory of God, though whatever they saw, it was something of which no image or picture could be made. Nothing is described but what was under his feet.
How do you see someone and the only description you have is the under of his feet.

Timothy was right: No one can see God and live, but one can see or behold the glory or the goodness of God.

Just like God told Moses later:
“I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. . . . But . . . you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live”.


2. They may also have seen a christophany (a pre-incarnate image of God). Jacob wrestled with such being, and it was said that he wrestled with God. We know its not possible to wrestle with God.

These are my opinions, others can give theirs.



Stephen, You wont see me on such threads cos the aim of such threads are mockery and nothing more. I'm in a lighter mood that why i have decided to oblige you. My sole intent on this section is being reflected in my threads. Thanks.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by promise10: 4:40pm On Aug 13, 2016
kobosmalls:
Exodus 24:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

Compare.....
◄ 1 Timothy 6:16 ►
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen

God being all invisible and a spirit, which one do we consider right here?


@stephenmorris Stop deluding yourself, thinking that without this persons, the word of God cannot be defended. Wake up please!

@OP, NO MAN HAD EVER SEEN GOD. Even John 1:18 confirms this to us as well. So it's not a coincidence in timothy, but A FACT.

John 1:18;"18 No man hath seen God AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

So, even moses NEVER, NEVER, NEVER saw God.

What he saw was the GLORY OF GOD through angels.

As a matter of fact, moses never saw God in the burning bush what he saw was an ANGEL, by the authority of God.

Acts 7:35;"35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand OF THE ANGEL WHICH APPEARED TO HIM IN THE BURNING BUSH."

As a matter of fact, God never ordained the law BY HIMSELF PHYSICALLY, but it was ordained by angels by God's authority.

Gal 3:19;" Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and IT(law) WAS ORDAINED BY ANGELS in the hand of a mediator(moses under law)"


As a matter of fact, God NEVER SPOKE the law BY HIS OWN MOUTH, but through angels.

Heb 2:2; "For if the word(law) SPOKEN BY ANGELS was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;"

Note: it is only under the law one receives the punishment one deserves.

AS a matter of fact, God NEVER deposited the law SINGLE-HANDEDLY BY HIMSELF. It was deposited through angels.

Acts 7:52-53;"52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have RECEIVED THE LAW BY THE DISPOSITION OF ANGELS and have not kept it."

So, the law was given all through angels BY THE AUTHORITY OF GOD.

Now, in the old testament, you may see something like "And the lord appeared..., and the lord spoke..." And many more, it doesn't mean that God HIMSELF PHYSICALLY APPEARED, but he appeared THROUGH A MEDIUM, most times, through angels.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:43pm On Aug 13, 2016
stephenmorris:
winner01 and kingebukanaija will never visit such thread

Threadbare arguments are very soporific . You people keep rehashing arguments so why bother address what has been addressed before . You guys have nothing else to do

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by Scholar8200(m): 5:21pm On Aug 13, 2016
kobosmalls:
Exodus 24:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

Compare.....
◄ 1 Timothy 6:16 ►
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen

God being all invisible and a spirit, which one do we consider right here?


Both are correct.

Here's what God HImself told Moses:
20 But, He said, You can not see My face, for no man shall see Me and live.
Exodus 33:20

And here He clarifies it:

My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Numbers 12:7,8

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by ayoku777(m): 5:30pm On Aug 13, 2016
kobosmalls:
Exodus 24:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

Compare.....
◄ 1 Timothy 6:16 ►
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen

God being all invisible and a spirit, which one do we consider right here?



You see, context is everything when it comes to understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Seeing God has levels of depth and measure.

When Jesus walked the earth, we can say everyone saw Him, but definitely not to the same measure and depth to which his twelve disciples, who ate and drank with Him and saw him walk on water and speak to storms, saw Him.

And even the twelve also didn't see Him to the measure and depth that the three (Peter, James and John), who followed Him to the Mount of transfiguration and to Gethsemane, saw Him.

That's because there are depths to seeing God.

So when Jesus said in;

Joh 1:18 - NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared Him.

You would think Jesus was contradicting scripture, since there were clear biblical accounts of Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc all seeing God.

Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Ezekiel 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.


But Jesus was talking about seeing God in the context of "The bosom (or Heart) of the Father". Who God really was at heart, or at His core.

At this depth of seeing God, Jesus was right; no man hath seen God. Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc might have seen God's form or a similitude of Him; but they truly have not seen God in the context that Jesus was referring -His heart. Only Jesus had seen the Father at that depth and declared Him.

We must have this similar context in mind when we read Paul's statement in;

1Ti 6:16 -Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Paul is equally correct, because no man has seen, nor can fully see God -in all His glory. Infact, we are going to spend the rest of eternity growing in our ability to behold and comprehend the glory of God, so that we can continually be changed into the image of it. And it will forever be an inexhaustible and infinite adventure.

So, the scriptures that said that men saw God, and the one that said no man hath seen God, and that no man can see God; are not contradictory verses, but complimentary; if we read and interprete them with the benefit of context.

It's true what they say about the scriptures;

"When you take the TEXT out of the CONTEXT, you're left with the CON"

-from where comes CONTRADICTIONS and CONFUSIONS.

Context matters a lot in understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Shalom

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by kobosmalls: 5:30pm On Aug 13, 2016
stephenmorris:
winner01 and kingebukanaija will never visit such thread
Exactly my brother because they have nothing to say here as it would make them appear foolish.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by kobosmalls: 5:35pm On Aug 13, 2016
ayoku777:


You see, context is everything when it comes to understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Seeing God has levels of depth and measure.

When Jesus walked the earth, we can say everyone saw Him, but definitely not to the same measure and depth to which his twelve disciples, who ate and drank with Him and saw him walk on water and speak to storms, saw Him.


And even the twelve also didn't see Him to the measure and depth that the three (Peter, James and John), who followed Him to the Mount of transfiguration and to Gethsemane, saw Him.

That's because there are depths to seeing God.

So when Jesus said in;

Joh 1:18 - NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared Him.

You would think Jesus was contradicting scripture, since there were clear biblical accounts of Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc all seeing God.

But Jesus was talking about seeing God in the context of "The bosom (or Heart) of the Father". Who God really was at heart, or at His core.

At this depth of seeing God, Jesus was right; no man hath seen God. Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc might have seen God's form or a similitude of Him; but they truly have not seen God in the context that Jesus was referring -His heart. Only Jesus had seen the Father at that depth and declared Him.

We must have this similar context in mind when we read Paul's statement in;

1Ti 6:16 -Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Paul is equally correct, because no man has seen, nor can fully see God -in all His glory. Infact, we are going to spend the rest of eternity growing in our ability to behold and comprehend the glory of God, so that we can continually be changed into the image of it. And it will forever be an inexhaustible and infinite adventure.

So, the scriptures that said that men saw God, and the one that said no man hath seen God, and that no man can see God; are not contradictory verses, but complimentary; if we read and interprete them with the benefit of context.

It's true what they say about the scriptures;

"When you take the TEXT out of the CONTEXT, you're left with the CON"

-from where comes CONTRADICTIONS and CONFUSIONS.

Context matters a lot in understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Shalom
Seeing god has levels of depth and measure.
That's where I got discouraged.
Aren't you ashamed of saying that?
I explicitly announced that you compare those verses but u didn't.
Please stop embarrassing itself by saying Jesus this and his disciples that.
Read those portions before writing unnecessary essays.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by promise10: 5:42pm On Aug 13, 2016
kobosmalls:
Seeing god has levels of depth and measure. That's where I got discouraged. Aren't you ashamed of saying that? I explicitly announced that you compare those verses but u didn't. Please stop embarrassing itself by saying Jesus this and his disciples that. Read those portions before writing unnecessary essays.
Foolish atheist love taking advantage of lie!

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by kobosmalls: 5:52pm On Aug 13, 2016
ayoku777:


You see, context is everything when it comes to understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Seeing God has levels of depth and measure.

When Jesus walked the earth, we can say everyone saw Him, but definitely not to the same measure and depth to which his twelve disciples, who ate and drank with Him and saw him walk on water and speak to storms, saw Him.

And even the twelve also didn't see Him to the measure and depth that the three (Peter, James and John), who followed Him to the Mount of transfiguration and to Gethsemane, saw Him.

That's because there are depths to seeing God.

So when Jesus said in;

Joh 1:18 - NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared Him.

You would think Jesus was contradicting scripture, since there were clear biblical accounts of Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc all seeing God.

But Jesus was talking about seeing God in the context of "The bosom (or Heart) of the Father". Who God really was at heart, or at His core.

At this depth of seeing God, Jesus was right; no man hath seen God. Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc might have seen God's form or a similitude of Him; but they truly have not seen God in the context that Jesus was referring -His heart. Only Jesus had seen the Father at that depth and declared Him.

We must have this similar context in mind when we read Paul's statement in;

1Ti 6:16 -Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Paul is equally correct, because no man has seen, nor can fully see God -in all His glory. Infact, we are going to spend the rest of eternity growing in our ability to behold and comprehend the glory of God, so that we can continually be changed into the image of it. And it will forever be an inexhaustible and infinite adventure.

So, the scriptures that said that men saw God, and the one that said no man hath seen God, and that no man can see God; are not contradictory verses, but complimentary; if we read and interprete them with the benefit of context.

It's true what they say about the scriptures;

"When you take the TEXT out of the CONTEXT, you're left with the CON"

-from where comes CONTRADICTIONS and CONFUSIONS.

Context matters a lot in understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Shalom
How can a book tell you that people saw someone and then tell you that you can't and that no one has ever seen that person and you a modern man is now trying to prove that there is no falsehood there.?

I wanted you Christians to show the level of indoctrination you were subjected to and you did just that.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by ifenes(m): 5:57pm On Aug 13, 2016
winner01:
9. Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel,
10. and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself

Sapphire is a precious stone similar to gold,therefore a pavement of sapphire can only mean the ground floor of the container or flying ship were made with Sapphire. I will say the space-craft/ship Yahweh used to travel around was made with precious stones mined from different planets.

Note; Abraham was said to have dined with three men,one of whom he recognized as a lord. Obviously after several encounters.

Ezekiel was another witness

The same ship the "so called lord" used to land on mount Sinai that exhumed lots of smoke and radiation?

The Bible accounts itself wasn't original and the original books never say these beings as god/gods. You mentioned Sapphire and never explained how it was obtained.







Two options:

1. The elders had some glimpse of the glory of God, though whatever they saw, it was something of which no image or picture could be made. Nothing is described but what was under his feet.
How do you see someone and the only description you have is the under of his feet.

Timothy was right: No one can see God and live, but one can see or behold the glory or the goodness of God.

Just like God told Moses later:
“I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. . . . But . . . you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live”.

But the same book claimed Abraham recognized this person you call god. How would he have recognized him if he hadn't seen his face?

2. They may also have seen a christophany (a pre-incarnate image of God). Jacob wrestled with such being, and it was said that he wrestled with God. We know its not possible to wrestle with God.

You said they may/might(which is your opinion but doesn't make it true) Jacob fought and won this god of yours in a wrestle fight? well what a weak god! Why would he hide his face in the first place and how did he do it? is there something to hide? Only a deceiver would do that. With magic or what?

I think you are only trying to hide the flaws of this god and maintain his super abilities,which clearly seem like an illusion to the cave men.

This is where the excuse of "no one can see god" has come from.

Your explanations are flawed. [/quote]

These are my opinions, others can give theirs.

I bet they are



Stephen, You wont see me on such threads cos the aim of such threads are mockery and nothing more. I'm in a lighter mood that why i have decided to oblige you. My sole intent on this section is being reflected in my threads. Thanks.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by Nobody: 6:02pm On Aug 13, 2016
Scholar8200:

Both are correct.

Here's what God HImself told Moses:
20 But, He said, You can not see My face, for no man shall see Me and live.
Exodus 33:20

And here He clarifies it:

My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Numbers 12:7,8


"And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend..."_ ( Exodus 33:11 )

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall
no man see me, and live. And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: and it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth
by, that I will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: and I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts; but my face shall not be seen."
( Exodus 33:20-23 )


In verse 11 we read that God spoke to Moses, face-to-
face. Yet in seeming contradiction, we have later God
telling Moses that he cannot see His face. Instead,
God decides to show Moses his back parts! "Back parts" ofcourse serves as a euphemism for "ass". In other words, God here says to Moses "thou shalt see my ass."

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by Scholar8200(m): 6:08pm On Aug 13, 2016
It was a Similitude and Moses had no issue with that because he knew (after all he wrote Numbers and the others).
Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by kobosmalls: 6:30pm On Aug 13, 2016
Scholar8200:
It was a Similitude and Moses had no issue with that because he knew (after all he wrote Numbers and the others).
Are you for or against?
Honestly I have no intentions of arguing this with anyone.
Its as stupid as a kid telling you that he's a helicopter and ur response is "hey good for you kid".
Christians are similar to those kids.
Imagine an adult believing that a sort of food called manna once fell from heaven ad that a man turned water into wine and was equally born without sex.
Where do I even begin .
Religion is just plain stupidity.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by kobosmalls: 6:35pm On Aug 13, 2016
ayoku777:


You see, context is everything when it comes to understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Seeing God has levels of depth and measure.

When Jesus walked the earth, we can say everyone saw Him, but definitely not to the same measure and depth to which his twelve disciples, who ate and drank with Him and saw him walk on water and speak to storms, saw Him.

And even the twelve also didn't see Him to the measure and depth that the three (Peter, James and John), who followed Him to the Mount of transfiguration and to Gethsemane, saw Him.

That's because there are depths to seeing God.

So when Jesus said in;

Joh 1:18 - NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared Him.

You would think Jesus was contradicting scripture, since there were clear biblical accounts of Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc all seeing God.

Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Ezekiel 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.


But Jesus was talking about seeing God in the context of "The bosom (or Heart) of the Father". Who God really was at heart, or at His core.

At this depth of seeing God, Jesus was right; no man hath seen God. Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc might have seen God's form or a similitude of Him; but they truly have not seen God in the context that Jesus was referring -His heart. Only Jesus had seen the Father at that depth and declared Him.

We must have this similar context in mind when we read Paul's statement in;

1Ti 6:16 -Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Paul is equally correct, because no man has seen, nor can fully see God -in all His glory. Infact, we are going to spend the rest of eternity growing in our ability to behold and comprehend the glory of God, so that we can continually be changed into the image of it. And it will forever be an inexhaustible and infinite adventure.

So, the scriptures that said that men saw God, and the one that said no man hath seen God, and that no man can see God; are not contradictory verses, but complimentary; if we read and interprete them with the benefit of context.

It's true what they say about the scriptures;

"When you take the TEXT out of the CONTEXT, you're left with the CON"

-from where comes CONTRADICTIONS and CONFUSIONS.

Context matters a lot in understanding and interpreting the scriptures.

Shalom
Did you even read the part that says that they ate and drank together or did you ignore it entirely?
How can you eat and drink with someone and yet you didn't see them ?
Please surprise me and say something intelligent.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by Scholar8200(m): 6:39pm On Aug 13, 2016
kobosmalls:

Are you for or against?
Honestly I have no intentions of arguing this with anyone.
Its as stupid as a kid telling you that he's a helicopter and ur response is "hey good for you kid".
Christians are similar to those kids.
Imagine an adult believing that a sort of food called manna once fell from heaven ad that a man turned water into wine and was equally born without sex.
Where do I even begin .
Religion is just plain stupidity.
alright

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by ifenes(m): 7:18pm On Aug 13, 2016
kobosmalls:

Did you even read the part that says that they ate and drank together or did you ignore it entirely?
How can you eat and drink with someone and yet you didn't see them ?
Please surprise me and say something intelligent.

This bold is the part that showed Christians don't know what they read. You cannot eat and drink with a faceless person.

And if the Christians god eats and drink,he will obviously shiit and piss. Now we are getting somewhere with an identity for this christian god.

Obviously the next question will be what the christian god looked like?

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by kobosmalls: 11:31pm On Aug 13, 2016
winner01:
9. Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel,
10. and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself


Two options:

1. The elders had some glimpse of the glory of God, though whatever they saw, it was something of which no image or picture could be made. Nothing is described but what was under his feet.
How do you see someone and the only description you have is the under of his feet.

Timothy was right: No one can see God and live, but one can see or behold the glory or the goodness of God.

Just like God told Moses later:
“I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. . . . But . . . you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live”.


2. They may also have seen a christophany (a pre-incarnate image of God). Jacob wrestled with such being, and it was said that he wrestled with God. We know its not possible to wrestle with God.

These are my opinions, others can give theirs.



Stephen, You wont see me on such threads cos the aim of such threads are mockery and nothing more. I'm in a lighter mood that why i have decided to oblige you. My sole intent on this section is being reflected in my threads. Thanks.
So there could be 3 possibilities right?
So the bible was fuzzy on that one.
Now if they didn't see him how come they ate and drank?
Or you skipped that part.
Please tell me.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by kobosmalls: 11:36pm On Aug 13, 2016
promise10:

Foolish atheist love taking advantage of lie!
Hello
What exactly did you mean?
Are you saying that the bible lied or that the guy I quoted lied?
Which one is it and the foolish I don't get too.
Are you bitter you can't explain what your bible said?
Don't hide, come out and play.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by kobosmalls: 11:47pm On Aug 13, 2016
Scholar8200:

Both are correct.

Here's what God HImself told Moses:
20 But, He said, You can not see My face, for no man shall see Me and live.
Exodus 33:20

And here He clarifies it:

My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Numbers 12:7,8

Those verses you quoted were narratives about his encounter with only moses after the 72 elders Aaron and moses ate and drank together with god.
My question lies with this one not that one you mentioned.
Put into account that god ate and drank with them.
It is impossible to eat and drink with a person without seeing him or her.
So, not only moses but along with the 72 elders were witnesses to this event.
Consider the vivid explanation they gave about what they saw.
Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by kobosmalls: 11:50pm On Aug 13, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Threadbare arguments are very soporific . You people keep rehashing arguments so why bother address what has been addressed before . You guys have nothing else to do
So please explain if they saw god or not.
I missed the former thread if there was any.
And look at this too.
How do you defend this?

Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by kobosmalls: 12:04am On Aug 14, 2016
promise10:

@stephenmorris Stop deluding yourself, thinking that without this persons, the word of God cannot be defended. Wake up please!

@OP, NO MAN HAD EVER SEEN GOD. Even John 1:18 confirms this to us as well. So it's not a coincidence in timothy, but A FACT.

John 1:18;"18 No man hath seen God AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

So, even moses NEVER, NEVER, NEVER saw God.

What he saw was the GLORY OF GOD through angels.

As a matter of fact, moses never saw God in the burning bush what he saw was an ANGEL, by the authority of God.

Acts 7:35;"35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand OF THE ANGEL WHICH APPEARED TO HIM IN THE BURNING BUSH."

As a matter of fact, God never ordained the law BY HIMSELF PHYSICALLY, but it was ordained by angels by God's authority.

Gal 3:19;" Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and IT(law) WAS ORDAINED BY ANGELS in the hand of a mediator(moses under law)"


As a matter of fact, God NEVER SPOKE the law BY HIS OWN MOUTH, but through angels.

Heb 2:2; "For if the word(law) SPOKEN BY ANGELS was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;"

Note: it is only under the law one receives the punishment one deserves.

AS a matter of fact, God NEVER deposited the law SINGLE-HANDEDLY BY HIMSELF. It was deposited through angels.

Acts 7:52-53;"52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have RECEIVED THE LAW BY THE DISPOSITION OF ANGELS and have not kept it."

So, the law was given all through angels BY THE AUTHORITY OF GOD.

Now, in the old testament, you may see something like "And the lord appeared..., and the lord spoke..." And many more, it doesn't mean that God HIMSELF PHYSICALLY APPEARED, but he appeared THROUGH A MEDIUM, most times, through angels.



Please stop using words that don't match what you mean to say.
What's delusional about pointing out flaws in a purely controversial work of fiction?
Arent you the deluded one trying to defend the indefensible?
How on earth would a sane man try to convince another that moses and 72 elders seeing god meant that they just saw some representation of god(angel)?
So god did not direct moses to write that he and his company saw him by specifically mentioning"the God of Israel"?
Was that not inspired of god?
And why didn't that place specifically say that they saw an angel representing god?
Or at least that they saw his glory.
This is a no brainer.
I ate and drank with you alongside 72 others and you still want to claim that I didn't see you.
Those verses made it clear that they saw the god of Israel... "They saw god" was a phrase there.
Please this delusion of a word is getting annoying so stop using it because you are distorting its meaning just as you are rewriting the bible with your own inspiration.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by Zoharariel(m): 1:03am On Aug 14, 2016
ifenes:


This bold is the part that showed Christians don't know what they read. You cannot eat and drink with a faceless person.

And if the Christians god eats and drink,he will obviously shiit and piss. Now we are getting somewhere with an identity for this christian god.

Obviously the next question will be what the christian god looked like?

Tanx for your concise post but what can we do than to keep educating them. grin


* 2109 B.C. Enlil ordered Moses up Mt. Sinai, landed his rocket (space ship) on the mount and, with an amplifier, told, the Israelites to reject all other Nibiran gods, spend every seventh day worshiping him, subjugate women and kids, refrain from murder, adultery, theft and false witness.

They must not, he demanded, crave others’ homes, wives, slaves and property. He gave Moses stone tablets he’d inscribed with his commandments and showed him how to build a temple and an Ark of the Covenant for the tablets.

Above the tablet drawer in the Ark, Moses must build a Talk-To-Enlil communicator (sporting two gold cherubs). Through the Ark, they could message Enlil, pose their question, and get his “Yes” or “No” answers.

* 2024 B.C. Enlil revealed he knew where Enki’d hidden Alalu’s nukes. With Anu’s approval, Ninurta (Enlil's 1st son) nuked Sinai; Nergal nuked Sodom, Gomorra, and made the Dead Sea dead.

Sumerian refugees fled throughout the Mediterranean and along the Volga to Geogia, Sumara, Finland and along the Danube to Dacia, Hungary as well as to India and the Far East.

* 2023 B.C. Nuclear fallout blew over and killed all Sumer, but not Bablylon. Marduk, now supreme, declared Babylon Sumer’s capital.

* 2016, B.C. For forty days, with a crystal-tipped electrum stylus, Endubscar, Master Scribe of Eridu, Sumer, wrote on a lapis lazuli tablet what his boss, Enki–a seven-foot tall man who served as Chief Scientist for a goldmining expedition to Earth from the planet Nibiru–dictated.

Enki stayed out of Endubscar’s sight. Endubscar’s narrative, compiled from data Zecharia Sitchin retrieved from the Eridu Genesis, the Atra Hasis and the Epic of Gilgamesh to create, The Lost Book of Enki, the main source for Free Humanity.

* 331 B.C. Alexander The Great reached Babylon in and rushed to the ziggurat temple to grasp the hands of Marduk as conquerors before him had done. But the great god was dead. Alexander saw Marduk’s body preserved in oils in his ziggurat.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by HCpaul(m): 1:41am On Aug 14, 2016
we are getting there already.
Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by malvisguy212: 7:15am On Aug 14, 2016
kobosmalls:
Exodus 24:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

Compare.....
◄ 1 Timothy 6:16 ►
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen

God being all invisible and a spirit, which one do we consider right here?
Please consider and discuss the issue that this meme raises.

according to the passage, They saw God, BUT God say "No man can see my FACE and Live" it is clear, base on other passage of the scripture, what these people saw
was not the essence of God, but rather a visual
representation of the glory of God. Even when
Moses asked to see God’s glory (Ex. 33:18–23), it
was only a likeness of God which Moses saw
Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by malvisguy212: 7:23am On Aug 14, 2016
AmenRa1:


"And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend..."_ ( Exodus 33:11 )

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall
no man see me, and live. And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: and it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth
by, that I will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: and I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts; but my face shall not be seen."
( Exodus 33:20-23 )


In verse 11 we read that God spoke to Moses, face-to-
face. Yet in seeming contradiction, we have later God
telling Moses that he cannot see His face. Instead,
God decides to show Moses his back parts! "Back parts" ofcourse serves as a euphemism for "ass". In other words, God here says to Moses "thou shalt see my ass."
God didn't literally talk face to face with Moses, for no man can see God's face and live (Exodus
33:20). This is a figurative expression intended to convey the intimacy of their relationship that is captured in the phrase, in verse 11 " AS A MAN SPEAKETH UNTO HIS FRIEND"

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by veekid(m): 9:59am On Aug 14, 2016
Go ask your pastor, here resemble church?

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by mrssamson(f): 10:00am On Aug 14, 2016
Moses saw God as a spirit
Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by visijo(m): 10:00am On Aug 14, 2016
moses didn't see God.. That version of bible is not the real bible. Check king James version, that is the correct bible for a true christian... Moses could have been the only man to see God, but he didn't see God.. So dont be misguided by those new world order bibles..

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by Nobody: 10:01am On Aug 14, 2016
The bible is self contradictory. Many places don't add up.

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Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by MadCow1: 10:02am On Aug 14, 2016
Moses was just a high man..

See wetin?

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