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Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by Nobody: 1:27pm On Sep 27, 2016
DoctorAlien:


Man does not embark on any journey he knows would result surely in failure. The robber goes to rob because he believes he will succeed. Sure, he knows that he could be caught, be he hopes he isn't. And so for each time robber carries his gun to rob, he believes he will succeed, even though it could go wrong.
But god does? undecided
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by DoctorAlien(m): 1:32pm On Sep 27, 2016
AnonyNymous:

But god does? undecided

Refer to the three basic points I said y'all should note.

GOD, too, does not embark on a journey He knows would surely result in failure. Man could have obeyed GOD, and there would have been no sin today, and certainly no atheist like you. But it went wrong. Man disobeyed.

The good news is that the project called "man" has not failed, because GOD is not a failure. GOD has redeemed man from sin and death by giving up Jesus Christ. So, we can safely say GOD embarks only on journeys in which He would succeed.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by Nobody: 1:45pm On Sep 27, 2016
DoctorAlien:


Refer to the three basic points I said y'all should note.

GOD, too, does not embark on a journey He knows would surely result in failure. Man could have obeyed GOD, and there would have been no sin today, and certainly no atheist like you. But it went wrong. Man disobeyed.

The good news is that the project called "man" has not failed, because GOD is not a failure. GOD has redeemed man from sin and death by giving up Jesus Christ. So, we can safely say GOD embarks only on journeys in which He would succeed.
First of all, stop assuming I'm an atheist. It gets annoying. Because of this I specifically created a thread this morning to clarify it. Thank you. https://www.nairaland.com/3373615/musings-agnostic-deist

Next, you said god does not embark on a mission he knows would fail, right? But at the time of the flood, it was evident that man 'failed'. So why did god embark on that mission? Killing millions of people out of regret? Regret is an indicator of nor knowing. An omniscient being isn't capable of regret, yet, your bible explicitly states that god expressed that emotion.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by DoctorAlien(m): 1:56pm On Sep 27, 2016
AnonyNymous:

First of all, stop assuming I'm an atheist. It gets annoying. Because of this I specifically created a thread this morning to clarify it. Thank you. https://www.nairaland.com/3373615/musings-agnostic-deist

Next, you said god does not embark on a mission he knows would fail, right? But at the time of the flood, it was evident that man 'failed'. So why did god embark on that mission? Killing millions of people out of regret? Regret is an indicator of nor knowing. An omniscient being isn't capable of regret, yet, your bible explicitly states that god expressed that emotion.

The bolded statement: who said so?

The project man has not failed. If it did, GOD would have terminated it since. In fact, the project man has succeeded, because of Jesus Christ.

Read the Bible and you will understand.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by Nobody: 2:00pm On Sep 27, 2016
DoctorAlien:


The bolded statement: who said so?

The project man has not failed. If it did, GOD would have terminated it since. In fact, the project man has succeeded, because of Jesus Christ.

Read the Bible and you will understand.
When you are omniscient, you cannot regret because you already know when where and how everything will happen. Just like I explained with the case of the robber. If you deny this despite the clear example I gave then I will have to call go intellectual honesty into question.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by DoctorAlien(m): 2:17pm On Sep 27, 2016
AnonyNymous:

When you are omniscient, you cannot regret because you already know when where and how everything will happen. Just like I explained with the case of the robber. If you deny this despite the clear example I gave then I will have to call go intellectual honesty into question.

Robbers don't regret their actions because they knew they'd be caught: they regret their actions because they are caught. They would be boasting and rejoicing about the same act if they are not caught.

GOD created man with a choice to obey Him or disobey Him. Obedience to GOD will ensure happiness and bliss while disobedience will introduce sin and death. GOD wished man would obey Him. He made provision, anyway, should man choose to disobey. He loves man so much He doesn't want him to perish.

Still the ball is in man's court: to choose whether to perish or not.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by Nobody: 2:21pm On Sep 27, 2016
DoctorAlien:


Robbers don't regret their actions because they knew they'd be caught: they regret their actions because they are caught. They would be boasting and rejoicing about the same act if they are not caught.

GOD created man with a choice to obey Him or disobey Him. Obedience to GOD will ensure happiness and bliss while disobedience will introduce sin and death. GOD wished man would obey Him. He made provision, anyway, should man choose to disobey. He loves man so much He doesn't want him to perish.

Still the ball is in man's court: to choose whether to perish or not.
In other words, you're saying god did not know whether man would obey or disobey? Then he is not omniscient.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by DoctorAlien(m): 2:23pm On Sep 27, 2016
AnonyNymous:

In other words, you're saying god did not know whether man would obey or disobey? Then he is not omniscient.

What would you have GOD do if He knew man was going to sin?
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by Nobody: 2:25pm On Sep 27, 2016
DoctorAlien:


What would you have GOD do if He knew man was going to sin?
Strawman argument. That is not the question at hand. Answer my question. Did god know, or not that they would sin?

-If he knew then he would not regret

-If he didn't know then he isn't omniscient.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by raphieMontella: 2:26pm On Sep 27, 2016
Doctoralien,
Which was jesus last words on the cross?
Luke 23:46?
Or john 19:30?.

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Does yahweh ever get tired?
Exodus 31:17 yes
isaiah 40:28 no.

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when was jesus crucified?
The third hour(9am) mark 15:25
Or the sixth hour(12pm)john 19:14-16?.

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Is god an author of confusion?
1 corinthians 14:33 No
Genesis 11:7-9 Yes.

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How many blind men did jesus heal on the road to jericho?
Matthew 20:29 two
Mark10:46-47 one
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by DoctorAlien(m): 2:28pm On Sep 27, 2016
AnonyNymous:

Strawman argument. That is not the question at hand. Answer my question. Did god know, or not that they would sin?

-If he knew then he would not regret

-If he didn't know then he isn't omniscient.

Before we continue, go back and read that passage again that says GOD regretted making man. There was a reason given there why He regretted making man. Write it here.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by Nobody: 2:35pm On Sep 27, 2016
DoctorAlien:


Before we continue, go back and read that passage again that says GOD regretted making man. There was a reason given there why He regretted making man. Write it here.
Genesis 6:5 New International Version: The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.
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Now this is the reason. It says your lord 'saw his great the wickedness . . . ' . Which means it was after seeing it, that he started to have feelings of regret. Implying that he did not know man would turn out that way. That points towards the second option, i.e he is NOT omniscient.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by DoctorAlien(m): 2:45pm On Sep 27, 2016
raphieMontella:
Doctoralien,
Which was jesus last words on the cross? Luke 23:46? Or john 19:30?.

It is pertinent to note that neither Luke nor John explicitly says that what they reported was Jesus last words. The seven words of Jesus are compiled not from one gospel but the four of them. However, I can say that the last words of Jesus were "Father into your hand I commend my spirit" because that is a prayer. He began His ministry with prayer and ended it with prayer. Also, Luke 23:46 says Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and then commended His spirit into His Father's hand. We don't know what he said in that cry. It might be "it is finished" but surely it doesn't matter much in our race towards Heaven.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by DoctorAlien(m): 2:50pm On Sep 27, 2016
AnonyNymous:

Genesis 6:5 New International Version: The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.
***
Now this is the reason. It says your lord 'saw his great the wickedness . . . ' . Which means it was after seeing it, that he started to have feelings of regret. Implying that he did not know man would turn out that way. That points towards the second option, i.e he is NOT omniscient.

I'm happy you quoted that verse. Now, this is what man has become and compare it with what GOD planned for man. Is there no cause for regret?

GOD knew that once man sinned, evil will beget evil and it will continue. How is GOD no omniscient?
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by Nobody: 2:53pm On Sep 27, 2016
DoctorAlien:


I'm happy you quoted that verse. Now, this is what man has become and compare it with what GOD planned for man. Is there no cause for regret?

GOD knew that once man sinned, evil will beget evil and it will continue. How is GOD no omniscient?
You still don't get it. Omniscience is knowledge of everything, past future presnt. You say god planned for man to be good, but man turned out bad. If god was omniscient, he would already know that man would turn out bad, hence no reason to have regret.
If you plan to eat rice, and go ahead to cook beans, when the beans is ready you cannot have regret that you're eating cooked beans instead of rice.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by DoctorAlien(m): 2:55pm On Sep 27, 2016
raphieMontella:
Does yahweh ever get tired?
Exodus 31:17 yes
isaiah 40:28 no.

LOL. I was expecting this. GOD rested after creating everything not because He was tired or exhausted. GOD cannot be tired. The verb "shabath" means literally "to cease" from labour or activity. GOD's rest was a cessation from previous occupation.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by DoctorAlien(m): 3:14pm On Sep 27, 2016
raphieMontella:
when was jesus crucified?
The third hour(9am) mark 15:25
Or the sixth hour(12pm)john 19:14-16?.

Jesus Christ was crucified around 9 am. Mark reckoned the time according to the Jewish system of counting time, where the day began at sunrise(6 am). The 3rd hour from then would be 9 am.

The Gospel of John was written near the close of the century, and mostly to Gentile believers. And so in that text, it seems John used the Roman system of recording time where the day began at midnight (12 am), although in other places, he seems to reckon time from sunrise (see Jn. 4.6, 52; 11:9). The 6th hour from 12 am then would be 6 am.

In Jn. 19:14, the trial was still going on(6 am). The Jews had already condemned Jesus at night but Pilate needed to confirm the verdict during the day for it to stand. It continued until Jesus was crucified by 9 am.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by DoctorAlien(m): 3:27pm On Sep 27, 2016
raphieMontella:
Is god an author of confusion?
1 corinthians 14:33 No
Genesis 11:7-9 Yes

1 Cor. 14:33 says GOD is not an author of confusion but of peace as in all churches of the saints. This verse seals the harmony of the Bible. GOD does not breed confusion around Himself, nor does confusion exist where He is. His message is coherent, and so are His plans. So, no confusion should be in His Church.

However, GOD can cause confusion in the camp of enemies and those who gather against Him to scatter them. The men at Babel gathered themselves against GOD, to rebel. GOD scattered them by confusing their languages. They could no longer continue with their rebellion.

In 2 Chron. 20:22-23, GOD also caused confusion in the camp of the armies who came to attack Jehoshaphat. Here again, GOD sends confusion into the camp of the enemies to scatter their plans.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by yorhmienerd(m): 3:27pm On Sep 27, 2016
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Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by DoctorAlien(m): 3:41pm On Sep 27, 2016
raphieMontella:
How many blind men did jesus heal on the road to jericho?
Matthew 20:29 two
Mark10:46-47 one

The four gospels are complementary. One does not record everything that happened. We read the four of them to get a more complete picture of Jesus' life.

Matthew gives an account of Jesus healing two men, without naming them. Mark reports that same incidence, and evidently knew one of the men who were healed, and so gave his name "...blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus..." (Mark 10:46).

Both accounts are correct as they give additional information. Matthew says nothing about them begging, but Mark does.

The fact that these accounts differ a little is proof that these writers did not copy one another, as hypocrites and infidels and skeptics like you would say had the accounts been exactly the same.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by felixomor: 4:28pm On Sep 27, 2016
hopefulLandlord:


octopus Paul guessed some matches wrong

which kain analogy be dis now?

Exactly, bxos it clearly punches ur thought.
Besides,
Thats not the issue, dont attack octopus paul.
The issue is he foretold events before it happened.
There are other pple who have also foretold events before they came to pass.
Octopus is just an example.
There r others.

And a reminder that u hav not answered ur question on the meaning of "omniscient".
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by felixomor: 4:44pm On Sep 27, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
I hope you know this is a very foolish analogy. Octopus Paul guessed rightly. Not all his guesses were correct. Don't tell me you believe that the Octopus had super powers.

Why didnt u go and do what he did?

This is the typical atheist behavior that irks.
Someobody does something extraordinary, u wait for the person to finish it.
Then u sit down on the internet and start saying it happened by chance.

How much have u won in predicting strings of games?
Why dont u go n do it, if its easy.

Besides i can see u av switched to attacking octopus paul to make the matter long.
Alas, i can now see that we r far away from the original question of the scripture on David.
As usual.

Well, That was just an example.
There are other people who have also prophecied in the past and it came to pass.
So the question will still hold if u still consider the fulfilled prophecies of those other examples too.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by CoolUsername: 4:59pm On Sep 27, 2016
felixomor:


Why didnt u go and do what he did?

This is the typical atheist behavior that irks.
Someobody does something extraordinary, u wait for the person to finish it.
Then u sit down on the internet and start saying it happened by chance.

How much have u won in predicting strings of games?
Why dont u go n do it, if its easy.

Besides i can see u av switched to attacking octopus paul to make the matter long.
Alas, i can now see that we r far away from the original question of the scripture on David.
As usual.

Well, That was just an example.
There are other people who have also prophecied in the past and it came to pass.
So the question will still hold if u still consider the fulfilled prophecies of those other examples too.

Ad hominem. I love it. Your analogy doesn't stand because Octopus Paul was wrong a few times and therefore isn't omniscient. You say God is omniscient meaning that he knew the decision that David was going to make. Simple!
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by felixomor: 5:13pm On Sep 27, 2016
CoolUsername:


Ad hominem. I love it. Your analogy doesn't stand because Octopus Paul was wrong a few times and therefore isn't omniscient. You say God is omniscient meaning that he knew the decision that David was going to make. Simple!

What is "omniscient"?
U r still running from the question cool
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by Nobody: 5:17pm On Sep 27, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Did God know that Adam and Eve were going to sin. A yes or no would do.
GOD knew they would sin.. So what do u wanna say next?
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by CoolUsername: 5:27pm On Sep 27, 2016
felixomor:


What is "omniscient"?
U r still running from the question cool

It means 'all knowing'. As in every single thing. It implies omnipotence too. It is obviously an irrational concept to me.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by CoolUsername: 5:28pm On Sep 27, 2016
Smallville10:
GOD knew they would sin.. So what do u wanna say next?

So why is he punishing ask their ancestors for something that they had no control over.
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by felixomor: 5:30pm On Sep 27, 2016
CoolUsername:


It means 'all knowing'. As in every single thing. It implies omnipotence too. It is obviously an irrational concept to me.

U see urself. No wonder u av problem with the word.
It doesn't imply omnipotent.
And even omnipotent doesnt imply all-doing.
So go study
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by Ranchhoddas: 5:30pm On Sep 27, 2016
felixomor:


Why didnt u go and do what he did?

This is the typical atheist behavior that irks.
Someobody does something extraordinary, u wait for the person to finish it.
Then u sit down on the internet and start saying it happened by chance.

How much have u won in predicting strings of games?
Why dont u go n do it, if its easy.

Besides i can see u av switched to attacking octopus paul to make the matter long.
Alas, i can now see that we r far away from the original question of the scripture on David.
As usual.

Well, That was just an example.
There are other people who have also prophecied in the past and it came to pass.
So the question will still hold if u still consider the fulfilled prophecies of those other examples too.
You call what Paul is doing extraordinary, something he has a fifty percent chance of getting correctly. He fails some as any other other person would and you want me to take you seriously? What are you smoking?
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by DoctorAlien(m): 5:31pm On Sep 27, 2016
CoolUsername:


So why is he punishing ask their ancestors for something that they had no control over.

How did man have no control over his actions?
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by Ranchhoddas: 5:35pm On Sep 27, 2016
Smallville10:
GOD knew they would sin.. So what do u wanna say next?
I'd say He set man up to fail. That cannot be fair and just. Or is it to you?
Re: Bible Contradictions;raphiemontella(skeptic) VS Doctoralien(christian) by Nobody: 5:37pm On Sep 27, 2016
DoctorAlien:


LOL. I was expecting this. GOD rested after creating everything not because He was tired or exhausted. GOD cannot be tired. The verb "shabath" means literally "to cease" from labour or activity. GOD's rest was a cessation from previous occupation.
u shouldnt even answer some of their stupid questions. Their brain is going into extinction

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