orisa37:
The Jews condemned Jesus.
Such is The Faith of The BornAgains.
The Case of T.B. Joshua is in The Court of God.

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!


This is an example of SCIENCEWATCH using INNUENDO to smear L. Ron Hubbard by implying that he misrepresented SCIENTOLOGY, not letting people know it was a Religion.

L. Ron Hubbard introduced DIANETICS in 1950, as a radical new way to improving the mind, by a technique careful questioning and commanding, such that hidden traumatic memories that subconsciously suppress the mind's potential, called "ENGRAMS," could be nullified. Once this technique was field-tested, however, it was discovered that it could do much more than make people "feel better."

There is no such thing as people joining SCIENTOLOGY, and not knowing It to be a RELIGION.

So we are talking about a man SCIENCEWATCH SAYS became a "SEX-MANIAC" at age 48, with an 18 year-old (died 2013).

orisa37:
Strive to have a FAITH that is as big as a grain of Mustard Seed
AND
Ask for VALUES NOT WANTS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST!!!
Happy Sunday!!!

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



I have never been to SCOAN, nor watched Tuberculosis Joshua's alleged Miracle Services, but I don't need to to know that YOU ARE LYING when you are talking about "SCIENTIFICALLY-VERIFIED MIRACLES."

I am a Scientist by profession. (Well, Laboratory Assistant to Degree-Holding Scientists, if you want to be Technical; Ordinary Level General Certificate of Education (GCE) Holder, if you want to get sanctimonious.) As a person versed in Scientific Procedure, I am telling you that YOU HAVE NO WHEREWITHAL TO SCIENTIFICALLY-VERIFY ALLEGED MIRACLES IN SOME CHURCH.


ANY ATTEMPT TO VERIFY THAT MIRACLES AUTHENTICALLY TAKE PLACE IS A SIN. Anyone requiring such verification has accused THE WORD OF GOD of being a LIE.
No REAL Man of God would be a part of that.

But- what exactly did you see, that "SCIENTIFICALLY-VERIFIED" any Miracle you ever saw? What could you possibly see?

Someone saying that they had MEDICAL PROOF that they had a condition of some sort- then, suddenly they didn't have it, after contact with Tuberculosis Joshua? Any MEDICAL DOCTOR or SCIENTIST participating in such a trial WOULD FORFEIT THEIR LICENSE: period.
Someone waved papers around- even videoed them for you, PROVING that these were done in a REAL HOSPITAL, and by REAL SCIENTISTS?

That CANNOT be DONE for the reason I just gave: it would be a SERIOUS BREACH OF MEDICAL PROTOCOL, that would put the CAREER of everyone involved in JEOPARDY, if it REALLY happened.

oaroloye:


To judge who is and who is not a Servant of God, we are COMMANDED (not "suggested," to look at THEIR FRUITS.

Their adherence to the LEAST COMMANDMENTS.

WHERE IS YAHSHUA IN ALL THAT YOU HAVE SPEWED OUT?

orisa37:
The Jews condemned Jesus.
Such is The Faith of The BornAgains.
The Case of T.B. Joshua is in The Court of God.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!


Any MEDICAL DOCTOR or SCIENTIST participating in such a trial WOULD FORFEIT THEIR LICENSE: period.
Someone waved papers around- even videoed them for you, PROVING that these were done in a REAL HOSPITAL, and by REAL SCIENTISTS?

That CANNOT be DONE for the reason I just gave: it would be a SERIOUS BREACH OF MEDICAL PROTOCOL, that would put the CAREER of everyone involved in JEOPARDY, if it REALLY happened.

THE VERY SCRIPTURE YOU CITE PROVES THAT TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA IS NOT OF GOD.

oaroloye:


To judge who is and who is not a Servant of God, we are COMMANDED (not "suggested," to look at THEIR FRUITS.
Their adherence to the LEAST COMMANDMENTS. Their DISCIPLES.

WHERE IS YAHSHUA IN ALL THAT YOU HAVE SPEWED OUT?

Jacksonville:




You forgot that miracles is one of the signs you can use to identify a satanic agent or the anti Christ himself who shall do great signs and wonders. He would even draw fire from the heavens...


A true man of God can only be identified by the fruits of the spirit of GOD in him... Not by miracles.


He is of God and he is greatly anointed but not the greatest anointed pastor of today..

mauriceju2:
the main thing is not the miracle, fake men of God/ satanic agent can also do miracle, the thing to use and know whether one is from God or not is the fruit of the spirit, the bible says that it is those that are lead by the sprite of God that are the children of God but not those that do miracle, there are fruits that are produce by the spirit of God and there are fruits that are produce by evil sprite

ScienceWatch:
Jacksonville, refuse to feel threatened by the major breakthroughs in churches world wide resulting from innocent congregations exposure to Emmanuel TV/Scoan church Nigeria.

Do your research, stop repeating the cowardly propaganda you easily copy from fake pastor bronchitis Oaroloye.
Your research will show you, that no Satanic agent has ever been able to do the miracles that true disciples/pastors of the mighty Jesus Christ can do. I repeat, no satanists have ever been able to do the miracles recorded in the Gospels.

Do you think God or Jesus would have been foolish to engage in activity that can easily be copied by the demonic possessed ?

The scriptures in the Gospels combined with the scientifically verifiable evidence flowing like a mighty river through the holy SCOAN church authenticate the promises of Jesus. Finally millions are being freed from the traps laid by their own fake pastors.

The mind-blowing experiences in the holy SCOAN is exactly what Jesus achieved and for clarity he said, "Joh 5:36 But I have a greater witness than that of John: for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to do, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness for me, that the Father hath sent me."

There you have it !!! From Jesus himself ! He is saying that the preaching of John, the most powerful witness for the coming of Christ is nothing in comparison to the WORKS/ MIRACLES. Joh 5:36 That why Jesus clearly emphasized that the MIRACLES that He do, bear the most effective witness for Him and his disciples that God sent them.

Ken4Christ:



Your language reveals you are not a Christian. Should a true believer insult someone asking reasonable questions? Out of your mouth comes out blessings and curses. This is not the character trait of a child of God. The Bible condemns it.

NoWorries7:
Ken4Christ don't mind the dude... He's a liar, like his mentor false prophet TB JOSHUA. Been there, three times.We bought the water 5,000 naira...

oaroloye:




In case I was not clear before, and in case anyone thinks that perhaps SCIENCEWATCH is twisting my words, and making it sound as if I said something that I did not say, let me state categorically, and unequivocally:

"RAPE IS NOT A SIN."

There is NO Commandment of God that says "THOU SHALT NOT RAPE!" or, "A PERSON WHO RAPES HAS COMMITTED A SIN."

ALL RAPE VICTIMS BROUGHT THEIR CALAMITY UPON THEMSELVES.

How could it be otherwise? Don't the twits know that they can get raped?

YOU WILL NOTICE THAT WHEN THE WOMAN IN QUESTION IS NEITHER MARRIED NOR BETROTHED, RAPE DOES NOT MATTER. Only if the woman is married or betrothed does RAPE matter, because the Rapist has committed ADULTERY.

I can only imagine what a terrible feeling it will be for you, when you find you yourself hurled down into The Abyss, when you expected to go to Heaven.

Jacksonville:



You try so hard to pin-point n validate miracles as the main tool of conviction and a standard for detecting real men of GOD.

The miracles performed are for convictions of the unbelievers , for edification the body of christ and also a proof that one is sent from GOD. I dont dispute that , but i repeat the devil has raised prophets for himself, he has also empowered them to deceive people with all sort of mind blowing miracles, prophecies etc...

Now tell me how can one differentiate these wolves in sheep clothings from the true sheep, except if not by their works/fruits (luke 6:43) and the fruits of the spirit of God in a man as stated in Gal 5:22? or by the confession of the lordship of Jesus that came in flesh. (1 john 4:3, 2 john 1:7)



John the baptist was the greatest prophet ever as confirmed by jesus in Matthew 11 . But you and i knew he performed no miracle, there was no record of such. Paul asking in 1corinthians 12:29 Are all prophets, apostles, evangelist？Are all miracle workers, teachers, pastors？ NO!


Brethren, lets all not be deceived, even the anti-christ whom shall arise will be a miracle worker, infact the incarnate of satan himself in a man.

BE WISE!

ScienceWatch:
Jacksonville, I agree you make some good points here, but are these points not lacking in verification from Jesus himself ?
It was not John's mission to perform any of the miracles that Jesus exclusively did.
Yes I agree, the miracles performed are for convictions of the unbelievers, that is why Jesus and his disciples/pastors taught the way he did with teachings and practical examples of the love of God.

It is interesting to note your comment on John, "John the baptist was the greatest prophet ever as confirmed by Jesus in Matthew 11" But what did Jesus say about the value of John's testimony in relation to the miracles ?

You say, I try so hard to pin-point n validate miracles as the main tool of conviction. Would it surprise you to know that is exactly what Jesus did. Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness\evidence than that of John: for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to finish, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness\evidence for me, that the Father hath sent me.

The disciples asked Jesus how they could differentiate these wolves in sheep clothings from the true sheep, They were told to know the difference by thier Works/miracles. Satanic persons can never do the miracles Jesus brought his people. Never. Have you found evidence of this ?

1) What did Jesus say concerning the testimony of John the Baptist about himself ?
2) Where is the evidence that Satanist can do these miracles ?

Jacksonville:



hmmm ...Well you equally made good n valid points on your part.

As stated in John 5:36 , Jesus said his works bear witness greater than that of John's , true that.

But i have seen and heard of how these wolves perform convincing miracles n all till they ran out of luck and were caught in possessions of fetish n diabolic items.
Here is a short story - A well known man of God (name witheld) was invited for a program, he arrived the city where the program is being anchored late. So he slept in the hotel of the host pastor who is known for great works/miracles prior to the church meeting that will be held the following morning. In the morning, he had his bath and unknown to him, he applied the host pastor's body cream and dashed to where the program is being anchored. He mounted the pulpit and lifted one of his hands in worship and the crowd on the side all fell like they were hit by a strong breeze. It kept on happening anytime he swings his hand , he healed the sick and he was prophesying for the first time.
When he arrived back at the hotel, he was astonished and taken aback by the manifestations, and then the host pastor told him he applied toomuch of his cream. The guest minister learnt his lesson and turned back to GOD .

Now what do you call such a person with these mind blowing signs without knowing his source? Servant of GOD?

I know jesus said "satan cannot cast out satan" True, but there are some pastors that hypnotise members to act possessed and freed because they themselves serve a higher ranking demon. Of course demons have heirachies.


Your points are very true but let us all be very careful. In these last days if it were very possible, even the elects will be deceived.

ScienceWatch:
Very true Jacksonville !! Could we examine something Jesus and His disciples/pastor did all the time ?
It is the miracle of deliverance. As you correctly pointed out that, "Satan cannot deliver Satan" one can not therefore deliver demons by the power of Satan. Jesus came to secure the salvation of our souls, which also means deliverance.
Therefore, deliverance can only be done through Jesus.

Would you agree that the symptoms of demonic oppression are ; Depression, Abused, fear, Tormented, Suicidal, Sickly, Alcoholic,
Addict, Obese, Witch, Satanist, Brotherhood, connected to the occult or a cult, Hooked on Indecency, Dying, Diseased, Molester, Self-Abuse,
Bi-polar ?

There are others; PALMISTRY, PENDULUM, TAROT CARDS, WATER WITCHING, WITCHCRAFT, RELIGIOUS, DOCTRINAL OBSESSION,
FORMALISM, LEGALISM, RELIGIOSITY, RITUALISM ,SEDUCTION, SPIRITISM, NECROMANCY, SEANCE, INSANITY, INSECURITY, JEZEBEL
KUNDALINI-SERPENT POWER awakening -AT BASE OF SPINE etc.

Demonic deliverance is a miracle unique to Jesus.

From my understanding of hypnosis, no one can be hypnotized against their will, people cannot be hypnotized against their will and cannot be compelled even under hypnosis to tell the truth or to follow suggestions really contrary to their beliefs.

Side effects of Hypnosis include tiredness, crisis of identity, insomnia, irritability, fears, panic attacks, deficit of attention, distorted sense of self, confusion, sexually abberant behaviors, unexpected trance-like state, delusional thinking, depression, dizziness, syncope, fearfulness, feelings of guilt.

If we observe these symptoms after deliverance, then one could conclude that hypnosis was used on the person. But if the person is
focused, calm, relieved, hopeful, positive etc we can conclude that Jesus delivered that person.

What are your thoughts on this ?

Jacksonville:




You have a point, but i'm not too inclined in the knowledge of hypnotic susceptibility n the paranormal ...But from what i've seen from the movies, i'm compelled to say ure kinda correct. But sometime back when i do watch a show called 'mind freak', the magician, Chris angel would hypnotise the audience or the person he wants to use for propelling the "magic trick" ； he snaps his fingers n tells them "shhh , dont fret, imagine yourself on everest , see yourself flying n sleep" They fall asleep ASAP n then he levitates them or pin them on a thin stick or knife edge, hence they attain equilibrium . When they wake, they get flabbergasted n all, no sign of tiredness or dizzyness... you see the smile up on their faces as they narrate their experience descriptively.

ScienceWatch:
We can quickly get clarity if we separate the paranormal from hypnosis. To be initiated into or by the "paranormal' is purely a spiritual matter and also happens with consent, knowingly or unknowingly. When we transgress spiritual law we give automatic consent to demonic forces to operate. Jesus said, what separate us from God is, envy, hatred, jealousy, lust, unforgiveness, etc. From your own posts Jacksonville, I gather that you fully understand huge difference between "Paranormal" and hypnosis.

No one can ever be hypnotized without conscious deliberate consent. What we very seldom see on TV magic shows on hypnosis is the off camera Pre-induction and suggestion work done beforehand. After everyone has been inducted the show can be filmed for our entertainment. But remember, these shows are not live. They are edited and post-production CGI can conjure up incredible things like in the movies. Many of Chris Angels hypnosis tricks are cool to watch, but it is only entertainment with paid participants.

The levitation is post production CGI tricks. really cool.
There never was any random hypnosis. It is impossible in real life. But it looks like good entertainment. I will never allow myself to be hypnotized, it is too risky.

Someone foolishly compared Chris Angels illusions to Jesus' miracles. Well, I have never seen people testify that they were healed by Chris.

I have found that the best way to learn about true demonic deliverance is a setting where there is an international gathering of
troubled people that came for help. They have spent huge sums of money on travel and hotel expenses to get there. Their family, friends and community will be watching the live event. Their personal live testimonies are incredibly instructive.

Jacksonville:


Very true .. Chris's tricks are just for the cameras, the hypnosis scene looks way too easy to conjure . I did a little research n i discovered that No strong willed person can be dominated by a hypnotist to the extent of being put to sleep, its very dangerous just as you originally mentioned.

By the way i had an encounter 3am last night . I saw myself in a cave-like structure n i was overwhelmed with the spirit that came upon me. I felt it physically so strong, it was as though my heart was failing me n i felt a power(currentXvolt) surge like blood flowing in my veins. Then TB Joshua appeared n stretched his bible towards me . I regained myself immediately n i stood up n walked after him . I came out of the structure n we took a long walk down(i discovered we were on a mountain walking down). He prophesied somethings i cnt recur but he said something i cnt forget. he said “your birthday is around the corner” i said yes in a couple of weeks, he nodded n smiled. Then i woke up.

ScienceWatch:
Yes I agree, but I still enjoy Chris Angel's skill as a magician.

Mmmm ! Dreams are powerful hints of our future. Wow ! What do you think is the meaning of this powerful dream for your life ?

Jacksonville:



I'm a bit lost on the meaning but i know it's very powerful. Any clue?

ScienceWatch:
Do you have facts, or do you join the few dumb fools that repeat every stupid thing they hear without any evidence to back it ?

Wise persons would not even consider your foolishness, but rather listen to what the wise say about the holy Prophet TB Joshua. The world renowned pastor PS Upthegrove and Prof Willem Ouweneel are wise persons because they came to the holy SCOAN to check it all out.

Unlike you, that sit on your toilet and write poo !

World renowned pastor PS Upthegrove recounted how seeing such power demonstrated in the holy SCOAN church Nigeria reminded him of all he had witnessed through other powerful ministers of God such as Oral Roberts, AA Allen, William Branham and RW Shambach who he had the privilege to work with and know personally.

God had told the church – through Renowned global evangelist P.S. Upthegrove – that T.B. Joshua is one of His prophets, one through whom God would use to give people from all over the world their deliverance, blessings, healings and salvation. He said God uses anything to touch the lives of people – sticks, stones, shadows and even dead men’s bones. That T.B. Joshua has been using water to do likewise is within with God’s ability to be present in every matter of nature.

The Anointing Water has been successfully used over the years to tear the kingdom of Satan apart and also set people free from bondage's and focus people’s expectations on God.

Renowned global evangelist P.S. Upthegrove told the congregation that world famous healer AA Allen had actually described The SCOAN to him so graphically, prophesying that God would sustain P.S. Upthegrove to see the fulfilment of his message and enable him to meet the person concerned which is TB Joshua. He had always prayed to the Lord to give him grace to visit the prophesied church (Scoan Church Nigeria) and it’s General Overseer (Prophet TB Joshua)."

Also read what Prof. Willem Ouweneel had to say after he was at the holy SCOAN church Nigeria.

Dont listen to the views of lovers of Satan !

ScienceWatch:
TB Joshua on trial for “stolen literature”
Posted by watchtbjoshua the wicked propaganda machine setup to destroy the humble SCOAN church.


The words and sacred writings of true past prophets were re-echoed by the present ones throughout history

This was said not forgetting to trust Satan to live up to his reputation as the accuser of the brethren, he has not changed and he makes his very presence known on tbjoshuawatch even by accusing the Child of prophecy, the Savior of the World, the last days messiah - the man in the synagogue TB Joshua.
A trend worthy of note in their affronts is how these accusations are always leveled against him when it comes to works of wonder that tend to defy the logic of their imagination.

For instance, when we praise God for his miracles they accuse him of stage management, When we praise God for his disciples, they accuse him of en slaving people, when we praise God for His charitable deeds they accuse Him of being open about it, when we praise God for His world prophecies, they accuse him of predicting through chance, when we praise God for His personal prophecies they accuse him of being fed with the information, and more recently now, for our praise to God for His divine messages they accuse Him of plagiarism…

What should a man do whose accusations are without end? – at this rate, the man in the synagogue TB Joshua would be standing on trial even long after his departure, and what is their ground for this allegation? finding the source of some of TB Joshua’s oldest “words of wisdom” as originated from several American evangelists they take strict offense as though he claimed to be the initiator which He never did.
Yet – the message they’ve communicated is quite simple – any pastor you hear from hence speaking words you’ve before heard from another pastor or read in a Christian book (without stated reference) must be charged shamelessly guilty of plagiarism in their opinion, though they never stipulated a proper sentence for the guilty, that would thus fill up the measure of sin of their predecessors – the pharisees.
Let readers be on their guard against such “thoughts” because they spring from

Jesus also quoted from the prophets who came before Him, I guess we should charge him too for plagiarism
the tempters will, they have so easily forgotten that Jesus himself quoted a myriad of “sayings” of the prophets who came before Him in his teachings, and today Christian faithful’s worldwide hold those words in highest regard, not because they were spoken by those prophets but because Jesus also legitimized them as being the inspired words of God being greater than them all.

These little known evangelists from whom they claimed TB Joshua sourced some of his oldest quotes perhaps did no more than teach the bible with these “sayings“, –
They may have only taught them and remained obscure, but TB Joshua continued from there by proving them, living by them and making them work. Lending enormous credence to their words as divinely inspired. Where they stopped marked his starting point of which he now stands accused, now coming on to judge his humble beginnings in learning off of his distant colleagues in ministry as “fraudulent” is unarguably preposterous.

Such a foul judgment can only come from minds who are less concerned about the advancement of God’s kingdom and more concerned by who takes the Glory and Credit for words spoken by the Holy Ghost – When there’s absolutely no reason for anyone giving or taking credit, because words spoken by the Holy Ghost don’t take the credit. As Apostle Paul said: neither he who plants nor waters is anything but God who makes it grow. If at all TB Joshua’s name comes under the quotes you’ve mentioned above or is attributed to him, it does not portray him taking the credit, but is done in the sense of him authenticating that word as authored by the Holy Ghost giving the legitimacy of God’s messiah.

biss4500:

These agents of satan are only having breakthrough at your breakdown. Beware of miracle peddlers, Beware of false prophets, and Beware of false teachers, Jesus warned. This is their time, Run for your life!

biss4500:
You are such a fool fooling others