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Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by taurus25(m): 11:49pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
GrizzlyBear:You were probably in a haste to call yourself atheist in the first place. Judging from your post, you might be a Deist. 1 Like |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by johnydon22(m): 11:51pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
Deicide: Yes it can - there may be more than just universe just as there are more Since when did the universe become the definition for physical plain - i have no time to start arguing over your own misunderstanding. Nature is the physical plain, universe exist in this physical plain - two different things for christ sake. Therefore the physical plain [nature] can exist without the universe but the universe cannot without the physical plain - its so simple. 1 Like |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Deicide: 11:53pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
GrizzlyBear: So how did you arrive at calling yourself Atheist at first? Without even understanding it concepts? This is True but why all the insults on Atheist? I don't argue with Deist cause i find their view to be Rational but what does it matter.. |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by johnydon22(m): 11:56pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
GrizzlyBear: That means there is just NATURE - Ignorance doesn't make something super... Because that would mean when we were ignorant of the existence of Neptune, it was supernatural.. Any part of nature we are ignorant of is still just "Nature" coining out words such as "supernatural" to describe them severes the context. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Nobody: 11:57pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
Deicide: So you admit that Atheists views like yours are irrational Since you find those of Deists to be Rational? You seem to think that a tag or title defines you and not you defining the tag. Definitions came about based on actions first and not actions based on definitions. You still seem not to understand what the OP is lamenting about. In a nutshell he is saying. .take your tag and shove it. Tags limit one is all he is saying. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by raphieMontella: 11:57pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
johnydon22:i never knew a two line sentence can be so hard for people to grasp. 1 Like |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by johnydon22(m): 11:58pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
Deicide: Yes there is... and that is the bolded.. Based on my Definition - No Physical plain no universe... I do remember defining nature as the totality of the physical plain, so it beats me how you came up with the bolded.. |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by johnydon22(m): 12:06am On Nov 09, 2016 |
raphieMontella:Beats me bro |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Nobody: 12:24am On Nov 09, 2016 |
@vickyrotex, you've been viewing this thread since it's inception. Are you having doubts about your beliefs? If you are, then it's a good sign. The bible and christianity are the biggest scams that have ever existed, because they have been used to successfully deceive more than a quater of the world's population, and everyone deserves to be free from such deceit. Of course christianity has it's benefits, but it's benefits doesn't prove it's veracity. Take for instance your boyfriend lies to you that he has gotten a job where he would be paid 6 billion naira per year, and he is to start in 6 months time. This kind of news would make you happy. It would add joy and peace and excitement to your life. You could even spend your money on things you wouldn't normally spend, just because you believe you boyfriend has gotten a job of such calibre. But this is deceit, and you'd prefer to not be lied to. That's the same way christianity is. It's a grand deceit. 1 Like |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Deicide: 12:35am On Nov 09, 2016 |
johnydon22:I think i Get your point now.. 1 Like |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Deicide: 12:38am On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:Still assuming ? This is really bad Habit for communication if You continue like this i won't even reply you back.. |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Redlyn: 1:17am On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: What is this logic? It's just an understandable position. Doesn't mean it's the only one. I don't argue with Deists either. It certainly doesn't seem like anything is interfering with the laws of nature as far as we Deists and atheists can see. Where we differ is that they say someone must have jump started all this nature while I refuse to jump to conclusions. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by shadeyinka(m): 3:00am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Didn't I tell you that Atheism is complex, different shades of it exists. Now here we have a spiritual Atheist, who believes in chakra, third eye, supernatural etc his only problem is with Jehovah God. Ogun, Shiva, Thor, Zeus, Oya could exist but not God. SMH You would have disputed for hours with them only for the so called atheist to tell you that he is a spiritual atheist or an agnostic atheist or a half atheist to get out of the loop and entanglement his theories have roped him. I have met guys who doubles as atheist and satanist at the same time. The god of this world does not mind division among his own as long as it leads them away from the true God. Cc: winner01 , kingebukasblog ,scholar8200 Muafrika2 truthman2012, Image123 , OLAADEGBU ,, goodmuyis 4everGod, Jcross , jcross19, KingEbukasBlog, Scholar, scholar8200 , @ analice107, @ 4everGod, Anas09 1 Like |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Slikbae: 3:28am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Now you just did the same thing you accused atheists of. How do you know God doesn't exist? You believe that ghosts exists but not God? That's a worse delusion. Atheists are better of. GrizzlyBear: 1 Like |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by ifenes(m): 3:38am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Atheistic view of God is as a result of misunderstanding of the term God. Religion have presented a wrong idea of God,therefore Atheism is a way rejecting these claims. A sound education on what God is still unavailable to both parties,hence the continuous fight and endless debates. I don't go by the term Atheist anymore,I simply say I am non-religious. I have debated a few Atheists who are short -sighted and it was really painful to see someone argue blindly. Many of them live in a 2 dimensional world,they can't explain simple theories,yet they will accept no new knowledge. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Slikbae: 4:50am On Nov 09, 2016 |
This dude is basically worse than atheists and on a whole new level of ignorant too. Pick a struggle. Outrightly refusing to accept the possibility that God exists but believing that "something" is out there in the universe? What is out there and how do you know sir? Also prove that spirits and ghosts exists. Deicide: 1 Like |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by LaClicKLaBenDin(m): 6:11am On Nov 09, 2016 |
GrizzlyBear: The bolded sums it up. Science is still a growing field that hardly answers every question, that hardly provides cure for many diseases: a field that is still in the journey of new discoveries. |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by akintom(m): 6:31am On Nov 09, 2016 |
GrizzlyBear: From all your writings, it's obvious that your aggression is a misplaced one. Your mental unrest stems from you not wanting to be seen as an atheist, and it appears you don't yet know which group of the nones you want to align it. From the analysis of your opinions so far, you're an AGNOSTIST, period! Do explore this your identity, you will get rest. Rather than attacking atheism wrongly. May be your understanding of "Rational Atheism", will help you. |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by wiegraf: 6:45am On Nov 09, 2016 |
GrizzlyBear: Technically speaking, you're an atheist. That's all that really matters. Subjectively, I wouldn't regard you as one as you seem to believe in a lot of nonsense just because What's the difference between believing in supernatural ghosts vs believing in supernatural god? Nothing Therefore, I see little difference between you and the average theist. Heck, I even think quite a few would be more consistent and logical than you 1 Like |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Anas09: 8:50am On Nov 09, 2016 |
shadeyinka:When i read "From Witchcraft to Christ", by Doren Irvin, was when i knew that there's nothing like atheism. Its just a ploy of satan to deceive the uninformed. In Satanism, she said, they have Arms, Atheism is an arm in Satanism. (All this NL little boys athiest are like street urchins. They know nothing). Their job is to sell the idea that Satan does not exist. If Men believes that Satan does not exist, it will be easier to also say, theres no God. This is the duty of atheism When an initiate comes in, base on your strong point, they shift you to a section where you'd function well. She was sent to the Witchcraft arm, because he could get into people easily and he could manipulate and have her way. She had powers to cast spells, so, she did well there. Athiesm is Satans own religion. Why does it take so long for people to get it? Atheism is the rejection of an external being, but the projection of SELF. IS that not who satan is? Is that not how he got Adam to Fall. Atheism began in Eden. Deny God, for you are God yourself. You don't need Jehoavh coming down here, dictating to you as if you don't have a mind of you own, he said to Adam. Be wise and be a man of your own devices. Break free and think freely. If you are your own Master, you'd be free. No axcounatbility. What you deem right, will be right, and what you seem wrong be wrong. You make your own laws. That was satan. Arent we seeing the same thing playing out in atheists even as minute as NL kids atheists? Today, wen u believe in God, atheists look at you as brain dead, u can't think for youraelf. Isnt that what satan said to Adam in Eden? Atheism is Satans own religion. Okay, let's carry out this test. Bros open a thread castigating Lucider. Do this and wait for athiest come at you with loaded guns. Here in NL have u ever seen any atheist open a thread casting aspasions on allah or Buddha or Zeus, thor, Odin or any African diety? No. Why are they sooo incenced agaisnt Yahweh? Something is there. 3 Likes |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by rhektor(m): 9:09am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Anas09: GOD bless you brother, I have always maintain that Atheism is formulated, organized and established against Christians, as if we the only theist |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Anas09: 10:29am On Nov 09, 2016 |
rhektor:The greatest trick played on mans intellect is to make him belive satan does not exists. Satans best keep secret is disguise. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Deicide: 10:49am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Anas09:Exactly... The same way the Muslims Think you Christians are Been Blinded by the Devil... |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Diplomaticbeing(m): 10:59am On Nov 09, 2016 |
@OP Someone like you is not independent mined (conscientious) and from all indications you're yet to achieve self-realization, this explained the reason why you lacked understanding prior to now that atheists are a group of people who chooses to gloss their ignorance about the source of all (God, Creator of the universe, Allah or whatever name that suits one to call it) with illusory proclamation of its non-existence. But I don't normally blame them much, because Abrahamic religions proponents and their so called holy books are all any discerning but non conscientious and thoroughly informed mind need to interact with or read to automatically reject a sole creator of the universe. There's a God. Meanwhile, we human beings are imperfect manifestation of a perfect him. He has no rival, so the notion of a possible another supernatural rival force doesn't exist. Evil happenstances which are usually ascribes to satan or devil are products of human beings choices of bad over good, because God gave us human beings the great gifts of free will and brain. And he provided to us, all we need to live and succeed independent of his minute intervention. So he neither need our praises nor expects our prayers. To reverent him by any person is better independently decided. . . As for me, I choose to reverent him by doing good to people within my ability, while always striving to limit bad deeds against others. If you have a need instead of praying, kindly lookout for a human being that has solution to such a need you have and get help. The only problem you will encounter is when you have nothing to offer as a reciprocation for what you intend to gain from another. The importance for this simply analogy is to tell you that you need to start accepting responsibility of your actions and inaction. Make yourself useful, so that you can become an asset which can be useful to other assets too and vise versa. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by hopefulLandlord: 11:03am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Deicide: the Christians seem elated by this thread do they think this thread does them any favours? its hilarious 2 Likes |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by Deicide: 11:11am On Nov 09, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:I think Most didn't Even read The OP... And besides the Op is Confused.. |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by akintom(m): 1:06pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
shadeyinka: The difficulty the OP is having in arriving, at a convincing mental adjustment to the concept of God idea, can't possibly be a sufficient ground for you, to wrongly define rational atheism. And of course, you have either mischievously or ignorantly stumbled, where the OP did stumbled. Note the following: 1. Your God says in Bible, don't make images of me. Yet Catholic Church not only make images of Jesus and Mary, they worship the same images. 2. Cherubim and celestial churches practice polygamy, yet pentecostal says monogamy is the order. 3. Pentecostal churches says Christians are not under the law, yet they practice tithing and first fruit offering. 4. Jéhovah witnesses will never endorse marriage between their members and Rccg members. Yet your Bible says all of you are one in christ. 5. Deeper life Church will say you are going to hell because you wear ornaments, yet winners, Rccg etc says deeper is lying. Where is your true God or jehovah, in the midst of all these fractionalization and factional disposition of you religious folks? The absurdities of religion and God idea is unlimited. You will do well to understand the concept and ideological basis of "rational atheism". |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by jcross19: 1:32pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
akintom:that's we have doctrines in christiandom but one thing old us together. |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by akintom(m): 2:39pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
jcross19: And what could that possibly be? |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by shadeyinka(m): 2:47pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
akintom: Will you please then educate me as what is meant by rational atheism? I think the issue I've raised is more deeper than what you just presented. The issue is like a theist Christian, Muslim, Animist Claiming that God exists BUT spirits do not exist. The central core of Theism is the believe that spirits exist. In the OPs case, it is unthinkable to believe that God doesn't exist (or as some other atheist will say: they do not believe in Gods) and yet acclaim that spirits exist. The average atheist does not believe in existence of consciousness outside the material world which negates the concept of spiritism. Their lies my point of discuss. 1 Like |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by jcross19: 2:52pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
akintom:the death and resurrection of jesus christ. |
Re: I Am No Longer Identifying As An Atheist. by akintom(m): 3:14pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
shadeyinka: I have settled the difficulty OP is contending with. My issue with your response is that, you used the errors (atheist believing in spirit) of the OP, to wrongly define who an atheist is. A Google check on "rational atheism", will guide you on understanding the concept and ideologies of atheism. |
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