akintom:



You and your reference are one and same, like the two sides of a coin. You simply don't know the meaning of truth.

Am not surprised at the grand difficulty you have in extricating your fixation on the infantile appreciation of the ideological basis of the nones.

I had over 20 years experience of the Christian faith, so i can appreciate the difficulty you have in knowing the nones just the way they are.

The fact that over 90% Nigerians subscribe to religious beliefs, doesn't make religion to be of any good use.
That's where i defer from you.

Audray:
Stand aside Bible thumper.

Etesam:

You wont understsnd, sir. I only hope my confusion goes away.

honourhim:


I still advice that you go thru the op and hide your stupidity. Stop disgracing yourself here pls.

honourhim:


Continue ranting. I have no extra time to waste on you.

honourhim:
Dear brethren in Christ,

we all know that atheism simply means unbelief in God. Taking a critical look at the activities of certain individuals in this forum who parade themselves as atheists, it is obvious that they actually can be referred to as anti-Christian cult.

KingEbukasBlog:

We also have Sir Isaac Newton who spoke against atheism and defended his belief in God .

akintom:


"These group of individuals have a gathering point just like the religious people, they preach against God just as we preach the goodness of God, they testify against God just as we testify God's goodness"

The above is your exact words unedited.
You're so soon becoming a victim of the panicky counsel you just gave your fellows.

May i help you add this to your list of commandments....

*when you decide to engage atheist, avoid being twisty and dodgy, you get strangled that way.

akintom:

Your question has exhaustively been answered by different scientists, in each of science specialty that propounded the different theories you referred to.

akintom:


scientists affirmed, nothing is or can be known to exist in human experience, except it's first established by OVERWHELMING EMPIRICAL EVIDENCES that MUST have PASS the TEST of VERIFICATION and REPRODUCIBILITY.

gaelllic:


From the same people who call the Eternal Existence of God illogical:

"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist."

- Stephen Hawking
"The Grand Design"

In which classroom is that called 'an exhaustive explanation?'

You all are liars - like your spiritual father below.



Please provide one falsifiable and reproducible experiment that is evidence for the 'big bang'.

Or you could just try to be an honest man (I know it's asking a lot)...and admit there isn't one.

akintom:


Am humanist (go check up Humanism first), i can confirm to you that your lies don't apply 0.000%.

akintom:
My point is that, with the atheists, there's no OBJECT OR SUBJECT OF WORSHIP.

Unlike religious groups that worships Gods.

gaelllic:


Humanism -

A philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over acceptance of dogma or superstition.

An outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human netional ways of solving human problems.

Let me show why the above is long-winded, articulate nonsense.

The question is, 'After cutting religion out of the affairs of men, what next?'

In this brave, new, non-religious world, someone must still decide 'what-is-good-and-what-is-evil', 'what-is legal-versus-what-is-illegal'.

This is far from a straightforward matter. There is no universal, enduring non-religious standard for anything.

As such, these rulings must be made on the whim of the individual(s) in power.

This is why every single society that has wilfully pursued an Atheist policy has descended straight into dictatorship.

There is no need to fantasize about a world without religion. That experiment's been run several times.

Cambodia, the USSR, Cuba, Myanmar, Mao's China, Nazi Germany, Poland, Ceausescu's Romania - the list goes on.

At a cost of millions of lives - which puts to flight the wicked accusation that Christianity is the source of bloodshed in the world.

This, then, is humanism. It is Socialism-lite, which itself is Communism-lite, which is death.

And yet the half-bright, half-baked, half-wit sponsors of such discredited philosophies bridle when justly told they

merit the Second Death.

gaelllic:


Worship

is an act of religious devotion usually directed towards a deity

The word is derived from the Old English weorþscipe, meaning worship, honour shown to an object, which has been etymologised as "worthiness or worth-ship"—to give, at its simplest, worth to something.


From the above, it is obvious, etymologically, that Atheists may be said to worship the intellect, science or human knowledge.

Readers may also notice the word is Old English in its origin.

Incidentally, the actual word translated as 'worship' from the original Greek (into English) is 'proskuneo'

which means, 'to bow down', 'to show obesiance', 'to prostrate oneself' or even 'to kiss (a ring)'.

Further,

this 'worship of the intellect' or 'worship of knowledge' and its resultant apostasy correlates well

with the Serpent's promise of knowledge to Eve,

...your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil.

Genesis 3: 5 (Douay-Rheims)

and her (and humanity's) resultant estrangement from God.


Truly, apples do not fall far from the tree.

akintom:


Let me assume, you are ready to engage me on this religious beliefs, from standpoint of intelligence and sincerity.

If you have followed my line of debate from my different posts or comments, you would have read, where i said that i can intelligently debate from stand point of medical/neuroscience knowledge, to disprove religious claims.

On your big bang question, i advise that you contact AgentofAllah.

But if you want to engage me, outside astral physics, be my guest.

gaelllic:

...This is why every single society that has wilfully pursued an Atheist policy has descended straight into dictatorship.

JSoE:


Take note. Not every atheist believes in evolution.

Study,
Observe
and
be sure of the validity of facts before spewing rubbish.

I thought you were about to say something smart considering the fact that you decided to type all in 'red'.

If you follow the above processes I'm sure your brain would start reformatting before the end of this month.

Thank me later.

gaelllic:


Correction.

Observers will discover,

that while atheists claim to disdain religion in general

they hardly ever target their polemics at Judaism, Buddhism, Wicca, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism and others. When they do it is usually

tempered, and with the insinuation that these practices are somehow purer, nobler and more honest than 'organized religion'.

Organized religion is, of course, merely a euphemism for Christianity.

They hit Islam from time to time, but there's no doubt that their very worst, and most blasphemous invectives are reserved for Christians.

Christ is the Truth. They know it and their master knows it too.

flamingREED:


See this girl o.

You don't believe in evolution,
You don't believe in God.

What dyu believe in?

It's worse to believe in nothing.

hopefulLandlord:


False Dichotomy fallacy!

"Hopefullandlord spoke out against capitalism, therefore she must be a communist"

flamingREED:


Though I don't regard you that much,

What are you saying?

gaelllic:


Ignore this lie, all.

Atheists have celebrity speakers, movements, conventions, rallies, parades and even hire air time and billboards.

Their is no group in the history of earth that has devoted such time and resources to proclaiming

that they don't believe in something.

gaelllic:


Correction.

Observers will discover,

that while atheists claim to disdain religion in general

they hardly ever target their polemics at Judaism, Buddhism, Wicca, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism and others. When they do it is usually

tempered, and with the insinuation that these practices are somehow purer, nobler and more honest than 'organized religion'.

Organized religion is, of course, merely a euphemism for Christianity.

They hit Islam from time to time, but there's no doubt that their very worst, and most blasphemous invectives are reserved for Christians.

Christ is the Truth. They know it and their master knows it too.

akintom:


But if you want to engage me, outside astral physics, be my guest.

akintom:

Do you hold the view that the bible is literarily true?

honourhim:


Thanks my brother. Even here they have a whatsapp group where they meet and discuss religious issues. It was those of them here that made this known to us. In this same nairaland religion section they create various threads where they promote atheism. They also create threads of "conversion from christianity to atheism" stories(testimonies) of atheists just like we do yet that guy is busy pretending as if he doesnt know.

honourhim:


Thanks my brother. Even here they have a whatsapp group where they meet and discuss religious issues. It was those of them here that made this known to us. In this same nairaland religion section they create various threads where they promote atheism. They also create threads of "conversion from christianity to atheism" stories(testimonies) of atheists just like we do yet that guy is busy pretending as if he doesnt know.

akintom:

Human experience is built on intellectually established truth (essential and existential evidence) upon which we build our lives (because we can respect and trust the derived knowledge, without which existence would have been impossible).

akintom:

How the recognition of the above, constitute worship is what you will have to explain.

Even if you assert worship of intellect, by which means are the rituals done? Eg praying?, anointing oil?, exorcism?, etc.

akintom:


Don't dig this further brother.

gaelllic:


I'm somewhat leery of engaging someone who thinks I was discussing 'astral physics(?)', to be frank.

But if you can keep it civil, perhaps we can give it a go.

Please note that I represent traditional Catholicism, so please do not require me to defend or explain

antics of Protestant stage-performers.



Yes. Bearing in mind

'The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation'.

E,g. If I say, "it's raining cats and dogs", the literal meaning does not refer to animals falling from the sky.

I could go further but I trust you get my drift.

gaelllic:


No, it is not. Not entirely.

Right now, in some places, you are required (by law) to refer to a transsexual man by his preferred pronoun. Even though the cells in his

body still carry XY chromosomes. This is the precise opposite of 'intellectually established truth'.

So you see, human experience may also rest on dementia and wishful thinking. And scientists are not immune.



1. You assume that worship must involve ritual. It need not. Certain Buddhists are not required to 'do' anything.

2. Let us agree that religion is

'Any strongly held belief, absent empirical evidence'. (I think that covers all bases)

Since your strong belief in the non-existence of a Creator lacks any empirical support, is it not a religious one?



I'll dig as I please, thanks. There's much that needs burying.


I can't possibly engage you on all fronts. Let's take one after another.
We shall come back to these later. Let's start with the literary stand of the Bible first.

AgentOfAllah:

Hi Gaellic,...

AgentOfAllah:
To fully appreciate why the big bang remains unfalsified,...

AgentOfAllah:
you'll need to understand a few more things, including: Black body
radiation and cosmic microwave background. If you understand these things...

AgentOfAllah:
...the simplest explanation is always often the right explanation...

AgentOfAllah:
As has every society that has willfully pursued religion as a policy!! By definition, trying to impose ideologies on any society would necessitate descension into dictatorship. Think about it. The most inclusive system is secularism (i.e. an ideologically apathetic society)!