donnffd:
If you are good only because of a heavenly reward or a hellish punishment and not because of your own accord to be good, then you are a sorry lot and a disgrace to the human species.

Just be good for goodness sake.

donnffd:
If you are good only because of a heavenly reward or a hellish punishment and not because of your own accord to be good, then you are a sorry lot and a disgrace to the human species.

Just be good for goodness sake.

honourhim:



Who defines what is good and what is bad?
A fraudster believes he is smart. An armed robber believes he is smart. A politician who wins elections thru violence and dubious means believe he is smart. What you call good may be regarded as bad by another person and vice versa.

What benchmark do atheists use to measure good and bad.

felixomor:


Just listen to urself while u r calling someone a disgrace but giving a half baked answer.

"Be good for goodness sake" Indeed.
And u think u av answered the question?
U would av just said u cant answer or better still resist commenting.

donnffd:


What else do you want me to answer?

Do you need heaven to be good to your family members?, if the answer is no, then why cant you view the human race as your very large family?, and treat them exactly how you would treat your immediate family.

Simple as ABC...

NB: since most atheists accept the fact of evolution, they tend to see all living things are more connected than we might think and tend to feel a family bond towards them, that in no way means atheists are better than theists, it just shows where our compassion lies.

felixomor:


Introducing evolution only makes it complex for u.
Animals live by survival of the fittest.
Kill or be killed.
That way, there is no reason to be good to anybody except urself.
Unless, u believe in a reward for good, which ur answer doesnt state.
U see why the answer to the question is not as u put it.

donnffd:


Is it that you cant read or something?, what did i say just now about family members?, look i am not here to argue with you...The fact that u said that about animals sef shows how ignorant you are, Do you want to tell me that animals in a social group just kill themselves like savages?, wolves, elephants, buffalos, lion, chimps, gorillas are all social animals and they have unity in their group. We has higher animals with a higher cognition show they same kindred spirit for our kind(except a few exceptions) and we are the first species to extend our compassion not only for our social group or species but also other species as well.

Please stop being intellectually dishonest just because you want to counter me by all means.

felixomor:


U say animals dont kill themselves?
For real?
Well, let me not digress.
You still have not answered any question.
U only beating around bush stating ur perceived observations.
U still have not said why you do good?
And if u say its natural to show kindess to our kind, why then do evil exist among people?
Or are those people not natural?

EyeHateGod:
HUMANITY

donnffd:


Very simple, do not do unto others what you would not want them to do unto you.

Tell me, do you need the reward of heaven to be good to your family members?, if the answer is no, then its very simple, view the human race as your family members and then you understand why atheists are good.

hopefulLandlord:


why do you do good to your immediate family members?

is it natural for you to show kindness?

does the presence of evil among certain family members negate the fact that being kind to people around you is natural?

if you have nothing to lose by being kind or wicked to people, which would you actually do? why?

donnffd:
If you are good only because of a heavenly reward or a hellish punishment and not because of your own accord to be good, then you are a sorry lot and a disgrace to the human species.

Just be good for goodness sake.

AjalaJ:
Atheists are human beings like us, and they’ve their reasons for believing there’s no God. For them the so-called “spiritual experiences” don’t work for them.

But I know the most important reasons we’re religious is because of heavenly rewards, Or because of what would happen to us when we die (because of what would happen to us for eternity). This is the core reason behind Islam and Christianity; all other reasons are secondary.

I’ve seen atheists/agnostics who’re really good. They’re honest, dependable and sensible. They’re happy and successful in life. I’ve seen religious people being dishonest, roguish, and daft. Some of them are failures and unhappy. Yet, they’ve have heavenly hopes.

Now let me ask… Why are there atheists/agnostics that are good citizens, good friends, and good neighbors? One of them once told me that it’s good to be good, but NOT because of heavenly rewards.

Perhaps they’re good to avoid going to jail or tarnishing their family names.

Now, if there are no hopes of heavenly rewards… why do atheist do good things? In their viewpoints, what’s the benefits of doing good and disadvantages of doing bad?


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felixomor:


My immediate family is as good as my blood or myself.
There is nothing special there, doing good for them.

U r the one claiming its natural to be "good"
So u should tell us why people do evil then, except u want to also say its natural to be evil for them.

If i have nothing to lose by either of the two, then why is there so much ado about evil?
Why will being "good" be tagged the "natural' one?

hopefulLandlord:


I asked a simple question, if you have nothing to lose by being good or evil to someone; what would you actually chose to do?

I'm sure you would actually chose to do good

doesn't that actually make it a kind of default setting?

or would you have chosen to do evil anyways if you weren't a Christian?

felixomor:


U answered the question for me wrongly. U assumed
There are many people like me who chose evil.
Even me Without Christ, had already chosen evil so i dont know which good default setting u mean.

Afterall there was nothing for me to lose, by choosing evil , if i am to follow ur philosophy

hopefulLandlord:


so, what you're actually telling me is that you would've chosen evil had it not been for you being a Christian? despite having nothing to gain from either evil or good?

I am actually speechless

was there a time in your life that you were "christless"

felixomor:


My dear, i had chosen evil already.
And u dont have to be speechless, thats what happens when the mind is allowed to determine whats good and evil on its own.

felixomor:


U say animals dont kill themselves?
For real?
Well, let me not digress.
You still have not answered any question.
U only beating around bush stating ur perceived observations.
U still have not said why you do good?
And if u say its natural to show kindess to our kind, why then do evil exist among people?
Or are those people not natural?

honourhim:


Atheists are good indeed. Story story. Leave that story abeg.

Back to the issue.
The money you got through fraudulent means you are using it to be good to your family and other people around you . The position you acquired through crooked means you are using to be good to people. To the beneficiaries of your evil practices you are good.
Who defines what is good and what is not?

donnffd:


1. I said animals in a social group dont just go around killing themselves, thats what it means to be in a social group

2. People are naturally good and evil, now as animals in a social group we want whats best for the group to prolong our survival, if an individual is acting in a way thats not beneficial to the group, that individual is excommunicated. So in other words being good helps the social group and the social groups helps in the survival of the individuals.

I am sure you have heard of the saying, there is strength in unity.

felixomor:


Wether social or not, animals kill each other.
Lets not dwell too much on that.

And I hope u know "good" doesnt just involve not killing.
"Good" also involves not sleeping with another man's wife. Or u want to also argue animals follow that?

And if u say people are naturally good and evil, then some babies are going to be bad, no matter what.
That sounds religious to me.
Then how would u explain very bad people being transformed and coming to live a good life after certain experiences?
Does it mean their nature changed from "bad" to 'good"?
That also sounds religious to me.

donnffd:


What is it about "Do not do unto others what you would not want them to do unto you" that you dont understand?

When i say Good and evil is natural, i mean we all have the ability to do good and evil, its the choices we make that makes us who we are.

You might ask, what stops anyone from just doing bad, and the answer is what i have been saying all along, when you dont act right in a social group, you become excommunicated and your survival chances drop drastically.

Which one come be religious inside?

felixomor:


Sorry its religious when u say "u will be excommunicated for doing or not"
Sorry its religious.
No other animal gets excommunicated for sleeping with another's wife. Life goes on for them. Its survival of the fittest.

And in case u dont know, u do good because u were raised in a religious home with religious parents who inculcated religious morals in ur upbringing while ur personality was being moulded.
Otherwise, u would av been something else.
So stop trying to act as though u knew when ur personality was formed and as such.
Thats why u do good.

Remove those morals that were brought by religion to mould society, what u have is animal kingdom and tarzans.
Period.

hopefulLandlord:


Lol

Are you saying religion was responsible for every good we do?