victorazy:
Absolutely YES!
Unless your special to Him and his grace is on you (covenant) may not really by you, but from your forefather and God respect covenants and keeps his word. He never fails only man disapoints.

For babies:
Every litle baby is with innocent soul until the first day their heart commit sin. How? That day they tell lie AGAINST someone or curse another.

Babies remains innocent. It is the duty for the parents to take care of them. The blood of a child is on his parent's head, YES.

When an innocent child died his spirit and destiny will be recycled because they came with no sin and died with no sin.

Kindly provide biblical references to your statements about babies.
Thanks.

seguno2:


I thought that Jesus Christ is the Lord and saviour himself. Is He no longer so?

YeS! But he came as flesh and blood that's why Satan have to temp him too

Another person is Enok
Another is Elija etc
These men were holy and their way pleased God and He had no choice than to elevate them into heaven with their mortal body like Jesus (amazing)

seguno2:


Therefore it is futile and tantamount to LAZINESS for anyone to focus/dwell on finding out God's will rather than plan/work to the BEST of his God-given capacity.
Only fools choose to be LAZY, expecting equally foolish people to give them money that they have worked and laboured for, as they wait to receive their revelation of God's will for them.
I have chosen not to be foolish.

go out n work n he shall bless the works of thy hands : Jer 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

seguno2:


It is LAZINESS to concern/worry yourself about the will of God that you cannot control or change instead of giving your BEST to any plan/endeavour you are engaged in.
That is what the vast majority of people in developed societies that we run to are doing, not so?
I read Ephesians 5:17. Tell me, what do you think about it that you want me to understand?
Thanks.

I admire and appreciate your openness bro... Now to Ephesians 5:17. The scriptures encouraged us to understand God's will. I get ur point about developed countries and all that.... Nevertheless, knowing and understanding God's will doesn't necessarily stop us from exerting ourselves and putting our best efforts in the issues of life. God's knowledge guides us in the right path but it doesn't mean we have to be lazy and expect angels take responsibilities for the things we are to do. I get ur point point Bro but there is a balance.

victorazy:
YeS! But he came as flesh and blood that's why Satan have to temp him too

Another person is Enok
Another is Elija etc
These men were holy and their way pleased God and He had no choice than to elevate them into heaven with their mortal body like Jesus (amazing)

There are no DETAILS about Enoch and Elijah's lives to conclude that they followed ALL your specifications from the earlier post.
BTW, Elijah is also a great person to the Muslims in the Koran:

The Qur'an and certain Islamic traditions describe Elijah as a great and righteous man of God who preached powerfully against the worship of Baal. Due to his importance to Muslims, Catholics and Orthodox Christians, Elijah has been venerated as the patron saint of Bosnia and Herzegovina since 1752.

Extracted from: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah

seguno2:


How do you "allow God take charge"? Please can you explain in practical, detailed terms?
Is the Jer. 29:11 that you quoted applicable to ALL children of God, made in His image or not?

A typical example is the issue of marriage. Ideally, everyone have preferences. Tall, dark, handsome, God fearing, fair skinned lady, educated, tall, beautiful, God fearing, etc. These are a few of the preferences we tend to unconsciously ask God for before choosing a partner and we tend to place our search perimeter around these preferences.

For someone who is mature and closely walk with God, you would say 'God, kindly lead me and choose for me.' In cases I've witnessed in people around me, they're 'embarrassed' with something far below their expectations.

A good example of this happened to Jonah. He had his will and so did God. God's will was for Nineveh to repent and turn from their ways; Jonah's will was to run away because the people are terrible. However, God made Jonah bend to His will in the end. We all know what happened afterwards. We all sing 'All to Jesus I surrender' everytime, yet we don't really mean it.

To answer your question fully, to allow God take would mean to shove your interest aside and realize that God's plan is just and fulfilling, far beyond ours. Beating the flesh under subjection is crucial here to get to this level.

Jer 29:11 is not for ALL created by God. As a matter of fact, it is not for all Christians, but for those who would allow God take charge. Those who have given up their will for God's. Some people have missed it in life all because they fell out of God's ultimate plan for them. The moment you truly understand Jer 29:11, I mean deeply, you'd have no issues with giving up to God's will because you can hold Him by His word. And yes, God can never fail on His word.

destinedtee:
I admire and appreciate your openness bro... Now to Ephesians 5:17. The scriptures encouraged us to understand God's will. I get ur point about developed countries and all that.... Nevertheless, knowing and understanding God's will doesn't necessarily stop us from exerting ourselves and putting our best efforts in the issues of life. God's knowledge guides us in the right path but it doesn't mean we have to be lazy and expect angels take responsibilities for the things we are to do. I get ur point point Bro but there is a balance.

Thanks too.
Do you think that we, black people, have the balance between seeking to understand God's will and being dedicated to putting in our BEST for any plan and work/action that we engage with?
If it is not balanced, why is it not and how can we balance it?

seguno2:


Kindly provide biblical references to your statements about babies.
Thanks.

I don't know the Bible explanations you need, but I want to tell you is that children came from God and go back to God.

As human and living thing, we grow day by day so our spirits and soul grows.

Man has:
1. Spirit (this is the atom of God in man)
2. Soul (this is value in man)
3. Body (this is just sand)

When we grow as human, the soul grow too like the meter tor chart, either to the spirit (God) or body (sin).

For babies they don't have sin, they are still more of spirits (God)

Sanchez01:

A typical example is the issue of marriage. Ideally, everyone have preferences. Tall, dark, handsome, God fearing, fair skinned lady, educated, tall, beautiful, God fearing, etc. These are a few of the preferences we tend to unconsciously ask God for before choosing a partner and we tend to place our search perimeter around these preferences.

For someone who is mature and closely walk with God, you would say 'God, kindly lead me and choose for me.' In cases I've witnessed in people around me, they're 'embarrassed' with something far below their expectations.

A good example of this happened to Jonah. He had his will and so did God. God's will was for Nineveh to repent and turn from their ways; Jonah's will was to run away because the people are terrible. However, God made Jonah bend to His will in the end. We all know what happened afterwards. We all sing 'All to Jesus I surrender' everytime, yet we don't really mean it.

To answer your question fully, to allow God take would mean to shove your interest aside and realize that God's plan is just and fulfilling, far beyond ours. Beating the flesh under subjection is crucial here to get to this level.

Jer 29:11 is not for ALL created by God. As a matter of fact, it is not for all Christians, but for those who would allow God take charge. Those who have given up their will for God's. Some people have missed it in life all because they fell out of God's ultimate plan for them. The moment you truly understand Jer 29:11, I mean deeply, you'd have no issues with giving up to God's will because you can hold Him by His word. And yes, God can never fail on His word.

As you showed in Jonah's story, God is all-powerful to ensure His will prevails in any circumstance irrespective of our efforts to deviate.
Was Jonah putting in his BEST effort?

It is in this regard that I believe in putting my BEST effort to planning and working since I fully understand that God's will shall surely prevail.

seguno2:


There are no DETAILS about Enoch and Elijah's lives to conclude that they followed ALL your specifications from the earlier post.
BTW, Elijah is also a great person to the Muslims in the Koran:

Bros visit your Bible, the details are there.
Gen. 5:24 (Enoch walked with God and like God)
Abraham is God's best friend.
Lazarus was Jesus best friend. "Show me your friend and I will tell u who u r"

victorazy:
I don't know the Bible explanations you need, but I want to tell you is that children came from God and go back to God.

As human and living thing, we grow day by day so our spirits and soul grows.

Man has:
1. Spirit (this is the atom of God in man)
2. Soul (this is value in man)
3. Body (this is just sand)

When we grow as human, the soul grow too like the meter tor chart, either to the spirit (God) or body (sin).

For babies they don't have sin, they are still more of spirits (God)

What you have up there is based on your interpretation of what you know so far, presumably from the Bible (only?).
I am asking you for specific passages that you interpreted to write your comment.
I hope you get it now.
Cheers.

victorazy:
Bros visit your Bible, the details are there.
Gen. 5:24 (Enoch walked with God and like God)

You obviously don't know what the word "details" mean, so I will stop with you here.
Happy Sunday.

seguno2:


You obviously don't know what the word "details" mean, so I will stop with you here.
Happy Sunday.

Tnx bro.
Happy sunday too.

(You must be a lawyer)
I don't know the detail u want after been told that someone walked with God. Maybe no one is in heaven as righteous person. Bye bro.

Spells:
go out n work n he shall bless the works of thy hands : Jer 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

Thanks again.
However many don't understand the need to go out and work in ALL areas, foolishly waiting to know God's will for them before they act.
Dem go wait tire.
For example, if you like fine, pretty babe or handsome loaded guy, work hard to get her/him and if it is not God's will for you, He will surely direct you to your own as He is still all-powerful.

seguno2:


Thanks again.
However many don't understand the need to go out and work in ALL areas, foolishly waiting to know God's will for them before they act.
Dem go wait tire.
For example, if you like fine, pretty babe or handsome loaded guy, work hard to get her/him and if it is not God's will for you, He will surely direct you to your own as He is still all-powerful.

Thanks too Bro... May God continue giving us better insights about he's words... Blissful Sunday to u. GOD bless

seguno2:


As you showed in Jonah's story, God is all-powerful to ensure His will prevails in any circumstance irrespective of our efforts to deviate.
Was Jonah putting in his BEST effort?

It is in this regard that I believe in putting my BEST effort to planning and working since I fully understand that God's will shall surely prevail.

Don't get it mixed in any way. God gives us the grace of choice everytime. However, when He decides to use you against all odds, He will. But then, He has substitutes for everyone He uses. 1Kings 19:18 confirms this. One thing is to live your life another is to execute a task given by God.

Sanchez01:
Don't get it mixed in any way. God gives us the grace of choice everytime. However, when He decides to use you against all odds, He will. But then, He has substitutes for everyone He uses. 1Kings 19:18 confirms this. One thing is to live your life another is to execute a task given by God.

I thought that the Bible said that God knows everything and ALL that we will do in this world even when we are in our mother's womb.
Is that no longer true?

seguno2:


I thought that the Bible said that God knows everything and ALL that we will do in this world even when we are in our mother's womb.
Is that no longer true?

Of course, He does. The point of reserving substitutes is to teach others. And me bringing it up was a pointer to the fact that no man is indispensable. Elijah was certain he was the only one who was true and faithful to God and the only servant of God in the land but God shocked him by telling him that there are 7000 reserves to take his place. The essence of that story is, God using us is just an opportunity and there are many who would take our place should we fall out of His plans for us.

Sanchez01:
Of course, He does. The point of reserving substitutes is to teach others. And me bringing it up was a pointer to the fact that no man is indispensable. Elijah was certain he was the only one who was true and faithful to God and the only servant of God in the land but God shocked him by telling him that there are 7000 reserves to take his place. The essence of that story is, God using us is just an opportunity and there are many who would take our place should we fall out of His plans for us.

Again, why should "we fall out of His plans for us" when He is all-powerful, omnipotent and omnipresent omniscience God?
Did He not know that we will fall out of that particular plan or what exactly are you saying about God's capacity?

seguno2:


Again, why should "we fall out of His plans for us" when He is all-powerful, omnipotent and omnipresent omniscience God?
Did He not know that we will fall out of that particular plan or what exactly are you saying about God's capacity?

Contrary to the belief of most Atheists,God does not impose on us. He has and will always put before us options and the ability to take either of the path rest with us. Proverbs 14:12 says

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There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.

And this was the very same reason Christ came to persuade and not force us to embrace Him.
John 14 confirms this;

I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If y

Sanchez01:

Contrary to the belief of most Atheists,God does not impose on us. He has and will always put before us options and the ability to take either of the path rest with us. Proverbs 14:12 says

And this was the very same reason Christ came to persuade and not force us to embrace Him.
John 14 confirms this;

Are you implying that God is not omnipotent?

I just pray for his grace. I just tell him "God, let your will be done in my life today. I hand over everything to you. You alone knows the best. Give me the patient to wait for your will all day. Protect my family and friends. Bless those who blesses me. Help those who helps me. Forgive those who curses me. Amen.

How can Jesus' will be different from Yahweh's?

'Let this cup pass from me, but not my will, but thine.'

[quote author=menxer post=48667332]If the Bible says "in him we live, move and have our being" is it then possible to have a will outside his will?

So doing something to better yourself may be going out of God's will? If that is the case, why seek medical help for an illness or handicap one was born with since it amounts to going out of the original will of God?

Can a thread see its place in a tapestry or the grand design? Your will is like a thread in the tapestry which is God's will.
Your will is a subset of God's will. [/quo

it is possible to have our will outside His will

doing things to improve yourself, like going for medical attention is not out of God's will, because His will for us is to be in good health

Sanchez01:
Let me add to the OPs post. There are two kinds of will; the perfect will and the submissive will.

The perfect will is when God takes charge and in turn, one asks God to take over without habouring thoughts or options. For example, 'God, please, take charge totally. Direct my affairs and direct my thoughts and actions. '

The submissive will, on the other hand, is when we have a choice or options and want God to align with what we have. For example, 'God, please, I love Jane and would love us to have a Godly, Happy home that would come to fear you, even as we walk in love.'

Both Wills cannot run together in one person. You cannot say you're giving everything to God one minute and you're trying to make decisions for yourself while putting God in it.


Humans are imperfect but God often gives us the grace of choice on certain issues. Sometimes, God could take the back seat if someone, who instead of relying on Him, make certain decisions based on the physical eyes or on shallow grounds.

Very correct and well said sir! Buh I think it's "perfect will and permissive will"

liztemi:


Very correct and well said sir! Buh I think it's "perfect will and permissive will"

So was it Jesus' Perfect Will or his permissive will that wanted the Cup to pass from him?

PastorAIO:


So was it Jesus' Perfect Will or his permissive will that wanted the Cup to pass from him?

It's jesus permissive will

liztemi:


Very correct and well said sir! Buh I think it's "perfect will and permissive will"

Thanks. And you're correct. The word is Permissive and not Submissive as earlier mentioned. Thanks for the correction.

All is The Will of God.

orisa37:
All is The Will of God.

I often ask if an omnipotent being can have it's will thwarted in any way by another will.